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On May 15 2013 08:51 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2013 06:01 VayneAuthority wrote:
what are the chances of there being a fool in this game with so many self voters? or is that just a thing on this forum? This is actually a surprisingly good point. While it is rare for us to use the role (we usually call it a Jester) this is an Ace themed game and there could be a guy present who wins by being lynched. Since we don't know that to be the case though I think we have to play as though it isn't fact. Putting a guy who wants to be lynched into a game where no one knows he exists is pretty shitty. Its easy to get lynched. Even if there is a jester in the game it will be of the win alone but game continues type, not the game over jester wins type. Oh, I see Hiro said this. Bah. Fuck I think its likely that OO is scum and want him lynched for that. Everyone stop with this policy crap though. Either vote OO because you think he is likely to flip scum or do not vote OO. There is not a third option. OO, finding yourself in endgame with Grush and anyone is a townie dream come true. You know with 100% certainty who the last scum is and you only have to convince Grush. Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with you? If I thought this was your town play we'd be having words later. VE, you around? I want someone to talk to whose opinions are worth something. And what I said about Vayne still holds true ongoing game blah blah but it'll be done in under 24 hours. Why do you think you can push his lynch through today when I have already told you that I oppose it? Vayne, I have both a meta and currentgame town read on prplhz. Your arguments have done nothing to convince me of his guilt and his responses to you make him more townie. Change your vote to someone who might actually flip scum. prp and SnB, I rather like your respective cases on Hiro and Oats. prp: I don't have the history with Hiro to back it up though, Rockband is one of the few games played since I joined the forum which I didn't read. Could you elaborate on the connections you see between Hiro here and scumHiro there? Your gut read doesn't help me because I don't share it. SnB: why is it that you disagree with the town tell I have brought up about Oats? How much have you played with him before? The kid is a bit all over the place, though I love him he ccan be an idiot and the 180s and calling out his own scumminess are both present in his town games as well as his scum games.
only person id be even remotely down to lynch on the current list is Hiro and I dont see that happening anytime soon. And before you ask why I have no reason since frankly I dont like any of these wagons, including my own. Seems like mafia has a lot of control over this game as of now.
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On May 15 2013 09:03 Promethelax wrote:
but I'm not talking about his activity, its about his scum hunting methods here compared to his ongoing game in which his alignment is [REDACTED] I believe a comparison of his methods here and there suggest that he is town here. I can't say if I think he is matching his town methods or not matching his scum methods due to ongoing game but I think it is worth looking at that ongoing game and thinking about what he has shown in both games, the similarities and the differences.
Now, if you insist on lynching a town read day one I think Vayne is one of the least helpful of them all and wouldn't be terribly sad to see him die however I'd still much rather watch scum swing. I really think that OO is a better lynch based on my early points and also his fucking martyring (which is more of a policy than a scum tell, to be fair). And, if you insist on lynching a town read I'd rather you did something straight stupid like lynch WoS for information or something where I could understand the theory behind it even while yelling at you that you are dumb.
What I'm saying is Vayne is 1. probably town and 2. kinda dumb. Also 3. I wouldn't even find it funny if he got lynched, just pathetic. I get that you hate his playstyle; join the club. But, as Mafia Scum dot net has taught me, having a terrible playstyle doesn't mean you are scum it just means that you are bad.
and posts like this irritate me. If you guys are just gonna circlejerk all day and call me bad when frankly I have way more years of experience than most here then just fuckin' kill me already because its obnoxious as hell. A playstyle difference doesnt make you guys any better so stop jerking eachother off and get to the point.
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On May 15 2013 09:06 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2013 09:03 Promethelax wrote:
but I'm not talking about his activity, its about his scum hunting methods here compared to his ongoing game in which his alignment is [REDACTED] I believe a comparison of his methods here and there suggest that he is town here. I can't say if I think he is matching his town methods or not matching his scum methods due to ongoing game but I think it is worth looking at that ongoing game and thinking about what he has shown in both games, the similarities and the differences.
Now, if you insist on lynching a town read day one I think Vayne is one of the least helpful of them all and wouldn't be terribly sad to see him die however I'd still much rather watch scum swing. I really think that OO is a better lynch based on my early points and also his fucking martyring (which is more of a policy than a scum tell, to be fair). And, if you insist on lynching a town read I'd rather you did something straight stupid like lynch WoS for information or something where I could understand the theory behind it even while yelling at you that you are dumb.
What I'm saying is Vayne is 1. probably town and 2. kinda dumb. Also 3. I wouldn't even find it funny if he got lynched, just pathetic. I get that you hate his playstyle; join the club. But, as Mafia Scum dot net has taught me, having a terrible playstyle doesn't mean you are scum it just means that you are bad. and posts like this irritate me. If you guys are just gonna circlejerk all day and call me bad when frankly I have way more years of experience than most here then just fuckin' kill me already because its obnoxious as hell. A playstyle difference doesnt make you guys any better so stop jerking eachother off and get to the point.
Whoa there tiger this is the guy defending you. Have some fucking faith sir.
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Did I ever call you bad Vayne? Did I? Did I even once?
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On May 15 2013 09:07 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2013 09:06 VayneAuthority wrote:On May 15 2013 09:03 Promethelax wrote:
but I'm not talking about his activity, its about his scum hunting methods here compared to his ongoing game in which his alignment is [REDACTED] I believe a comparison of his methods here and there suggest that he is town here. I can't say if I think he is matching his town methods or not matching his scum methods due to ongoing game but I think it is worth looking at that ongoing game and thinking about what he has shown in both games, the similarities and the differences.
Now, if you insist on lynching a town read day one I think Vayne is one of the least helpful of them all and wouldn't be terribly sad to see him die however I'd still much rather watch scum swing. I really think that OO is a better lynch based on my early points and also his fucking martyring (which is more of a policy than a scum tell, to be fair). And, if you insist on lynching a town read I'd rather you did something straight stupid like lynch WoS for information or something where I could understand the theory behind it even while yelling at you that you are dumb.
What I'm saying is Vayne is 1. probably town and 2. kinda dumb. Also 3. I wouldn't even find it funny if he got lynched, just pathetic. I get that you hate his playstyle; join the club. But, as Mafia Scum dot net has taught me, having a terrible playstyle doesn't mean you are scum it just means that you are bad. and posts like this irritate me. If you guys are just gonna circlejerk all day and call me bad when frankly I have way more years of experience than most here then just fuckin' kill me already because its obnoxious as hell. A playstyle difference doesnt make you guys any better so stop jerking eachother off and get to the point. Whoa there tiger this is the guy defending you. Have some fucking faith sir.
I dont care what hes doing, there's only so many posts blatantly belittling me that im gonna let slide. Its completely worthless to the discussion of the game and adds nothing
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Kinda case thing on OO (fuck you VE, I hate writing cases):
1. Early defensiveness brought up by DP (not a thing I think is a huge tell but it is different from his usual town game)
2. Eagerly explains a reason for the nightkill which no one had thought of in thread previously (I think this is a strong tell, others clearly disagree with me, Chaoser in particular)
3. Martyring and promises for future contribution at the same time (Martyring is policy lynch. Martyrig while saying "if you leave me alive I'll be useful I promise" is a scum tell since he is begging to be left alive his martyring is false. False martyring comes from scum).
My only major problem with my lynch on him is actually the wagon which has formed behind me. Hiro's vote felt eh and Rayn's only felt a little better. BH is only there for policy. The discussion has all been around WoS/Oats and I was waiting for him to come back to the thread for me to really push him since pushing afk players is both boring and somewhat useless. We have four hours though, lets discuss him now.
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On May 15 2013 09:06 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2013 09:03 Promethelax wrote:
but I'm not talking about his activity, its about his scum hunting methods here compared to his ongoing game in which his alignment is [REDACTED] I believe a comparison of his methods here and there suggest that he is town here. I can't say if I think he is matching his town methods or not matching his scum methods due to ongoing game but I think it is worth looking at that ongoing game and thinking about what he has shown in both games, the similarities and the differences.
Now, if you insist on lynching a town read day one I think Vayne is one of the least helpful of them all and wouldn't be terribly sad to see him die however I'd still much rather watch scum swing. I really think that OO is a better lynch based on my early points and also his fucking martyring (which is more of a policy than a scum tell, to be fair). And, if you insist on lynching a town read I'd rather you did something straight stupid like lynch WoS for information or something where I could understand the theory behind it even while yelling at you that you are dumb.
What I'm saying is Vayne is 1. probably town and 2. kinda dumb. Also 3. I wouldn't even find it funny if he got lynched, just pathetic. I get that you hate his playstyle; join the club. But, as Mafia Scum dot net has taught me, having a terrible playstyle doesn't mean you are scum it just means that you are bad. and posts like this irritate me. If you guys are just gonna circlejerk all day and call me bad when frankly I have way more years of experience than most here then just fuckin' kill me already because its obnoxious as hell. A playstyle difference doesnt make you guys any better so stop jerking eachother off and get to the point.
Look bud, you want to talk experience go ahead but you are self admittedly bad while in my most recent game I pushed a day one scum lynch and manged to fight the entire thread into lynching said scum after reversing my tunnel on a townie which had almost lead to said townie getting lynched. I'm better than you. Get over it.
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On May 15 2013 09:12 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2013 09:06 VayneAuthority wrote:On May 15 2013 09:03 Promethelax wrote:
but I'm not talking about his activity, its about his scum hunting methods here compared to his ongoing game in which his alignment is [REDACTED] I believe a comparison of his methods here and there suggest that he is town here. I can't say if I think he is matching his town methods or not matching his scum methods due to ongoing game but I think it is worth looking at that ongoing game and thinking about what he has shown in both games, the similarities and the differences.
Now, if you insist on lynching a town read day one I think Vayne is one of the least helpful of them all and wouldn't be terribly sad to see him die however I'd still much rather watch scum swing. I really think that OO is a better lynch based on my early points and also his fucking martyring (which is more of a policy than a scum tell, to be fair). And, if you insist on lynching a town read I'd rather you did something straight stupid like lynch WoS for information or something where I could understand the theory behind it even while yelling at you that you are dumb.
What I'm saying is Vayne is 1. probably town and 2. kinda dumb. Also 3. I wouldn't even find it funny if he got lynched, just pathetic. I get that you hate his playstyle; join the club. But, as Mafia Scum dot net has taught me, having a terrible playstyle doesn't mean you are scum it just means that you are bad. and posts like this irritate me. If you guys are just gonna circlejerk all day and call me bad when frankly I have way more years of experience than most here then just fuckin' kill me already because its obnoxious as hell. A playstyle difference doesnt make you guys any better so stop jerking eachother off and get to the point. Look bud, you want to talk experience go ahead but you are self admittedly bad while in my most recent game I pushed a day one scum lynch and manged to fight the entire thread into lynching said scum after reversing my tunnel on a townie which had almost lead to said townie getting lynched. I'm better than you. Get over it.
haha you are a fucking headcase. The only thing your better than me at is having a massive ego on top of that pimply face of yours. Get a fucking life if you need to belittle others over the internet.
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Its like you want me to hate you.
Look, you may have been playing mafia for longer than me. Congratulations? You've probably been masturbating for longer than me too, that doesn't make you better at it.
What I am telling you is I have a history of catching scum and getting night killed. If you can say the same about yourself, fine I'll retract my comment about you being bad. If you want to talk about this post game when we can all be friends again I'll apologize. For now my analysis on you comes from my understanding of your play, if you are way better than I think you are please inform me of that and prove it by giving me some examples from your recent games.
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I don't give a shit about how good I am at this game you just don't understand. I have the right to call myself bad If I want, you have no right to just come in and belittle people, in fact its in the rules basically; dont be a dick.
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yeah, I'm done talking to Vayne.
VE you still around? I wanna talk to someone who doesn't make me want to punch myself in the face.
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OO? I'm down. I think he's town. He's right, his scum game is pretty straightforward. Marv was able to catch him when he was half a hydra with me. Granted, this only serves to strengthen YOUR point (you think you have him nailed) but I'm talking about from my perspective here.
Like, here's the backbone of my read of him.
On May 14 2013 02:10 ObviousOne wrote:
Rayn, Hiro, Oats all potentially good lynches today
I know Rayn is a smart guy having just played with him. He and I shared some common threads of thought and generally didn't get in each other's way. His N0 here looks a lot like thread sentiment mirroring; town Rayn was much more interrogative and this Rayn is more accusatory.
Hiro dropped the bomb that I smell bad and then disappeared once getting that concept embedded into the thread. Needs to be looked into today. Also, somehow he has the opinion that mechanics are going to help us more than reason (early game, implied not explicitly stated) if we are smart about them. Please expound upon this idea because I don't get how one set of night actions is going to help when half of the players are barely here, including yourself.
Oats I need to read but I am getting a little bit of deja vu going after him so early. Of the two candidates last game, Oats ended up basically making people resent the level of crazy he brings to the game. I'm actually not sure how to detect a scum Oats specifically so I will have to check out his scum games today.
@Prom nothing to tear down about you, very clear to me you are likely town based on this morning.
This is the kind of post I expect to see from a town OO. A scum OO wouldn't be going on about posting styles re: rayn imo - and rayn is something of a hard-target if you think about it because he's received some notoriety recently for being a decent townie. I would expect a scum OO to wait to see if there's any kind of thread sentiment for voting rayn and come up with some bullshit reason to just do it rather than explore options.
I can totally relate to what he says about Oats - I have a hard time reading the guy myself, but I will say that he knows how to look townie when he wants to and I'm not seeing much of that this game. However for myself I think he's active enough to be a bad lynch, so I disagree with his conclusion.
His suspicion of Hiro I think is just fine - dude has been relatively absent and frankly if I didn't feel so strongly about Vayne and think I had a better case, I would be on Hiro myself.
I can't see a scum OO making this post...it's too much like him trying to figure out the game - OO isn't really skilled enough (no offense sir, just an observation) to fake something like that imo.
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On May 15 2013 09:23 Promethelax wrote:
yeah, I'm done talking to Vayne.
VE you still around? I wanna talk to someone who doesn't make me want to punch myself in the face.
glad to see your still an immature piece of shit, guess your balls have to drop first
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On May 15 2013 09:25 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2013 09:23 Promethelax wrote:
yeah, I'm done talking to Vayne.
VE you still around? I wanna talk to someone who doesn't make me want to punch myself in the face. glad to see your still an immature piece of shit, guess your balls have to drop first
I hope you appreciate the irony of this statement.
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So what town motivations do you see in his martyring and asking to be kept alive? The hypocrisy is strong with this one. I don't believe I have ever seen a townie do that.
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On May 15 2013 09:26 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2013 09:25 VayneAuthority wrote:On May 15 2013 09:23 Promethelax wrote:
yeah, I'm done talking to Vayne.
VE you still around? I wanna talk to someone who doesn't make me want to punch myself in the face. glad to see your still an immature piece of shit, guess your balls have to drop first I hope you appreciate the irony of this statement.
zero irony since I haven't initiated anything. get his undropped balls out of your mouth.
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On May 15 2013 09:26 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2013 09:25 VayneAuthority wrote:On May 15 2013 09:23 Promethelax wrote:
yeah, I'm done talking to Vayne.
VE you still around? I wanna talk to someone who doesn't make me want to punch myself in the face. glad to see your still an immature piece of shit, guess your balls have to drop first I hope you appreciate the irony of this statement.
VE, hold me, I'm laughing too hard.
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On May 15 2013 09:26 Promethelax wrote:
So what town motivations do you see in his martyring and asking to be kept alive? The hypocrisy is strong with this one. I don't believe I have ever seen a townie do that.
Well you clearly haven't read as many games of mine than your love of me would have me believe.
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