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On April 11 2013 03:14 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 02:53 Obzy wrote:+ Show Spoiler +not for me specifically because I rather want to die, but if you were night killed instead of one of my townreads I would be rather thrilled and feel more confident. If Rainbows were night killed I'd be ecstatic. Anything that removes questionables from the equation is a positive thing for town. You know as well as I do that killing anything that makes it simpler for the town is not going to happen. + Show Spoiler +Especially not when you pulled a Rainbows. WHY DIDN'T YOU WAIT TILL TOMORROW DAMN IT?!
+ Show Spoiler +Sorry. I guess I hadn't calmed down. It would've been significantly wiser to wait until immediately before the day post and then post that, but I honestly want to get NK'd and have no faith that I'd be able to actually land a protect. It was selfish of me, and bad play - but, as is my seeming catchphrase, I never claimed to be good.
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+ Show Spoiler [regarding the above,] +I'm even assuming that I should've posted a claim at all, which was in itself a poor play. If I was going to claim, I should have done so at the end of this night. The proper play would be to have kept a level head and kept my motivation up and not claimed at all. I was never going to be mislynched anyways.
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I prefer reading Moloch as town. Fish - I could theoretically see as scum, but I'm bad so I'm just going to ignore him entirely to simplify things.
JarJar, even if people aren't going to listen to you necessarily, that's no excuse imho for not trying to join the conversation. In your last game, I noticed that you didn't post much until you started defending yourself [I only skimmed trying to look at the days going by between your posts, lol] so you've been playing like your town self that game. The thing is, your town self isn't very townie, and that's why you got mislynched despite having a blue claim in the back pocket and picking up your activity significantly on lynch day. You aren't CURRENTLY getting any votes, since it's night. I very much recommend that you start posting actively immediately. Nobodywonder was a similarly null read for me a couple of days ago, and now he's a strong town read due to his increase in activity and the way he thought.
If you don't pick up your activity in some way or another to show that you're townie, you will only avoid the lynch through dumb luck, not arguments and defending yourself, in my opinion. Whether that be as scum or town. We will have 8 people alive tomorrow - 7 if rainbows is idiotically not roleblocked and fires to confirm himself. There are 3 scum left, and everybody town can ignore themselves as a possible scum, of course. We've got a 40%+ chance of random lynching and hitting scum ffs. If you pick up your activity in a pro-town way and we hit scum tomorrow, I don't care if you're scum today, that will stave off your lynch for another day and then you have to do it again tomorrow and if you do it again tomorrow then you survive two days and then you can't do it and you'll get lynched for being scum. High activity helps from EVERYBODY.
Your reads are town on me and Rain - both blue claims, at this point.
Scummy on Warent and Ravens - Ravens for distancing from a scumbuddy, which doesn't mean anything now, and Warent for placing suspicion on Rainbows. How do you consider Warent and Rainbows right now? And has your view on Ravens changed?
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ebwop - By my fish comment, I mean that "It is not impossible." it is, however, unlikely enough that I'm not going to waste my time with it.
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Before I leave for lunch, I'm going to point out an observation and a few points that I think are important.
1. Don't blindly trust my reads. I'm bad. They're just opinions. Guaranteed opinions, truthful opinions, yes - but just opinions.
2. We're going to lose - And would you like to know why I think that is?
Because in the 18 hours since I claimed, there have been posts by four people, and three of them were the people I had called out as scum in my claim post. Sheesh.
I see you just posted, Warent - I will read it when I get back from lunch.
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Picky, picky, picky.
It will be guaranteed when I die tonight, then. If you have been legitimately reading me as non-town to a point that you think my opinions are not town opinions, you are mafia, horrible, or insane.
Warent, I like that piece of information quite a bit - that JarJar's voters are dead. I don't really know why you'd specifically point out that JarJar and nobodywonder have voted on mislynches twice in a row - I mean, so did Smancer, Fish, and myself. Assuming your assumption is correct; Smancer obviously is my pick for the scum on jampi's wagon.
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Well, I'm now much happier lynching Warent. ^_^
Also - Can I can save myself? I didn't think I could lol
I wrote up some things about why your theory is stupid, but I don't actually think there's any reason to poke holes in it - it's just bad and I think you're scum for it.
Also: You say that I would claim to protect fake-Rainbows - what, you think that there was one blue? >.> Obviously you do not think there was just one blue.
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hmm, ebwop, to be a little less direct -
Could a medic theoretically protect themselves?
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Oh, hi rainbows. thoughts on Warent being scum?
+ Show Spoiler +The question is stupid, I obviously can't protect myself at night, because that' #1 not how medics work and #2 how can I 'visit' myself and protect my own home - -; I just ask because the hosts will clear up a simple question very rapidly.
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Smancer - you quote that I should play to win. I rather believe I have actively been trying to help town win. You are pointing out my words, and ignoring my actions. I fail to see how my claim is remotely important as a topic of discussion, unless you think that my play before claiming looked scummy enough that the claim itself places suspicion on me.
I have already given my opinion on the Raven vs Rainbows discourse - several times, actually. And the vote counts from Warent, who accused me so now I'm fairly 100% certain that he is scum, are not necessarily something I think require discussion since they are a statement of facts rather than good insight as to why they matter, but I will indulge your curiosity, despite thinking you're likely a second scum.
My input on the vote counts:
Day one lynch:
TheRavensname (1) Rainbows
Rainbows (2) Warent, TheRavensName
jrkirby (2) JarJarDrinks, nobodywonder
jampidampi (4) Smancer, Obzy, Fishgle, Moloch
JarJarDrinks (3) Saraf, jrkirby, jampidampi
Specifically, I guess I'll note the thing I noticed but am not certain about: Jarjar had 3 votes here, and all three voters on him were town, while four voters were on other targets. This sort of makes me worry that Jarjar is more likely to be town, since mafia wouldn't've felt comfortable with the end of the lynch if he was scum. /shrug although he's still scummy.
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Me fakeclaiming medic trying to save a fakeclaiming vigi is stupid, but you were obviously being sarcastic ^_^;
Warent, I already explained why I claimed. I quoted it for you awhile ago, in fact. Power roles are distributed randomly - but that doesn't mean what you are implying it does - it means that power roles are randomly distributed amongst townies. It's not like the host just flipped a coin for each one to decide whether or not it should be in the game. I mean, according to the rules, there "theoretically" could be multiple of a role, but that's not going to be the case lol. Smancer had made a list of posts from Jampi he didn't like as early as here,
+ Show Spoiler +On April 06 2013 07:30 Smancer wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2013 06:12 Fishgle wrote:
I too want to see some discussion about jampidampi. He's been jumping in and out, questioning people, but not really providing any opinions. Rather noncommital. Not only that, but he himself states people should be actively scumhunting, and doesn't do it himself. I don't like it.
] You actually have a really good point. Looking at his filter it is terrible. Almost every single post is posing a question to someone rather than actually contributing. I mean literally every single one is what do you think about X? Look at this: + Show Spoiler +On April 05 2013 15:52 jampidampi wrote:
Does Rainbows behaviour make him scum in your eyes? On April 05 2013 14:05 jampidampi wrote:
In what way do you like Obzy?
On April 05 2013 14:20 jampidampi wrote:
Moloch, in this post you calling Rainbows scum in a noncommital way (bolded by me). Do you think he is actually scummy for that post?
On April 05 2013 14:38 jampidampi wrote:
By that way, you are voting Rainbows. What makes hi scummy? On April 05 2013 14:54 jampidampi wrote:
While Rainbows post does generate discussion, do you think it was a good way to start discussion?
On April 05 2013 15:30 jampidampi wrote:
Fishgle, does your post mean that you are going to sleep? Your posts so far have all been reagrding Rainbows. Any other opinions? On April 05 2013 16:08 jampidampi wrote:
Warent, do you have opinions on someone not named Rainbows?
and it was Fish that pointed this out, not me, as far as I remember. (Maybe I did, dunno - but I think you're implying I definitively gave Smancer the idea, and I don't remember this being the case.) I think you are probably trying to distance yourself from Smancer right now, given that mere hours ago you said that replacing yourself with Rainbows in your scumteam looked good, and now you're appealing to him against me.
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Smancer even if I am trying to die - which sure would be nice lol - ...w/e.
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I would rather discuss Warent. I feel like by deciding to pick on my medic claim when I have been active throughout the entire game and begun attacking him directly, he is basically claiming scum. The claim was stupid. I should not have claimed at that point. Didn't consult the coaches, didn't really consider that it would be better to claim to get myself off hypothetical annoying scumteams until today at 4:58 or so instead of really early, but apparently he's now going to let me live and somehow try to also blame (or distance himself, depending) Rainbows for this at the same time, thinking to himself "Well, OBVIOUSLY there is only one blue, I will build a fake case off this. It's "Random distribution", after all."
It doesn't even say it's random distribution! >.> It says "The game is inherently balanced for both sides depending on the types and numbers of roles that appear." Not random at all!
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Hm, I jumped around a little, allow me to clarify - again - I'm posting a little hastily today hehe.
My claim was stupid, I should have held onto it for longer for obvious reasons.
I think he is claiming scum because attacking me is fucking idiotic from a town perspective, and his logic sucks, and he's also lying.
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I didn't miss it Rainbows, but it is so depressing that he implies I'm going to live tonight that I'm largely unable to form words.
Also, if they leave me alive, I guess I get to be a claimed medic and try to make saves every night, and if I land even one then town gets an entire extra lynch unless you get your shot off and hit a townie. Idiots. They're likely going to kill me tonight unless they think they can mislynch me, apparently, because my role is strong, and they can't roleblock both of us. If you get your shot off, then I don't need to get saves off if you miss - It'd be 4-3 then, and you're confirmed. If they roleblock me and you get a shot off and I claim roleblocked, then whoever else claims a RB is scum. Etc etc, in conclusion,
I think they're still going to kill me tonight, and if they don't, then this is some sort of personal hell \o/
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Oh. I'm not going to save you Rainbows, by the way, because if you get killed, it makes me breathe a sigh of relief and simplifies things considerably. When I can see your role name in blue, I will feel so much enormously better about a large portion of this game. At this time, Warent is 100% scum IMHO, and it will take a miracle for me to not vote him. Like literally there would have to be a ray of light fall upon my car in the middle of a storm as i drive home and fucking jesus would levitate down and gently rest his hand on my car's side-view mirror as I stop, stupified, and say "Please don't lynch Warent." - in perfect english, mind you - and then fly away surrounded by doves and a choir of angels
If that doesn't happen I'm voting Warent. You never know, though!
I'm going to do some work now! I probably won't post until I get home in two and a half hours! If I die, farewell everybody and I will welcome back my sanity! -_-
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Good stuff guys ^^ Wp finishing it up. Sorry for going a little bonkers, got far too stressed out (and my reads were all pretty bad ^^;; ), quite lucky that day3 played out the way it did and then night3 scum derped a little.
Perfectly happy to see it happen though :0.
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