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Spicydinosaur
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Spicydinosaur
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Spicydinosaur
United States382 Posts
On May 10 2013 06:35 calgar wrote: @spicy I'd like to hear your thoughts as well as hydra's before N2 ends because I've liked your play more than most of the other players so far. You've pointed at casey and targe as scummy - do you still feel the same? I get a town read from hydra. He jumped right in, didnt waste time and started analyzing the other players, starting with me. He gave his opinions and asked a lot of questions. He could have just said some bs intro of himself but instead went right at it. Targe is still at the top of my scum list. Nothing he has said has changed anything. Since D2 was so disastrous we never really got any new info. This will probably change with the incoming mod kills. I feel Vayne is playing the long game and not giving out too much information to keep himself under the radar. But then after D2, the whole game basically feel to shit so there wasn't much to say. About casey, I'm not as sure about him as I am Targe, but he's been saying things that sound pretty scummy. He says this: On May 09 2013 08:45 eSpi.Casey wrote: Sorry i havent been able to check in the thread again before now, i will be here for atleast 1 more hour checking in on the thread now and then, il try to be here up until night but i cant promise i manage that yet. So where do we stand now ? Targe is set to be lynched at the moment, can everyone who have voted speak out if this is their final vote or is anyone of you open to change ? Let`s make this clear now so we dont have a situation like D1. My vote is on Jrkirby, i am open to change for Shiromaki, since he seems just as scum as Jrkirby now. @Shiromaki : Why havent you replied to my post to you ? And where is your ``catching up when you got of from the bar`` Give me an good answear before the Lynch to make me change my mind about you. Il now do the filter reading of Targe&Vayne wich i wanted to do earlier today but i diddent get time, so il try have an better opinion about them aswell before Night. Then he writes this: On May 09 2013 10:27 eSpi.Casey wrote: I dont have time to put any good read`s on Vayne&Targe now, iv read trough their filter`s one time, but i need more time to make up my mind, for now Jrkirby and Shiro are my scumread`s. And again you promised a long post today Shiro, and yet again excuse for them not coming, its always something, your not home, using your phone, and now your netboard... And i must agree with Sugarfluff about Jrkirby will be modkilled, also agreeing with Vayne here about your meaningless vote. Im very tempted to change my vote to you, and i might do, i will update the thread regulary now and see what other people think&do This kind of delayed opinion and false promise of analysis reeks of scum. He said he was going to give us a read on vayne and targe, but then jumped on the shiro wagon. The problem is that shiro was such a horrible player, its hard to tell if he put his vote on shiro because shiro was an ass, or to protect targe. The truth is we dont have Casey's opinion of targe anywhere. As such, i think targe and casey are possible scum buddies. I'd want a cop to check Casey out. | ||
Spicydinosaur
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On May 10 2013 08:00 eSpi.Casey wrote: I suggest you read through the topic again, i said i would give read on Targe/Vayne, but i diddent make it on time. So i choosed to wait and see what happend with the vote`s, i gave my reasons for what i was doing, and if you scroll back in D2, you can see i provided more post then many, i was pretty active, but i diddent get the time to make a good read for any of them before deadline, but as promised, the read`s on them will come on D3. I have been on work for the whole day, and i have half day tomorrow on work, so after that il come back and catch up. You said you would give analysis on targe/vayne... but then you ran out of time before the vote. You said you would give analysis on targe/vayne... but then you wanted to see what would happen with the vote. You said you would give analysis on targe/vayne... but then you said you will wait for D3. Please tell me how this does not look scummy. You said you couldn't get a read before the deadline... so then you just stopped trying? That makes no sense. | ||
Spicydinosaur
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Spicydinosaur
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Me, Sugarfluff, Vayne, Calgar, and Casey. We have to get the next two votes right perfectly or we are done. Before AllHailHydraGod, he was focusing on Calgar and thinks he might have been scum. jampidampi before he died suspected Casey of being scum. Both of them believed Targe to be scum. Right now I'm leaning towards Casey as he has been actively avoiding giving an analysis of Targe and never voted for him. | ||
Spicydinosaur
United States382 Posts
On May 11 2013 01:48 calgar wrote: @spicy Alright, good job on the targe hunch spicy. I'm not entirely sure you're dead next but there's probably a good chance. Time to turn things around while we still can. @vayne I've reread vayne's filter and changed my mind. I don't think he's played a very good game and he's said a lot of things that can be individually considered scummy, like his vague active lurking/'stalling for time' posts to start the game: and Then there was his insistence on withholding information (you realize when you don't share reads thats 3 mafia you're denying and 8 other towns... 8 seems more important 3...) but that's been mentioned a lot already. There is also the continued mention of a no-lynch and that has been discussed already as well. The no-lynch seems to come from his past experiences and he feels that it would genuinely help town. So even though there are all these individuals things I don't like about his play, I fail to see an overall scummy motivation in his actions as a whole. He made the targe case a while ago and was pushing his read there. I don't really see why scum would pressure targe back then so I can't really imagine that he would be making that case so early if he weren't town. This kind of clears him in my eyes for now. casey also seems to have tried to build a case on you so this can further confirm you I think. my scum team Regarding my scum team - I previously had sugarfluff, shirokami, and one other (likely casey or targe I said). I really thought shiro was going to flip red because he was so scummy, which made me feel like a targe + casey team was unlikely because shiro was higher on the priority list and the team was full. Now than he flipped as terribletown I think casey and targe make a lot more sense. I'll revise my scumteam now to targe, sugarfluff, and casey. casey and targe interaction I've thought casey has had bad posting but seemed to be making a genuine effort at some point. I was waiting for him to improve and he just hasn't and the clocks struck midnight for me. The newbiness and language make it tougher to interpret his true motives and I've probably given him the benefit of the doubt too long as a result. I do think it's striking that they fail to give opinions on each other. What bothers me is similar to what spicy has brought - promising to give reads and then just never delivering. Its excuse after excuse similar to shirokami, just no useful contributions. He seems to be pointing the finger at sugarfluff now - maybe he's doing this so sugar looks better when casey flips red? sugarfluff I've been on him a lot of the game and he hasn't really posted anything substantive in a long time. It feels like he's doing the bare minimum to get by to the next day without attracting attention. See my filter for previous reasoning as well. Another thing I didn't like is how he casually voted for shiro after things were piling up. He essentially ignored shiro in the early game and has little interaction with targe as well (only 1 brief mention) before voting shiro over targe. I get the feeling he may have piled on to save targe and therefore doesn't have any town reasoning to support his actions. roleblocker? Also, if we can trust shiro saying he was roleblocked then this would suggest there is a roleblocker amongst the remaining players? I'm not really sure if we can use this information to our benefit since it may not be true. In conclusion, I'd like to lynch casey and sugarfluff. I suppose the order doesn't matter much if we're right but I'll put my vote on casey for now. Also, I am VT. I think we can trust that shiro was roleblocked even though he was a terrible townie, he didn't have any reason to lie. Now the question is whether it was a town jailer or scum role blocker. I'm leaning towards scum role blocker unless someone claims town jailor. Vayne has been on targe for a long time and it didnt feel like a fake out scum on scum misdirect. @sugarfluff: you really need to post to get your opinions out and start posting. On May 10 2013 21:29 eSpi.Casey wrote: Give me a break..I said i would give a read on targe&vayne, but i diddent have enough time before the lynch, i told this and said i would wait until i had better time. Now you want to vote for me cause you diddent get that read in time, and cause i never voted for Targe ? Obvious i diddent vote for him cause i havent done a good read on him yet, iv done reading on other`s, and i think i was pretty active on D2 with many post`s and read`s, but i was focusing alot on Jrkirby, to much i guess. If you filter me you will see i have stated my reason`s for why i voted like i did. I will filter Sugar and comeback with my read`s on him later today. I'm looking forward to your analysis and I would like if you would also give your view on calgar. | ||
Spicydinosaur
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I'm not going to decide who I'm voting for until i hear from sugarfluff. What is curious is that both Calgar and Casey are saying that Sugar is scumy. By the numbers, one of or both of them is scum. I'm going to go through their filters and see who and who hasn't been talking to each other. Sugarfluff please give us your thoughts sooner rather than later. On May 11 2013 03:08 eSpi.Casey wrote: I have one question for everyone, its just for my personal interest. When you guys do filter reading&scum hunt, how long time do you use to make an post with an ok length and content ? I find myself spening alot of time when i try filter reading someone, and i only manage to focus on one person at the time, reading trough his post over and over again to find reason`s for that person being scummy or not. I probably spend 1 hour if i make imo, a good post&content. I read&understand english well, i struggle with some words, but all in all i dont think i misunderstand anything. Is it like this for you aswell ( not about the language, but the rest ) Il check in here tonight again when i get home, read the posts and my read`s will come in good time as promised. Length of a post doesn't matter as much as the context of it. What is important is to explain your reasoning and quote if necessary. If you can accomplish this in a few sentences then do it. When you scum hunt... look for how the person interacts with others... do they tunnel one person, do they ask questions, do they delay. I also found that looking at who they DON'T talk to is just as important. | ||
Spicydinosaur
United States382 Posts
Calgar and sugar The two of them have been actively questioning each other and have been accused the other of being scum. This looks to be legitimate and not orchestrated to hide scum ties. On May 05 2013 11:09 calgar wrote: @sugarfluff - I don't like your posting very much so far. I understand the votes on you were a random bandwagon to try and prompt activity and what's come forth hasn't seemed very useful. I don't see you doing any hunting right now. What bothers me is that you've taken a very non-committal stance. "I would vote for this guy, this other guy seems suspicious, but I don't know what to think really" is how I would paraphrase your attitude. I feel that vayne has taken some heat (rightfully so) for poorly worded statements regarding "not enough information" and you've sidled onto others (me and jampi specifically) who brought it up first. You're sheeping right now, and that's what scum does. On May 06 2013 06:34 calgar wrote: I'm still not impressed with your posting sugarfluff. I understand you may or may not have known but that kind of tactic is something mafia like to do in order to be less threatening and noticed. I'd like to see you be more committed in taking a stand and outlining your reads. You haven't really built a case on anyone - why is that? You've outlined a small amount jarjar - is he really your top scumread right now? What do you think about shirokami lurking hard and then popping in? On May 08 2013 04:57 calgar wrote: @sugarfluff - I guess it's fair to say I've tunneled you but you really haven't given me any reason to stop. Part of the reason I have been is to prompt you to talk more. Instead you've ignored my questions to date and that adds to my feeling of unease about you. I also really dislike your case for some of the same reasons spicydinosaur does. It seems like you've made a lot of stretches and built it on poor premises. You've factored prominently a connection (or lack therof) between me and kirby, but I fail to see the relevance here. You mention that we haven't really interacted, but naturally I'm not going to be able to interact with everyone substantially or at all in the first few days. I haven't really had much to say to several other players such as spicy and shirokami - why no case built between us then? Even if we were both mafia, we might decide to interact a whole lot. You've imagined this master plan that we have where we plan when to interact and that just doesn't make any sense to me - you can build a 'case' on anyone based on this strategy. So yeah, give me a reason to back off and I will. Until then I really don't like your play at all, and I'm surprised more people haven't been on your case for it. Are you ever going to respond to my questions? On May 11 2013 01:48 calgar wrote: sugarfluff I've been on him a lot of the game and he hasn't really posted anything substantive in a long time. It feels like he's doing the bare minimum to get by to the next day without attracting attention. See my filter for previous reasoning as well. Another thing I didn't like is how he casually voted for shiro after things were piling up. He essentially ignored shiro in the early game and has little interaction with targe as well (only 1 brief mention) before voting shiro over targe. I get the feeling he may have piled on to save targe and therefore doesn't have any town reasoning to support his actions. On May 06 2013 20:26 Sugarfluff wrote: So far my scumradar shows kirby and calgar as scumbuddies. Calgar gave his opinion on plenty of people, including lurkers, yet passed over kirby. Instead he focused on me. Which is fine, I don't think my first day posting was very good. But I also think his reaction was a little strong. So these two ignoring each other I found strange. They did have a conversation towards the end that gives me even more doubt. They both want JarJar off and both think Targe seems more suspicious, but both in fact make no actual attempt to save him, since as mafia they'd know he was town(or SK). The situation was pretty grim for JarJar so in theory if they are scumbuddies one could have voted for JarJar and he would certainly still have gotten lynched, but that is assuming they were worried enough about such suspicions. On the subject of Targe, my read on this guy isn't very good. He certainly doesn't seem that towny right now, short posts, not a lot of original content. I'd really like to hear Vaynes read on him now, if he has now deemed it acceptable for whatever reason. Calgar and Casey The two of them talk even less than calgar and sugar. However Calgar does accuse Casey to be scum with Sugar. On May 08 2013 04:57 calgar wrote: @casey - I'll agree that he looks bad now. I think his posting started very weak but he seems to be improving some and making more of an effort to push his reads. I have a null read and I'm very hesitant here because in my last game there was a very similar player who I (as town) tried to push as a lynch candidate most of the game, and he ended up town. While I realize that past games have no direct relevance, I see a lot of similarities in play so that's how I'm personally inclined to lean now. I'm on the fence between bad towny play and scummy play. Definitely would like to see him explain his thoughts more thoroughly push reads. I can see either targe or casey being scum but I have my doubts as to whether they both are. vayne mentions about a red herring and I agree with him. On May 11 2013 01:48 calgar wrote: In conclusion, I'd like to lynch casey and sugarfluff. I suppose the order doesn't matter much if we're right but I'll put my vote on casey for now. Also, I am VT. Casey and Sugar The two of them have the most bare bones interaction out of everyone. The only real analysis on each other isnt given yesterday. On May 06 2013 20:26 Sugarfluff wrote: Casey and shirokami haven't done that much, about the same as me until now I feel, although their posts have been slightly better. I'd like to see more from both of them soon. On May 11 2013 03:08 eSpi.Casey wrote: Im leaning vs sugarfluff as my most scummy read right now, but that being said, i need more time to read more filter`s. And right now i dont have that time, its weekend, im on my way out the door to a friend`s birthday party, i realize its not ideal, but i will post my read`s on calgar&sugar in good time before the lynch, and try to answear for me as good as i can, i really dont have time to even post this, but i think its sad how this game turned out with inactive player`s and i try to do as good i can to not be one of them. CONCLUSION I believe that Calgar is town, and that Sugar and Casey are the scum team. It also seems that casey is throwing sugar under the bus. Before I vote I would like to hear Vayne's thought on this analysis. | ||
Spicydinosaur
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Calgar has asked a lot of questions, gave a heck of a lot more analysis, and responded to accusations. His filter reads mostly that he has tunneled sugar from the start. While this isn't completely an ideal town way to play, I don't find it as bad as sugar's. looking at the voting: Targe, Sugar, Casey all voted the same both days. Calgar on the other hand voted Sugar day 1 and shiro day 2. The problem with day 2 is that shiro was such a shitty player that it was hard not to vote for him. Calgar's filter also covers analysis more of other players than sugar's. On may 8th, Calgar even suspects that targe or casey may be scum but expresses hesitance because he just doesn't know. Sugar on the other hand seems like he defend's casey here: On May 08 2013 19:56 Sugarfluff wrote: Casey hasn't been that bad, although I don't have townread on him either. Shiros filter is indeed a very sad thing, and his continued delays are getting more and more suspicious. But people were already pointing out his lurking and voicing suspicions about it. I wanted to hear kirby speak up, and I wanted to see how you'd react. Quite frankly I thought you reacted poorly, but reading through my posts I realized that I never outright asked you, what do you think of kirby? You still have not given an opinion on him. This post is also quite troubling as it reads like town is making a mistake. It really reads like us lynching casey is a bad lynch. He then says the last scum will be pretty exposed without really explaining why. This just feels completely off to me. On May 12 2013 09:23 Sugarfluff wrote: Wow, we are all gonna agree on this vote. That sucks, town can't really survive another bad lynch while I guess mafia is in a less fickle situation? Still, the fact that whoever is mafia is completely willing to jump on Casey says something. At this point though I guess it's better than not doing so, Casey would get lynched anyway and then the lone scum would be pretty exposed. Yea I don't actually think you are the Godfather Vayne, although it'd line up with you claiming regular town (as a godfather would turn up as one in an investigation), just think it'd be an awesome plot twist. @vayne, I looked through Targe's filter again and he rarely talks about Calgar and Sugarfluff. he only gives a small analysis of sugar early and thats it. Calgar and targe seem to have a small bit of dialog but not much. Also went through casey's filter and he doesn't talk to either Calgar or Sugar at all. The one thing that does look interesting is when Calgar says that casey and targe could be scum, yet neither one of them respond to it, just ignore it. On May 08 2013 04:57 calgar wrote: @casey - I'll agree that he looks bad now. I think his posting started very weak but he seems to be improving some and making more of an effort to push his reads. I have a null read and I'm very hesitant here because in my last game there was a very similar player who I (as town) tried to push as a lynch candidate most of the game, and he ended up town. While I realize that past games have no direct relevance, I see a lot of similarities in play so that's how I'm personally inclined to lean now. I'm on the fence between bad towny play and scummy play. Definitely would like to see him explain his thoughts more thoroughly push reads. I can see either targe or casey being scum but I have my doubts as to whether they both are. vayne mentions about a red herring and I agree with him. Sugarfluff has put more accusations against townies and has gotten them killed while Calgar has had suspicions of a few and a couple of them turned out to be scum. As such I believe Sugarfluff is the last scum. | ||
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