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On April 04 2013 01:26 nobodywonder wrote: /out /obs /shadow going to play the newbie, don't want to play two games at once. would really like shadow a pro or masta mafia player you may not shadow me | ||
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On April 05 2013 05:56 Promethelax wrote: Can I shadow you kush? u wish you could shadow me because I'm super amazing at this game now. I have been training. | ||
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also I'm not noob anymore like I said I am amazing at this game now and if I don't find the entire scumteam d1 you can lynch me because I'm definitely scum in that case. | ||
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which mafia player is the best at sc2 i wonder? | ||
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On April 11 2013 15:39 drazak wrote: HuK plays irl mafia, and while I love Jos, I think HuK has won more events. LOL ofc you bring up irl mafia Also all the people mentioned rarely play therefore they don't count. | ||
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[QUOTE]On April 21 2013 23:51 Palmar wrote: [QUOTE]On April 21 2013 22:39 Oatsmaster wrote: [QUOTE]On April 21 2013 21:51 Palmar wrote: [QUOTE]On April 21 2013 20:27 Oatsmaster wrote: I dont see the point of giving vivax a townread and asking people to discuss because it doesnt really force scum to make a hard decision thing, its early day 1, so easy to change your mind. Its not controversial, its NOTHING. And Scum palmar tries to win. This is trying to sidetrack the thread, which is trying to win for scum. [/QUOTE] Oats 1 how serious are you about this scumread? because mine on you isn't that serious but if you are serious about your read on palmar than im gona be serious about my scumread on you. 2 how do you "sidetrack" a thread in which THE GAME JUST STARTED AND NOTHING HAPPENED YET? | ||
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On April 21 2013 23:02 VisceraEyes wrote: THANKS FOR MAKING ME HAVE TO READ THE DAMNED OP BH THAT WAS COOL OF YOU NOT Sup guys I'm here and I'm very town. So whazzup? also something i noticed... i think this is borderline cheating for talking about the PM but I also think it points heavily to town. | ||
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On April 22 2013 01:07 Hopeless1der wrote: I don't understand what you're talking about. Assume I am 5 years old. Please explain. do you know what VE is talking about? | ||
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if you did, then why didn't you understand what VE said? | ||
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On April 22 2013 01:25 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Why wouldn't scum know what he meant? They had to do the exact same thing, the only difference is they had a QT in their PM. They still have to look up if they are framer,rber,godfather or whatever. Literally every person has to reference the op for their role, regardless of alignment. Yes but it would be very difficult for scum to realize that TOWN had to look at the OP as well. Scum would not say "oh shit I had to look at the OP" because they would have no idea if town ALSO had to look at the OP. | ||
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On April 22 2013 01:31 VisceraEyes wrote: How about we stop trying to use the role PM to discern alignments KTHX I already did though! VE town CC town Hopeless scum | ||
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self aware millers should always claim. that is a simple fact of the game. there is no downside to it. | ||
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i want to policy lynch it ##unvote ##vote getmore | ||
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1 you dont know that he claimed. he just said sheeverus snape 2 even if he did claim, claiming miller is not obviously anti town, and so there is really no reason to lynch him for it. I think your tunnel of BM is ridiculous and I am suspicious of you now. | ||
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On April 22 2013 08:40 WaveofShadow wrote: \Kush for similar reasons since he threw a vote on geript as well right before the 'confirmation' and right after agreed that this confirms geript as town without removing his vote. Want to gain some insight into his thoughts processes as well regarding his townreads. i removed my vote and put it onto oats!!! u are soooo wrong | ||
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My vote on Oats..palmar called him scum. he got all sarcastic "ooo you found me." his sarcasm pissed me off so I voted him. My vote really doesn't go beyond that. Since then he's been afk. Getript - very weird first post but now he's mod confirmed town. I don't really want to talk about it because I'm afraid a mod will yell at me but yeah.. VE town, CC town, Hopeless scum...that was following my role PM theories about how only town would mention that the role pms made them check the OP but scum would not. I dropped that because everyone said it was dumb. IMO it's smart. There is a reason mods dont want you to discuss things. And that's because those things hold the secret to who is scum!! But anyway yeah since then hopeless has been afk but he is on my watch list. Hopeless is scummier than Oats atm, but I really can't be bothered to change my vote because im lazy. | ||
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On April 22 2013 09:06 GiygaS wrote: First, my name is spelled GiygaS, not GIYIGAS. my name is spelled asdehfejnbfj NOT asdehfeitnkjf WTF GUIZ!!! seriously if you name yourself some random letters, no one is going to spell your name right. so tired of people complaining about this. it is your own fault! | ||
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Oats and Hopeless are who I would lynch at this point I guess... The problem is that they ALWAYS look scummy to me. | ||
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On April 22 2013 11:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: Your filter is nearly as long as mine and you have not done shit besides telling the thread why some people are in your opinion town and acting as GiygaS' lawyer. Call my play tunneling or whatever you want to, but you really should start doing something to find mafia soon.. Are you kidding me? In the name of all that is not spam, I will correct you. You have 39!!!!! posts so far in this game. Many of them are WALLS. I have a modest 23 posts this game. And most of them are 1 liners. | ||
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On April 22 2013 11:51 yamato77 wrote: I don't like that TRN seems to fail at reading you, nor that he doesn't seem to understand how most games are started. But meh, aside from that, most of the people posting right now seem town enough. People that HAVE irked me so far include CC, VE, and Oats. BM is also sketch for his claim thing. He "soft claimed" last game, too, and was mafia. This could be the same sort of play. Is yamato super scummy or is it just me? I mean I know he has some sort of IRL excuse (which I dont recall reading about myself actually) but dear lord he is scummy. He "doesn't like" that a noob is being a noob... WTF does that mean? Then he lists off some easy targets who haven't been here and say they "irk" him. Then BM is sketch. these words are very wishy washy. Also his comment on BM is really dumb reasoning compared to his usual town reasoning. TLDR, no conviction behind anything yamato | ||
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On April 22 2013 12:04 yamato77 wrote: Look up a dictionary and tell me where "sketch" and "irk" imply indecisiveness and I'll take this post seriously. In the context of forum mafia they do. what do they imply? | ||
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##vote yamato Word on the street is his scum play is obvious. I have never seen it myself but this game is looking very very different from town. VE implied that he had some sort of IRL issue that was causing him to be less active. That's what it looks like, but Yamato never said anything about his activity. On April 22 2013 16:58 yamato77 wrote: If you guys are lucky, I'll tell you who mafia is tomorrow. By that I mean identify the whole team. Or, at least, the 5 people I'm most suspicious of at that time. How is this even possible at this point?? DH, afk Tube, afk Drazak, afk Clarity, afk I've seen from his town games, he likes to investigate people one at a time, instead of watching and making a list. He has changed to the making a list method because he is half assing it as scum, a role he hates playing. | ||
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Right now it looks like you are voting him because he wanted to lynch BM due to his claiming, but said it wasn't a policy lynch. Is that it? Rayn thinks the claim makes BM scum. That is why he doesn't consider it a policy lynch. I get how it can seem like a contradiction, but it all comes down to how you define the phrase "policy lynch." | ||
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On April 22 2013 21:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: kush, how about you just answer this: ..and not just flip-flop around the question and the case. maybe he has more than one reason for thinking you are scum? he thinks you are scum because you are pushing a mislynch on a newbie or something I dont know! your shitty argument was for the most part tldr honestly. | ||
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also ve is not scum. he came in the thread saying "damn pm made me read op" | ||
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I wonder why palmar has bm as town but ve thinks he's scum. I have no idea what to make of his random "faggot" outburst | ||
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rather kill yamato oats is just really inactive so I can't get a good read. | ||
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the thing that worries me about yamato is how easy and quick the wagon was to form. also many of my secondary scumreads are on board with lynching yamato | ||
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also I am changing my vote to oats now. the yamato wagon happened too easily and I'm falling out of love with it. | ||
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My unsubstantiated impressions: rayne, sharrant ,yamato looking town. bc i don't want to kill because if hes town he can solve the game for us later. and if he doesn't we kill him. ace seems like a really safe lynch. | ||
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all the good players are very inactive / potentially look scummy | ||
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VE is town. He is town from his first post in the game. On April 21 2013 23:02 VisceraEyes wrote: THANKS FOR MAKING ME HAVE TO READ THE DAMNED OP BH THAT WAS COOL OF YOU NOT Sup guys I'm here and I'm very town. So whazzup? only town would complain about having to read the op (because the role names weren't colored) I am gonna vote for shiaopi. I don't want to go for clarity because now Ace is pushing it. A very similar thing happened yesterday. Yamato was the popular lynch, then Ace pushed Oats, claiming the case on Oats was really good (even though in retrospect it sucked). | ||
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On April 25 2013 14:57 Ace wrote: interesting because you voted for the guy honestly i figured you wrote a guide so you must know wtf you are talking about. you said the case was good so i was like hmm maybe it is good | ||
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Palmar's tunnel on VE makes ZERO sense and Palmar is unwilling to explain. ##vote palmar | ||
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clarity lynch looks good. unvote vote clarity | ||
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Artanis when did I soft defend gigyas? I think he definitely could be scum (disclaimer I spent literally zero time looking at his filter tho). My vote for clarity had nothing to do with rayne. I came to the thread, read the last 2 pages, saw this really good activity based argument from Palmar about why to vote clarity, and that convinced me. The last person I would want to lynch right now is VE. My townread of him is quite strong. | ||
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On April 30 2013 09:38 VisceraEyes wrote: ZARE YOU EVEN READING?! DO YOU EVEN FUCKING CARE?! no and yes | ||
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I have not been reading recently cause it's like, I got busy then so much happened it just because impossible to keep up. | ||
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1 say some shit that makes peopel have a townread on you 2 shut your mouth 3 easiest scumstrat ever | ||
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Yamato has actually given so much effort and yelled a lot. Don't think he'd be that emotional as scum. TRN I characterize as new player tryhard. | ||
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On May 01 2013 08:31 Stutters695 wrote: What? You can't understand my posts so I'm town? I mean my posting is identical to my other games where I'm busy but I don't understand how you come to a town read via conspiracy theories. it looks like you are genuinely trying to figure shit out. even though i have no idea what that shit is, | ||
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are wos, giggyas, and syl all still alive? | ||
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Your first point is wifom bullshit imo. I agree that yamato is acting kind of differently from how I think he usually acts. I think his town game is more focused on making cases. Don't know how accurate that is. The problem is he isn't acting like I would expect him to act as scum either. I would not expect him to turn into an emotional scum. Palmar has actually made some very intelligent posts. I remember his reasoning for voting clarity, and it was like the best reasoning ever and convinced me to do the same. | ||
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On April 27 2013 18:58 Palmar wrote: Still think VE is the best lynch. But I do agree with a clarity lynch. I still don't understand how he entered the thread "catching up" and then had a fully fledged case within an hour. There was additionally no interest in pushing that lynch any harder. There is literally not a single "sharrant" in his filter after the case. It just doesn't feel natural. He didn't ask Sharrant anything to try to determine his alignment, no "hey sharrant, explain this" or "what do you think about this". Just a straight up case with no build-up and no follow-up. Which basically tells me his heart wasn't really in it. So with that I'm switching my vote to Clarity. Lessgo. | ||
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i will vote palmar tomorrow. | ||
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On May 01 2013 09:21 VisceraEyes wrote: Kush this is why you shouldn't do meta. He's written in plenty of paragraphs, and even if he didn't that wouldn't be indicative of a mindset change. yeah but in like every other game he pretty much just wrote in paragraphs. this game that's not so. and I know it's not indicative of anything, but I think that is why YOU think he is scum. He has made multiple cases. 3 formal cases by d2 i think. That is trying. | ||
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On April 26 2013 00:35 yamato77 wrote: + Show Spoiler + The reason I'm running through all this is that I'm not particularly happy with any of the lynches that most of town is talking about. VE of yesterday feels somewhat town. I feel like more time would only bury scum VE or give chance to solidify a town read on VE. There's absolutely no rush for his lynch to be finalized. Shaio is easy to mislynch, as evidenced by the suspicion on him in day 2 of British Empire 1, also an instant lynch where he was lurkish, and eventually replaced. The worst part of his filter is the hammer sequence, but even that could be explained by overly eager town who got caught up in the game emotionally. Clarity is always inactive, and him being fixated on Sharrant is not alignment indicative. His case is objectively something that scum like to do, but in the context of the game, I can see a town Clarity who had a late start feeling the need to get his thoughts about the game on the table, even if they weren't about the main lynch candidates. The fact that he basically has no other reads in the game is a point in his favor, but just like VE, we can afford to play a waiting game with him, seeing as we have unlimited time. At the very least, we need real discussion about the alignments of Ace/BC/Palmar before we move forward with any lynch. Ace is the most town out of the three, and BC the least, in my eyes. I'd say a long day is in order, and town need to consolidate pressure upon just a few people so that we can determine their alignments more clearly. | ||
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Also that quote from earlier in which you explicitly soft defend 2 known scum. here it is again: On April 26 2013 00:35 yamato77 wrote: + Show Spoiler + The reason I'm running through all this is that I'm not particularly happy with any of the lynches that most of town is talking about. VE of yesterday feels somewhat town. I feel like more time would only bury scum VE or give chance to solidify a town read on VE. There's absolutely no rush for his lynch to be finalized. Shaio is easy to mislynch, as evidenced by the suspicion on him in day 2 of British Empire 1, also an instant lynch where he was lurkish, and eventually replaced. The worst part of his filter is the hammer sequence, but even that could be explained by overly eager town who got caught up in the game emotionally. Clarity is always inactive, and him being fixated on Sharrant is not alignment indicative. His case is objectively something that scum like to do, but in the context of the game, I can see a town Clarity who had a late start feeling the need to get his thoughts about the game on the table, even if they weren't about the main lynch candidates. The fact that he basically has no other reads in the game is a point in his favor, but just like VE, we can afford to play a waiting game with him, seeing as we have unlimited time. At the very least, we need real discussion about the alignments of Ace/BC/Palmar before we move forward with any lynch. Ace is the most town out of the three, and BC the least, in my eyes. I'd say a long day is in order, and town need to consolidate pressure upon just a few people so that we can determine their alignments more clearly. that's why i want to lynch you now | ||
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On May 02 2013 00:36 VisceraEyes wrote: Kush is there anything in particular you didn't like about the Hopeless case? the only real point it made was that for a small amount of time hopeless changed his mind about sharrant d2. but he ended up voting shiao anyway. The other shit can be explained by inactivity. It looks like he decided he was going to cal hopeless scum, then he scrubbed his filter for anything remotely scummy he could use. | ||
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plus there are a ton of other reasons other people have posted. yamato...lurker doesn't make you scum. Town easily can lurk for a million different reasons and I was doing it myself for the middle part of this game. Your case against hopeless..i do not find it convincing in the least. | ||
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every single game i played with the guy, I wanted to lynch him. He always looks like this. | ||
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On May 02 2013 10:31 yamato77 wrote: There's zero reason not to lynch Hopeless. Zero. On May 02 2013 01:00 VisceraEyes wrote: The one problem I have with considering Hopeless scum is this: In his first big post (where he goes to all the trouble of showing why Vivax' assumption is bogus)...if he's scum with ShiaoPi, WHY would he go to all the trouble to tell Vivax how wrong he is? One of the scumteam's (presumably) newer players being considered at least a little townie based on almost nothing...why would he try and talk Vivax out of this? Why put HIMSELF in the spotlight in this way? | ||
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On April 21 2013 23:02 VisceraEyes wrote: THANKS FOR MAKING ME HAVE TO READ THE DAMNED OP BH THAT WAS COOL OF YOU NOT that's how I knew he was scum.. and before you make fun of me for flip flopping or whatever, it's fucking hard to get back into a game after you stopped reading it for like 150 pages | ||
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On May 02 2013 13:18 WaveofShadow wrote: Your reads are inexcusable this late into a game with 200+ pages. LOL i hope you never want to lynch me because my reads would receive 1/50th of the effort he gave. | ||
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On May 02 2013 13:31 WaveofShadow wrote: I'm all but ignoring you at this point into the game, Kush. damn bro that hurts. | ||
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i wasn't reading so I had no idea wtf was going on | ||
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why dont you just vote for who you want to lynch?? we don't need an extended day if people aren't even going to be talking about the lynch. | ||
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please kill hopeless please kill him asap. we don't need this day to go on any longer actually. | ||
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remember these words? On April 22 2013 01:32 kushm4sta wrote: I already did though! VE town CC town Hopeless scum SO WISE | ||
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I would rather kill scum than 3p because scum are eviler and more of a threat. Has anyone refuted what sharrant said about the nights during which there was no sk kill not lining up with the nights ace was rbed? | ||
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On May 04 2013 09:34 Sharrant wrote: I actually read Geript as town from his filter, there's a few posts I pointed out long ago that read that way to me. But since your only reason seems to be the QT thing, I'll give you a reason to mull over, and decide again. Marv clearly wanted a backseat role this game, he barely intended to post. Basically a shadowing position. It crossed my mind that Marv was upset because he just wanted to talk one on one with Geript in their own QT, but was told by BH that he had to talk in the scum QT and he opposed having to interact/deal with more players. Marv intending to only act as a personal coach, was upset when asked to essentially be a team coach. Sharrant I think you are wrong about this. The reason marv wanted his own QT was so he could insult people and they woulnd't find out afterwards in the postgame when links to the qts are made public. Last game marv insulted DP in his hydra QT with VE, DP read and and quit the game forever. | ||
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Also that quote from yamato soft defending shit.. yeah that looks bad but I think it was just a coincidence of retardation. I mean it's almost such an obvious soft defense of scum that scum wouldn't even do it like that. Know what I mean? too scummy to be scum type thing. | ||
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I changed my mind. That is my prerogative. I started paying somewhat more attention to the game and I changed my mind. Yeah sharrant might actually be scum. I had a pretty strong town read on him early in the game just because he was super active and shit but he could hella be scum. @sharrant who you want to lynch bro? Just tell me who you think we should lynch right now and how certain you are that they are scum, | ||
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On May 07 2013 09:01 yamato77 wrote: Regardless, we're lynching Palmar today. I dont like this. Out of the two Palmar seems more likely to be dumb town. no flame meant by that palmar | ||
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(inb4 omg town in 3rd person scumslip1!!!!) but I dont mind it actually because I am so horny for flips. It's like when you haven't had sex in 2 years and you will have sex with anyone just to have it. exactly like that. | ||
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On May 08 2013 07:08 kushm4sta wrote: it was lolz to kill him though because yamato was the towniest person in this game. | ||
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here's what actually happened. He was trolling d1. I'm not used to yamato trolling so I thought he might be scum. K then I stop reading the game for a long time. Then I come back to the game and I'm like yo VE who should I look up. He tells me yamato and some other people. I look at yamato's filter and some across that soft defense post and like lol this guy's pretty scummy. But as I start paying more attention to the game, it becomes more and more obvious that he is town. Then the day lasts forever. And I'm in a trolly mood. And i'm like w/e let's just kill yamato that way everyone can see that BC is hella scum. | ||
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Can you please quote the post from BC that makes you think he is town? ATM I want to lynch hopeless or BC tomorrow. | ||
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also that's not really deductive reasoning is it? it's more like process of elimination | ||
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He thinks you are scum therefore he must die? Are you kidding me? How fucking arrogant can you be bro? You do not look super town this game at all. I know you think you are the mafia bomb because of "your play d1 and your ability to influence the game" (which you brag about every fucking game btw) but you have not been a positive force on this game at all. I think there is a very good chance you are scum. After Hopeless and BC you are the next scummiest. All you do this game is call people terrible... seriously that is unacceptable hypocritical flaming but you do it constantly. I actually would lynch you purely for punishment at this point. Town can take more potentnial mislynches if necessary. we are winning. Maybe kill 1 scum first then kill palmar for punishment? | ||
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On May 08 2013 22:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote: If we're going to policy lynch anyone it'll be you, kush. yeah i deserve it no doubt, but at least the policy lynch on palmar has a chance of hitting scum here is the lynch order imo 1 hopeless 2 palmar (half policy lynch because he annoys me/half scum lynch) 3 BC | ||
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we are voting hopeless tomorrow amirite guys? | ||
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I would really like to lynch hopeless. I think he is our safest lynch. | ||
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I have never seen a good defense of hopeless. Palmar quoted a long post hopeless wrote, but it was filled with TOWN READS (which scum love to make) and only have a few speculative sentences on who scum might be. People who aren't voting hopeless please give me reasons why he's not scum. | ||
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On May 10 2013 01:58 Hopeless1der wrote: thats not a fucking answer kush. It's also wrong. What further reasoning do you have? all the shit everyone else already said which I forget about | ||
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Getmorpt is modconfirmed town remember? Palmar is an unknown for me. HOPELESS let us lynch him. I have not seen a good defense of him ever. | ||
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On May 10 2013 05:54 BloodyC0bbler wrote: He jumps on thread sentiment like mad and never pushes his own views. Guy cannot be town. Funny, because I am town and you probably know that. As I have explained many times before, I was not reading in the middle of game at all. I was very aware that my opinion was uninformed and incredibly shitty. I had no idea what was going on with prs, roleblocks, masons, etc. So it only made sense for me to jump on thread sentiment. | ||
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On May 10 2013 06:22 TheRavensName wrote: AND YOU! You show up out of no where and just post random little bursts of useless crap. Your entire filter is these shrot bursts of nothing without a single case that contains more then 1 or 2 reasonings. The fuck man? Have you pushed an original idea yet? Yup. See early game when I proved hopeless was scum because didn't know why town had to check the op. | ||
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On May 10 2013 07:27 Hopeless1der wrote: + Show Spoiler + Something in the way GiygaS refers to his Ace reads (and feel free to consider this tunnelly/biased) as Anti-Town, whereas he has no qualms calling Shaio/Clarity scummy looks slippy to me. When he puts his vote on Ace initially, it was for the switch from "anti" to "pro" town, which drew this exchange with rayn (read the spoilers for some context): On April 26 2013 02:55 GiygaS wrote: Basically, I would say Ace is scum based purely off his day 1 play in my eyes, but his day 2 sort of redeemed him in my eyes. However, it seems to me that Ace could just be looking pro town purposefully because accusations started going on him. That's my logic. On April 26 2013 03:16 GiygaS wrote: It's hard to explain from my phone. Day 1 Ace urged us to take our time, and then rushed the hammer and lynch on Oats. What I'm saying is that upon further reflection, Ace is a red read for me based on his day 1 play. Not a contradiction per se, but scummy nonetheless in my opinion. On April 26 2013 09:49 GiygaS wrote: Palmar: - Starts off the day my declaring to the world that Vivax is town because of that "strange heuristic". Could be that he already knew Vivax was town, or it could be that this was his actual read. I'm leaning on the latter. - Goes on geript, who we now know is modconfirmed. At the time however, the case was pretty dang solid, and it seems like it was good scumhunting. + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2013 00:31 Palmar wrote: List of probably town: Bill Murray getmoript (QT thing) Vivax slot machine dude hopeless list of maybe town: Ace grush cheesecake kush Sylencia TheRavensName list of who knows: WaveofShadow Tube Drazak Clarity_nl Sharrant Yamato77 ShiaoPi list of bloodycobblers: BloodyCobbler list of somewhat scummy fuckers (based on absolutely nothing): DoctorHelvetica ObviousOne Oatsmaster giggles The bolded here disturbs me a bit (or maybe it was just the name he gave me ) - Said it before, I'll say it again. This is wrong, Blazinghand's pm was to ask to drop out, not to confirm. No influence on scum or town though. - Jumped on VE 2 minutes after he omitted VE purposefully (from what I got from it he meant it as a null read) Not as bad as Ace pushing for the hammer because he didn't stress to take our time, but he was the hammer(1), and still really didn't post an explanation for his suspicions on oats up until this point. He later jokingly ealaborated that he lynched oats cause oats accused him of being mafia. This is his way of shifting away from the fact that he had no explanation.(2) - Now he's sort of tunneling on VE, whom I have a town read on. - And of course the thing I already brought up (being that he called out inactives for modkills but not tube, who was the most inactive) (1) Palmar wasn't the hammer (2) This "joke" came up pretty goddamn early in the thread. All the justification Palmar ever had for his Oats vote was here:+ Show Spoiler + On April 21 2013 20:00 Palmar wrote: There are two ways of looking at your post. First option is that you're town and legitimately think I'm scum. The second is you're scum and know I'm town and thus want to discredit me. Since you didn't present any arguments to back up your conclusion, I am inclined to think you must be scum. So until you present a believable motivation for your accusations... ##vote Oatsmaster GiygaS twists the following post to serve his scumread while ignoring what I just quoted: On April 24 2013 04:14 Palmar wrote: I beg to differ, I think it's hilarious that we killed Oats. Hopefully other people will take notice what happens when people call me scum. This analysis of Palmar from GiygaS is lackluster and neglects to tell us whether his read is town or scum until later: On April 26 2013 09:56 GiygaS wrote: Oh and my reading on Palmar is not town anymore, but scummy, but not as scummy as Ace or ShiaoPi But wait, pop over to his filter and just skim a couple posts from that last one. He goes from Ace/Shiao to clarity and shortly thereafter has completely dropped Palmar. I'll concede I fucked this up already with Sharrant and his read on Rayn, but I still find the way his reads seem to conform to the thread sentiment to be scummy. If he is scum, it looks horrible to back off of a scumread when that player flips scum. By process of elimination my top 3 scumreads are GiygaS, Palmar and BC, so my reads are liable to be confirmation biased. I'm trying to spin the most convincing story that makes my target out to be scum and determine what seems most likely. I'm headed out now so I'll finish up my bias read when I'm back tonight. Also I got diddly from vote-count analysis so far. I blazed through Day 1 and nothing jumped out at me, considering the lynch came down to two townies. I guess you could say kush is useless as usual but I really do think he's town so I disregarded that aspect of things. Random BC speculation-like thoughts: + Show Spoiler + Artanis' case on BC is sitting in the back of my mind. I can follow where the logic in the roleblocking "clears" him. However, I am almost 100% certain I've seen a scumteam withhold a block for towncred and also BC is a decent target for 3P to take out early to keep themselves safe, assuming scum shoot at Palmar/Ace first. This is N1 speculation, not considering Ace was 3P. Cool another useless megapost from hopeless. It has no scumhunting. Instead, town reads and by PoE he thinks Giygas, palmar and bc are scum. Worst scumreads ever bro. Yamato already proved that they cant both be scum pretty definitively. Also, are you not paying attention to RB and shit? The purpose of this post: try to squirm his way out of being lynched with tryhard megaspam. please do not be deceived by this. Hopeless is very good at turning on the tryhard when he's about to get lynched. | ||
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just focus on who today's lynch is. Hopeless, | ||
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On May 10 2013 11:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote: No it didnt. If you aren't reading the damn thread, say you havent read it and throw your vote completely elsewhere so it doesn't hurt town in any way. A mafia benefits from this line of thinking, no town should be guilty of it. It doesn't hurt town to sheep the correct wagon. ALSO you say no town should be guilty of it, but you are experienced and you know that town often is guilty of it. I dont understand how my suboptimal play translates into me being scum. Your case against me was just pointing out how bad I am basically. | ||
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On May 10 2013 11:41 BloodyC0bbler wrote: If you honestly do this as town, never fucking play again. damn that hate... I will not be taking this advice. | ||
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On May 10 2013 12:29 TheRavensName wrote: So what do you do and why are you playing mafia if you don't like cases or readin? I like to read the thread (except when I get behind like 10 pages then it sucks) and I like to figure out who mafia is. IMO writing long cases is something mafia like to do to look like town. Also when town writes them, they are more often than not wrong and they reinforce confirmation bias. | ||
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According to balance, either Palmar or BC must be scum. | ||
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Instead you are going after TRN and Palmar which are frankly terribad choices atm. | ||
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On May 10 2013 23:51 WaveofShadow wrote: Kush you of all people have absolutely no right to question what I am doing or why. ok then can someone else question WoS on why Hopeless' actions look townie? Can someone else ask Wos, what actions specifically look townie? Is it his megaposts full of townreads? Also can someone inform WoS that it looks like hopeless is going to get lynched today, and he should be your main focus atm. Pushing two suspects that no one is going to listen to is not helpful to the game right now. | ||
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On May 10 2013 23:57 Hopeless1der wrote: Palmar, your reasoning for GiygaS seems to come down to "some other townie said so". Makes me sad bro. When I flip town calling giygas scum, what happens? This is a wifom bomb. It doesn't make sense for town to say this, because town knows that being town doesn't make your reads right. | ||
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On May 11 2013 00:16 WaveofShadow wrote: Kush, I don't give a shit if you've decided to be all supertown 2 weeks into the game; your push means nothing to me. If I find Hopeless scummy it will be because of something anyone but you did. LOL dude wtf. I'm not asking you to respect me or be convinced by me or anything. I'm just asking you why specifically is hopeless town.. My questions are about your own thoughts, not mine. | ||
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and ofc its not the only thing I consider just a factor. Also this trn shit is retarded. TRN really does not look like first time scum. | ||
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ok ##unvote ##vote TRN | ||
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VE says fuck you host for making me check the OP. Now all townies know what he means. Because every townie got pmed some random ass role name without a color, so they had to go to the OP and figure out wait wtf am I? Hopeless did not know what VE meant. Because he didn't realize that townies had to check op. because he's not a townie. | ||
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On May 11 2013 15:57 TheRavensName wrote: Everyone had to check op. Thats a fucking stupid reason to lynch someone. Town usually does not have to check op. This game was unusual in that town did have to check it. Hopeless didn't know that though because he's not town. I think that proves hopeless is scum. I think his banter looks townie, but this is probably just a strength of his scum game. Also, don't say his cases look townie. Look at his 2 page filter in acme. Scumhopeless is capable of big posts like that. (Although his scum game had improved, as I would expect it to) | ||
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town had to check op due to nature of role pms. not sure if it's against the rules to expand on the matter. other thoughts: Palmar probably isn't scum. It's possible but I would be surprised. To everyone getting on my ass for not bring active midgame: Go suck youself. You have no right to be mad at me for having finals. And I handled it in a way that I thought would maximally satisfy my win cond. I regret nothing (except semi-hammering yamato). | ||
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On May 12 2013 05:19 WaveofShadow wrote: Voting analysis is very interesting. I think tonight's NK is going to allow us a red lynch tomorrow. how so...they are going to nk the towniest person here ? | ||
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u lynch a town read for the day to end. u lynch a town read because you are bored. not sure exactly why I did it but i regret it like I said. Sorry if you don't understand that BC> If you are town I guess that makes me better than you? Since you can't even townread me lol. | ||
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if i was scum I think my play this game would be quite amazing. basically my scumgame is not good enough for me to be scum this game. | ||
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Let me make this clear.. voting yamato is the only untown thing ive done this game. And BC can't stfu about it. My reasons redux: I voted him because the day was rambling on in a way that I thought was antitown. I voted him because I thought, what the hell, he might be scum. Even though I think he probably isn't. AND I thought I already was pretty sure that the other scum were hopeless and BC at the time so a mislynch wasn't a big problem. Like most decisions, the reason behind it is actually many reasons, complex reasons, emotional reasons, all that are compounded by my weeded out thought process. BC do you want to shit on me for my bad town play or do you want to find the two scum (two scum right?) in this game?? It looks like he isn't even trying to find the real scum and that's why I think BC is 3p or scum. I honestly don't know who the fuck is scum right now. I am leaning towards BC but I don't have huge confidence in that or any reads right now. Also I have not seen an argument that is convincing yet. | ||
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On May 12 2013 05:19 WaveofShadow wrote: Voting analysis is very interesting. I think tonight's NK is going to allow us a red lynch tomorrow. how so? | ||
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if I were you I would probably have a hard time deciding between bad town and scum, but somehow you are confident. | ||
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On May 14 2013 04:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote: tbh this just makes me more certain of my read of kush. I will do this with the remainder of the players alive and hopefully it bears some fruit. what makes you more certain? | ||
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i thikn they both look town mostly becauseof feel reads type stuff like about how they approach thegame and the shit they say | ||
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Also I remember palmar telling me to look at Giygas filter but I have no idea why... gigyas seems town. | ||
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On May 15 2013 04:59 BloodyC0bbler wrote: You promised reads that could help us win the game to help show you are town aligned. Instead you gave us random town reads with basically no reasons. You then stated you only read half their filters. You are putting 0 effort into the game but are obviously around to post. You want no lynch to give you extra time to perform but you have had a ton of time already to do this. If you were serious about helping you would have done so already. DUDE IT'S CALLED REAL LIFE... It's way easier to read the most recent posts (there a not a lot anymore) and say stupid shit (like im saying now) than it is to figure out who scum is. Yesterday I read half of gigyas filter and most of getmoript's filter. that took about half an hour!! Once I find the filter of who the scum is, I am going to make this amazing case that totally convinces everyone. But first i have to find it. It' sjust bad luck the first two i choose were town. | ||
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let me politely say good luck no one. I hope everyone loses somehow. | ||
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