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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
April 16 2013 23:15 GMT
#3981
Ok.

On April 17 2013 05:18 yamato77 wrote:
Vivax still caring about "finding mafia" this late in the game is a point in his favor. This is also consistent with his town meta of being completely confirmation biased, so yeah.

The arguments for him being scum aren't great, to be honest. He was uninvolved for a while, but we all were.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
April 16 2013 23:19 GMT
#3982
Want another slap in the face, scummato?

On April 05 2013 11:53 yamato77 wrote:
Justify your suspicion on Artanis.


On April 05 2013 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2013 11:53 yamato77 wrote:
Justify your suspicion on Artanis.


He's hiding in plain sight.
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2013 11:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On April 05 2013 11:51 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On April 05 2013 10:10 gonzaw wrote:
On April 05 2013 06:00 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On April 05 2013 04:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
3 scum reads:

Caller, RO, Oats.

Why

On April 05 2013 05:46 strongandbig wrote:
this whole discussion is stupid until we get the drafting list btw


yes

Gonzaw would you mind telling me what you think of oats, artanis, sharrant, and decondou? Would like to hear someone else's thoughts.


Yo how about YOU tell me what you think of them?
You can't force the wise man to do your bidding, he forces you to do his, and then enlightens you or punishes you accordingly

I have to agree with yamato on Oats.
Makes little sense for scum Oats to "intentionally disrupt" town like this in the drafting phase for no reason (if he's scum), rather than doing so when it matters to them: The Day phase.
No reason to call him scum right now, wait until the game actually "matters" to state so.


So you 5 guys are you sending the 1-5 draft choices? If so it may be better to claim so you don't clash between each other, and so you can convince other people not to take those as well (I already changed my number).
I guess it's too late though, meh.


I initially had a pretty bad feeling about oats, however he's just been too loud for me to think he's scum at this point. I'm rather suspicious of artanis, I actually wanted an opinion on sharrant because I have him as a complete null, and decondou was a red herring which I threw out on a whim. In hindsight you'd be too smart to go for it as scum anyway

currently I have rayn as probable town since I've learned that the most annoying people tend to be town. That being said, I also really don't think RO is scummy.

Also for the record, I'm not trying to force a wise man to do my bidding, just wanna check in with someone who completely played me before :D

Oats is bad town or scum.
Artanis is .. hmm.. idk..
sharrant almost definitely town.
deconduo, leaning on scum at him.
RO = scum. kill him <3


[image loading]
See that rayn^ That's a train. Think of that train as your current case on RO

[image loading]
See that rayn^ That's a train crash. That's what happens when you tunnel without a real case.

Out of curiosity, are there any posts of decondou's that stick out to you that made you think he was scummy?


On April 05 2013 12:40 yamato77 wrote:
Gonzaw, what do you make of MZ basically trolling the thread and saying very little about anything?

geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
April 16 2013 23:27 GMT
#3983
Mocsta, what do you think of Vivax right now?
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
April 16 2013 23:34 GMT
#3984
Vivax, what role do you think Yamato has?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
April 16 2013 23:40 GMT
#3985
That was actually just some little bit, some more juice, additionally to your weak VE and Artanis bus, comes now:

On April 06 2013 10:25 yamato77 wrote:
I will say, I want to see more from this VE/RO exchange.

I feel like at least one is mafia.


No followup whatsoever to find out who of them is mafia.

On April 07 2013 02:15 yamato77 wrote:
Palmar's comment on VE, even if VE is scum, is also no reason to think him town. It's a passing comment made that follows thread sentiment. In no way is Palmar taking that read of VE seriously.


Premature weighing in of towncred Palmar would gain from a VE lynch. Which town bothers making a connection case to argue against a townread at this point?

On April 07 2013 11:29 yamato77 wrote:
I wanna kill Palmar.

##Vote Palmar

Anyone who disagrees with me is scum.


VE/RO scum doesn't matter at all now.

When austin questions yamato as to why he wants to lynch Palmar:

On April 07 2013 12:34 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2013 12:22 austinmcc wrote:
On April 07 2013 12:15 yamato77 wrote:
Does town Palmar try to look involved at all if he doesn't care about the game?
Things to look into before voting him on that basis!

Especially whether he was active in pre-games of past PYPs!

You fail to understand what I'm saying.

Town Palmar doesn't give fucks, sure, but he doesn't make a point of telling the thread multiple times that he doesn't give a fuck.

He's better than any of you guys' lynchbait options.


Austin was pushing Shelvocke at the time (unclear if yamato only referred to him as lynchbait)
Anyway, yamato then came up with this:

On April 07 2013 13:25 yamato77 wrote:
He's pushing VE.

How do you feel about VE?


Asks about VE who he thinks might be scum, while VE is in the thread. And yet yamato basically ignores VE despite saying that one of RO/VE must be scum, instead he attacks Palmar who wants to lynch VE, prematurely attacks his cred for a VE lynch.

Noncommittal list post:

On April 07 2013 15:13 yamato77 wrote:
Going to bed.

When I wake up tomorrow, I'm taking a look at this list of people:

VE
PALMAR
SINANI
MEAPAK
AUSTIN

One of them will get lynched.

______________________________________________________________________________________________________

Some stuff actually in yamato's favour:

On April 07 2013 13:41 yamato77 wrote:
Can you explain your townread on VE, Bill?



+ Show Spoiler +
On April 08 2013 09:42 yamato77 wrote:
Let's lynch Artanis. The fact that the lynch has met resistance and people are arguing about other cases that are "scummier" is a good thing. I love information. OO's analysis of his meta is decent, and coupled with gonzaw's case, I could see Artanus as scum.

As for who to vig, it n should obviously be sinani. If you read his filter, he posts opportunistically, and generally has little to say. One post in particular I called out as being especially horrible, the one where he gives his "thoughts" on the lynch candidates and is null on three out of four. I was scum with him in Red Team's Prize, and he's acting similar to that game, here his posting in the thread is quiet and not forceful. His "push" of BM as a vig shot is also terrible, because I actually have him down as likely town.

As for myself, since people seem to think I need to contribute more, meh. I gave the game the start I wanted and I have some decent town reads out of that, so as far as continuing a high level of activity, I don't feel that it's necessary. I'm doing my own scum hunting, and I make myself known throughout the day on where I'm at. If I drop off the face of the planet, feel free to shoot/lynch me, but I'm not going to be hyperactive in these games anymore.


but he posted it AFTER OO's bus post. So we can assume scum gave up on defending artanis already and started the bussing, and he actually moved on to push for another lynch than VE or artanis, as pointed out earlier.

@ geript

Godfather, since he was among the last to pick and no townie would pick that anyway. Also helped BM confirm his justice vig claim which is a role I wouldn't pick as town anyway.
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
April 16 2013 23:41 GMT
#3986
On April 17 2013 08:13 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2013 08:08 yamato77 wrote:
Vivax, I'm not geript, but that is unacceptable behavior.


It's not, telling him my opinion about his play is acceptable, you can get at me when I start swearing and calling him names. His reads since D1 with his VE-push were pure garbage and that's a fact. Him pushing all claimed DTs and always being wrong is another fact.


On April 17 2013 08:05 Vivax wrote:
Like, you're so bad geript, you didn't see OO being scum when he was right in front of you and neglect me contributing among the first to his lynch, you've been pushing for lynches on all claimed DTs and still aren't able to realize that your reads are simply shit and that you don't question them enough, and you're throwing away the only chance you've left to narrow down the suspects cause you're so derp.

Go on

Writer@WriterYamato
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
April 16 2013 23:49 GMT
#3987
Maybe it's all just pointless and Shelvocke is the last scum, laughing while I flail around compulsively. Wouldn't be the first time I do that lol, but I get easily worked up as town. Apologies for any offenses btw.

Yamato backseat modding still doesn't help us win the game.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
April 16 2013 23:54 GMT
#3988
On April 17 2013 08:05 Vivax wrote:
Like, you're so bad geript, you didn't see OO being scum when he was right in front of you and neglect me contributing among the first to his lynch, you've been pushing for lynches on all claimed DTs and still aren't able to realize that your reads are simply shit and that you don't question them enough, and you're throwing away the only chance you've left to narrow down the suspects cause you're so derp.

Go on

If you are an actual DT of any sort, then odds are you would die tonight regardless. Of those left alive, there's only one person who you could reasonably check and that is RO.
Sinani -- green check
Mocsta -- green check
Geript -- no check but obviously bad player and not scum
Yamato -- green and VT check
RO -- claimed Framer
Oats -- Obviously going to kill a DT if scum
Shelvocke -- VT IIRC and might not kill you

Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
April 17 2013 00:03 GMT
#3989
Other stuff, regarding OO and yamato

Earlier information by me, here:

+ Show Spoiler +
On April 12 2013 03:38 yamato77 wrote:
LET'S LYNCH MEAPAK


On April 12 2013 03:42 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2013 03:41 Keirathi wrote:
On April 12 2013 03:38 yamato77 wrote:
LET'S LYNCH MEAPAK

No.

YES


On April 12 2013 03:54 yamato77 wrote:
OO I have my vote on.

Most of Sharrant comes across as very "clean" and thought out, but I'm not going to call him scum for that, because it doesn't seem like a strong heuristic. He could very well be town, but the fact that he defended Artanis AND VE is not a good thing.

Show nested quote +
On April 10 2013 23:40 Sharrant wrote:
Good morning, everyone.

I'm glad to see I was wrong about Artanis and VisceraEyes.

I'll be writing up a longer post in a minute but I wanted to ask two questions first:

If the role reverser were used on a justice vigi when they shot a mafia member, what would be the end result? Would both/either player live through the shot?

If the role reverser used his power on the janitor when the janitor did not use his power, would it activate or would the role reverser fizzle out because no action was taken by the janitor?


Do people actually say that kind of shit when they're wrong? It seems unnaturally complacent with this "pro-town" ideal he has going on in ihis filter.

Show nested quote +
On April 12 2013 00:18 Sharrant wrote:
I'm not particularly happy with any other lynch right now. I'd like to lynch StrongAndBig as things currently stand. Even his lynch has too many "what ifs" in my mind, but that's the lynch I'm most confident in, unless someone has proof that BM is not JusticeVigi.

I agree with the plan to claim from the bottom up, I'm just waiting until we get up to me. I'll do my best to check in on the thread throughout the day, because I don't want to slow the claims down. It seems to likely to me that scum don't have BC, but there's still the possibility that they do.

My votes will be on StrongAndBig, and my second vote will be on Austin. If someone has an anti-nuke to save him, I'll likely move my vote.


This is the only other thing that makes me want to lynch him.


Sorry, but here's another thing that is similar to what you did with Artanis and VE. You shout someone is scum while softbussing scum.

You post like crazy that MZ is scum, then shortly affirm in your next post that your vote is on OO like it's some sort of justification for people telling you that MZ isn't a viable lynch for that day. You posted that last quote where you were voting for someone you thought might be scum more likely than the read you were pushing (MZ) as answer to this from austin:

What has sharrant or shelvocke done that makes them less likely mafia than MZ? OO? Mocsta? geript? There are a boatload of players who have done very little today, almost ALL of us have done very little of consequence.

You are tunneled in on these little weird things and need to expand your view. You want or wanted to kill BM, despite claiming that you picked justice vigi and didn't get it. He seems like the only person who fits the bill, and that means that, if he's town, he's shooting at mafia, and if he's mafia, he's shooting at mafia or dying. If he's actually justice vigi, that is ACTUALLY the worst possible lynch you could come up with. So...quit being tunneled in. It hasn't served you particularly well in some recent games, and right now it's not doing you any good.


Of which, out of all of them, you picked OO to put your vote on, while in a post shortly after you say this, except for geript these are the guys austin wondered about regarding you not wanting to lynch them:

On April 12 2013 04:03 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2013 03:58 yamato77 wrote:
On April 12 2013 03:51 austinmcc wrote:
On April 12 2013 03:45 yamato77 wrote:
On April 12 2013 03:42 austinmcc wrote:
If meapak were mafia he could have nuked D1 and didn't.

If meapak DOES have a silent nuke, it would have KILLED SOMEONE. Therefore, IF he had a silent nuke and used it, he killed either artanis or VE (the only people to die at the end of the day). They both flipped mafia. So IF there's a scary ol' silent nuke, it means he used it to kill mafia...

I don't terribly have a problem with someone thinking I was scum at the start of D2. I don't love my play up until that point, and could see nuking me if I were someone else. I don't find his play super anti-town in terms of nuke use except that he didn't check the thread a final time before posting what he'd been writing up.

What's he done today?

Seriously, the dude is LAZY MAFIA.

I've been saying it all game, and he's done absolutely fucking nothing.
Here's the thing. Maybe he's lazy mafia. If he's mafia, he voluntarily just didn't shoot D1. That seems like a poor choice. That's something that I would flag as saying, "Hey...hold up. This guy looks like he might be mafia, but he used his role in an odd manner for someone who is mafia." I would second guess my read on him.

Then I would go, "Wait a minute, snb claimed a cop check on MZ." If snb is lying, he's taking a risk that there are no other whatever-cops above him on the chart. A small risk, but a risk. And maybe MZ is a gf, that's a possibility. But again, it's SOME/SLIGHT/DECENT evidence that MZ might not be mafia.

Then, there are a couple other players with LESS in their favor, imo. What has sharrant or shelvocke done that makes them less likely mafia than MZ? OO? Mocsta? geript? There are a boatload of players who have done very little today, almost ALL of us have done very little of consequence.

You are tunneled in on these little weird things and need to expand your view. You want or wanted to kill BM, despite claiming that you picked justice vigi and didn't get it. He seems like the only person who fits the bill, and that means that, if he's town, he's shooting at mafia, and if he's mafia, he's shooting at mafia or dying. If he's actually justice vigi, that is ACTUALLY the worst possible lynch you could come up with. So...quit being tunneled in. It hasn't served you particularly well in some recent games, and right now it's not doing you any good.

I may appear tunneled, but in reality I'm just trying to work through some of the doubts I have about this game:

Mocsta and his shot
BM and his refusal to claim
Oats' entire play
M_Z and the mason circle
Sharrant
Shelvocke
Sinani and the check (GF?)
OO
Vivax
SnB
EVERY FLIP FROM NIGHT 1
RO

People I'm CONFIDENT that are town:
Geript
Sn0
Austin
Keirathi

You can see the discrepancy.

Now if I was to take things at face value ( like you guys suggest), then the only people I want to lynch into dwindles:

Shelvocke
Sharrant
OO

If 2/3 or 3/3 of the remaining mafia are among them, then yeah, you guys are obviously on the right track here, but you don't really need me to accomplish hunting them, do you? It's already done; I know they have a chance at being mafia, so I'm trying to pursue opinions on other people to get a more clear picture of the game that isn't "tunneled".


This just looks like you were afraid to have your vote on your actual scumread and picked your scumbuddy to drop your vote on while pushing for everything else, in order to have a reason to switch if you managed to convince others.
______________________________________________________________________________________________________

Next chapter, post-lynch, he starts saying all sorts of inconsistent stuff:

On April 12 2013 04:23 yamato77 wrote:
Has anyone considered this possibility?

If BM is telling the truth, and is JV who shot mafia Caller, and Deconduo was actually mafia Janitor, there's only 1/5 mafia left.

Seems possible, no?

Thus, if we lynch mafia and don't win the game, and there's no anti-town third party, one of Mocsta/BM is probably mafia.

That's how I reached that conclusion.


On April 12 2013 10:46 yamato77 wrote:
Yeah, just shoot Vivax.


On April 12 2013 12:40 yamato77 wrote:
Other potential candidate for last mafia if both Moc and BM are town is Shelvocke.

So yeah, this game is almost solved, assuming there are no more GF flips.


On April 13 2013 04:21 yamato77 wrote:
>_>

You guys are making this game more complicated than it should be.

How about we lynch Mocsta, since his shot was not on scum?


(Picking Mocsta over BM lol)

On April 13 2013 12:39 yamato77 wrote:
##Vote Vivax

Vivax isn't even interested in the game anymore, and is no longer active. He, as town, is spammy as fuck and insane the entire game.

Kill it.


Picking me over Shelvocke who he had as scum during lynch-day.


More stuff:

OO had been afk for a while, then Mocsta made case on OO and voted him. Yamato reacts with this:

On April 11 2013 14:54 yamato77 wrote:
I don't like killing OO.

He has been very uninvolved compared to Red Team's Prize, though.


Oats declares that he wants to lynch OO as second in vote row (of valid votes) here, Obvious makes comeback post, and yamato responds to it with this.

Yamato slaps down his vote on two? guys, OO and some other dude, here, then comes back later and pulls off the same shit he did with VE and Artanis (being weak busses), he tries to start a bandwagon on another player, MZ here.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
April 17 2013 00:05 GMT
#3990
Well.

I re read the yam exchanges this morning, and changed my mind

Turned out the thread came to the same conclusion.

Whilst I'm still finding yam useless, his posts last night seem genuine. I have been demotivated several times end game.. And his posts completely brought me back to that mindset.


So vivax is definitely getting lynched. No point recommenting on all ready good points. Best quote by far is the one I highlighted previously as well.

The oo, IS vivax comrade in arms or comrade at war.

So for second lynch, it is between oats and shelvocke.

Pros Shevlocke
Confirmed vt as said

Cons Shevlocke
Showtime whilst picked by town.. Already was thread knowledge
Has done nothing all game.... Which is prob a null tell as iirc his votes were on the right people.


Pro oats
Stupid posts as usual
Recruiting mason is a weak Mafia role
Provided opposition to bm wifom list

Cons oats
Really disruptive this game


The pro/cons aren't necessarily scum/town tells.

I'm in agreeance.

##unvote:yamato77
##unvote: ?Shevlocke?

##vote: vivax
##vote:shelvocke

Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
April 17 2013 00:07 GMT
#3991
Every time yamato posted a scumread on some scummer, he didn't follow it through and didn't try hard to get them lynched, instead he talked about a lot of other stuff after posting something against them, that's easily visible in the filter.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
April 17 2013 00:08 GMT
#3992
That's a good reason to lynch someone, not a comrade in arms or not post, that was a reference to me smurfing as Ghor in Noir Mini, where I wrote like a retarded russian.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
April 17 2013 00:09 GMT
#3993
On April 17 2013 09:03 Vivax wrote:
Other stuff, regarding OO and yamato

Earlier information by me, here:

+ Show Spoiler +
On April 12 2013 03:38 yamato77 wrote:
LET'S LYNCH MEAPAK


On April 12 2013 03:42 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2013 03:41 Keirathi wrote:
On April 12 2013 03:38 yamato77 wrote:
LET'S LYNCH MEAPAK

No.

YES


On April 12 2013 03:54 yamato77 wrote:
OO I have my vote on.

Most of Sharrant comes across as very "clean" and thought out, but I'm not going to call him scum for that, because it doesn't seem like a strong heuristic. He could very well be town, but the fact that he defended Artanis AND VE is not a good thing.

Show nested quote +
On April 10 2013 23:40 Sharrant wrote:
Good morning, everyone.

I'm glad to see I was wrong about Artanis and VisceraEyes.

I'll be writing up a longer post in a minute but I wanted to ask two questions first:

If the role reverser were used on a justice vigi when they shot a mafia member, what would be the end result? Would both/either player live through the shot?

If the role reverser used his power on the janitor when the janitor did not use his power, would it activate or would the role reverser fizzle out because no action was taken by the janitor?


Do people actually say that kind of shit when they're wrong? It seems unnaturally complacent with this "pro-town" ideal he has going on in ihis filter.

Show nested quote +
On April 12 2013 00:18 Sharrant wrote:
I'm not particularly happy with any other lynch right now. I'd like to lynch StrongAndBig as things currently stand. Even his lynch has too many "what ifs" in my mind, but that's the lynch I'm most confident in, unless someone has proof that BM is not JusticeVigi.

I agree with the plan to claim from the bottom up, I'm just waiting until we get up to me. I'll do my best to check in on the thread throughout the day, because I don't want to slow the claims down. It seems to likely to me that scum don't have BC, but there's still the possibility that they do.

My votes will be on StrongAndBig, and my second vote will be on Austin. If someone has an anti-nuke to save him, I'll likely move my vote.


This is the only other thing that makes me want to lynch him.


Sorry, but here's another thing that is similar to what you did with Artanis and VE. You shout someone is scum while softbussing scum.

You post like crazy that MZ is scum, then shortly affirm in your next post that your vote is on OO like it's some sort of justification for people telling you that MZ isn't a viable lynch for that day. You posted that last quote where you were voting for someone you thought might be scum more likely than the read you were pushing (MZ) as answer to this from austin:

What has sharrant or shelvocke done that makes them less likely mafia than MZ? OO? Mocsta? geript? There are a boatload of players who have done very little today, almost ALL of us have done very little of consequence.

You are tunneled in on these little weird things and need to expand your view. You want or wanted to kill BM, despite claiming that you picked justice vigi and didn't get it. He seems like the only person who fits the bill, and that means that, if he's town, he's shooting at mafia, and if he's mafia, he's shooting at mafia or dying. If he's actually justice vigi, that is ACTUALLY the worst possible lynch you could come up with. So...quit being tunneled in. It hasn't served you particularly well in some recent games, and right now it's not doing you any good.


Of which, out of all of them, you picked OO to put your vote on, while in a post shortly after you say this, except for geript these are the guys austin wondered about regarding you not wanting to lynch them:

On April 12 2013 04:03 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2013 03:58 yamato77 wrote:
On April 12 2013 03:51 austinmcc wrote:
On April 12 2013 03:45 yamato77 wrote:
On April 12 2013 03:42 austinmcc wrote:
If meapak were mafia he could have nuked D1 and didn't.

If meapak DOES have a silent nuke, it would have KILLED SOMEONE. Therefore, IF he had a silent nuke and used it, he killed either artanis or VE (the only people to die at the end of the day). They both flipped mafia. So IF there's a scary ol' silent nuke, it means he used it to kill mafia...

I don't terribly have a problem with someone thinking I was scum at the start of D2. I don't love my play up until that point, and could see nuking me if I were someone else. I don't find his play super anti-town in terms of nuke use except that he didn't check the thread a final time before posting what he'd been writing up.

What's he done today?

Seriously, the dude is LAZY MAFIA.

I've been saying it all game, and he's done absolutely fucking nothing.
Here's the thing. Maybe he's lazy mafia. If he's mafia, he voluntarily just didn't shoot D1. That seems like a poor choice. That's something that I would flag as saying, "Hey...hold up. This guy looks like he might be mafia, but he used his role in an odd manner for someone who is mafia." I would second guess my read on him.

Then I would go, "Wait a minute, snb claimed a cop check on MZ." If snb is lying, he's taking a risk that there are no other whatever-cops above him on the chart. A small risk, but a risk. And maybe MZ is a gf, that's a possibility. But again, it's SOME/SLIGHT/DECENT evidence that MZ might not be mafia.

Then, there are a couple other players with LESS in their favor, imo. What has sharrant or shelvocke done that makes them less likely mafia than MZ? OO? Mocsta? geript? There are a boatload of players who have done very little today, almost ALL of us have done very little of consequence.

You are tunneled in on these little weird things and need to expand your view. You want or wanted to kill BM, despite claiming that you picked justice vigi and didn't get it. He seems like the only person who fits the bill, and that means that, if he's town, he's shooting at mafia, and if he's mafia, he's shooting at mafia or dying. If he's actually justice vigi, that is ACTUALLY the worst possible lynch you could come up with. So...quit being tunneled in. It hasn't served you particularly well in some recent games, and right now it's not doing you any good.

I may appear tunneled, but in reality I'm just trying to work through some of the doubts I have about this game:

Mocsta and his shot
BM and his refusal to claim
Oats' entire play
M_Z and the mason circle
Sharrant
Shelvocke
Sinani and the check (GF?)
OO
Vivax
SnB
EVERY FLIP FROM NIGHT 1
RO

People I'm CONFIDENT that are town:
Geript
Sn0
Austin
Keirathi

You can see the discrepancy.

Now if I was to take things at face value ( like you guys suggest), then the only people I want to lynch into dwindles:

S
Sharrant
OO

If 2/3 or 3/3 of the remaining mafia are among them, then yeah, you guys are obviously on the right track here, but you don't really need me to accomplish hunting them, do you? It's already done; I know they have a chance at being mafia, so I'm trying to pursue opinions on other people to get a more clear picture of the game that isn't "tunneled".


This just looks like you were afraid to have your vote on your actual scumread and picked your scumbuddy to drop your vote on while pushing for everything else, in order to have a reason to switch if you managed to convince others.
______________________________________________________________________________________________________

Next chapter, post-lynch, he starts saying all sorts of inconsistent stuff:

On April 12 2013 04:23 yamato77 wrote:
Has anyone considered this possibility?

If BM is telling the truth, and is JV who shot mafia Caller, and Deconduo was actually mafia Janitor, there's only 1/5 mafia left.

Seems possible, no?

Thus, if we lynch mafia and don't win the game, and there's no anti-town third party, one of Mocsta/BM is probably mafia.

That's how I reached that conclusion.


On April 12 2013 10:46 yamato77 wrote:
Yeah, just shoot Vivax.


On April 12 2013 12:40 yamato77 wrote:
Other potential candidate for last mafia if both Moc and BM are town is Shelvocke.

So yeah, this game is almost solved, assuming there are no more GF flips.


On April 13 2013 04:21 yamato77 wrote:
>_>

You guys are making this game more complicated than it should be.

How about we lynch Mocsta, since his shot was not on scum?


(Picking Mocsta over BM lol)

On April 13 2013 12:39 yamato77 wrote:
##Vote Vivax

Vivax isn't even interested in the game anymore, and is no longer active. He, as town, is spammy as fuck and insane the entire game.

Kill it.


Picking me over Shelvocke who he had as scum during lynch-day.


More stuff:

OO had been afk for a while, then Mocsta made case on OO and voted him. Yamato reacts with this:

Show nested quote +
On April 11 2013 14:54 yamato77 wrote:
I don't like killing OO.

He has been very uninvolved compared to Red Team's Prize, though.


Oats declares that he wants to lynch OO as second in vote row (of valid votes) here, Obvious makes comeback post, and yamato responds to it with this.

Yamato slaps down his vote on two? guys, OO and some other dude, here, then comes back later and pulls off the same shit he did with VE and Artanis (being weak busses), he tries to start a bandwagon on another player, MZ here.
yeah and that's not scummy by itself.
Everyone has bad games, and that is trepidation in my opinion, as opposed to intentional misdirection.

I think it is town who writes concerns like that bluntly.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
April 17 2013 00:14 GMT
#3994
Whatever, I dug up a lot of information and reasoning lately and can't say much more. Lynch your last cop and proceed to realize yamato is scum and Shelvocke possibly traitor when it should be an idiot-safe choice to make, maybe you'll pass that test later if you get the chance to. Oats (for early OO vote), RO , Mocsta, geript, sinani (if not godfather as addition) town. So take your pick.

The uncounterclaimed parity cop versus two vanilla of which one helped BM's claim and the other has 3 pages of filter, you guys are really smart.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
April 17 2013 00:14 GMT
#3995
Mocsta, what do you think of my association stuff?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
April 17 2013 00:14 GMT
#3996
Pretty hard to lose in that case though so I shouldn't even be mad.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
April 17 2013 00:22 GMT
#3997
Vivax

Last chance

Explain to me why ro is town to you.
And if he is framer, why he can't have godfather perk.

Gogogo
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
April 17 2013 00:23 GMT
#3998
On April 17 2013 09:22 Mocsta wrote:
Vivax

Last chance

Explain to me why ro is town to you.
And if he is framer, why he can't have godfather perk.

Gogogo




It's up to you to make the correct choice, I did identify the scum, so suck it.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
April 17 2013 00:27 GMT
#3999
On April 17 2013 09:14 geript wrote:
Mocsta, what do you think of my association stuff?

To be frank I only skimmed it.

Went out last night so didn't have the time I wanted to put into the game to filter dive.


Prob is all the candidates have bad play aspects. Town just need to confirm whether its poor play or scumplay.

Im confident everyone is laughing and giving us shit in the obsqt and scum is prob pretty obvious.

The thing in our favour is we should have the numbers advantage so it doesnt matter who is shot. Lynch systematically to the win.

Regardless of filter quality, that is vivax and Shevlocke first up.

Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
April 17 2013 00:30 GMT
#4000
On April 17 2013 09:23 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2013 09:22 Mocsta wrote:
Vivax

Last chance

Explain to me why ro is town to you.
And if he is framer, why he can't have godfather perk.

Gogogo




It's up to you to make the correct choice, I did identify the scum, so suck it.

Who says that was a choice.

I wanted to see validation behind a read.

To me right now, increased activity is alignment null. It was clear I was valuing activity as a town tell.

That was just my way to force scum to particate.

I'm finding your cases jump to a lot of hasty and fabricated conclusions.

Could be bad town or desperate scum.

Considering u did nothing all game till balls are on the chopping block.
I'm leaning desperate scum

Your response to that last request does nothing to deter that opinion
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