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On May 10 2013 05:47 Palmar wrote:
I don't know.
I just read sharrant's last day. He was pretty adamant about not lynching BC so that makes me happier not to lynch bc.
*shrug*
He also told me in the QT to lynch you if you pull a guilty check. So... you might not want to be too happy.
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On May 10 2013 05:47 WaveofShadow wrote:I kinda like this. If we lynch you and you flip town it makes me have faith that I'll know where to look for some reason. You know what? Palmar, you've inspired me. The last time a couple posts REALLY struck me as scummy instantly was my second newbie game; I went with my gut on it and was right. TRN, you should remember it well; you helped me lynch Arctic Daishi. Well guess what? ##Vote: TheRavensNameI will still be going through your filter but god damn were those last posts scummy.
You have no idea how hard it is to resist all the analysis on you I did with Sharrant. (The only person who seem to actually want to use the QT for analysis and case building. I wish I could have been perm masoned with him.)
If were going off gut scummy, there have been people who have been far scummier all game. Such as Kush, or Hopeless, or you and palmar.
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On May 10 2013 06:04 kushm4sta wrote:
BC has gotta be third party or something. I guess he's not scum though because of the roleblock thing.
Getmorpt is modconfirmed town remember?
Palmar is an unknown for me.
HOPELESS let us lynch him. I have not seen a good defense of him ever.
AND YOU! You show up out of no where and just post random little bursts of useless crap. Your entire filter is these shrot bursts of nothing without a single case that contains more then 1 or 2 reasonings. The fuck man? Have you pushed an original idea yet?
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On May 10 2013 06:22 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 06:12 TheRavensName wrote:On May 10 2013 05:47 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 10 2013 05:38 Palmar wrote:
you know what, screw it.
##Vote Geript I kinda like this. If we lynch you and you flip town it makes me have faith that I'll know where to look for some reason. You know what? Palmar, you've inspired me. The last time a couple posts REALLY struck me as scummy instantly was my second newbie game; I went with my gut on it and was right. TRN, you should remember it well; you helped me lynch Arctic Daishi. Well guess what? ##Vote: TheRavensNameI will still be going through your filter but god damn were those last posts scummy. You have no idea how hard it is to resist all the analysis on you I did with Sharrant. (The only person who seem to actually want to use the QT for analysis and case building. I wish I could have been perm masoned with him.) If were going off gut scummy, there have been people who have been far scummier all game. Such as Kush, or Hopeless, or you and palmar. lol me. Bring it, Raven. Kush is probably town, god help me I'm thinking Hopeless might be town now as I finish my read, and Palmar is Palmar right now. My vote on you remains until I see a reason to remove it. And there are two things right now that will make me remove it.
And what two things would that be?
Heres a little sample by the way:
i went and decided to analyze the night kills: None of them thought WoS was townie basd off the last time they posted on them
OO: + Show Spoiler +On May 01 2013 13:03 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 12:55 GiygaS wrote:
It's certainly a possibility, could you elaborate on it a bit more? I'm interested. Haven't gotten around to re-reading WoS as mentioned in this (I just pasted it into notepad) but here you go, full on crazy mode OO. + Show Spoiler [you asked for it] +Random conspiracy theory: WoS claims miller not because he is self-aware miller, but because he knows he will show up guilty to checks as 3P (same as miller). Idea come from Rayn + Show Spoiler +On April 28 2013 16:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
WoS promised to provide reads to make people believe him. geript, can you take a look at his filter from D2 and tell me what reads he provided that helps us finding scum? ShiaoPi and GiygaS, and "they deserve to be looked into".
First of all, if WoS thinks ShiaoPi is mafia, why does he think he has been "so wrong" at the start of D2, that he needed to claim..???? Also if he thought he is so wrong, why does he still want to look into ShiaoPi? He doesn't mention anyone as scum suspects that Shiao/GiygaS.
He does no research, just asks people what they do think about people. On April 28 2013 13:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 13:33 Ace wrote:
to be extra thorough - while it is still possible WoS is scum that miller claim doesn't warrant a vigi shot. It does nothing to free up extra information, as if WoS flips Miller it is a wasted shot. For now you should give him the benefit of the doubt. Look at other people on the Oats +Shiapi wagon clash cases. yamato and VE are both there. So is Palmar, hopeless1nder, and a few others. WoS is there too but as said I think he gets a temporary pass. Limit that pool via what you know by reading objectively first, then read them from both scum and town p.o.v. Do it for all of them! WoS doesn't come close to being the top vigi target when you do this. CheeseCake, Palmar, Sharrant (him not convinced yet though): Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 05:57 Palmar wrote:On April 28 2013 05:56 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Shoot waveofshadow 100% listen to this man, he speaketh truth Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 05:57 Sharrant wrote:On April 28 2013 05:56 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Shoot waveofshadow 100% Convince me on this one, I have some suspicions, let's figure out if they're the same. + I have said this on N1 and my read has never dropped: Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 03:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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WaveofShadow - what me + TRN said earlier today
GiygaS - Did weird stuff on D1, especially his answers to me were not pleasing
Clarity_nl - What has been brought up today
ShiaoPi - What Vivax said
+ TRN So that makes CC/Palmar/Me/TRN/somewhat Sharrant. I do not think any of those people are mafia. WoS claimed right after CC-Palmar-Sharrant posted. Overly defensive in the first place, now he says he wanted to avoid a DT check and mislynch on him. Bullshit i say, noone even mentions him being a good check. On April 28 2013 13:12 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 13:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:So you are taking WoS at face value now because you think it's impossible that he soft-claimed miller as mafia. You are also going to ignore all the suspicious things he has done (as you fucking thought he should be shot earlier, that means you were suspicious of him). I'm going to yell so much at everyone of you if WoS is mafia and is not shot tonight. Based purely on the fact that this post here is 100% right and at least Ace should know it too, and WoS should have read it if he is in fact town miller: On April 23 2013 05:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
What reason does town have to make to ever claim miller? Seriously, tell me. All it does is clusterfuck a thread and leaves open ground for mafia to claim as well and thus be cleared as town as he claimed miller. Assume all miller claims are bullshit and kill. If you get red checked you get killed. Its pretty simple. You lynch people who are likely mafia. Town has no reason to ever claim miller EVEN IF THEY KNOW THEY ARE ONE. As all it does is create chaos. IE only mafia have a benefit to claim it thus should be lynched. I did read it. And he's mostly right. And I've already mentioned it's because I'd rather force a wasted vig shot than a wasted DT check and wasted lynch. Pretty decent reasons to me. Whether or not YOU think this was going to happen or not is irrelevant. It's what I thought was going to happen and so I acted. Simple. Think on the duality of that statement. Wasting a shot can be thought of as LOL I EAT BULLETS FOR BREAKFAST on top of being thought of I'M TOWN BRO. I need to review what WoS has been doing recently but this is what I intend to be looking for evidence for at this point, as well as considering the possibility that he is in fact just plain miller. Or maybe he's scum and suicidal because of what we've seen has been the presence of his team, I don't know? Really need to take another look through.... This does NOT explain any of the other kills or ANYTHING of the sort, I did no thinking outside of entertaining the idea, but if it's a possibility given what's presented here and any other kills can be explained by it, then maybe we caught ourselves a crafty one. Contrary to this idea: He's been pretty okay with dying in his words, but if he starts fighting his lynch after accepting that he has to die I might be concerned. Anyway there are what, 2 scum left to kill, he has a vested interest in finding them as well if he is 3P. Remember that BH just clarified that 3P kills are compulsive, as in they must shoot every night, so someone go Bill Nye on this if you want or go nowhere with it, I am going back to Vivax' filter. P.S Rayn is really good at this game, total serious, <3
Vivax:+ Show Spoiler +On April 24 2013 04:54 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2013 00:08 Vivax wrote:
Scummy: Yamato, clarity,
Semi-Scummy: Palmar, WoS, OO, BM, ShiaoPi
Null: BC, Rayn, Hopeless, VE
Townie: Everyone else
No medic for me if Oats flips red, thx. I need to rework on this. I wrote it cause I thought it was a nightless game, cause instant majority and such. Reading the OP helps sometimes :|
Mr. CC: Died after claiming cop, mafia milked a mislynch then shot him before he could nail anyone else. Wanted WoS shot pretty badly, not a stretch to say he would oppose a lynch of him.
Rayn:+ Show Spoiler +On April 29 2013 05:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2013 05:50 WaveofShadow wrote:Won't be able to post in earnest before daypost. Shoot me if you must, but imo I'd have a look at the people who WANT me dead and are calling me scum vs the ones who say that I must die simply because of the claim. GL town, you're in good hands. This def wasn't a great game for me; playing too pussy = bad. If I somehow survive I'm going balls out  I don't think there is anyone who thinks you are much town at the moment, so i'd rather look for people who are making scummy stuff instead of focusing on those who accuse you. Because, let's be hnest, this kind of stuff is what makes you look worse. You just OMGUS-read the people accusing you.
VE: Similiar to CC, wanted WoS either shot or eventually lynched. Also likely was dead regardless due to well, for being a cop.
Sharrant: + Show Spoiler +On May 06 2013 05:27 Sharrant wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 05:01 getmoript wrote:
Sharrant, what do you think of my analysis of Ace's play. Do you find it completely consistent with BC/WoS scum team? It's certainly believeable. My biggest issue is that I believed that ShiaoPi wasn't scum after Clarity flipped, and I could see the same thing from Ace's perspective. I'll read more in his filter, and see if there's anything I can gleam from it. I like that you made the case, if you're sure about it, I want to see you make it stick. Analyze BC and WoS and let me know what you come up with. I'm not particularly looking at BC right now, but WoS certainly has my attention.
One of the big claims WoS has to being town is that he pushed Shia over Sylencia. In my mind, this was a distancing attempt and a bus, and I mean it makes sense. Town will almost always go with the cop's red check unless the cop is certain hes insane. Therefore he could look like hes trying to save sylencia when its a mislynch that will solve itself.
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On May 10 2013 06:36 getmoript wrote:
So I guess this has devolved into napalms lists hunh? Fine by me. I'll sheep the list with the best reasons regardless of who's on it.
Make your own damn list.
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On May 10 2013 06:41 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 06:35 TheRavensName wrote:On May 10 2013 06:22 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 10 2013 06:12 TheRavensName wrote:On May 10 2013 05:47 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 10 2013 05:38 Palmar wrote:
you know what, screw it.
##Vote Geript I kinda like this. If we lynch you and you flip town it makes me have faith that I'll know where to look for some reason. You know what? Palmar, you've inspired me. The last time a couple posts REALLY struck me as scummy instantly was my second newbie game; I went with my gut on it and was right. TRN, you should remember it well; you helped me lynch Arctic Daishi. Well guess what? ##Vote: TheRavensNameI will still be going through your filter but god damn were those last posts scummy. You have no idea how hard it is to resist all the analysis on you I did with Sharrant. (The only person who seem to actually want to use the QT for analysis and case building. I wish I could have been perm masoned with him.) If were going off gut scummy, there have been people who have been far scummier all game. Such as Kush, or Hopeless, or you and palmar. lol me. Bring it, Raven. Kush is probably town, god help me I'm thinking Hopeless might be town now as I finish my read, and Palmar is Palmar right now. My vote on you remains until I see a reason to remove it. And there are two things right now that will make me remove it. And what two things would that be? Heres a little sample by the way: i went and decided to analyze the night kills: None of them thought WoS was townie basd off the last time they posted on them OO: + Show Spoiler +On May 01 2013 13:03 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 12:55 GiygaS wrote:
It's certainly a possibility, could you elaborate on it a bit more? I'm interested. Haven't gotten around to re-reading WoS as mentioned in this (I just pasted it into notepad) but here you go, full on crazy mode OO. + Show Spoiler [you asked for it] +Random conspiracy theory: WoS claims miller not because he is self-aware miller, but because he knows he will show up guilty to checks as 3P (same as miller). Idea come from Rayn + Show Spoiler +On April 28 2013 16:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
WoS promised to provide reads to make people believe him. geript, can you take a look at his filter from D2 and tell me what reads he provided that helps us finding scum? ShiaoPi and GiygaS, and "they deserve to be looked into".
First of all, if WoS thinks ShiaoPi is mafia, why does he think he has been "so wrong" at the start of D2, that he needed to claim..???? Also if he thought he is so wrong, why does he still want to look into ShiaoPi? He doesn't mention anyone as scum suspects that Shiao/GiygaS.
He does no research, just asks people what they do think about people. On April 28 2013 13:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 13:33 Ace wrote:
to be extra thorough - while it is still possible WoS is scum that miller claim doesn't warrant a vigi shot. It does nothing to free up extra information, as if WoS flips Miller it is a wasted shot. For now you should give him the benefit of the doubt. Look at other people on the Oats +Shiapi wagon clash cases. yamato and VE are both there. So is Palmar, hopeless1nder, and a few others. WoS is there too but as said I think he gets a temporary pass. Limit that pool via what you know by reading objectively first, then read them from both scum and town p.o.v. Do it for all of them! WoS doesn't come close to being the top vigi target when you do this. CheeseCake, Palmar, Sharrant (him not convinced yet though): Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 05:57 Palmar wrote:On April 28 2013 05:56 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Shoot waveofshadow 100% listen to this man, he speaketh truth Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 05:57 Sharrant wrote:On April 28 2013 05:56 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Shoot waveofshadow 100% Convince me on this one, I have some suspicions, let's figure out if they're the same. + I have said this on N1 and my read has never dropped: Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 03:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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WaveofShadow - what me + TRN said earlier today
GiygaS - Did weird stuff on D1, especially his answers to me were not pleasing
Clarity_nl - What has been brought up today
ShiaoPi - What Vivax said
+ TRN So that makes CC/Palmar/Me/TRN/somewhat Sharrant. I do not think any of those people are mafia. WoS claimed right after CC-Palmar-Sharrant posted. Overly defensive in the first place, now he says he wanted to avoid a DT check and mislynch on him. Bullshit i say, noone even mentions him being a good check. On April 28 2013 13:12 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 13:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:So you are taking WoS at face value now because you think it's impossible that he soft-claimed miller as mafia. You are also going to ignore all the suspicious things he has done (as you fucking thought he should be shot earlier, that means you were suspicious of him). I'm going to yell so much at everyone of you if WoS is mafia and is not shot tonight. Based purely on the fact that this post here is 100% right and at least Ace should know it too, and WoS should have read it if he is in fact town miller: On April 23 2013 05:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
What reason does town have to make to ever claim miller? Seriously, tell me. All it does is clusterfuck a thread and leaves open ground for mafia to claim as well and thus be cleared as town as he claimed miller. Assume all miller claims are bullshit and kill. If you get red checked you get killed. Its pretty simple. You lynch people who are likely mafia. Town has no reason to ever claim miller EVEN IF THEY KNOW THEY ARE ONE. As all it does is create chaos. IE only mafia have a benefit to claim it thus should be lynched. I did read it. And he's mostly right. And I've already mentioned it's because I'd rather force a wasted vig shot than a wasted DT check and wasted lynch. Pretty decent reasons to me. Whether or not YOU think this was going to happen or not is irrelevant. It's what I thought was going to happen and so I acted. Simple. Think on the duality of that statement. Wasting a shot can be thought of as LOL I EAT BULLETS FOR BREAKFAST on top of being thought of I'M TOWN BRO. I need to review what WoS has been doing recently but this is what I intend to be looking for evidence for at this point, as well as considering the possibility that he is in fact just plain miller. Or maybe he's scum and suicidal because of what we've seen has been the presence of his team, I don't know? Really need to take another look through.... This does NOT explain any of the other kills or ANYTHING of the sort, I did no thinking outside of entertaining the idea, but if it's a possibility given what's presented here and any other kills can be explained by it, then maybe we caught ourselves a crafty one. Contrary to this idea: He's been pretty okay with dying in his words, but if he starts fighting his lynch after accepting that he has to die I might be concerned. Anyway there are what, 2 scum left to kill, he has a vested interest in finding them as well if he is 3P. Remember that BH just clarified that 3P kills are compulsive, as in they must shoot every night, so someone go Bill Nye on this if you want or go nowhere with it, I am going back to Vivax' filter. P.S Rayn is really good at this game, total serious, <3 Was entertaining the idea of a conspiracy theory that WoS was faking the miller claim. In fact, its his last real read post before the big BC case. Vivax: + Show Spoiler +On April 24 2013 04:54 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2013 00:08 Vivax wrote:
Scummy: Yamato, clarity,
Semi-Scummy: Palmar, WoS, OO, BM, ShiaoPi
Null: BC, Rayn, Hopeless, VE
Townie: Everyone else
No medic for me if Oats flips red, thx. I need to rework on this. I wrote it cause I thought it was a nightless game, cause instant majority and such. Reading the OP helps sometimes :| (Although he was going to die for nailing Shiao and Clarity during the night phase anyways.) Mr. CC: Died after claiming cop, mafia milked a mislynch then shot him before he could nail anyone else. Wanted WoS shot pretty badly, not a stretch to say he would oppose a lynch of him. Rayn: + Show Spoiler +On April 29 2013 05:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2013 05:50 WaveofShadow wrote:Won't be able to post in earnest before daypost. Shoot me if you must, but imo I'd have a look at the people who WANT me dead and are calling me scum vs the ones who say that I must die simply because of the claim. GL town, you're in good hands. This def wasn't a great game for me; playing too pussy = bad. If I somehow survive I'm going balls out I don't think there is anyone who thinks you are much town at the moment, so i'd rather look for people who are making scummy stuff instead of focusing on those who accuse you. Because, let's be hnest, this kind of stuff is what makes you look worse. You just OMGUS-read the people accusing you. Even WoS remembers this one. VE: Similiar to CC, wanted WoS either shot or eventually lynched. Also likely was dead regardless due to well, for being a cop. Sharrant: + Show Spoiler +On May 06 2013 05:27 Sharrant wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 05:01 getmoript wrote:
Sharrant, what do you think of my analysis of Ace's play. Do you find it completely consistent with BC/WoS scum team? It's certainly believeable. My biggest issue is that I believed that ShiaoPi wasn't scum after Clarity flipped, and I could see the same thing from Ace's perspective. I'll read more in his filter, and see if there's anything I can gleam from it. I like that you made the case, if you're sure about it, I want to see you make it stick. Analyze BC and WoS and let me know what you come up with. I'm not particularly looking at BC right now, but WoS certainly has my attention. Likely died because someone figured out he was JK. Was warming up to the idea of WoS being scum. One of the big claims WoS has to being town is that he pushed Shia over Sylencia. In my mind, this was a distancing attempt and a bus, and I mean it makes sense. Town will almost always go with the cop's red check unless the cop is certain hes insane. Therefore he could look like hes trying to save sylencia when its a mislynch that will solve itself. No no. You don't get to do this. Do you think I'm scum or not? If you do, tell the fucking thread why. Here's a little sample about why that's wrong (intersting, but wrong) You're randomly linking points at which someone said I was scummy during the thread. They didn't all think so right before they died: example being OO. Do you also honestly think the reason Sharrant was killed was because I figured him out? LOL. All me figuring it out means is that the whole fucking thread figured it out because for the most part I'm a dumbass. He practically outed himself right at the end, lol.
Actually, I went into their filter and searched ALL of their posts by Wave, and WoS and read all of the results. Thes are the last ones that post an opinon of you.
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On May 10 2013 06:49 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 06:45 TheRavensName wrote:On May 10 2013 06:41 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 10 2013 06:35 TheRavensName wrote:On May 10 2013 06:22 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 10 2013 06:12 TheRavensName wrote:On May 10 2013 05:47 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 10 2013 05:38 Palmar wrote:
you know what, screw it.
##Vote Geript I kinda like this. If we lynch you and you flip town it makes me have faith that I'll know where to look for some reason. You know what? Palmar, you've inspired me. The last time a couple posts REALLY struck me as scummy instantly was my second newbie game; I went with my gut on it and was right. TRN, you should remember it well; you helped me lynch Arctic Daishi. Well guess what? ##Vote: TheRavensNameI will still be going through your filter but god damn were those last posts scummy. You have no idea how hard it is to resist all the analysis on you I did with Sharrant. (The only person who seem to actually want to use the QT for analysis and case building. I wish I could have been perm masoned with him.) If were going off gut scummy, there have been people who have been far scummier all game. Such as Kush, or Hopeless, or you and palmar. lol me. Bring it, Raven. Kush is probably town, god help me I'm thinking Hopeless might be town now as I finish my read, and Palmar is Palmar right now. My vote on you remains until I see a reason to remove it. And there are two things right now that will make me remove it. And what two things would that be? Heres a little sample by the way: i went and decided to analyze the night kills: None of them thought WoS was townie basd off the last time they posted on them OO: + Show Spoiler +On May 01 2013 13:03 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 12:55 GiygaS wrote:
It's certainly a possibility, could you elaborate on it a bit more? I'm interested. Haven't gotten around to re-reading WoS as mentioned in this (I just pasted it into notepad) but here you go, full on crazy mode OO. + Show Spoiler [you asked for it] +Random conspiracy theory: WoS claims miller not because he is self-aware miller, but because he knows he will show up guilty to checks as 3P (same as miller). Idea come from Rayn + Show Spoiler +On April 28 2013 16:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
WoS promised to provide reads to make people believe him. geript, can you take a look at his filter from D2 and tell me what reads he provided that helps us finding scum? ShiaoPi and GiygaS, and "they deserve to be looked into".
First of all, if WoS thinks ShiaoPi is mafia, why does he think he has been "so wrong" at the start of D2, that he needed to claim..???? Also if he thought he is so wrong, why does he still want to look into ShiaoPi? He doesn't mention anyone as scum suspects that Shiao/GiygaS.
He does no research, just asks people what they do think about people. On April 28 2013 13:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 13:33 Ace wrote:
to be extra thorough - while it is still possible WoS is scum that miller claim doesn't warrant a vigi shot. It does nothing to free up extra information, as if WoS flips Miller it is a wasted shot. For now you should give him the benefit of the doubt. Look at other people on the Oats +Shiapi wagon clash cases. yamato and VE are both there. So is Palmar, hopeless1nder, and a few others. WoS is there too but as said I think he gets a temporary pass. Limit that pool via what you know by reading objectively first, then read them from both scum and town p.o.v. Do it for all of them! WoS doesn't come close to being the top vigi target when you do this. CheeseCake, Palmar, Sharrant (him not convinced yet though): Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 05:57 Palmar wrote:On April 28 2013 05:56 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Shoot waveofshadow 100% listen to this man, he speaketh truth Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 05:57 Sharrant wrote:On April 28 2013 05:56 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Shoot waveofshadow 100% Convince me on this one, I have some suspicions, let's figure out if they're the same. + I have said this on N1 and my read has never dropped: Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 03:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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WaveofShadow - what me + TRN said earlier today
GiygaS - Did weird stuff on D1, especially his answers to me were not pleasing
Clarity_nl - What has been brought up today
ShiaoPi - What Vivax said
+ TRN So that makes CC/Palmar/Me/TRN/somewhat Sharrant. I do not think any of those people are mafia. WoS claimed right after CC-Palmar-Sharrant posted. Overly defensive in the first place, now he says he wanted to avoid a DT check and mislynch on him. Bullshit i say, noone even mentions him being a good check. On April 28 2013 13:12 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 13:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:So you are taking WoS at face value now because you think it's impossible that he soft-claimed miller as mafia. You are also going to ignore all the suspicious things he has done (as you fucking thought he should be shot earlier, that means you were suspicious of him). I'm going to yell so much at everyone of you if WoS is mafia and is not shot tonight. Based purely on the fact that this post here is 100% right and at least Ace should know it too, and WoS should have read it if he is in fact town miller: On April 23 2013 05:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
What reason does town have to make to ever claim miller? Seriously, tell me. All it does is clusterfuck a thread and leaves open ground for mafia to claim as well and thus be cleared as town as he claimed miller. Assume all miller claims are bullshit and kill. If you get red checked you get killed. Its pretty simple. You lynch people who are likely mafia. Town has no reason to ever claim miller EVEN IF THEY KNOW THEY ARE ONE. As all it does is create chaos. IE only mafia have a benefit to claim it thus should be lynched. I did read it. And he's mostly right. And I've already mentioned it's because I'd rather force a wasted vig shot than a wasted DT check and wasted lynch. Pretty decent reasons to me. Whether or not YOU think this was going to happen or not is irrelevant. It's what I thought was going to happen and so I acted. Simple. Think on the duality of that statement. Wasting a shot can be thought of as LOL I EAT BULLETS FOR BREAKFAST on top of being thought of I'M TOWN BRO. I need to review what WoS has been doing recently but this is what I intend to be looking for evidence for at this point, as well as considering the possibility that he is in fact just plain miller. Or maybe he's scum and suicidal because of what we've seen has been the presence of his team, I don't know? Really need to take another look through.... This does NOT explain any of the other kills or ANYTHING of the sort, I did no thinking outside of entertaining the idea, but if it's a possibility given what's presented here and any other kills can be explained by it, then maybe we caught ourselves a crafty one. Contrary to this idea: He's been pretty okay with dying in his words, but if he starts fighting his lynch after accepting that he has to die I might be concerned. Anyway there are what, 2 scum left to kill, he has a vested interest in finding them as well if he is 3P. Remember that BH just clarified that 3P kills are compulsive, as in they must shoot every night, so someone go Bill Nye on this if you want or go nowhere with it, I am going back to Vivax' filter. P.S Rayn is really good at this game, total serious, <3 Was entertaining the idea of a conspiracy theory that WoS was faking the miller claim. In fact, its his last real read post before the big BC case. Vivax: + Show Spoiler +On April 24 2013 04:54 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2013 00:08 Vivax wrote:
Scummy: Yamato, clarity,
Semi-Scummy: Palmar, WoS, OO, BM, ShiaoPi
Null: BC, Rayn, Hopeless, VE
Townie: Everyone else
No medic for me if Oats flips red, thx. I need to rework on this. I wrote it cause I thought it was a nightless game, cause instant majority and such. Reading the OP helps sometimes :| (Although he was going to die for nailing Shiao and Clarity during the night phase anyways.) Mr. CC: Died after claiming cop, mafia milked a mislynch then shot him before he could nail anyone else. Wanted WoS shot pretty badly, not a stretch to say he would oppose a lynch of him. Rayn: + Show Spoiler +On April 29 2013 05:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2013 05:50 WaveofShadow wrote:Won't be able to post in earnest before daypost. Shoot me if you must, but imo I'd have a look at the people who WANT me dead and are calling me scum vs the ones who say that I must die simply because of the claim. GL town, you're in good hands. This def wasn't a great game for me; playing too pussy = bad. If I somehow survive I'm going balls out I don't think there is anyone who thinks you are much town at the moment, so i'd rather look for people who are making scummy stuff instead of focusing on those who accuse you. Because, let's be hnest, this kind of stuff is what makes you look worse. You just OMGUS-read the people accusing you. Even WoS remembers this one. VE: Similiar to CC, wanted WoS either shot or eventually lynched. Also likely was dead regardless due to well, for being a cop. Sharrant: + Show Spoiler +On May 06 2013 05:27 Sharrant wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 05:01 getmoript wrote:
Sharrant, what do you think of my analysis of Ace's play. Do you find it completely consistent with BC/WoS scum team? It's certainly believeable. My biggest issue is that I believed that ShiaoPi wasn't scum after Clarity flipped, and I could see the same thing from Ace's perspective. I'll read more in his filter, and see if there's anything I can gleam from it. I like that you made the case, if you're sure about it, I want to see you make it stick. Analyze BC and WoS and let me know what you come up with. I'm not particularly looking at BC right now, but WoS certainly has my attention. Likely died because someone figured out he was JK. Was warming up to the idea of WoS being scum. One of the big claims WoS has to being town is that he pushed Shia over Sylencia. In my mind, this was a distancing attempt and a bus, and I mean it makes sense. Town will almost always go with the cop's red check unless the cop is certain hes insane. Therefore he could look like hes trying to save sylencia when its a mislynch that will solve itself. No no. You don't get to do this. Do you think I'm scum or not? If you do, tell the fucking thread why. Here's a little sample about why that's wrong (intersting, but wrong) You're randomly linking points at which someone said I was scummy during the thread. They didn't all think so right before they died: example being OO. Do you also honestly think the reason Sharrant was killed was because I figured him out? LOL. All me figuring it out means is that the whole fucking thread figured it out because for the most part I'm a dumbass. He practically outed himself right at the end, lol. Actually, I went into their filter and searched ALL of their posts by Wave, and WoS and read all of the results. Thes are the last ones that post an opinon of you. So what? Were they all cursing my name with their last dying breaths? Was I their main focus...like....ever? AM I SCUM OR NOT?
I DON'T FUCKING KNOW! AM I?
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On May 10 2013 07:01 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 06:55 TheRavensName wrote:On May 10 2013 06:49 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 10 2013 06:45 TheRavensName wrote:On May 10 2013 06:41 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 10 2013 06:35 TheRavensName wrote:On May 10 2013 06:22 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 10 2013 06:12 TheRavensName wrote:On May 10 2013 05:47 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 10 2013 05:38 Palmar wrote:
you know what, screw it.
##Vote Geript I kinda like this. If we lynch you and you flip town it makes me have faith that I'll know where to look for some reason. You know what? Palmar, you've inspired me. The last time a couple posts REALLY struck me as scummy instantly was my second newbie game; I went with my gut on it and was right. TRN, you should remember it well; you helped me lynch Arctic Daishi. Well guess what? ##Vote: TheRavensNameI will still be going through your filter but god damn were those last posts scummy. You have no idea how hard it is to resist all the analysis on you I did with Sharrant. (The only person who seem to actually want to use the QT for analysis and case building. I wish I could have been perm masoned with him.) If were going off gut scummy, there have been people who have been far scummier all game. Such as Kush, or Hopeless, or you and palmar. lol me. Bring it, Raven. Kush is probably town, god help me I'm thinking Hopeless might be town now as I finish my read, and Palmar is Palmar right now. My vote on you remains until I see a reason to remove it. And there are two things right now that will make me remove it. And what two things would that be? Heres a little sample by the way: i went and decided to analyze the night kills: None of them thought WoS was townie basd off the last time they posted on them OO: + Show Spoiler +On May 01 2013 13:03 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 12:55 GiygaS wrote:
It's certainly a possibility, could you elaborate on it a bit more? I'm interested. Haven't gotten around to re-reading WoS as mentioned in this (I just pasted it into notepad) but here you go, full on crazy mode OO. + Show Spoiler [you asked for it] +Random conspiracy theory: WoS claims miller not because he is self-aware miller, but because he knows he will show up guilty to checks as 3P (same as miller). Idea come from Rayn + Show Spoiler +On April 28 2013 16:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
WoS promised to provide reads to make people believe him. geript, can you take a look at his filter from D2 and tell me what reads he provided that helps us finding scum? ShiaoPi and GiygaS, and "they deserve to be looked into".
First of all, if WoS thinks ShiaoPi is mafia, why does he think he has been "so wrong" at the start of D2, that he needed to claim..???? Also if he thought he is so wrong, why does he still want to look into ShiaoPi? He doesn't mention anyone as scum suspects that Shiao/GiygaS.
He does no research, just asks people what they do think about people. On April 28 2013 13:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 13:33 Ace wrote:
to be extra thorough - while it is still possible WoS is scum that miller claim doesn't warrant a vigi shot. It does nothing to free up extra information, as if WoS flips Miller it is a wasted shot. For now you should give him the benefit of the doubt. Look at other people on the Oats +Shiapi wagon clash cases. yamato and VE are both there. So is Palmar, hopeless1nder, and a few others. WoS is there too but as said I think he gets a temporary pass. Limit that pool via what you know by reading objectively first, then read them from both scum and town p.o.v. Do it for all of them! WoS doesn't come close to being the top vigi target when you do this. CheeseCake, Palmar, Sharrant (him not convinced yet though): Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 05:57 Palmar wrote:On April 28 2013 05:56 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Shoot waveofshadow 100% listen to this man, he speaketh truth Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 05:57 Sharrant wrote:On April 28 2013 05:56 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Shoot waveofshadow 100% Convince me on this one, I have some suspicions, let's figure out if they're the same. + I have said this on N1 and my read has never dropped: Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 03:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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WaveofShadow - what me + TRN said earlier today
GiygaS - Did weird stuff on D1, especially his answers to me were not pleasing
Clarity_nl - What has been brought up today
ShiaoPi - What Vivax said
+ TRN So that makes CC/Palmar/Me/TRN/somewhat Sharrant. I do not think any of those people are mafia. WoS claimed right after CC-Palmar-Sharrant posted. Overly defensive in the first place, now he says he wanted to avoid a DT check and mislynch on him. Bullshit i say, noone even mentions him being a good check. On April 28 2013 13:12 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 13:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:So you are taking WoS at face value now because you think it's impossible that he soft-claimed miller as mafia. You are also going to ignore all the suspicious things he has done (as you fucking thought he should be shot earlier, that means you were suspicious of him). I'm going to yell so much at everyone of you if WoS is mafia and is not shot tonight. Based purely on the fact that this post here is 100% right and at least Ace should know it too, and WoS should have read it if he is in fact town miller: On April 23 2013 05:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
What reason does town have to make to ever claim miller? Seriously, tell me. All it does is clusterfuck a thread and leaves open ground for mafia to claim as well and thus be cleared as town as he claimed miller. Assume all miller claims are bullshit and kill. If you get red checked you get killed. Its pretty simple. You lynch people who are likely mafia. Town has no reason to ever claim miller EVEN IF THEY KNOW THEY ARE ONE. As all it does is create chaos. IE only mafia have a benefit to claim it thus should be lynched. I did read it. And he's mostly right. And I've already mentioned it's because I'd rather force a wasted vig shot than a wasted DT check and wasted lynch. Pretty decent reasons to me. Whether or not YOU think this was going to happen or not is irrelevant. It's what I thought was going to happen and so I acted. Simple. Think on the duality of that statement. Wasting a shot can be thought of as LOL I EAT BULLETS FOR BREAKFAST on top of being thought of I'M TOWN BRO. I need to review what WoS has been doing recently but this is what I intend to be looking for evidence for at this point, as well as considering the possibility that he is in fact just plain miller. Or maybe he's scum and suicidal because of what we've seen has been the presence of his team, I don't know? Really need to take another look through.... This does NOT explain any of the other kills or ANYTHING of the sort, I did no thinking outside of entertaining the idea, but if it's a possibility given what's presented here and any other kills can be explained by it, then maybe we caught ourselves a crafty one. Contrary to this idea: He's been pretty okay with dying in his words, but if he starts fighting his lynch after accepting that he has to die I might be concerned. Anyway there are what, 2 scum left to kill, he has a vested interest in finding them as well if he is 3P. Remember that BH just clarified that 3P kills are compulsive, as in they must shoot every night, so someone go Bill Nye on this if you want or go nowhere with it, I am going back to Vivax' filter. P.S Rayn is really good at this game, total serious, <3 Was entertaining the idea of a conspiracy theory that WoS was faking the miller claim. In fact, its his last real read post before the big BC case. Vivax: + Show Spoiler +On April 24 2013 04:54 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2013 00:08 Vivax wrote:
Scummy: Yamato, clarity,
Semi-Scummy: Palmar, WoS, OO, BM, ShiaoPi
Null: BC, Rayn, Hopeless, VE
Townie: Everyone else
No medic for me if Oats flips red, thx. I need to rework on this. I wrote it cause I thought it was a nightless game, cause instant majority and such. Reading the OP helps sometimes :| (Although he was going to die for nailing Shiao and Clarity during the night phase anyways.) Mr. CC: Died after claiming cop, mafia milked a mislynch then shot him before he could nail anyone else. Wanted WoS shot pretty badly, not a stretch to say he would oppose a lynch of him. Rayn: + Show Spoiler +On April 29 2013 05:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2013 05:50 WaveofShadow wrote:Won't be able to post in earnest before daypost. Shoot me if you must, but imo I'd have a look at the people who WANT me dead and are calling me scum vs the ones who say that I must die simply because of the claim. GL town, you're in good hands. This def wasn't a great game for me; playing too pussy = bad. If I somehow survive I'm going balls out I don't think there is anyone who thinks you are much town at the moment, so i'd rather look for people who are making scummy stuff instead of focusing on those who accuse you. Because, let's be hnest, this kind of stuff is what makes you look worse. You just OMGUS-read the people accusing you. Even WoS remembers this one. VE: Similiar to CC, wanted WoS either shot or eventually lynched. Also likely was dead regardless due to well, for being a cop. Sharrant: + Show Spoiler +On May 06 2013 05:27 Sharrant wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 05:01 getmoript wrote:
Sharrant, what do you think of my analysis of Ace's play. Do you find it completely consistent with BC/WoS scum team? It's certainly believeable. My biggest issue is that I believed that ShiaoPi wasn't scum after Clarity flipped, and I could see the same thing from Ace's perspective. I'll read more in his filter, and see if there's anything I can gleam from it. I like that you made the case, if you're sure about it, I want to see you make it stick. Analyze BC and WoS and let me know what you come up with. I'm not particularly looking at BC right now, but WoS certainly has my attention. Likely died because someone figured out he was JK. Was warming up to the idea of WoS being scum. One of the big claims WoS has to being town is that he pushed Shia over Sylencia. In my mind, this was a distancing attempt and a bus, and I mean it makes sense. Town will almost always go with the cop's red check unless the cop is certain hes insane. Therefore he could look like hes trying to save sylencia when its a mislynch that will solve itself. No no. You don't get to do this. Do you think I'm scum or not? If you do, tell the fucking thread why. Here's a little sample about why that's wrong (intersting, but wrong) You're randomly linking points at which someone said I was scummy during the thread. They didn't all think so right before they died: example being OO. Do you also honestly think the reason Sharrant was killed was because I figured him out? LOL. All me figuring it out means is that the whole fucking thread figured it out because for the most part I'm a dumbass. He practically outed himself right at the end, lol. Actually, I went into their filter and searched ALL of their posts by Wave, and WoS and read all of the results. Thes are the last ones that post an opinon of you. So what? Were they all cursing my name with their last dying breaths? Was I their main focus...like....ever? AM I SCUM OR NOT? I DON'T FUCKING KNOW! AM I? I don't know.  But the difference between what you did and what I did is I'm showing commitment to a read. I'm systematically going through and seeing if I can back up my gutread on you. Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 06:12 TheRavensName wrote:On May 10 2013 05:47 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 10 2013 05:38 Palmar wrote:
you know what, screw it.
##Vote Geript I kinda like this. If we lynch you and you flip town it makes me have faith that I'll know where to look for some reason. You know what? Palmar, you've inspired me. The last time a couple posts REALLY struck me as scummy instantly was my second newbie game; I went with my gut on it and was right. TRN, you should remember it well; you helped me lynch Arctic Daishi. Well guess what? ##Vote: TheRavensNameI will still be going through your filter but god damn were those last posts scummy. You have no idea how hard it is to resist all the analysis on you I did with Sharrant. (The only person who seem to actually want to use the QT for analysis and case building. I wish I could have been perm masoned with him.) If were going off gut scummy, there have been people who have been far scummier all game. Such as Kush, or Hopeless, or you and palmar. You just threatened me with some shit from a mason QT amongst a bunch of other scumreads, and tried to divert me to 'scummier' people in the thread. And when I asked you specifically about the things you posted I found scummy, you ignored it. See the difference there?
I've been pointing out whats wrong with you all game. Your so fucking townie but at the same time unbelivably scummy. Ihave literally no idea what to think, because as soon as I make an opinion on you something happens to completly change it. Sense Yamato didn't flip red, I don't care about my case on you anymore. i only like to accuse people when I got an idea who they could be working with. The last idea I had for you flipped green so I dunno what to think anymore and am willing to believe this setup is just silly at this point.
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On May 10 2013 08:24 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 06:22 TheRavensName wrote:
AND YOU! You show up out of no where and just post random little bursts of useless crap. Your entire filter is these shrot bursts of nothing without a single case that contains more then 1 or 2 reasonings. The fuck man? Have you pushed an original idea yet? Yup. See early game when I proved hopeless was scum because didn't know why town had to check the op.
It took me like twenty rereads to even begin to understand that. What have you done sense then?
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On May 10 2013 09:58 kushm4sta wrote:
yeah TRN I have been a useless lazy piece of shit this game. Everyone knows that already. I'm sorry that it makes you mad but this is the reality.. I AM LAZY TOWN. Have you never encountered that before?
Sadly, i was hoping when i finished my noobies I wouldn't have to encounter it again.
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On May 10 2013 10:30 kushm4sta wrote:
napalm, carpet bomb, etc.. are these game mechanics you are talking about or are you just talking about lynches?
Hes just talking about lynches.
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On May 10 2013 12:02 kushm4sta wrote:
not a big fan of cases. I don't like reading them and i don't like writing them.
So what do you do and why are you playing mafia if you don't like cases or readin?
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On May 10 2013 13:24 kushm4sta wrote:reply to TRN not entirely relevant to this game: + Show Spoiler +On May 10 2013 12:29 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 12:02 kushm4sta wrote:
not a big fan of cases. I don't like reading them and i don't like writing them. So what do you do and why are you playing mafia if you don't like cases or readin? I like to read the thread (except when I get behind like 10 pages then it sucks) and I like to figure out who mafia is. IMO writing long cases is something mafia like to do to look like town. Also when town writes them, they are more often than not wrong and they reinforce confirmation bias.
+ Show Spoiler + Well, I understand that setiment.I don't like to use big quotes for the most part, its only something I reccently started to try. I think it makes things confusing.
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On May 11 2013 07:38 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2013 07:33 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
.................... what the hell is happening Make massive case on you, no one votes. Write one paragraph on TRN, 2 sheep within an hour. That's mafia.
Yes, 2 people sheeping for bad reasons is in fact MAFIA.
i can't believe you guys are willing to push me over say BM or Kuh or anyone else who has done nothing and shows up enough to not get warned. Why push anything when you got the town killing itself?
Especially if you got people who are willing to vote with their scum reads. The hell guys?
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You know what? i think i'm going to change my vote to BM. The man has no thread presence, low activity, fake claimed miller day 1 then backed off it when it blew up in his face, and apparently pays so little attention that he thinks BC, not myself, could be an Umbridge. He is skating on by despite not saying anything that makes sense.
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On May 11 2013 10:59 kushm4sta wrote:
balance argument was for lynching you bc, not palmar. or you or palmar but mostly you.
and ofc its not the only thing I consider just a factor.
Also this trn shit is retarded. TRN really does not look like first time scum.
I olled scum in the last noobie game I played. WoS saw it. I tunnel as scum.
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On May 11 2013 12:54 kushm4sta wrote:
wait wait TRN isn't first time scum?? and he bussed first time as scum?? lolol so he's aggro scum
ok
##unvote
##vote TRN
I did not bus... I died first on my team as scum.
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On May 11 2013 13:01 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2013 12:54 kushm4sta wrote:
wait wait TRN isn't first time scum?? and he bussed first time as scum?? lolol so he's aggro scum
ok
##unvote
##vote TRN I did not bus... I died first on my team as scum.
I also did not say i bussed. So the fuck?
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On May 11 2013 13:30 GiygaS wrote:
So the main thing against TRN is the fact he's never voted scum? There's also the matter of Vivax already flipping town mason :/ I'm gonna dig through his filter and make a decision from there.
My Logic was Shiao was dead anyways. I wanted it known i was going after palmar. By that logic, you know who else must be scum? Artanis.
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On May 11 2013 14:43 kushm4sta wrote:
fuck i need to put time into this game to figure shit out but i had a terrible day so thats not happening today. umm i guess ill switch back to hopeless. he said some townie sounding shit yeah, but honestly I still think he's scum because he didn't know why DBZ had to check op. as dumb as that sounds lol
Can you explain to me how this is a scummy thing? Please?
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