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Hopeless1der
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Hopeless1der
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On April 03 2013 06:51 VisceraEyes wrote: I feel like he got caught with his pants down trying to tiptoe around a risk.nuke lynch. He was indirectly supporting the risk.nuke wagon without adding his vote. Regardless of risk.nuke's alignment, that's a suspicious action out of Hopeless. If at the time he felt like risk.nuke was scum (which his whole association BS is supposing) then there's no reason for him to be indirectly supporting the wagon while trying to start a counter-wagon on someone else. Furthermore he lied about it in the thread. Observe. When confronted about his vote on Ghor he says it was to get him to answer his question, but as you can see from the first post, he clearly says that he feels like Ghor should be considered for lynch today. Inconsistent. Scummy. I believe the scumteam is both ghor and risk.nuke. My vote came down as follows: + Show Spoiler + On April 03 2013 00:11 Hopeless1der wrote: ghor, do you think risk is scum? On April 03 2013 00:18 Ghor wrote: Ghor not understand why people ask questions about risk, people not read properly ghor posts?read thread then come back with good question please. only update is ghor not think RoL that scummy any more, but not like initial play. now better. risk talk about fluff after he say he not like doing content of his fluff (policy). his defense, bad, he contradict. On April 03 2013 00:25 Hopeless1der wrote: ##Vote: Ghor Do you think risk.nuke is scum? My vote was for the explicit purpose to get him to [answer the question, not because I thought he was scum (I thought he was scum but that was not the reason for voting him). Since then I've become more confident in my read. You didn't catch me tiptoeing around anything. I directly supported a risk.nuke lynch, but neglected to vote in for him at the time. This was to ensure people didn't flip out and say OMG UNVOTE BEFORE HAMMER. Since then, I've developed a scum read on Ghor as well. I'm perfectly willing to swap back and forth between the two of them all day. ##Unvote: risk.nuke ##Vote: Ghor | ||
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Hopeless1der
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On April 03 2013 06:55 VisceraEyes wrote: Hopeless who even said anything about you saving Sylencia? What are you talking about? What do you believe my motive to be? Trying to put myself in your shoes, I'd suspect (Scum-Hopeless) of being disruptive and/or trying to save (Scum-Sylencia). by the way, inherent in reading two people as scum is everyone else is town. | ||
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Hopeless1der
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On April 03 2013 18:18 Lazermonkey wrote: Also, don't hammer yet... This. Today has a self imposed deadline, take every second of it that you can get. It is way more scum motivated to want to end the day early. I could understand if you're that confident I'm scum but nevertheless, don't hammer me, I want to get something meaningful into the thread. Is day 1 a plurality lynch or do we still have to reach a majority before the 48 hours is up? I don't have time to reread who's voting me and why etc right this minute, so give me a couple hours to get back please. | ||
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Hopeless1der
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On April 03 2013 21:48 iamperfection wrote: as a reminder as there appears to be some confusion I meant what happens if the deadline passes and a majority is not reached? Is that a no-lynch or a plurality lynch? | ||
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On April 03 2013 22:08 AxleGreaser wrote: No I don't seriously believe you think there are 3 scum in 9 player game. Who is your top scum read? risk > ghor at the moment, but I haven't re-read ghor yet. working on a risk case now. | ||
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Hopeless1der
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Hes a trolly jerkface who insulted my literacy skills. Also, relatively insistent that risk.nuke is scum, but wont hammer in order to find the "other scum". Upon finding said scum (sylencia), doesn't want to hammer risk.nuke anymore. Granted, I'm sailing the same boat but whatever.. | ||
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Hopeless1der
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On April 03 2013 22:24 Lazermonkey wrote: So you confess that you are looking scummy or what? I always look scummy, you're the one who's been defending me on that concept. | ||
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Hopeless1der
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Let me try again and actually explain why this shows a scum mentality. On April 02 2013 08:44 risk.nuke wrote: I would argue that putting your vote on a townie is greatly suboptimal. 1) Soft-claim town. He didn't say "I'M TOWN", he said voting a townie is bad. 2) Now, I'm making some pretty blanket statements here, but I would expect: - Scum want to kill townies. - Townies want to kill scum. - Townies do not want to kill townies. The assumption of this post is that CC is town and should not want other townies to die. <---This is what I am calling as the slip, risk knows CC is town. + Show Spoiler + [CONFIRMATION BIAS] On April 02 2013 08:48 risk.nuke wrote: You want me to spoil the ending and hand you the key to the test? He has the answer key *hint hint* [/CONFIRMATION BIAS] risk.nuke is the original proponent of the Kenpachi rule in this game. He did this for no other reason than an errant observation. No alignment indicative thoughts on it. VE made his point about it already: + Show Spoiler + On April 02 2013 10:15 VisceraEyes wrote: I had a similar thought regarding risk.nuke. Why bring up the Kenpachi Rule at all if he had no intention of following it? My thoughts brought me to "He's scummy". He's either: 1) Scum trying to incriminate RoL innocuously by "joking" about Kenpachi Rule. 2) Town trying to trap someone into agreeing with his assessment and voting RoL. I ruled out 2 by asking him if he thought RoL was scum because of it, and he doesn't, which leaves 1). ##Vote: risk.nuke Conversely I'm very null on RoL. Abhorring my play-style is very NOT alignment indicative for that guy. Something I notice reading risk's filter is he keeps trying to defend himself regarding his handling of the Kenpachi Rule, saying that people have different opinions and that he doesn't use methods like that to find scum. However, when initially called out by VE, he insists that he was scumhunting Its not so much a backpedal as it is him trying to "say the right things" to me. Over the course of an hour, risk twice tells VE/RoL to stop tunneling On April 02 2013 09:45 risk.nuke wrote: VE, RoL. If you're going to tunnel-bitch-argue in the thread atleast argue about something remotely relevant. On April 02 2013 10:46 risk.nuke wrote: Will you please god damn stop tunneling? The thread have talked about it, I assume you read the thread? But does nothing to steer the direction himself, just has a voice to tell them to stop whatever it is that they are doing (later on this was ganging up on him). risk.nuke moves on to accuse me of not really being interested in finding scum, while at the same time calling EVERY NON-POSTING PERSON SCUMMY. + Show Spoiler + On April 02 2013 11:07 risk.nuke wrote: Viscera. Tunneling isn't about time, it's about not having an open mind. You lashed out at me instantly and agressively for the smallest thing so clearly you're looking at me as if I am scum and are trying to find things things that are scummy about me to confirm that belief. Aka tunneling. You want REAL scummy shit. Everyone that's not posting are scummier then those who are posting. For 2, I personally think Hopeless1der look very uninterested in finding scum. He goes to bed shortly after this, and upon waking up promises his "case" on On April 02 2013 20:58 risk.nuke wrote: Hopeless1der it started with this post. He's pretty much around but doesn't do anything or comments on anything of worth. His three posts tells us he was around and this is what he choose to comment on? Compare to other filters, dessert fruity His other two posts one is a sheep-post where he talks briefly about hammers, which is fine but it doesn't really add anything. The second and last one is some cheap shots which mostly just serve to tell us he's not reading the thread and if he is he's just skimming through it without caring when we're 1½ pages. Really, it started with my second post in the game? Bro, I had 3 posts at the time of this "case". Read my first 3 posts of both of those filters and compare them to my first 3 posts here. If you can honestly tell me I look 100% scummier in this game than those 2, then fuck it, hammer me right goddamn now. On April 03 2013 14:27 risk.nuke wrote: We're not lynching anyone other then hopeless. RoL you got to be joking if you think that we're going to lynch cheesecake first. While I agree with your posts and I had some thoughts in simmilar direction last night. It's still a weaker case then on hopeless. I don't like how you haven't talked about me since your vote and I would like you to comment further on me and hopeless. Hopeless is obvious scum and has pretty much given up by now. This is not how he plays as town. And Ghor's post are not hard to read. If you disregard the fact that he speaks in third person and often don't use capital letters they're actually very simple to read and even efficiently phrased. Sylencia. Who do you want to kill? I want to know how I play as town, risk. Please show me. risk.nuke's scumread on me is very weak imo, and he cites my meta as his main argument without demonstrating how I've deviated from my town meta or adhered to my scum meta. He's just made the statement that I'm not playing my town game and that I'm obvious scum. This is an incredibly lazy stance to take, and I want to see it substantiated before I die if possible. Alternatively, I'd like to see risk.nuke swing. | ||
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Hopeless1der
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Okay, back to why risk.nuke is scum: Let me try again and actually explain why this shows a scum mentality. On April 02 2013 08:44 risk.nuke wrote: I would argue that putting your vote on a townie is greatly suboptimal. 1) Soft-claim town. He didn't say "I'M TOWN", he said voting a townie is bad. 2) Now, I'm making some pretty blanket statements here, but I would expect: - Scum want to kill townies. - Townies want to kill scum. - Townies do not want to kill townies. The assumption of this post is that CC is town and should not want other townies to die. <---This is what I am calling as the slip, risk knows CC is town. + Show Spoiler + [CONFIRMATION BIAS] On April 02 2013 08:48 risk.nuke wrote: You want me to spoil the ending and hand you the key to the test? He has the answer key *hint hint* [/CONFIRMATION BIAS] risk.nuke is the original proponent of the Kenpachi rule in this game. He did this for no other reason than an errant observation. No alignment indicative thoughts on it. VE made his point about it already: + Show Spoiler + On April 02 2013 10:15 VisceraEyes wrote: I had a similar thought regarding risk.nuke. Why bring up the Kenpachi Rule at all if he had no intention of following it? My thoughts brought me to "He's scummy". He's either: 1) Scum trying to incriminate RoL innocuously by "joking" about Kenpachi Rule. 2) Town trying to trap someone into agreeing with his assessment and voting RoL. I ruled out 2 by asking him if he thought RoL was scum because of it, and he doesn't, which leaves 1). ##Vote: risk.nuke Conversely I'm very null on RoL. Abhorring my play-style is very NOT alignment indicative for that guy. Something I notice reading risk's filter is he keeps trying to defend himself regarding his handling of the Kenpachi Rule, saying that people have different opinions and that he doesn't use methods like that to find scum. However, when initially called out by VE, he insists that he was scumhunting Its not so much a backpedal as it is him trying to "say the right things" to me. Over the course of an hour, risk twice tells VE/RoL to stop tunneling On April 02 2013 09:45 risk.nuke wrote: VE, RoL. If you're going to tunnel-bitch-argue in the thread atleast argue about something remotely relevant. On April 02 2013 10:46 risk.nuke wrote: Will you please god damn stop tunneling? The thread have talked about it, I assume you read the thread? But does nothing to steer the direction himself, just has a voice to tell them to stop whatever it is that they are doing (later on this was ganging up on him). risk.nuke moves on to accuse me of not really being interested in finding scum, while at the same time calling EVERY NON-POSTING PERSON SCUMMY. + Show Spoiler + On April 02 2013 11:07 risk.nuke wrote: Viscera. Tunneling isn't about time, it's about not having an open mind. You lashed out at me instantly and agressively for the smallest thing so clearly you're looking at me as if I am scum and are trying to find things things that are scummy about me to confirm that belief. Aka tunneling. You want REAL scummy shit. Everyone that's not posting are scummier then those who are posting. For 2, I personally think Hopeless1der look very uninterested in finding scum. He goes to bed shortly after this, and upon waking up promises his "case" on On April 02 2013 20:58 risk.nuke wrote: Hopeless1der it started with this post. He's pretty much around but doesn't do anything or comments on anything of worth. His three posts tells us he was around and this is what he choose to comment on? Compare to other filters, dessert fruity His other two posts one is a sheep-post where he talks briefly about hammers, which is fine but it doesn't really add anything. The second and last one is some cheap shots which mostly just serve to tell us he's not reading the thread and if he is he's just skimming through it without caring when we're 1½ pages. Really, it started with my second post in the game? Bro, I had 3 posts at the time of this "case". Read my first 3 posts of both of those filters and compare them to my first 3 posts here. If you can honestly tell me I look 100% scummier in this game than those 2, then fuck it, hammer me right goddamn now. On April 03 2013 14:27 risk.nuke wrote: We're not lynching anyone other then hopeless. RoL you got to be joking if you think that we're going to lynch cheesecake first. While I agree with your posts and I had some thoughts in simmilar direction last night. It's still a weaker case then on hopeless. I don't like how you haven't talked about me since your vote and I would like you to comment further on me and hopeless. Hopeless is obvious scum and has pretty much given up by now. This is not how he plays as town. And Ghor's post are not hard to read. If you disregard the fact that he speaks in third person and often don't use capital letters they're actually very simple to read and even efficiently phrased. Sylencia. Who do you want to kill? I want to know how I play as town, risk. Please show me. risk.nuke's scumread on me is very weak imo, and he cites my meta as his main argument without demonstrating how I've deviated from my town meta or adhered to my scum meta. He's just made the statement that I'm not playing my town game and that I'm obvious scum. This is an incredibly lazy stance to take, and I want to see it substantiated before I die if possible. Alternatively, I'd like to see risk.nuke swing. | ||
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Hopeless1der
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On April 03 2013 22:34 Lazermonkey wrote: Yes, I was just slightly suprised to see you defend yourself in that matter... Wouldn't be the first time. (Looney Lynching) | ||
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Hopeless1der
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On April 03 2013 22:36 AxleGreaser wrote: That's strange... while that is where in your filter you first started mentioning Ghor... I did indeed find the argument over the scum slip interesting. In this post You indicate that it was him not agreeing with your assessment of the scumslip. Now that is important to me in assessing the genuine nature of your scum hunting. it strike me that if you are reacting emotively to "a trolly jerkface who insulted my literacy skills" and when you find out that what you claimed was what originally put you onto him then at best you are seriously tunnel visioned... Wine that is easier to drink is that, you are scum, and not interested in whether or not your read started from false premise. (the false premise is Ghor not liking your scum slip indicated to you, he was scum) Its true that is not strong indicator, its true if I had better candidate id vote lynch them. Its not the only thing I said in that post by rather long shot. As you have noted its not possible that all the people who don't think that was scum slip are scum, there are just too many of us. So yes I regard that you do not seem to go back and actually critically evaluate your reads as scum indicative. it simply doesn't feel like genuine searching for the truth, just a glove that does or does not fit. BTW. I got a bad feeling the trolly jerk face probably fell off his chair when he read your last post. He insulted my literacy skills regarding the scumslip: + Show Spoiler + On April 02 2013 11:13 Ghor wrote: + Show Spoiler + On April 02 2013 10:49 Hopeless1der wrote: Doesn't seem all that legit to me. Also, scumslip in that he knows CC is town. ghor think contradiction also very strong point.but ghor want long day. risk ok, risk on chopping block but no axe soon, axe later. wait for other information, milk day, find other scum. but that no scumslip, that was cc voting risk and risk saying he town and vote bad, you read thread pls hopeless.no offense. For low probability that risk do stupid mistake as town, 3 vote on risk mean scum can kill risk together. if risk town he can play harder than everyone else now and know if he does not, he dead. but need other opinion from not posting people first. no go quick with axe. Ploha. Oh wait he said "No offense". Clearly he has no malicious intent. | ||
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On April 03 2013 07:18 VisceraEyes wrote: Noted. I'm rereading right now. I totally missed that Ghor had made a case on Sylencia. I'm gonna go read that part of the day in context and see what I see. @VE for when you return, what came of this? @axle what in the actual fuck, i dont even? | ||
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On April 04 2013 00:52 Ghor wrote: Ghor very curious why hopeless never ask scummy sylencia why he want vote him. scummy sylencia only skating by hopeless lynch. and hopeless hardly mention sylencia or comment on what ghor said.look like not exist for each other in thread, maybe only in qt. sylencia not ask scumread CC question.sylencia not ask hopeless question. sylencia fake scumhunt. no hunt for information. he only try discredit ghor cause ghor close scumteam. Look in filter, what ghor say true. sylencia not interested in scumread, only passive say he lynch people. goes for ghor cause ghor look like troll, that initial reason. now only give other reason to stay on easy target. but ghor can stop troll if he want and sylencia very likely not stop tunnel. that cause sylencia scum. Indulge us, please. | ||
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##Unvote: Ghor ##Vote: Hopeless1der | ||
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On April 04 2013 01:19 Ghor wrote: Hopeless say what you think of sylencia instead of derping? Your reading mistakes made you look terrible, but not only, and I'm trying to get a scummier dude than you lynched, so stop martyring and start cooperating if you're town. HOLY SHIT HE STOPPED 3RD PERSON ##Unvote | ||
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