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Okay the problem here is that If RoL were scum Idk if he'd kill VE.
I'm more inclined to believe Hopeless is scum, and Lazer is most likely his buddy.
Everyone who originally suspected Hopeless is dead.
Axle, shot. Risk, lynched. VE, shot. Now I'm the only one left.
Lazer played a huge role in redirecting the lynch away from his buddy Hopeless. Need I remind people of this wish-washy quote from LazeR?
On April 03 2013 18:14 Lazermonkey wrote:Hopeless is a decent lynch at most. But while that is the case, my last 2 games I played town with town Hopeless. Both games ended up with hopeless misslynched or vigi killed. Hopeless were making several basic errors in those games as well. These games were: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=373946 (mafia LVIII) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=392955 (dessert mini) To be fair, I don't see a clear diference between Hopeless play in those games and this game. This obviously doesn't make Hopless town but I really don't see how you are voting him over Sylencia at this point. And reading the thread doesn't exactly help me... Axle: I have no idea why you think hopeless is scum. Risk: You reasons for voting Hopeless is partly meta and partly the fact that he isn't scum hunting. The meta part I disagree with and the scum hunting part is something that Sylencia does far worse at. Also, why do you continously avoid taking a stance on Sylencia despite promising to do so? CC: You are voting hopeless for poor logic but guess what? That isn't alignment indicative. VE and Ghor I think have decent reasons to be on him atm. The reason I didn't say anything about this earlier is because I wanted Hopeless to defend himself rather than me do it for him, but since we are one vote away from killing him atm, my strategy has indeed failed.
Essentially, Lazer is calling Hopeless a decent lynch, but indicates that he could be townie and defends him via meta. Take a gander at the bolded: "This doesn't make Hopeless town, but we should totes mislynch Sylencia right now." Lazermonkey was leaving himself some room to bus in case things got hairy. After all, 4 townies were on the Hopeless lynch. He didn't want to hammer his buddy, and instead redirected the Syl lynch with the help of Town Ghor.
He also "wanted Hopeless to defend himself rather than me do it for him..." This quote speaks of association like I can't even imagine.
He also spent a lot of time defending Hopeless from the noose.
On April 04 2013 05:25 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 05:14 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm pseudo-around.
I'm coming around to the idea of a Sylencia lynch tbh. You wanna try and nudge me over the edge? Other than repeating what have already been said: I'd say Hopeless recent half-suicidal moves are something scum aren't very keen on doing normally.
On April 04 2013 03:51 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 00:21 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Why the hell are you defending Hopeless so hard, Lazer? On April 03 2013 18:14 Lazermonkey wrote:Hopeless is a decent lynch at most. But while that is the case, my last 2 games I played town with town Hopeless. Both games ended up with hopeless misslynched or vigi killed. Hopeless were making several basic errors in those games as well. These games were: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=373946 (mafia LVIII) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=392955 (dessert mini) To be fair, I don't see a clear diference between Hopeless play in those games and this game. This obviously doesn't make Hopless town but I really don't see how you are voting him over Sylencia at this point. And reading the thread doesn't exactly help me... Axle: I have no idea why you think hopeless is scum. Risk: You reasons for voting Hopeless is partly meta and partly the fact that he isn't scum hunting. The meta part I disagree with and the scum hunting part is something that Sylencia does far worse at. Also, why do you continously avoid taking a stance on Sylencia despite promising to do so? CC: You are voting hopeless for poor logic but guess what? That isn't alignment indicative. VE and Ghor I think have decent reasons to be on him atm. The reason I didn't say anything about this earlier is because I wanted Hopeless to defend himself rather than me do it for him, but since we are one vote away from killing him atm, my strategy has indeed failed. It's funny you mention my and VE's vote for Hopeless. We are voting him for the exact same reasons. We pushed him at the same time. I have no idea why you like VE's reasons better, because they are the same. You think Hopeless is a 'decent lynch' but hard-defend the guy. In order for him to be a decent lynch you must have some sort of scum read on him --- and then proceed to contradict yourself by calling him town via meta. Then you say it's not even concrete evidence... What the heck is your stance on Hopeless? You seem nervous about him flipping. VE also mentioned how he lied about having his vote on Ghor, something that I find a far better reason to vote him than poor logic. I'm not saying Hopeless is town or scum, I think this is quite clear in my post. He does indeed play scummy and isn't really helping town alot. Hence he is an okay lynch. But he plays similar to this in his town games, which makes it hard to determine if he is scum or not. This makes hopeless lynch a very risky lynch imo.
On April 03 2013 06:57 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 06:49 Hopeless1der wrote:
here`s my question, considering people accuse me of being a hypocrite. Do you think I`m just trying to be disruptive or that I`m trying to save sylencia? It should be a minimum of one of those, right? I don't know. You being a hypocrite is actually not alignment indicative imo. What I do know is that you are calling out Ghor for stuff that you are doing yourself. So stop that.
Day 1, Lazer refused to give a concrete read on Hopeless, and instead referred to him as "Oh, town or scum". He plays scummy but dat meta stuff makes me think he's kinda townie. He's also really scummy but too scummy to be scum guise.
They also haven't voted each other this ENTIRE GAME. Hopeless has been lurky, scummy, etc etc. Lazer has been antagonistic towards myself, pushed the mislynch day 1, and played all over the place on D2 with his vote on VE by the end.
Hopeless and Lazermonkey, I'll lynch either of those guys today. 2 out of 3 of these dudes is scum. And I think I've got the two right here.
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On April 10 2013 00:20 Ghor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 23:57 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
I kinda figured you were medic after you asked for protection, Ghor. My first game as doctor I did the same exact thing night 1, and got killed :p. I was hoping scum didn't pick up on that and kill you l0l. Heh, scum didn't figure it out this time :d . Who do you think are the two scum between RoL, LM and hopeless? I am most sure about RoL currently but his scumbuddy sure does a good job. A few things I caught up while rereading: Hopeless attacked risk saying "Risk knows CC is town", the early "scumslip". While it wasn't a scumslip, it would speak for a scum hopeless cause he might know you're town (assuming you are) and immediately interpreted that post by risk as scummy according to his prior major knowledge. Hopeless also has shown inconsistency regarding RoL. + Show Spoiler +On April 07 2013 05:01 Hopeless1der wrote:both RoL and I have zero votes on us. Explain to me how I'm responsible for playing the game for you. The fact that people are A) willing to do nothing until we return and B) wont vote us in the interim suggests to me that RoL is town. Ghor has made perfect sense regarding what he finds suspicious about risk.nuke. Lazer, you made some reference to ghor is trying to cover up a lie. Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 23:59 Lazermonkey wrote:On April 05 2013 23:48 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Hey Lazer, got a minute to talk? I need to shine my mind-control beams through your eyes some more.
What do you think about Risk in the past few pages? He is making sense alot of sense. Ghor is trying to justify his lie by bringing up the most crazy fucking accusations I've seen in a while. What about you? Can you clarify what was going on here, because I thought ghor was going after risk, and you seemed concerned about CC for some reason. On April 07 2013 13:03 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 12:17 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Alright fuck this. We are killing VisceraEyes because I said so.
##vote: VisceraEyes
If cheesecake was scum this thread would not be dead and people would be talking. We are most likely barking up the wrong tree so fuck it. We are killing VisceraEyes because I said so and I don't feel like providing any other reasoning apart from saying that he is one of 3 people I am suspicious of.
DO IT UP ![[image loading]](http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/list/000/314/419/d06.gif) ##Unvote:risk.nuke
##Vote: RebirthOfLeGenD LM defended both hopeless and RoL as lynch bait, but said hopeless was an ok lynch after being asked. He didn't defend Sylencia as lynch bait. His attack on RoL was fairly unserious and his arguments inconsistent, and he attacked a lot of his former townreads during D2, but without really sticking to them.
He did say "Hopeless is a decent lynch" however, I think it was a preparation for a bus. The 3 options are:
Lazer - RoL
Lazer - Hopeless
RoL- Hopeless
RoL blatantly said he had a fairly strong town read on Lazer day 2. I don't think scum would do that, as they are more inclinded to give a slight scummy or slight town read, as opposed to a strong one.
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On April 10 2013 00:28 Ghor wrote:Show nested quote +RoL blatantly said he had a fairly strong town read on Lazer day 2. I don't think scum would do that, as they are more inclinded to give a slight scummy or slight town read, as opposed to a strong one. Scum Blazinghand in "The game" actually defended lynchbait townies the hardest while keeping himself doors open for bussing regarding his teammates. I wouldn't use that heuristic.
Except Lazer wasn't lynchbait, RoL was the lynchbait. RoL gave Lazer a strong-as-hell townie read which is just begging for #associations later if they are scumbuddies.
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On April 10 2013 00:28 Ghor wrote:Show nested quote +RoL blatantly said he had a fairly strong town read on Lazer day 2. I don't think scum would do that, as they are more inclinded to give a slight scummy or slight town read, as opposed to a strong one. Scum Blazinghand in "The game" actually defended lynchbait townies the hardest while keeping himself doors open for bussing regarding his teammates. I wouldn't use that heuristic.
In fact, you actually prove my point. Lazer defended both Hopeless and RoL and had outs with pretty much either one, especially Hopeless.
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Hmm... I can't really see the possibility of a Hopeless + RoL team. They were both lurky fucks the entire game and did stupid shit.
Do you think they both could be scum? Personally, I actually just want to lynch the shit out of Lazer right now.
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On April 10 2013 00:56 Ghor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2013 00:41 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Hmm... I can't really see the possibility of a Hopeless + RoL team. They were both lurky fucks the entire game and did stupid shit.
Do you think they both could be scum? Personally, I actually just want to lynch the shit out of Lazer right now. From what I gained so far you wouldn't lynch RoL?
Nope, not yet. Scumteam is probably Lazer + 1 of the two others. That's how I see it. We just have to figure out who the other one is. I'm leaning Hopeless quite hard atm.
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On April 10 2013 01:46 Ghor wrote:
The problem with your choice, CC, is that all of your case against LM is connection-based, whereas my arguments against RoL are about his lack of discussion, him being too sure about his reads and too quick to hammer. I barely see RoL being in doubt about people, instead he drops cases and pursues them without double-checking, at a stage where I don't manage to be sure about anyone. That looks to me like he doesn't really have doubts about people's alignment but just picks people to lynch and lays back waiting for town to hammer.
Even when he announced he had time to be more active I didn't see the discussion and information digging I'd expect from him.
So at the moment, we have these people wanting to lynch:
CC: Lazermonkey, Hopeless
Me: RoL and someone I don't know yet. I'm not sure about CC either.
Hopeless, RoL, LM. Please state your lynch choices.
I do this so much at lylo, haha.
But LM is scummy on his own. He pushed for the Syl mislynch and let you do most of the work (you, after all, posted that giant case while LM was like 'eeeeeeeeh we should lynch syl over hopeless guys...' Day 2, he voted RoL weakly. Then sheeped my vote on you. Then voted VE when his scumread RoL came back. He also made sure his vote was as far away from Risk as humanly possible and barely ever commented on him. I think he knew town was going to push the lynch through without his help.
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I dont think RoL / CC scumteam is possible. because im town.
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I suggest not voting for a while. We cant hammer scum without me.
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Will discuss more when i get home from work.
That ending was hilariously fail on my end hahaha
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On April 10 2013 10:28 Promethelax wrote:
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
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I was manipulating my scumbuddy like a boss.
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wanted to lynch me + we thought he was protected n1 so it was a good nk.
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