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And a lot of people thought he was scum. The NK has nothing to do with an alignment, imo.
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HOPELESS
Do you not think Ghor is scum still? You said you were 'less convinced' but I don't recall anything recently regarding Ghor. You seem to arise the minute RoL comes in and vote him for doing a stupid VE vote.
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LAZER YOU CALL EVERYONE LYNCH BAIT STOP IT
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On April 09 2013 02:25 Ghor wrote:
A few observations about the votecounts:
- risk and CC always vote for the same stuff. But CC has risk as scum.
- Risk and CC tried to switch last minute to Sylencia, but apparently didn't play a role in the lynch. Why didn't they summarize their points against Hopeless before the lynch?
First point: Risk wasn't up on my reads until today. We both wanted to kill Hopeless, and for that I <3'd him. I think one of Ghor / Risk is scum and I'm weighing the two decisions. The fact that Risk sheeped me on you doesn't help the case against him, and it's one of the reasons I'm apprehensive about lynching you Ghor over Risk.
Second: I was on my phone at work, hiding it under a table. Hard to summarize pointed when you can't quote, etc. I had already big posts on Hopeless, if people wanted a refresher they could have looked at them.
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On April 09 2013 02:46 Ghor wrote:
Cheese there's one thing I absolutely don't understand. Hopeless looks even more terrible than during the last day and you and risk don't care at all about him. That looks irrational, his commitment and interest into the game dropped a lot since he's not up for lynch, he wants to hammer fast, and he doesn't seem to care about who gets lynched.
I would argue that Hopeless looked worst yesterday.
Today he's just being retarded, which unfortunately doesn't infer alignment.
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I would have pressured him more, but we got caught up in the Ghor - Risk debates and VE yelling at me, and RoL coming in to stir the pot that nobody has really had any time to conceive of a Hopeless lynch.
Maybe that should change?
At the very least, he should speak.
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On April 09 2013 02:58 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 02:42 Ghor wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 09 2013 02:35 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 09:12 Ghor wrote:
RoL, why do I just have no idea what your alignment is? I went through Bang Bang, Storm Mafia, LVIII. Were you town in BB and SM?
Can you give me an opinion on Lazermonkey and what you think of him being the only one calling you lynch bait when everyone else has no fucking clue or thinks you're scum? While I'm obviously not RoL (duh -.-), I want to expand a little bit on this as it is the main reason I'm voting VE. RoL were for all of D1 and during the beginning of D2 a lurker. When he actually started to post during D2, the first thing he did was to vote VE without any reasoning what so ever and then asking if everyone else were happy with killing VE. This is bad town play. But also terrible terrible scum play. VE should be good enough to know this. but yet he votes RoL. And I'm not calling RoL town for this, in fact he could be scum with VE. But that's not the point. The point is that VE was not voting or suspecting RoL during the time he lurked but only when he derped, trying to justify a vote for RoLs bad play, even though it's not indicative of RoL being scum. I've seen scum play obviously anti-town or "too scummy to be scum" as well. That defense is a little wifomy. Check out Dandel Ion in British Mafia II, he was trolling and not giving a fuck about the game all day. We need to find out who's actually disinterested in finding scum. Who looks too sure too quickly about his reads.Who wants to hammer fast. Who's only active when under pressure. If scum plays well they can simulate these points but given that the thread was so dead I don't think they have felt the need to put much effort into the game unless you poke them with threats. And that's what we should be doing now. I think you are missundestanding my argument. I'm not saying RoL is too scum to be scum. I'm saying VE is voting RoL for a completely shit reason. A non-alignment indicative reason. That + the fact that RoL was a lynch bait at that point makes me think VE is scum.
You think VE is scum, but I'm also scum? K.
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I don't think VE is scum, and most certainly not with hopeless.
I brought up something on Hopeless, and he said basically:
"OH, THANK YOU FOR MENTIONING THIS, ALLOW ME TO STEER THIS WAGON FOR YOU"
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On April 09 2013 03:11 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 03:00 Ghor wrote:You have VE as scumread, shouldn't it make you skeptical that he only soft-pushed hopeless during D1 while seeking for reasons to switch to sylencia? On April 09 2013 00:39 Ghor wrote:After this part, I went back through something and I'd like to play some advocatus diaboli with myself. Before the D1 lynch, VE claimed that he wanted to lynch hopeless, and asked people to convince him to prefer Sylencia over Hopeless. Before slowly moving to Sylencia, he actually called hopeless scummy for something, but never voted for him or pushed his lynch afterwards (and a lot in town wanted to lynch hopeless) On April 03 2013 06:51 VisceraEyes wrote:I feel like he got caught with his pants down trying to tiptoe around a risk.nuke lynch. He was indirectly supporting the risk.nuke wagon without adding his vote. Regardless of risk.nuke's alignment, that's a suspicious action out of Hopeless. If at the time he felt like risk.nuke was scum (which his whole association BS is supposing) then there's no reason for him to be indirectly supporting the wagon while trying to start a counter-wagon on someone else. Furthermore he lied about it in the thread. Observe. On April 03 2013 01:32 Hopeless1der wrote:On April 03 2013 01:14 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Hopeless... On April 02 2013 10:49 Hopeless1der wrote:On April 02 2013 10:44 risk.nuke wrote:On April 02 2013 10:29 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
##unvote: VE
##Vote: Risk.nuke
It's like you brought up the Kenpachi rule just to see if someone else was willing to run with it and kill me. Wanting townies to do your work for you? Why would I fake a perfectly legit argument? On April 02 2013 09:50 risk.nuke wrote:On April 02 2013 09:47 VisceraEyes wrote:On April 02 2013 09:45 risk.nuke wrote:
VE, RoL. If you're going to tunnel-bitch-argue in the thread atleast argue about something remotely relevant. If you're going to criticize me for anything, you should answer questions posed of you first. Do you think RoL is scum for "contesting" my "claim" a la Kenpachi Rule? No I don't. Doesn't seem all that legit to me.
On April 02 2013 08:44 risk.nuke wrote:On April 02 2013 08:39 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On April 02 2013 08:37 risk.nuke wrote:
Worst vote ever. On the contrary, best vote ever. I would argue that putting your vote on a townie is greatly suboptimal. Also, scumslip in that he knows CC is town. At this point in time risk had 3 votes on him. You kinda threw some shit at him and called him scummy. What was your intention with this post? I think risk is scummy but didn't want the day to end that soon. Also wanted to see if anyone agreed with my assessment of the supposed scumslip. Ghor is annoying as all hell and his intentions behind voting sylencia do not match with his scum read on risk.nuke. He wants sylencia to commit to some type of a read on risk and when he refuses to do so, calls him scum for it. No where does he validate why this is scummy. Combine that with what appears to be a trolling smurf hellbent on behaving like a caveman, and I think he's a good choice for lynch. On April 03 2013 01:48 Hopeless1der wrote:On April 03 2013 01:46 VisceraEyes wrote:
Hopeless if you really felt that way your vote would be on risk.nuke. You're accusing Ghor of being risk's "scumbuddy" because he's not voting for risk. What the hell are you doing? Not voting for risk. You say Ghor is attacking Sylencia in lieu of pushing risk.nuke. What are you doing? Attacking Ghor in lieu of pushing risk.nuke. Your play is wholly and completely contradictory and scummy as sin. Do you have anything to say for yourself? My vote on ghor was to get him to answer my bloody question about his stance on risk instead of directing me to his filter. ##Unvote: Ghor
##Vote: risk.nuke When confronted about his vote on Ghor he says it was to get him to answer his question, but as you can see from the first post, he clearly says that he feels like Ghor should be considered for lynch today. Inconsistent. Scummy. Which is something that I could see VE doing if he's hopeless' scumbuddy. And I don't see how he just completely skips the strong point he's made against hopeless to ask people to win him over to a sylencia lynch. Opinions please? I wouldn't say he soft pushed hopeless. He was quite active in pushing hopeless and was AFAIK the first person to vote him. If hopeless does flip scum, however, I do think that it makes VE look worse.
I agree with the first part.
The second part not so much. Okay so VE hard-pushed Hopeless. Hopeless flips scum. How does that make VE look bad?
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On April 09 2013 03:14 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 03:12 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On April 09 2013 03:11 Lazermonkey wrote:On April 09 2013 03:00 Ghor wrote:You have VE as scumread, shouldn't it make you skeptical that he only soft-pushed hopeless during D1 while seeking for reasons to switch to sylencia? On April 09 2013 00:39 Ghor wrote:After this part, I went back through something and I'd like to play some advocatus diaboli with myself. Before the D1 lynch, VE claimed that he wanted to lynch hopeless, and asked people to convince him to prefer Sylencia over Hopeless. Before slowly moving to Sylencia, he actually called hopeless scummy for something, but never voted for him or pushed his lynch afterwards (and a lot in town wanted to lynch hopeless) On April 03 2013 06:51 VisceraEyes wrote:I feel like he got caught with his pants down trying to tiptoe around a risk.nuke lynch. He was indirectly supporting the risk.nuke wagon without adding his vote. Regardless of risk.nuke's alignment, that's a suspicious action out of Hopeless. If at the time he felt like risk.nuke was scum (which his whole association BS is supposing) then there's no reason for him to be indirectly supporting the wagon while trying to start a counter-wagon on someone else. Furthermore he lied about it in the thread. Observe. On April 03 2013 01:32 Hopeless1der wrote:On April 03 2013 01:14 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Hopeless... On April 02 2013 10:49 Hopeless1der wrote:On April 02 2013 10:44 risk.nuke wrote:
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Why would I fake a perfectly legit argument? On April 02 2013 09:50 risk.nuke wrote:
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No I don't. Doesn't seem all that legit to me.
On April 02 2013 08:44 risk.nuke wrote:
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I would argue that putting your vote on a townie is greatly suboptimal. Also, scumslip in that he knows CC is town. At this point in time risk had 3 votes on him. You kinda threw some shit at him and called him scummy. What was your intention with this post? I think risk is scummy but didn't want the day to end that soon. Also wanted to see if anyone agreed with my assessment of the supposed scumslip. Ghor is annoying as all hell and his intentions behind voting sylencia do not match with his scum read on risk.nuke. He wants sylencia to commit to some type of a read on risk and when he refuses to do so, calls him scum for it. No where does he validate why this is scummy. Combine that with what appears to be a trolling smurf hellbent on behaving like a caveman, and I think he's a good choice for lynch. On April 03 2013 01:48 Hopeless1der wrote:On April 03 2013 01:46 VisceraEyes wrote:
Hopeless if you really felt that way your vote would be on risk.nuke. You're accusing Ghor of being risk's "scumbuddy" because he's not voting for risk. What the hell are you doing? Not voting for risk. You say Ghor is attacking Sylencia in lieu of pushing risk.nuke. What are you doing? Attacking Ghor in lieu of pushing risk.nuke. Your play is wholly and completely contradictory and scummy as sin. Do you have anything to say for yourself? My vote on ghor was to get him to answer my bloody question about his stance on risk instead of directing me to his filter. ##Unvote: Ghor
##Vote: risk.nuke When confronted about his vote on Ghor he says it was to get him to answer his question, but as you can see from the first post, he clearly says that he feels like Ghor should be considered for lynch today. Inconsistent. Scummy. Which is something that I could see VE doing if he's hopeless' scumbuddy. And I don't see how he just completely skips the strong point he's made against hopeless to ask people to win him over to a sylencia lynch. Opinions please? I wouldn't say he soft pushed hopeless. He was quite active in pushing hopeless and was AFAIK the first person to vote him. If hopeless does flip scum, however, I do think that it makes VE look worse. I agree with the first part. The second part not so much. Okay so VE hard-pushed Hopeless. Hopeless flips scum. How does that make VE look bad? Because he looked for an opportunity to jump over to the Sylencia wagon.
And he called out his buddy with me and got him to L-1 if I'm correct?
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Stupid logic to me. Anyway, I'd like to wrap this lynch up soon. If we have another "FUCK, LAST MINUTE HAMMER" situation things will not turn out well.
Hopeless, I said speak, not vote!
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On April 09 2013 03:36 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 03:35 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Stupid logic to me. Anyway, I'd like to wrap this lynch up soon. If we have another "FUCK, LAST MINUTE HAMMER" situation things will not turn out well.
Hopeless, I said speak, not vote! I have revised my read on ghor to town. risk is still scum and I want him dead today.
This is all I have ever wanted from you.
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ALL 3 OF US ARE SCUM, WE WERE RIGHT EARLIER!!!
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On April 09 2013 05:01 Lazermonkey wrote:fixed
Actually make a case or something kk? Stop not doing shit and make shit happen.
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Lazer you're the only guy that never thought, from what i can recall, that risk is scum. Have you even interacted with him this game?
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We shouldnt talk anymore.
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Wow...
Nobody vote until we're absolutely-friggen-sure who we want to kill. Doctor, I suggest you claim.
I need a drink.
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If doctor claims then 2 of the 3 remaining people are scum. I like dem odds.
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I kinda figured you were medic after you asked for protection, Ghor. My first game as doctor I did the same exact thing night 1, and got killed :p. I was hoping scum didn't pick up on that and kill you l0l.
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