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jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
April 09 2013 05:30 GMT
#601
I have a strong townread on obzy. The only reason I ever didn't was when he was defending rainbows and I thought rainbows was scum.

Ravens has felt fairly town to me for a while as well. I hate that he still wants to lynch rainbows even after rainbows survived a night claiming vigi. I also don't like his "mistake" with the voting on the first night, but I feel like that was really just a mistake. This is a noob game after all. Overall though, I don't think I want to lynch him today. Maybe day 3.

I might be ok lynching moloch but I don't have a good read on him either way. If someone presents a good case I'll think about it.

Smancer smells bad to me. I will vote for him if I think that the town is on my side.

Warent - Are you still on rainbow's case? - I don't like that he voted for him night one. Really, if someone reveals vigi, they're likely going to die. Either their lying and the real vigi will kill them, or the scum will (eventually) kill them. I'm guessing rainbows only has until the end of night 2. But scum does have roleblock, so he might have a bit longer. I hope we can lynch their roleblock, that would be nice. But Rainbows would probably accidentally shoot town. Well that was off topic. Anyways, I don't like warent for voting rainbows. Actually, come to think, ravens voted rainbows too. Shit this game is hard. I might lynch him tonight too.

+ Show Spoiler +
sorry I'm rambling and not focused on one topic here.


I don't think I want to lynch fishgle. He reads town. Yah he voted jampi, but I think he reads as town. I'll relook his filter if someone makes a good case on him.

Jarjar has made few posts, almost all against me. I thought he's make a good day one lynch because I had nothing good on him, only bad. But I think we can do better day 2. But please jarjar, say what you think of other people. Please? Don't focus on just one guy. There's 3 scum, so if you think I'm one, who are the other two? I don't wanna just vendetta you. You might just be town. But i could still see myself voting for you.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
April 09 2013 05:33 GMT
#602
Oh, and I have townread on nobodywonder for now.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
April 09 2013 05:52 GMT
#606
Do you have any opinion on saraf getting hit? I couldn't get anything out of it, and I haven't seen anyone build a case on it. Although I don't think there's a case to be made.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
April 09 2013 07:27 GMT
#609
I don't think I ever actually voted for jampi. All I ever had was unfounded suspicion.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
April 09 2013 18:27 GMT
#644
Jarjar just keeps bringing up stuff from forever ago. Like me voting for ravens: I did that because at the time there was no one I had more of a scumread on. This is my first game of mafia here. Are you going to vote for me because my first vote on the first half first day turned out insubstantial and I retracted it? Me being suspicious of jampi - 1) I never voted for him. 2) I was clear on the fact I had no evidence. Why try to get me on that? Jarjar, your case is worthless.

Obzy - why might you vote for me? I'm sure you'd have a much better case than jarjar if you presented it.

I'm going to come back in several hours and probably vote for one of these four - smancer - jarjar - warent - theravensname. in that order of suspicion.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
April 09 2013 21:48 GMT
#668
You know what smancer? I just reread your filter and I don't think you're scum. It just doesn't add up.

Jarjar has been on my case from day 1 though. And he's never posted a good case against me. He's barely posted against anyone else, and he's finally got a BW on me. Although everyone else has slightly better arguments. I guess you'll all see when I flip VT tonight.

I guess this is kinda a OMGUS on him.

[b]##VOTE: JarJarDrinks[b]

Defences

[spoiler]
On April 10 2013 04:15 nobodywonder wrote:
jrkirby is scum. lynch him.

There are many suspicious, I will guide you through the exhibits of scumminess

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On April 07 2013 07:34 jrkirby wrote:
I think jampidampi is town. At least for now. Earlier I had a hunch against him. I thought he was clever. Asking questions of rainbows, getting reads, and but not showing his opinion too much, because he wasn't ready to commit to his reads. Did he focus more on rainbows than anyone else? Yeah. But he also was talking to me, moloch, and saraf. And he had reason to keep his eye on rainbows. Rainbows was doing suspicious things and avoiding his questions.

Yeah, his final case against Rainbows was poorly written, and not convincing. But that doesn't mean he didn't have good reason to write it!

And if you're not reading rainbows as town, JarJarDrinks is a way better choice than Jampi. I'm suspicious that JarJarDrinks cast a vote on e to try to take the attention off Rainbows. Whether that's true or not, jampi hasn't been defending anyone. And that's the only thing mafia needs to do day 1. Just make sure none of they're own are lynched.


first, the sudden town read. this is, by itself, not incriminating, but provides a very important contrast to his later quotes and actions. considering that jamp actually gets lynched, jrkirby does set himself up to look good. this is weird because, in contrast this correct single town read, all of jrkirby's other posts seem to insinuate that he doesnt know what he is doing.

here are some examples:

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On April 07 2013 08:26 jrkirby wrote:
As I said earlier, it's really hard to tell the difference between scum and bad town.


herp derp, you were absolutely correct on jamp as a bad town. why cant you find other bad town or scum. then. you easily somehow saw the difference when everyone else didn't and dun goofed.

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On April 07 2013 08:55 jrkirby wrote:
Well only a couple minutes left, I think. Oh, well, we're gonna lynch town...


this quote especially concerns me. WTF, if the town going to lynch townie and especially since you gave a very strong town read, I expect you to fucking stop the lynch. I think if you defended the shit of him, that would have been the correct move - you would actually look even better than after a switch to another lynch, because for someone to stop a bandwagon on a townie shows the likely characteristics of a townie provided there is good reasoning. but instead you just let him die, this is too convienent since allows your mafia agenda.

2nd thing is terrible post history, he has a lot of filler that is not only useless, but also confusing...

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On April 05 2013 15:14 jrkirby wrote:
Yeah, probably. Lurkers can kill huge lines of marines with splash damage. But we might want to throw down a couple of scans first, if you get my extended metaphor.


does not compute, really. no jargon or metaphor is necessary, just give a simple answer plz. I play SC2 and I don't know what a lurker is. :/

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On April 05 2013 15:00 jrkirby wrote:
So I'm worried about rainbows. I feel like he might actually be a fatty, and is just acting stupid by accusing random people for no reason. But the way he's acting is just stupid, and only helps the skinnies. And since he's just helping the skinnies I feel like I have to vote for him, because no one is acting as stupid as him. I don't want to lynch all the lurkers just yet - partially because there's 3 of them and it's a crapshot - and rainbows is the only other guy giving off that scum vibe. So until something changes, or one of the scum making a foolish post, my vote is on rainbows.

The mafia are (probably) gonna kill one of us tonight, so it would be good if we at least have a chance of killing one of them tonight. It might not be rainbows but I feel like the chances are better than even.


Hmm, youre not very committed to lynching this Rainbows guy. This combined with your metaphor makes me rather unclear about your thoughts. You seem so far to suggest a policy of lynching stupid behavior.

this is interesting too, since you later propose a conspiracy theory of rainbows, obzy and jjd being mafia at night.

now here is also a huge contradiction. this is after the night kill.

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On April 08 2013 09:28 jrkirby wrote:
I guess my reads now are smancer, jarjar, and fishgle.


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On April 09 2013 14:30 jrkirby wrote:
I have a strong townread on obzy. The only reason I ever didn't was when he was defending rainbows and I thought rainbows was scum.

Ravens has felt fairly town to me for a while as well. I hate that he still wants to lynch rainbows even after rainbows survived a night claiming vigi. I also don't like his "mistake" with the voting on the first night, but I feel like that was really just a mistake. This is a noob game after all. Overall though, I don't think I want to lynch him today. Maybe day 3.

I might be ok lynching moloch but I don't have a good read on him either way. If someone presents a good case I'll think about it.

Smancer smells bad to me. I will vote for him if I think that the town is on my side.

Warent - Are you still on rainbow's case? - I don't like that he voted for him night one. Really, if someone reveals vigi, they're likely going to die. Either their lying and the real vigi will kill them, or the scum will (eventually) kill them. I'm guessing rainbows only has until the end of night 2. But scum does have roleblock, so he might have a bit longer. I hope we can lynch their roleblock, that would be nice. But Rainbows would probably accidentally shoot town. Well that was off topic. Anyways, I don't like warent for voting rainbows. Actually, come to think, ravens voted rainbows too. Shit this game is hard. I might lynch him tonight too.

+ Show Spoiler +
sorry I'm rambling and not focused on one topic here.


I don't think I want to lynch fishgle. He reads town. Yah he voted jampi, but I think he reads as town. I'll relook his filter if someone makes a good case on him.

Jarjar has made few posts, almost all against me. I thought he's make a good day one lynch because I had nothing good on him, only bad. But I think we can do better day 2. But please jarjar, say what you think of other people. Please? Don't focus on just one guy. There's 3 scum, so if you think I'm one, who are the other two? I don't wanna just vendetta you. You might just be town. But i could still see myself voting for you.


how the fuck did fishgle randomly change from being a scumread to townread? this makes no sense at all besides a very obvious scumslip. just explain this? if you are town, it shouldn't be too hard, you should be able to clearly demonstrate his transition from scumread to townread. and for that matter, you should told us why he was a scumread in the first place and a town read later.

also smancer smells bad? lol is he sweaty or what? where is your scumread, jrkirby? and why do you have to wait for someone to come to make a case and then bandwagon. this is weak stuff

lastly you play the noob card too much. though i understand this is newbie game, if you just use the noob card so much, town just misregards your opinion, which is useless agenda if you're town, but very convienent if you're scum since you can just blend in.

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On April 10 2013 03:27 jrkirby wrote:
Jarjar just keeps bringing up stuff from forever ago. Like me voting for ravens: I did that because at the time there was no one I had more of a scumread on. This is my first game of mafia here. Are you going to vote for me because my first vote on the first half first day turned out insubstantial and I retracted it? Me being suspicious of jampi - 1) I never voted for him. 2) I was clear on the fact I had no evidence. Why try to get me on that? Jarjar, your case is worthless.

Obzy - why might you vote for me? I'm sure you'd have a much better case than jarjar if you presented it.

I'm going to come back in several hours and probably vote for one of these four - smancer - jarjar - warent - theravensname. in that order of suspicion.


this is also too convienent for you to just come in and drop a vote without any scrutinizing.

at this point, you are scum - all your actions fit the perfect mold of scum.
##Vote jrkirby

die scum.


Jampi wasn't a bad town. He just made one bad case, and got lynched for it.

I presented all the evidence I could to try to save jampi. I don't know why my defending him is scummy at all.

The only reason I want to lynch stupid behaviour is because it looks like scum, and it helps scum. I was never very committed to lynching rainbows. At first I thought he was stupid, so I read that as scum, but after he claimed I realized that either he was going to die or he was just the stupidest vigi there was. Now he's just a terrible vigi.

I'm bad at scumreads. This is my first game. I'll go with what I'm most confident on, and say what I'm thinking, but that doesn't make it right.

Also, good case nobodywonder. If only you had put a case like this on someone who was actually scum.
[/spoiler]


[spoiler]
On April 10 2013 04:40 Smancer wrote:
Obzy, his case was good.

And to be honest, I am ready to vote for jkirby as well,

##Unvote
##Vote: jkirby


I pretty much have already built my case in the few posts before NW's case. My points were 1) His town read on you and saying he will vote Moloch if there is a case. 2) he is only going to vote for someone if he thinks town will follow him. 3) the amount of 1 liner responces / Lack of any content 4) his suspects me with no case. 5) he said he will "come back in a few hours to vote" this truely shows no sense of urgency for the town.

Moloch has addressed my case against him, and I like how he did it. He also all but completely disproved my second point in my case against him, that is, the unvote of Rainbows.

Whee! let's all ride the bandwagon!
Honestly I'm busy with life. I have things to do. Sometimes I have time for a lot of one liners, and that's it. I suspected you with no case, but note, I didn't vote you with no case.
[/spoiler]

Maybe next game I'll be better at reads and be better at defending myself. I guess it's not over yet - I can still try to defend myself.

Also a couple things to think about: if I'm scum, who am I with? Obzy? Moloch? Fishgle? theravensname? Probably not nobodywonder; his case on me was good.

When I flip town who are you going to go after? Jarjar? Nobodywonder? I'd prefer jarjar, but honestly I think I'm I'm lynched it's too late for town. Suddenly you'll find it 4 against 3 and a single mislynch is death. You haven't even got vigi to save your asses because rainbows is stupid. All you have left is the doctor, who might get a save off if you're lucky. It's still one mislynch away from doom and three scum left.

Anyone have any questions for me before you lynch me? Any at all?
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
April 09 2013 22:09 GMT
#680
Fishgle was never a strong scumread for me. Maybe 3-4 at some points in time when I read over his filter I think he hasn't done much so he's probably scum. Other times I just get the feeling that he's town. I don't know why.


Also, my post messed up.

##VOTE: JarJarDrinks
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
April 09 2013 22:15 GMT
#683
Warent seems a lot less scummy to me after his post against rainbows. I don't think it's right, but he has provided a logical reasons why he's voting for rainbows.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
April 09 2013 22:22 GMT
#685
Nobodywonder reads townie. He has a good case against me, it's well written,and he's been acting townie all game.

Smancer I'm not confident on. Sometimes I read his filter it seems town, somethimes it seems scum. More scum lately, but that's because Idon't agree with any of his votes, not because he hasn't reasons for them. I really wish he hadn't voted jampi, then I'd have a good townread on him.

Obzy - I hope he's town. If he's not, I really doubt we'll win. He reads town, acts town, and smells town.

Jarjar - obviosly I have scumread on him, because he's been tunneling me hard and hasn't posted substantive evidence against me.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
April 09 2013 22:24 GMT
#686
Obzy - you think smancers case was excellent, not nobodywonder's?
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
April 09 2013 22:30 GMT
#690
I really hope I'm not wrong on jarjar. If I am, and you lynch me, then we've pretty much lost this game.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
April 09 2013 22:47 GMT
#694
1) Jarjar has only ever said bad things about me and warent. He hasn't ever given his reads on everyone.
2) Jarjar has lurked quite a bit, especially day 1 and night 1.
3) He doesn't even seem to mind that we lynched the wrong dude day 1.
4) First, his case against me was me voting rainbows; I have already explained why this is weak: no one had much information at that point, and rainbows was my highest scumread, didn't last too long.
5) Then he hates me for my FOS on jampi which I never act upon. I never claimed it was particularly founded suspicion, just suspicion. Everyone has suspicions like this, it's just townies choose not to act on them until there's evidence. I just wanted people to know I was suspicious, and maybe bait a little scumslip if I was right.
6) Then he AFKs while we lynch jampi.
7) Never takes his vote off me, and never votes anyone else.
8) Never defends himself, always on the offensive. Like maybe he has a couple scumbuddies to help him if things get too rough. (Maybe this one's a stretch)
9)he says: "Reading rainbows as town mostly but that's due in part to believing that you're scum. He's talking alot which I like." But has less pages than anyone else alive (I'm pretty sure). (Kinda same as 2)
10) He doesn't offer any insights as to why things happen, no logical posts saying why (for example) saraf was shot.

I might have more on him if he actually said anything significant.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
April 09 2013 22:55 GMT
#699
If TRN had the same logic as Warent when he was against rainbows a while ago, I'd have a somewhat strong townread on him. As it is, I'm unsure on him. He could be with jarjar if jarjar is scum... I could definately see that.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
April 09 2013 23:02 GMT
#702
I don't know. It felt like a good idea at the time. Like if everyone said exactly how likely they thought everyone else was to be scum it might help. But looking back the percentages just seem distracting and useless.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
April 09 2013 23:02 GMT
#703
Last post @obzy
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
April 09 2013 23:05 GMT
#704
Moloch: Why do you trust rainbows? I understand not thinking him scum, as I don't think he's scum either. But I don't think he's got good reads, and he's just tunneling TRN for not a very good reason.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
April 09 2013 23:15 GMT
#708
Oh shit. Did anyone else realize I'm the only one who voted for Jarjar who's still alive? I didn't realize till this moment. I'm so alone.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
April 09 2013 23:29 GMT
#717
I wish I were more confidant about ravens. There's only a couple things I don't like about him, that I've already mentioned. His confusion about day 1 lynch, and his fixation on rainbows.

You and smancer could be right about this crazy ravens-rainbows theory. I don't exaclt buy it, but along with warent's post against rainbows it might have a chance of being right.

I also don't like that ravens isn't here right now. And the fact that his vote is on moloch.

I think I would be ok lynching him, but I wish I were more confidant on him. I wish he looked as bad to me as jarjar did.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
April 09 2013 23:32 GMT
#722
Can anyone else defend jarjar? And anyone want to note on the fact everyone other than me who's voted for him has died?
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
April 09 2013 23:37 GMT
#733
While I'd rather lynch raven than rainbows, I don't want to lynch either tonight.
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