yes I stopped trying because I thought the game was solved. I thought the game was solved because I thought the scumteam was balanced.
There should be some transparency in how the teams are created. like host should say in the OP if teams are going to be completely random or fucked with.

@VE ok enjoy your next scumgame that I'm in. because I now have a tell on your scumplay that has remained consistent and exclusive to your past 5 scumgames (the only ones I've looked at). It is simple and it is distinctive and I will catch you within your first 20 posts. future gg

Ace

United States16096 Posts

May 24 2013 23:55 GMT

#2242

Town had lots of weak roles that couldn't just dominate except the Vigilante. Some of them required actual thought but I guess the role PMs were too complex. In some cases players were just lazy and didn't read it or send in actions.

Scum had roles that were just bleh on their own but powerful if they manipulated situations to their benefit. All of them except the Hammerer role were good together. Hammerer was the most powerful one by itself but didn't get used. Captain role also let them know 2 of the Town PRs ahead of time.

Ace

United States16096 Posts

May 24 2013 23:57 GMT

#2243

On May 25 2013 08:52 prplhz wrote:
i really liked scum single kp

a lot of games this size will be scum 2kp and then drop when scum gets lynched but that just makes for snowballing games, scum will be powerful for longer if town can't kill them and scum will get nerfed if town manages to kill them, and that's not too cool

funny enough almost all my games go to LYLO

(Death Factory and World at War are clear exceptions)

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

May 24 2013 23:59 GMT

#2244

On May 25 2013 08:54 kushm4sta wrote:
yes I stopped trying because I thought the game was solved. I thought the game was solved because I thought the scumteam was balanced.
There should be some transparency in how the teams are created. like host should say in the OP if teams are going to be completely random or fucked with.

@VE ok enjoy your next scumgame that I'm in. because I now have a tell on your scumplay that has remained consistent and exclusive to your past 5 scumgames (the only ones I've looked at). It is simple and it is distinctive and I will catch you within your first 20 posts. future gg

You just don't get it. How the hosts balance teams means NOTHING kush. NOTHING. It DOESN'T MATTER whether the teams are balanced because he told you HOW MANY scum there were and the thread was full of POSTS by SCUM MEMBERS.

Who cares if Ace/VE/BC/marvellosity/L is the scumteam? They've still got to post to avoid modkill right? They've still got to explain why they're still alive at LYLO. They've STILL got to try and scumhunt. Whether Ace balances the game or not has NOTHING TO DO with your ability to find and eliminate scum. No amount of transparency about how the teams are formed IS GOING TO MAKE YOU READ THE FUCKING GAME KUSH.

prplhz

Denmark8045 Posts

May 25 2013 00:01 GMT

#2245

guys it's just a game

420 blaze it

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

May 25 2013 00:02 GMT

#2246

OH I BLAZE IT

kushm4sta

United States8878 Posts

May 25 2013 00:03 GMT

#2247

i blaze it so much more than both of you dont even go there

kitaman27

United States9245 Posts

May 25 2013 00:03 GMT

#2248

On May 25 2013 08:59 VisceraEyes wrote:
Who cares if Ace/VE/BC/marvellosity/L is the scumteam?

lol VE includes himself in the list. How cute.

prplhz

Denmark8045 Posts

May 25 2013 00:03 GMT

#2249

you can just PM the host and ask, i'm pretty sure most hosts don't balance their teams unless they're very imbalanced (Ace+Sandroba+EchelonTee v first gamers).

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

May 25 2013 00:06 GMT

#2250

On May 25 2013 09:03 kitaman27 wrote:

Show nested quote +

lol VE includes himself in the list. How cute.

Ace

United States16096 Posts

May 25 2013 00:07 GMT

#2251

Also I don't even know the relative skill levels of all the people in the game. What you may think is someone making the Scum team unbalanced, I may just view as "oh ok, this is going to work". It's not like the Town didn't have players that would have helped or moments of brilliance. You chose to ignore it. The Promethelax lynch was a gift platter that you still can't seem to figure out. Go back and re-read what happened there.

prplhz

Denmark8045 Posts

May 25 2013 00:11 GMT

#2252

my plan this game was to do absolutely nothing because then i might have outed my team (who actually knew how to play scum and put in a ton of effort) and i think it worked pretty well

prplhz

Denmark8045 Posts

May 25 2013 00:11 GMT

#2253

thanks for game notes Ace, just finished reading them

kushm4sta

United States8878 Posts

May 25 2013 00:13 GMT

#2254

i would rather drown to death than reread this game

Ace

United States16096 Posts

May 25 2013 00:16 GMT

#2255

and thats why you lost.

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

May 25 2013 00:18 GMT

#2256

On May 25 2013 09:16 Ace wrote:
and thats why you lost.

And incidentally why you're probably at your skill ceiling. Just saying.

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

May 25 2013 00:23 GMT

#2257

Like, why? WHY PLAY if you don't want to read? It's the most fundamental part of this game. Did you read Ace's thoughts Kush? If so, are you really still arguing about why you lost? If not, then seriously why do you play this game?

For the record Kush I don't think you're a bad player by any stretch...you're MUCH Better than you were when you started and I think you have potential to be better still...but if you don't like to/want to read games you're a part of then what's the point?

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

May 25 2013 00:52 GMT

#2258

Out of curiosity, why didn't DI end the game? As far as I could tell SnB's math was right, did DI just not want to take our word for it?

HiroPro

United States2624 Posts

May 25 2013 00:52 GMT

#2259

gg. Thanks for the thoughts Ace and to all of the hosts.

WaveofShadow

Canada31494 Posts

May 25 2013 01:02 GMT

#2260

GG all!
I wish I had PMed Ace regarding my role, I thought I understood it but apparently it allowed for a double lynch!! (Not that I would have been ballsy enough to use it, but I dunno)
I should have used that shit on BH like D1.