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Just gathering some points about WaveofCheececake:
CC gives Hapa the towniest of townreads with no reasoning to back it up, but still suspects MockArmour for changing his read on Hapa to town. If you really thought Hapa was town, wouldn't it be only natural that others would come to the same conculsion? I can't see a townie seriously thinking that Hapa is the towniest of towns while suspecting others for giving a townread on Hapa.
Their opinion on raynmaster is a weird one. It starts with CC declaring that rayn is scummier than MA, stating that he'll tell later why. He tells us only after the lynch why he thought rayn was scummy, with just a couple of lines he could have dumped in the thread at any time really. CC votes rayn stating that he is sheeping, why is it sheeping if have a scumread on the dude? Why didn't he just say that he had had a scumread on rayn and votes acording to it? Seems odd.
Waves stance on rayn is also a odd one. To start with, he doesn't find rayn scummy in the slightest even though he knows that rayn isn't in CC list of townreads. Wave says several times that he and CC haven't discussed rayn. Yet instead of trying to tell CC that rayn is town, atleast when he last read him, he trusts CC and votes rayn. Seems odd that he abandoned his townread on rayn and trusted CC, even when CC didn't tell him, what made rayn scum. If you had a townread on someone, and your mason partner (hydra equivalent) told you that someone was actually a scumread of his without providing reasonings, would you believe him? I don't think so.
WoC contributions can summed up as: tunneled MockArmour and defended himself. Aside from some minor points on whomever WoC suspected, thats it. Not very much.
All of this make me think WoC is scum.
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^ All the posting in the last few hours has been jampi. I'm not sold in WoC, and would probably prefer to spite-lynch NSB tomorrow for being useless.
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syllo if you flip town I'm going to yell at you a lot
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On April 16 2013 03:57 John Matrix wrote:
syllo if you flip town I'm going to yell at you a lot
Why do you suddenly think he'll flip town?
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Probably because he finally actually read my filter
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no you don't look like scum going down right now. before the nuke you still look terrible. You were on the wrong side of the wagon, didn't care much about the lynch and the last post you guys made before the lynch was an ill-informed shitpost with multiple whatever reads.
I want you to die, and I don't want you saved if that option exists, but your apathy and annoyance now looks slightly less scum.
But anyway, you deserve to die for your day 1 anyway.
please make sure you leave a list of reads if you're town, else I'll yell even more at you.
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I-would-bet-my-left-nut-these-guys-are-town:
InsertSmurfHere – Duh
JohnMatrix – Double Duh
FondleMyButtocks – Should be reasonably clear that the FMB wagon was a mislynch wagon based on how many people were soft-pushing him and how the votes panned out.
MockArmor – Two things:
1) Their defense last night was very townie. The whole “fuck you I am confirmed town” defense seems incredibly difficult to pull off genuinely as scum.
2) Raynmaster’s actions strongly suggest he’s town. He got into a shitfight with him, then 180’d his read calling MockArmor town. That doesn’t seem natural for Rayn to do with a person who he knows is guilty (i.e. they’re probably not scumbuddies).
Paranoid-of-these-guys-but-shouldn’t-be-lynched-tomorrow:
FiveTouch – The obvious point is that he was pushing mafia-objectives on Day 1. He was shutting down discussion on Raynmaster and lightly resisting the lynch until the very end of the day (when VE suddenly voiced his support).
However I would need to have a better idea of NSB’s alignment to really pin down his actions. Marv’s major lynch push was NSB. Obviously if NSB is scum, he looks better. If NSB is town, this looks an awful lot like a cop-out from doing any actual scumhunting at the end of the day.
Should be considered for lynch tomorrow:
VIVAX420 – I’m actually fairly worried about him. Vivax hasn’t done very much, and Kush’s half (despite being suspicious of Rayn early on) bears an eerie resemblance to his scum-game in Witchcraft Mini Mafia. I think Yamato’s description of Kush’s play was fairly accurate:
On April 16 2013 01:10 InsertSmurfHere wrote:
According to Yamato, Kush is a massive troll and only ever busses as scum. So if he calls someone mafia that flips town, he's probably town.
As odd as it sounds, the fact that Kush didn't like Rayn bothers me. I'll reread again later.
Kush has a very difficult time coming up with original content when he’s scum, so his play revolves around doing stuff he knows is correct: attacking teammates and defending townies.
This is basically what he did in Witchcraft Mini as scum – he showed a general lynch apathy on Day 1 between a bunch of lurkers, then started bussing his teammates on Day 2 and beyond. In addition, he had a few oddly timed town-reads that he hard a hard time articulating.
Also the Vivax half hasn’t been all that townie. There’s just very little content or analysis out of either of them. They state opinions, but often have scant rationale for them.
Am I convinced they’re scum? Not at all. However I believe they deserve a careful look tomorrow.
WaveOfCheesecake – I’ll preface this by saying that my gut-read is that they’re town. I’ve been generally disappointed by their effort, but CC’s play seems very similar to his town-game in British Mini II. He seems a lot less concerned about his image in this game, and in his scum games, he definitely tries to make a show of looking townie by being active/spammy.
That being said, he should be considered for lynch, since I really need to hear more from him in order to get a better read on him.
NutralSurvivingBalrog – Should be lynched for being useless as fuck.
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As for Syllo, I'm a bit annoyed by how he's handling this situation. I can certainly see him acting like this as a disheartened townie, but he's not giving us enough to call for an anti-nuke, and I still think his lynch-actions were very likely to come from scum-syllo.
After he votes FMB, he beings to share sentiment arising in the town that the vote-count looks a ton like a mislynch:
On April 15 2013 04:48 SamuelLJackson wrote:
This vote count looks suspiciously like a townie lynch. One wagon and 4 votes spread around?
Marvel, since you are here, are any other options viable today in your opinion? I could use some leads on who i should spend my time on.
Then he makes a show about wanting to carefully consider other options:
On April 15 2013 05:30 SamuelLJackson wrote:
@vivax420 I took a quick peek at your filter and it seems you both agree on the FMB lynch, are voting for someone else and now you are pressuring me to move my vote away from him instantly when I'm considering other options?
On April 15 2013 05:42 SamuelLJackson wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2013 05:31 InsertSmurfHere wrote:
Honestly, at this point I'm not going to lynch Prom.
Vivax420/NSB/WWoC
Pick one, bros. I could get behind vivax420/nsb/FMB, who looks actually like a good wagon if vivax is scum. I'm not feeling the woc.
While he did say he was going to bed in 30 minutes or whatever, I find it hard to believe that he disappeared in the middle of his deliberations on finding an alternative lynch. He apparently decided not to care, leave his vote on a guy he had misgivings about, and go to bed. It's hard for me to rationalize that from town-Syllo.
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Those are all Sandro, I left over an hour earlier
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On April 16 2013 04:39 SamuelLJackson wrote:
Those are all Sandro, I left over an hour earlier
So Sandro decided to fuck off and not do anything. That doesn't exactly look good.
Anyway are you going to provide us with your own reads or not? Whining about it isn't going to get you un-nuked.
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On April 16 2013 04:39 SamuelLJackson wrote:
Those are all Sandro, I left over an hour earlier
whatever your alignment you need to yell at him
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I'm not going to get un-nuked because there is no such a thing. No one can be daft enough not to anti-nuke me at this point, in particular because that would confirm the person as town.
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The anti-nuker can claim at any point and he would be confirmed due to lack of counter-claims - there would be no need for him to actually shoot down the nuke.
And if I was the anti-nuker, I'd be certainly "daft" enough to let it land, because you've spent the majority of the last day whining about your situation as opposed to scum-hunting. In fact the only scum-hunting you've actually done is tell is to sheep Palmar. Really?
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We're not even asking for much. Apparently you've been reasonably keeping up with the game, so reading through the end of D1 and making your own conclusions about the votes shouldn't be too difficult or time-consuming. Instead you're meandering around the thread calling us "daft" instead of attempting to prove that you're town.
So I'm left with a situation where one of the best town players on TL has given us nothing of substance the entire night cycle. The simple answer is that you're scum, and it will continue to be so unless you decide to show us that you're town by doing some work.
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The anti-nuker isn't confirmed unless he, in fact, antis a nuke. Otherwise he's just a guy with a claim. A fishy one if the guy tries to claim while not antiing a nuke.
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I don't understand why there would be any assumption by SLJ that there is no anti-nuker. For balance reasons and especially since it is one of only two town roles in existence, it makes more sense to me for there to be a nuker and anti-nuker for town especially since scum had a nuker (with the doubtful possibility of another).
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I forget who mentioned it but it really does look like a scummy attempt by SLJ to find the anti-, get him to question the town's read and shoot it down.
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Well talking about syllo is a waste of time unless he decides to do something other than make snarky comments.
Who do you want to lynch tomorrow WoC?
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For the case that SLJ flips town, I'd be interested into hearing NSB's and WoC's opinions on my alignment. Wouldn't surprise me if they started pushing my lynch.
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If Syllo is scum then like CC I wouldn't care so much if we go down, especially since I don't have the time (nor the desire) to flail about to prevent a mislynch (and it would probably eliminate the rest of the doubt you guys seem to have regarding 3rd scum), but CC has mentioned he will have plenty of time to post tomorrow. Personally I'm thinking NSB.
Obviously I'd rather you guys not mislynch us tomorrow and hopefully even if you decide to (whether we are right or wrong about Syllo/sandro) we can generate enough discussion for it to be useful.
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