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On April 22 2013 20:45 Sylencia wrote: Comments / Observations: - Oats v Palmar early on. The way I read it, Oats seemingly made a joke statement about Palmar, yet the response was ever so serious. Palmar: Is your vote just parked on Oats while you look for actual suspicious people or do you seriously believe that Oats was calling you out there? Since it's instant majority lynch, a single vote doesn't really matter until we get to 10+ votes, but I'm just interested if your read on Oats has changed since the initial accusation. This is an exceptionally interesting quote. Sylencia is saying that he has a town read on Oats. I don't see any particular reason early in Oat's filter to think that he's town. Neither is there any sort of reasoning for this read given. This is an odd way of saying "Palmar, what is your current read on Oats?" On April 22 2013 20:45 Sylencia wrote: Trying. Not easy though, 20 pages of catchup doesn't make it easy to digest the content. One of the points from Gonzaw's case on Artanis in PYP was that scum tend to complain about activity more than town. On April 22 2013 20:45 Sylencia wrote: From the pages regarding TRN and Rayn, both have been hard at work defending each other, though I don't really understand the point being raised about why Rayn isn't scum. Was he scum when he tunneled or was he town? Rayn has shown tendencies in other games to shotgun vote and accuse others, and it's seen here and from your games he can tunnel too. His behaviour is erratic and so unless there's points regarding the content being townie, I don't think anything can be said about the way he plays. You dislike Sharrant, so does that mean you suspect him or are you just putting it out there? Does Rayn's activity put him in the town books for you, because while it can be used as a basis for a case when none others appear, it's pretty alignment indicitive. If it's not part of your reasoning behind it, why is rayn already town in your eyes? Summary. Null conclusion. Question. Null conclusion. Question. On April 22 2013 20:45 Sylencia wrote: I'm somewhat doing the same, so I'm wondering how you can see someone as town without looking at the whole picture. I haven't really got any town reads due to this, but the fact you're able to either means you're doing something wrong, or you know something we don't. So because Sylencia hasn't gotten any town reads out of the back and forth, no one else can? Like, WTF? That doesn't make any sense. On April 22 2013 20:45 Sylencia wrote: Rayn: Pushing for all millers to die (and voting on it) on day 1 honestly doesn't sound like a great plan. It wastes days where there's actually stuff to analyse, it creates a lazy town atmosphere which only helps scum, and with that comes a lot less conversation. You said you thought that BM was scum but what makes him so much more scummy at the time than someone else with low number of posts and providing just words and not content (eg. me)? Well one thing is absolutely right here: Sylencia has posted a lot of words without any actual content. The real kicker of the post for me is this: On April 22 2013 20:45 Sylencia wrote:In any case: This looks so dumb honestly. Ok, I'm done for now, ##vote rayn at the moment because of the weirdest irregularities in posts. Throughout the whole post Sylencia hasn't said 1 thing that has pointed to Rayn being scum. Not a single thing. As a matter of fact, Sylencia is calling out Rayn for wanting to lynch BM for being scum but not giving actual reasons for him being scum. So what does Sylencia do pray tell? Not give any reason for Rayn being scum whatsoever. At best this is a policy vote to remove stupidity from the thread. On April 23 2013 23:58 Sylencia wrote: Oats is the vote for me. Case from Vivax + aftermath between yamato vs Oats has convinced me more to taking down Oats. The thing that was holding me back most was that my primary scum suspect (rayn) was on Oats fairly early on. Bland +1 On April 23 2013 23:58 Sylencia wrote: Given that Oats never actually provided anything for us in terms of reads afterwards and posted crap about being green and telling people to push others. If he has nothing to say either: a) He's playing as the bad townie b) He's withholding that info from us to stop us from gaining more than we need from the lynch. Either case is bad for town, so that's why I'm willing to go down on Oats. ##Unvote ##Vote Oats Read this twice. Do you ever see any inclination that Sylencia thinks that Oats is scum here? It's not A--Bad Townie vs B--Scum. It's A--Bad Townie vs B--withholding information. What information could someone be withholding on D1? None. Period. You either think Oats was town or you think he's scum. Sylencia is still reading Oats as town AND still voting for Oats. On April 25 2013 01:28 Sylencia wrote: Sylencia: Semi-suspected TRN due to the rayn defense provided Suspects Rayn due to inconsistent statements about miller lynch / scum suspicion of BM Wagoned on Oats due to lack of town contribution from Oats. Bald faced lie. Sure Oats didn't contribute much. But if that's the case then Sylencia voted him for being bad town which is not a reason to vote for someone period. Seeing as how Sylencia didn't think Oats was scum anyways why 180 on why he voted for him? Image control, nothing more. tldr doesn't seem to be trying to figure out the game has inexplicable reads doesn't give actual reads just could be X or Y mentality for voting doesn't fit town mentality concerned with image | ||
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On April 22 2013 20:45 Sylencia wrote: Comments / Observations: - Oats v Palmar early on. The way I read it, Oats seemingly made a joke statement about Palmar, yet the response was ever so serious. Palmar: Is your vote just parked on Oats while you look for actual suspicious people or do you seriously believe that Oats was calling you out there? Since it's instant majority lynch, a single vote doesn't really matter until we get to 10+ votes, but I'm just interested if your read on Oats has changed since the initial accusation. Read the bolded section. This shows that Sylencia didn't think that Oats was suspicious. Admittedly, I guess I presumed 'not suspicious' = town, but that's reasonable assumption. On April 25 2013 02:50 Sylencia wrote: "So because Sylencia hasn't gotten any town reads out of the back and forth, no one else can? Like, WTF? That doesn't make any sense. " Different strokes for different people then? I personally find it to be impossible to take a subset of players, read their posts and just outright say "he's a townie" and start defending them. Sounds absurd to me. Are you trying to say that people can't form town reads and can't defend them? Are we supposed to believe that you just classify everyone in shades of null-leaning-town/scum? I don't understand this outlook, can you explain this further? This just looks like you're trying to bypass the point. How do you form your tells? On April 25 2013 02:50 Sylencia wrote: "Throughout the whole post Sylencia hasn't said 1 thing that has pointed to Rayn being scum. Not a single thing. As a matter of fact, Sylencia is calling out Rayn for wanting to lynch BM for being scum but not giving actual reasons for him being scum. So what does Sylencia do pray tell? Not give any reason for Rayn being scum whatsoever. At best this is a policy vote to remove stupidity from the thread. " Lying/changing the apparent meaning of what he said isn't a reason for wanting to lynch him now? If you think he's a liar, then why not pressure him flat out for lying. You keep on taking this observer aspect to the game instead of being a participant which doesn't feel towny to me. On April 25 2013 02:50 Sylencia wrote: "Read this twice. Do you ever see any inclination that Sylencia thinks that Oats is scum here? It's not A--Bad Townie vs B--Scum. It's A--Bad Townie vs B--withholding information. What information could someone be withholding on D1? None. Period. You either think Oats was town or you think he's scum. Sylencia is still reading Oats as town AND still voting for Oats." Next time I'm scum, I'll be sure to hand out information as I'm about to be lynched on Day 1 which will help out townies in the long run (y) If B is supposed to be scum, then why not say scum? If he is scum, then what information do you think that he could be withholding? If you think he's withholding information, then why don't you try and pressure him to get that information out of him. It just looks to me like you're more than happy to pop in and out when you please and download whatever information you please to the thread to avoid suspicion/being lynched. How is what you're doing beneficial? You've given summaries, not analysis. How is that town-motivated? | ||
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Cedric Diggory (Masoner): Hufflepuff Seeker and Prefect, you are a skilled duelist, a natural leader, and a kind soul. With your access to the Prefect's Bathroom you can have private conversations with others where you can't be overheard. You bend the rules, just a little, for Harry Potter to help him solve the puzzle of the second task, since he helped you with the first one. You are a loyal fellow, after all. When Voldie returns to power, you are the first to fall, but at least you die a champion. Each Night, you can select a target. Until the end of the next night, you are masoned with that target. You cannot mason the same target twice. As I read it, Vivax could not have been masoned with anyone D1 so that's easy to rule out. | ||
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On April 25 2013 10:37 VisceraEyes wrote: Don't tell me how to play bish. OH NOMINATION NOT THIS GAME...yeah okay, but honestly, don't tell me to shut up. I wouldn't have even been in this situation if I'd have been doing this all game. I need to get back into it because my play has been drifting toward a more lurky style and it's getting me lynched as both alignments. You clearly want to play the role of town who wants to get out of the game. Either vote yourself so we can move on with shit or pick you balls up out of the trash can and do something. Right now you're looking more like me than a good player. | ||
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On April 25 2013 06:26 VisceraEyes wrote: Palmar intentionally trying to infuriate me and get me to shit up the thread. ##Vote: Palmar EZPZ But VE isn't getting mad. Not whatsoever. He's not responding like he's pissed at all. There are no misspellings in what he's typed. The furthest he's gone is to tell me to fuck off. I'm interested to see how he returns, but how VE's responded reminds me more of how he responded to me in PYP. Plus BM is right, there's not the "intention to kill" in his posts that's there as town. Before getting to reread I felt stronger about lynching Shiao, but right now I much prefer VE. | ||
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On April 25 2013 14:16 Ace wrote: Oatsmaster: Palmar, kushm4sta, GiygaS, kushm4sta, WaveofShadow,yamato77,VisceraEyes,Palmar, Mr. CC, Hopeless1der, Sylencia, ShiaoPi What you did there.... I see it  I keed I keed. I'm going to remove Palmar and Kush as I doubt they're scum at this point. From filtering: VE: Scum but the mostly likely red guy to be town. He's lacking towny bite. Shiao: Scum Nothing other than Vivax case really needs to be mentioned here Sylencia: Scum I've already posted a case which he tried to sidestep, inactive, the passive inexplicable townread Giygas: NULLTown read x2, Prefers Oats but votes Yamato???, uses an odd heuristic, inactive Hopeless: NULL focuses on tickytack stuff, strange flip in view on rayn, inactive, I haven't WoS: NULL I really want to call him scum so badly especially when he says he has to go back t check on his view on kush. He doesn't have the balls he generally has. My problem is I always think he's scum. Yamato: NULL He's the hardest. He's all over the place. He's not obvtown like I've seen from him from PYP and hydraing, but I'm not seeing scummy intention. The oddest thing about him this game is that he keeps on wanting to lynch people that share his scum reads (Oats/CC). CC: Town weird pro/anti-town meta focus, his reads align with the rayn list pretty well, the scummiest thing about him is that he's not actively pushing an agenda. If rayn's list is solid, then CC isn't actively or passively bussing just less active town which is my impression of him from hydra. Shiao is 'safest' lynch. Dropping the hammer at an odd time with no reason, being inactive, not following up, etcetcetc. VE is the lynch that we need to be on right now; I don't think we'll get a good read out of VE otherwise. Hopeless and Giygas are about equal to me; just sheer inactives. Yamato breaking from the shared reads heuristic bothers me, but judging by filter size he's town. | ||
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On April 25 2013 15:18 yamato77 wrote: Ace, my filter is bigger than yours. Where the fuck do you get "low activity" from? Lol. I can attest to this. Yamato's "filter" is huge. It's almost the size of a child's hand | ||
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On April 26 2013 04:18 Palmar wrote: nah, don't have to. everyone with a brain knows I'm town. So no one knows you're town? | ||
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Personally I think we should start voting Tube until he posts. | ||
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