EPTOn April 07 2013 23:35 Vivax wrote:
Anyone else finding S & B scummy?
Anyone else finding S & B scummy?
Why would you make a post like this?
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On April 08 2013 00:24 Vivax wrote: Uh, dunno, let me think. Ah right, to know who agrees with me? You don't find him scummy, I deduce from your post? Either you're not reading the thread at all or you are trying to bandwagon S+B without being blatantly obvious about it. Did you know several people have said he's scummy, and that he's was leading in votes when you posted that? You also gave no reasoning behind the post, it just came out of nowhere. That just screams bandwagon attempt to me. | ||
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On April 08 2013 00:44 Palmar wrote: For the record I think deconduo is town, although I'm not sure I agree with him a lot. Probably right not to, I'm a terrible scumhunter  | ||
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On April 08 2013 00:54 Vivax wrote: I didn't take count of those who found S & B scummy, it was just my quick evaluation upon reviewing his filter while looking for his draft numbers. He didn't tell us yet, like Caller and geript. No need for me to get a bandwagon starting when there already is one, apparently. So you didn't catch up on the thread before posting that, you just read S+B's filter? Makes sense, but probably not something you should be doing. Even just a quick skim of the thread is important so you get an idea of where other people are at. | ||
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On April 08 2013 01:28 Vivax wrote: Deconduo I have a question. Since you have S & B as scumread, why did you look so skeptical towards my question? Would expect you to pop in and say: "Yeah I think he's totes scum too, vote him cause bsbsbsb, go read my case and shit, you're on the right track mate". Instead you didn't seem to happy about someone actually liking your own scumread, and even would have FOUND IT SCUMMY if I had been trying to start a bandwagon on him. What gives? I have no problem with you finding S+B scummy. The problem is in the way you phrased your post. 'Does anyone else find S+B scummy?' If you had been reading the thread, or looked at the voting thread you would KNOW this is the case. You are then essentially coming along and saying 'I want to lynch S+B, but lets make it look like I'm not jumping on the bandwagon.' Therefore: 1. You didn't read the thread OR 2. You are doing something incredibly scummy. You came back and verified that it was the first case, so I'm happy for now. | ||
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See above post. | ||
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On April 08 2013 01:29 VisceraEyes wrote: You accuse Vivax of not reading the thread, but somehow you missed the fact that gonzaw was scheduled for an earth-shattering scum-destroying case at the end of his countdown? I knew what was coming at the end of the countdown. I wanted to know wtf was the point of it. Then I realised it was counting down to his 3000th post. | ||
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On April 08 2013 01:38 Vivax wrote: It's weird, decon. Why would you expect scum to casually jump on a bus wagon against a buddy trying to look like they're not doing so? I actually thought that's what scum would attempt against townies, not scum. Your reason for finding me scummy isn't really consistent with you finding S & B scummy. Cause in that mindset, I don't think you would fear scum sneaking onto the bandwagon like you thought I was. You are completely missing the point. Question. If you had read the thread completely, and knew S+B was already under strong suspicion, would you have posted this: On April 07 2013 23:35 Vivax wrote: Anyone else finding S & B scummy? | ||
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On April 08 2013 02:01 austinmcc wrote: Vivax is missing the point, but he's not new and I wouldn't attribute that post to him being scummy. Yes, it shows that he's not following his read throughout the thread there, but it's not like scumVivax should be popping into thread and dropping that question without reading through to see what's happened. gonzaw, thoughts on shelvocke? The reason that post stood out is that it was completely at odds with his posting style up to that point. I just wanted to know if he posted it without reading the thread, and he admitted that he did. Overall its a null read to me as I've never played with him before so I don't know what his meta is. If he admitted posting it knowing S+B was under suspicion, THAT would have been much more of a red flag. I just wanted clarification. | ||
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-I think X is scummy -Y votes for X You seem to think that means I should assume Y is town. This obviously completely wrong. There is nothing stopping Y being scum and X being town. | ||
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On April 08 2013 04:30 strongandbig wrote: hey guys im grading problem sets right now but i took some time off to read the thread (lol 250 new posts) and heres what i got gonzaws artanis case: - accurately attacks his bad case on geript - accurately attacks artanis for "out of place complaints about the town/thread", something that seems like a decent scumhunting heuristic but i hadn't really thought about before - "other people are ignoring him" is a bad point, there hasn't been much reason to focus on him until now - "fake aggression" really is more of a meta point, i would need to see examples of previous cases i really don't like oatsmaster's post (18223749), it's pretty terribad. if artanis is scum i could see oats being scum too. or even if artanis isn't scum. i like how gonzaw is actually trying to get people to pay attention to his big post#3000 case in here is my answer to the case on me obviousone in his post 18223896 makes the correct distinction, what i meant when i said "picking phase strategy" was the actual role picking, all the number picking strategy was stupid. basically, the only reason the attacks on me make sense is because i said that thing about the picking phase strategy being important, and then wasn't around to actually talk about or make plans during the actual picking phase. Well, the reason i wasn't around is that i wasn't around. i have at least three other time-occuping activities (girlfriend-having, apartment-hunting, and homework-doing) that are more important to me than mafia and i was doing those things friday and saturday. now, that angle of attack is legitimate. it's incorrect because just being afk for a few days doesn't make me mafia. but it's legitimate. the people who are attacking me for being off my meta are just ridiculous and/or lazy. if you actually want to look into my town meta, you need to look further back than just one game. criticizing bad posts is something i quite enjoy, and if you think me doing it makes me scum then i lol. lurking on occasion is also something i do, and if you think that makes me scum then i also lol. post 18223971 geript votes for ryan for what appears to be no reason at all, weird because i remember seeing some townie stuff from geript earlier in the game. but this post is, what, an association case between ryan and meapak, without actually saying why he things meapak is scum? and also the fact that ryan doesn't comment on gonzaws artanis case? hmmmmmm, what is geript's comment on that case? oatsmaster wants to lynch vivax why? artanis's response to the gonzaw case - unconvincing but not obviously wrong, not sure here. vivax: "anyone else finding s & b scummy" lol oh my draft numbers were [4][2] visceraeyes 18227911 what a terrible post deconduo had just made a case on me and was following it up with a vote completely different than what vivax did visceraeyes Y U NO PAY ATTENTION gonzaw says vig shot me VIGS DONT SHOOT ME I WILL DO GOOD THINGS FOR TOWN!!!!!!!! Welcome to the game ##Unvote: StrongandBig | ||
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On April 08 2013 04:52 strongandbig wrote: i would think about killing VE because of how bad his vote on deconduo is but it would take some persuading for me to do that. I think he's just trying to pressure me. He hasn't done anything scummy enough to get lynched yet. | ||
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On April 08 2013 04:52 gonzaw wrote: I made that post before you posted s&b. Hye deconduo, what do you think about the Artanis case? You seemed too hung up with the Vivax issue to comment on it. Vivax too. My first impression of artanis was town, but I haven't been following the case as you said. I'll take a look now. | ||
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I've just read over Sno's filter from the 3 Newbie games he was in. First of all, he posted a shitload more in the first two games he played. He was active, he made good cases and generally played well. He was town in both games. In his third game he subbed in as scum about 2/3 of the way through. He posted a lot less than his first two games, and got lynched pretty quickly. However as this was a sub-in I wouldn't put too much weight in this. He also still posted a hell of a lot more than he has so far this game. I'd be almost willing to vote him on this alone, but it could be some RL reasons keeping him from posting. | ||
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On April 08 2013 05:16 gonzaw wrote: Hmm, one quick question guys (please answer): Are you content with the way this D1 is going? As in, how discussion in general is going, how scumhunting is going, how pressure on players is going, how consolidation is going, etc? How players are part of thread/discussions, etc? I personally don't like it that much. Its pretty slow, but that's not unusual for games without a mayoral election. | ||
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On April 08 2013 05:53 ObviousOne wrote: If I could grill and play at the same time I totally would. I see that gonzaw wants me to draw conclusions from my supplement to his meta case (since he done failed at doing it all proper like) so I guess I'll check Artanis' town games too for myself. I know we played together in Fruity. I'll get back with you after I finish grilling and consuming these ribs. Don't hate. Cool. Next on my list: ##Vote: Shelvocke | ||
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On April 08 2013 06:01 gonzaw wrote: Wait deconduo, have you mentioned why you want to kill Shevlocke before? I've skimmed your filter and didn't see anything (I may have missed it though) Nope. Just want to pressure him and see if he appears like OO did. | ||
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Sinani and Shelvocke next please. | ||
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