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Alright, I am currently writing my thesis on scum. Hopefully it's alright, in the mean time I figured I might as well just ask a few more questions and comment on a couple of things...
@Fishgle, I just want to ask a couple things, since your filter is kinda short and I just need your opinion. First, what do you think of Smancer, Moloch, JarJar and me in general, leaning scum or town, note scummy actions or whatever, because it seems you didn't really touch upon us in your filter.
Lastly, I really hope we can get the mafia roleblocker. Since Ravens is quite eager is to bus Warents, it is unlikely that Warents is the mafia roleblocker then, because then
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oh darn it, I didn't finish my last sentence.
Lastly, I really hope we can get the mafia roleblocker. Since Ravens is quite eager is to bus Warents, it is unlikely that Warents is the mafia roleblocker then, because then Rainbow would be confirmed for sure. Thus Ravens has a higher chance of being the mafia roleblocker, if so then Rainbows may be able to get his shot off.
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Lastly, I want to give out another plea to town: We all need to post at this critical point, so we can get the posts to determine reads upon. And don't forget to read the filters!
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##Vote: No lynch
I think its best to no lynch at this point. I think itll be much more clear that way.
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lol mafia dun goofed!
good job rainbows... wow town has this now. lets get some good lynches now
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baaaaaaaa
##Vote: JarJarDrinks
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Cool defense from Jarjar. You gotta work a little harder if youre town...
In your filter you thought raven and also warent were scum. Care to explain your though process?
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good job, town! ...so now lets kill the last mafia
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I'm lil' confused about the setup stuff, just want to make sure so I get good theorycraft vigilant only has one shot, right?
also the last mafia has to be roleblocker, right?
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thanks, Moloch,
yeah I feel your analysis is completely correct and in addition, I do feel that you are town and so I think that at the moment, I feel fishgle has been scummy, he hasn't cared too much.
Right now, I will post something that I wrote a while ago that explains why I made my decisions too, this was before the Warents switch to No lynch
-- remember: I did this before the No lynch --
[spoiler]Currently I think the scum team is likely Warent – Ravens -- Fishgle/JarJar. I hope to analyze their agenda and show how they are likely scum. II feel Moloch, Rainbows are town, and I’m unsure of Fishgle and Jarjar right now.
As for Ravens, I feel that he has to be scum if Rainbows is rightfully town. He tunnels unusually hard on Rainbows, and voted Moloch on Day 2 for a while and then switched back to Rainbows. I think what is extremely alarming is that Raven completely 180 after being accused by Rainbows. Before that, on his first filter page, he seemed to contribute fairly nicely to the discussion. But after the accusation by Rainbows, Raven just reverse-tunneled on Rainbows based on meta, and blatantly did not participate in discussion of jrkirby and other lynch picks, besides a quick and short sheep on Moloch. Like always, Obzy tried to promote discussion and asked Ravens to provide other reads, but Ravens never got to it. I also just have the feeling that Ravens simply doesn’t care about who gets lynched.
+ Show Spoiler +This remark I feel is rather weird too, somehow Raven distorts Jarjar’s post and uses it to attack Rainbows. @Jarjar, it’s somewhat sad that as town, we never pressured him much and he has been given a free pass to lurk, more or less. He has always been rather inactive in the game, only to post briefly in the thread to get a vote in. It’s also significant to note that he never contributed to the thread, besides tunneling jrkirby very hard. READ HIS FILTER. Most of his posts just focus on getting jrkirby. So it seems that his posts or lack thereof seem to suggest that he doesn’t care. Also, he has always avoided Obzy’s calls to go through filters. I find especially alarming, since Jarjar had a town read on Obzy and should have followed him. Although there is one weird thing, Jarjar does call out both Ravens, and Warent based on jrkirby and that Jarjar does have Ravens and Warent as his scumreads. I find it kinda weird that Jarjar would double bus but I assume it is pssible @Jarjar, I’m curious who’s your last scum read then? However at the same time, Ravens never seems to note the accusation from JarJar On April 09 2013 22:33 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 22:02 JarJarDrinks wrote:So jkirbys defense was pretty weak just like I expected. And looking @ Ravens last few posts, I think he may also be scum and trying to distance himself from kirbs. Here's his response to my case against kirby: On April 09 2013 06:14 TheRavensName wrote: Well, sense I wasn't asked for an opinion on this I will state it: Its enough to make me doubt my good read I had on JRK, but I feel if the main basis for this is Why did he vote for Jampi over You, the same lgoci can be applied to rainbows when he didn't vote for NW when he thought for sure he was scum because "He didn't feel like it.", enough that I will leave my vote on rainbows... which I should probably finalize. ##Vote: Rainbows He's trying to make it seem like he isn't defending kirby by saying I'm making him doubt his read while @ the same time saying that I don't really have a good argument against him because of my main point. And he's trying to apply that same argument to rainbows even though it's not really similiar @ all. And kirbys defense of jampi while earlier naming him a suspect is the strongest point in my case against him, it's certainly not the only one. Your right, it is a different arguement completly. Because looking back at it, JRK never said he thought Jampi was scum, just that his play style suggested it and he couldn't be sure he WASN'T scum; Which to be fair, most people tend to play blue like that, and as a cop it makes sense to focus on one person, check them at night, then either pile it on or swap to someone else. Mafia won't shoot you if they think they can convince people your at least a little bit scummy. So I feel like his read makes a lot of sense, looking back at it. In this case, Ravens neglects Jarjar’s insinulation that he, Ravens is scum and focuses on something that I don’t really understand and seems to end up with no significance except spam. I don't know what this means, because Ravens looks more scummy and Jarjar perhaps less so. On April 10 2013 02:39 Warent wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2013 00:52 JarJarDrinks wrote:On April 10 2013 00:21 Warent wrote: Back from work, was in a meeting the whole day, couldn't do much. Sadly need to leave soon again but I'll back in a few hours.
I'll just say that I'm extremely curious how you get this into me twisting Rains words when that what was I was calling Rain out for. Rainbow was right in that Saraf was basically saying that "we should lynch you whether you are scum or not". And it did seem like Saraf thought Rainbows was town even if he said the words "Even if you are" as opposed to "Probably are". That's just nitpicking words and harping on semantics. It amazes me that you chooses to bring that bullshit up again. For reference I put the original post in spoilers. Anyone capable of reading knows I'm right about this, shouldn't really be any need to discuss this further but you did just rose highly on my scum-read meter. + Show Spoiler +On April 05 2013 11:57 Saraf wrote:glhf Can we vote for a no-lynch in this game, or must votes be placed on individuals?Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 09:28 Rainbows wrote: Okay enough guys.
##Unvote
Anyone who's here right now I want to give me their opinions on a statement.
--- I don't want to talk about policy. You can policy me this or policy me that, or raise me a lynch-all-liar policy, but I don't want to hear it. Your policy is your own. Enact it when you see fit, if at all. Don't spew it in the thread incessantly to act like you're contributing or it's the 'must-do' in a mafia game.
If you want to override this and go on with it, fine with me. Whatever you feel is best. Not talking policy Day 1 is bullshit. Scum know who scum are but we don't, and the only way we catch scum is by making them fuck up. Even if the policy ends up being "there is no policy", the debate drives conversation and conversation is the only reliable way we have of rooting out scum and eliminating them. Problems arise for town when scum derails the conversation, so here's some day 1 policy to chew on: In the absence of really strong reads, lynch the spammiest asshole who shits up the thread the most. Spamming the thread is a scum tactic to distract and disrupt town; even if the spammiest asshole is just some poor well-meaning fattie (who should have applied the litmus test "does this post help town?"), at the very least in Day 2 the thread will be less shit up, and it'll be easier to find scum without him shitting up the thread. Reading through Kirbys filter he comes out very townie to me. The only "weird" post were he provided reads on everyone - but I believe that was a response to us asking him to elaborate further on his early "mystery" read. Other than that most of his actions makes sense from my perspective. I'll re-read the case against Moloch and take a closer look at his filter. again, Warent quotes the same quote regarding Jarjar’s accusations, but here Warent does seem to respond alright. So if Jarjar isn't the last scum, then I feel it's either Fishgle or Smancer. Fishgle I can't get a complete read, since his filter is so short, but he feels kinda useless, since he only sheeped aboard and didn't do much else. As for Smancer, I like some of his posts, but other posts and his voting seems a lil scummy. Last thing is if something I am wrong about the Warents, Raven + 1, then it must be JarJar - Rainbows + 1, but so far I feel like the Warents, Raven +1 is more likely...
anyways, this will be probably the last analysis
based on the most recent vote and stuff, Smancer has shown he is town, and then in my scumguide, it is fishgle so
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sorry Rainbows, you were incorrect. but 2/3 is still pretty good.
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Yeah and fishgle hasnt bothered to comment at all so hes almost definitely scum.
GG
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gg!
ehh yeah i derped pretty hard.
day 1 and night 1, i was gone, and lurking pretty much so ummm yeah, i didn't know shit and followed the town's sentiments that rainbows couldn't be trusted and stuff.
day 2 i tried to be more active and derped on jrkirby immensely, I should have read day 1 more carefully but yeah...i read jrkirby as town eventually, but still didn't know who was better than. so yeah... i derped again
day 3 im just happy that i actually used coaching and stuff and got a better idea, the advice helped me veer off the Warents bandwagon, because my analysis didn't make sense at times.
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lol ravens, you dissed me so hard, always calling me an idiot, lol your town read on me was stupid town... i should just have grudge lynched you for that and get lucky.
lol i have almost always gotten lynched. this game was a first for me lol
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lol i just saw the spreadsheet, thanks fishgle for rb'ing rainbows d2, otherwise i would be dead and very sad
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