I have no idea what it means. I still wonder why BH just dropped his "pressure OO if i die on N0" stuff, and hasn't brought up OO since then. I'm especially concerned about this as i think you (WoS) are town and if people lynch you BH gets a "fresh" start with no contributions towards anyone.

So BH, why did you completely drop your suspicions on OO?

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

May 14 2013 20:05 GMT

#797

On May 15 2013 04:57 Blazinghand wrote:
cause wos prio one IMO

OO was small info hunch

WoS high prio case

What do you mean by small info hunch? If you are town and was hit on N0, why try to lead town into lynching OO if you are not even sure of your read on him?

On May 15 2013 04:59 WaveofShadow wrote:

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How does he get a fresh start? When I flip town (whenever that may be) BH is pretty fucked for tunneling the everloving shit out of me. At least I'd like to think so but I'm sure he could find a way out of it somehow.. I AM curious though that upon BH's '10' on a 1-10 scale of me being scum that Vivax goes and shoots him a warning that '10 is pretty serious bro' but then goes ahead and sheeps without a second thought. I'm not sure I follow the mentality that you can sheep someone 100% without any doubt whatsoever while at the same time considering what it means if BH is wrong with his self-professed '10.'

BEcause a lot of people are suspicious of you. If you get lynched and flip town that does not make BH any more scummy than any other people who voted for you (based on votes). He could argue "look, nearly everyone thought WoS was scummy, i pushed my scumread bla bla". How are you supposed to argue against that? That's why i want him to adress other people as well, and give his thoughts about them, not some dunks and one liners.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

May 14 2013 20:41 GMT

#823

Okay, i really need to go to bed. I suggest you do not lynch WoS, but get your votes on OO/Oats, preferrably on OO.

Oats needs to explain his weird difference on his reads on prpl/chaoser, and the explanation is better to be good. On top of that, his read on me:

raynpelikoneet: So many defences after his push on DP and DP got killed. He keeps hopping around from me to OO to shiro to other dudes. He hasnt put in any effort to get me lynched, find out my alignment it seems. It looks like im his strongest scum read, but he goes on to ask other people questions without posing me any. Leaning scum.

Bullshit, i make conclusions about my questions, if they are not in thread the second you want them to be there doesn't mean they do not exist. I have also never said Oats is my top scumread.

VE failed to answer this:

On May 15 2013 03:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:

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Especially his reasoning for his read on me, chaoser and prpl.

He started the conversation by saying Oats' list is "interesting" (which says nothing), and when i asked him about it, he didn't seem to care to discuss it further (he answered BH about something later, but not me).

Those are my top 3 for scum atm.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

May 15 2013 06:09 GMT

#1080

Oats, if OO is town and the votestealer is scum, why is the anon vote on someone else and didn't hammer OO?

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

May 15 2013 08:51 GMT

#1099

Oats, you said in your reads that you are town because you got your vote stolen. Now you say you think the votestealer is town. How the fuck does that make you town? If i was town votestealer i would want to steal a mafia vote. If i was mafia votestealer i would probably steal my teammates vote as there are no downsides doing that on N0, it just adds confusion to town. You are not being clear here.

Vivax, WoS was mainly pushed by BH, other people pretty much sheeped him. I do not think BH is necessarily town, i think WoS is town, that's why it's possible that the lynch was scum driven imo.

OO, i understand you better. I also think both of you/Oats are not likely scum, and atm Oats looks way worse. I think it's possible that the votestealer is town and that's why you were not hammered.

I also think VE is scum. Kush looks really bad too. I'll be posting a full list of reads before the day starts.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

May 15 2013 09:09 GMT

#1103

OO, i think you are right about s&b's points being bad, besides the scumslip stuff as that was him plain out twisting my words. However i remember s&b making a bad case early on in Red, so i'm not sure if this makes him scum.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

May 15 2013 09:10 GMT

#1104

EBWOP: I meant to say Oats was twisting my words, not s&b.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

May 15 2013 09:25 GMT

#1106

OO, i'll do that tonight, posting from my phone and it's hard to quote posts this way.

shirokami, do you still think i'm scum? You need to give me reasons for that if you do. You have a couple of town tells in your posts so far, but your stance on me is weird. You seem to think i'm scum regardless of WoS' alignment but still don't want to push my lynch or give reasons why i am scum. What are you afraid of?

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

May 15 2013 14:36 GMT

#1109

Oats, somebody asked me if i thought if DP faked his role-name, i specifically asked "why are you so sure wall street investor is a town role?". I don't understand how you can, from that, form a conclusion that i was saying DP is a mafia self-aware miller.

rofl..

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

May 15 2013 21:56 GMT

#1144

I'm too tired to write anything big now. I just got "home" and need to sleep. Protect Prome/Sloosh. I don't care if VE/chaoser/BH die, even if they are town, as VE is probably scum, chaoser has disappeared since his questions for me, and BH is being useless besides his push on WoS.

Lynch Oats/VE/Kush tomorrow if nothing changes. For Oats, read my and his filter, you should see why. For VE, his vote was bullshit on a person that would never get lynched and the push was really weak. He also calls Oats' list "interesting" but does not contribute to it after, even when asked. Kush is really really bad, but not in a normal townie kush way. Anyone who has played a game with him should noticve this.

shiro/Vivax are odd, keep an eye on them. I don't like Vivax sheeping BH and then saying "I pushed WoS lynch". Vivax also can't possibly have a town read on shiro based on his contributions because that dude is a sneaky bitch sometimes. I am the only one who can really read shiro based on his contributions so far, and i am starting to doubt my read on him. He would never try to lynch me if he was scum (as i would get him lynched before), and it seems like he is trying to cast suspicion on me as some strong players are suspicious of me without doing shit about it. When i ask for reasons he is just joking about it. Other than that shiro just plain out sheeps BH. There is no way he can have a town read on BH, or if he does, he needs to explain it. Also if in any case shiro flips mafia, look at his D1 contributions. He is hesitant to buss or even talk about his teammates unless asked, that would mean all his suspects from D1 are 100% town.

That's all i got for you guys now. I'm really just too tired to make big posts now..