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On April 12 2013 08:50 Sharrant wrote:
Hey, guys, so I finally got to read the last few pages. I think StrongAndBig is the last member of the mafia.
Apparently he is the detective, which is what the mafia would have wanted as their fifth slot, in my opinion.
If Caller was mafia showtime, VE the mafia NRA, Deconduo the mafia janitor, and Artanis was the Mafia Assassin then where was their ability to determine a players role? Their last slot would either have to either be a role thief (who stole Decon's role just before he died and used it in his stead, perhaps having a mafia bonus to be able to use it twice) or a role that detects other players roles. I don't believe CPR doctor was chosen by mafia, so this seems to be the likely solution to me.
I completely believe his claim of being Detective, but I am sure he is the mafia detective.
Why would mafia take Detective instead of the safer Role Cop (or even better, Capitalist) picks?
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Also: Today is a double lynch. Who else do you want to lynch? Why?
How do you feel about Vivax?
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On April 12 2013 08:52 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2013 08:50 Sharrant wrote:
Hey, guys, so I finally got to read the last few pages. I think StrongAndBig is the last member of the mafia.
Apparently he is the detective, which is what the mafia would have wanted as their fifth slot, in my opinion.
If Caller was mafia showtime, VE the mafia NRA, Deconduo the mafia janitor, and Artanis was the Mafia Assassin then where was their ability to determine a players role? Their last slot would either have to either be a role thief (who stole Decon's role just before he died and used it in his stead, perhaps having a mafia bonus to be able to use it twice) or a role that detects other players roles. I don't believe CPR doctor was chosen by mafia, so this seems to be the likely solution to me.
I completely believe his claim of being Detective, but I am sure he is the mafia detective. Why would mafia take Detective instead of the safer Role Cop (or even better, Capitalist) picks?
He was in 7th draft pick, and there was another mafia member above him so essentially he was in 6th slot. He was quite high up the list, I think it was a safe bet AND it denies town both a role check and an alignment check.
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Well I'm glad to know my vote on Sharrant is a good one.
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On April 12 2013 08:54 Sharrant wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2013 08:52 Keirathi wrote:On April 12 2013 08:50 Sharrant wrote:
Hey, guys, so I finally got to read the last few pages. I think StrongAndBig is the last member of the mafia.
Apparently he is the detective, which is what the mafia would have wanted as their fifth slot, in my opinion.
If Caller was mafia showtime, VE the mafia NRA, Deconduo the mafia janitor, and Artanis was the Mafia Assassin then where was their ability to determine a players role? Their last slot would either have to either be a role thief (who stole Decon's role just before he died and used it in his stead, perhaps having a mafia bonus to be able to use it twice) or a role that detects other players roles. I don't believe CPR doctor was chosen by mafia, so this seems to be the likely solution to me.
I completely believe his claim of being Detective, but I am sure he is the mafia detective. Why would mafia take Detective instead of the safer Role Cop (or even better, Capitalist) picks? He was in 7th draft pick, and there was another mafia member above him so essentially he was in 6th slot. He was quite high up the list, I think it was a safe bet AND it denies town both a role check and an alignment check.
Still doesn't answer why not Capitalist. Capitalist is like, an awesome middle ground. One extra vig KP, and some role checks. Is denying town the DT worth it?
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On April 12 2013 08:54 Keirathi wrote:
Also: Today is a double lynch. Who else do you want to lynch? Why?
How do you feel about Vivax?
I'm not entirely sure, to be honest. It seems to me there is only one mafia left, and StrongAndBig is the person I think far and away most likely to be mafia. I'm more comfortable with a single lynch since Austin is essentially already an extra lynch.
I'll give Vivax a read through right now. From what I can remember he's acted far more sane this game than when I played with him, but someone mentioned this play is similar to his play on a smurf. He also at least seems on the same page about StrongAndBig which is a point for him in my books, but if StrongAndBig isn't the last mafia then that really means nothing. The last point alone makes him townie enough for me to want to lynch him until it's proven that StrongAndBig isn't the last mafia.
My initial impression is still that any lynch I see today would benefit threefold by having another day which should resolve the BM situation that has its tendrils in just about every case I can think of.
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On April 12 2013 08:58 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2013 08:54 Sharrant wrote:On April 12 2013 08:52 Keirathi wrote:On April 12 2013 08:50 Sharrant wrote:
Hey, guys, so I finally got to read the last few pages. I think StrongAndBig is the last member of the mafia.
Apparently he is the detective, which is what the mafia would have wanted as their fifth slot, in my opinion.
If Caller was mafia showtime, VE the mafia NRA, Deconduo the mafia janitor, and Artanis was the Mafia Assassin then where was their ability to determine a players role? Their last slot would either have to either be a role thief (who stole Decon's role just before he died and used it in his stead, perhaps having a mafia bonus to be able to use it twice) or a role that detects other players roles. I don't believe CPR doctor was chosen by mafia, so this seems to be the likely solution to me.
I completely believe his claim of being Detective, but I am sure he is the mafia detective. Why would mafia take Detective instead of the safer Role Cop (or even better, Capitalist) picks? He was in 7th draft pick, and there was another mafia member above him so essentially he was in 6th slot. He was quite high up the list, I think it was a safe bet AND it denies town both a role check and an alignment check. Still doesn't answer why not Capitalist. Capitalist is like, an awesome middle ground. One extra vig KP, and some role checks. Is denying town the DT worth it?
Probably the same reason I didn't try at Capilast, it felt more like an early draft choice than Detective did. I was fairly certain it wouldn't've made it out of the top 5 slots.
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Unvoted Sharrant cause OO is a better lynch if I'm the first or second.
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Sharrant: What about Meapak?
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Don't forget to look well into Oats,BM, MZ, Mocsta, Sharrant these are likely candidates for last scum assuming all DT checks are correct.
Do your work and gl town.
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You're not in second Vivax. OO+Sharrant are the lynches right now.
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Also one more question for Sharrant: On day 1, you wrote up a big case about why OO was scum. What made you change your mind today, and why aren't you voting for him anymore?
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Well I don't want him to get lynched before OO that's for sure. If someone plans to switches to me and Sharrant he might hinder OO's lynch.
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On April 12 2013 09:15 Keirathi wrote:
Sharrant: What about Meapak?
I don't mind him too much right now. I think that his shot on Austin was very bad play, but I liked his reaction to it when he saw your claim about Austin. Sure, he could've faked it, I wouldn't put it past him. But I'd rather keep as many people alive as possible. I don't know how to take him not coming back to the thread for so long though. That could've been an embarassed townie being glad he didn't have to stick around after his mistake or a mafia looking to clam up and not reveal anything before he was "officially" dead.
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On April 12 2013 09:24 Sharrant wrote:I don't mind him too much right now. I think that his shot on Austin was very bad play, but I liked his reaction to it when he saw your claim about Austin. Sure, he could've faked it, I wouldn't put it past him. But I'd rather keep as many people alive as possible. I don't know how to take him not coming back to the thread for so long though. That could've been an embarassed townie being glad he didn't have to stick around after his mistake or a mafia looking to clam up and not reveal anything before he was "officially" dead.
So this isn't your position anymore?
On April 04 2013 12:23 Sharrant wrote:
1. America should not be picked by any town member. I don't think it very strongly benefits town. The only way I think it benefits town is if it is used by a town player to essentially act as a second lynch. I believe that America must announce its nuke in the thread (someone please correct me if I'm wrong). This is my proposal. Either A) we all agree to avoid the role. No town member takes it, thus if it is ever used we will know that a mafia member took it. or B) If someone does pick it they announce themselves right away and we use it as a second lynch. Announcing it after day 1, or using the power to kill someone that the town does not agree on should be seen as that person claiming scum.
I personally prefer option A, but I can't control anyone.
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On April 12 2013 09:23 Vivax wrote:
Well I don't want him to get lynched before OO that's for sure. If someone plans to switches to me and Sharrant he might hinder OO's lynch.
There are 9 votes on OO, 8 on Sharrant (including yours), and 7 on you. I doubt 2 people are going to unvote OO to put both you and Sharrant over him.
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On April 12 2013 09:22 Keirathi wrote:
Also one more question for Sharrant: On day 1, you wrote up a big case about why OO was scum. What made you change your mind today, and why aren't you voting for him anymore?
I posted this before I think. If BM is JV like it seems, then Caller was being set up to be the scum to win the game. They were putting him to squeak by to LyLo on the back of his Artanis kill. And while Artanis was set to die/during the night Caller was calling both OO and Rayne scum. If BM is JV then there is no chance OO is scum. Because A) Caller would've been set to kill another mafia after they had already lost 2 members. B) because BM as JV and Decon as scum mean that there is only one scum left. I think that StrongAndBig fits that more than anyone.
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On April 12 2013 09:25 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2013 09:24 Sharrant wrote:On April 12 2013 09:15 Keirathi wrote:
Sharrant: What about Meapak? I don't mind him too much right now. I think that his shot on Austin was very bad play, but I liked his reaction to it when he saw your claim about Austin. Sure, he could've faked it, I wouldn't put it past him. But I'd rather keep as many people alive as possible. I don't know how to take him not coming back to the thread for so long though. That could've been an embarassed townie being glad he didn't have to stick around after his mistake or a mafia looking to clam up and not reveal anything before he was "officially" dead. So this isn't your position anymore? Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 12:23 Sharrant wrote:
1. America should not be picked by any town member. I don't think it very strongly benefits town. The only way I think it benefits town is if it is used by a town player to essentially act as a second lynch. I believe that America must announce its nuke in the thread (someone please correct me if I'm wrong). This is my proposal. Either A) we all agree to avoid the role. No town member takes it, thus if it is ever used we will know that a mafia member took it. or B) If someone does pick it they announce themselves right away and we use it as a second lynch. Announcing it after day 1, or using the power to kill someone that the town does not agree on should be seen as that person claiming scum.
I personally prefer option A, but I can't control anyone.
I prefer that much more than what we have right now, but with no one else to back it up it becomes a moot thing. The whole point of it is to lengthen the game by scaring people off of using nukes and kill roles, but when it's just one person that nobody really listens to it doesn't work very well.
Aside from that, like I've said, it's unrealistic for him to be scum based on numbers, so I'd rather focus on the person who I think is most likely to be scum, and then if he's not BM will be resolved tonight and that will either mean the assumptions I've been using are correct, or they've been incorrect.
Once I know that I'll either have to reevaluate or keep going after people I think would fit the slot as the last scum member.
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On April 12 2013 09:01 Sharrant wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2013 08:54 Keirathi wrote:
Also: Today is a double lynch. Who else do you want to lynch? Why?
How do you feel about Vivax? I'm not entirely sure, to be honest. It seems to me there is only one mafia left, and StrongAndBig is the person I think far and away most likely to be mafia. I'm more comfortable with a single lynch since Austin is essentially already an extra lynch. I'll give Vivax a read through right now. From what I can remember he's acted far more sane this game than when I played with him, but someone mentioned this play is similar to his play on a smurf. He also at least seems on the same page about StrongAndBig which is a point for him in my books, but if StrongAndBig isn't the last mafia then that really means nothing. The last point alone makes him townie enough for me to want to lynch him until it's proven that StrongAndBig isn't the last mafia. My initial impression is still that any lynch I see today would benefit threefold by having another day which should resolve the BM situation that has its tendrils in just about every case I can think of.
I must say that I found this part to look pretty townie though, but it's not possible to not double lynch today. I found Sharrant to look scummy during Normal Mini II (I think it was that) but he was town.
I think the problem about his play is that he looks so thought out and careful but I read this quite early post
+ Show Spoiler +On April 07 2013 06:43 Sharrant wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 04:27 VisceraEyes wrote:
Whatever. Kill me then. I can't hunt scum while not a single person in the entire game is taking me seriously.
##Vote: RestrainingOrder Hi, Viscera. I'm pretty much null on your actions, so I want you to help me. Now, the reason I'm null on you is because I know I can't read you. Last game we played I thought I had a slam dunk case on you, and you were town. Now I might be reaching with this, but I want you to help me talk about Keirathi. See, just a short while ago there was talk about why Keirathi was scum, I think there're some really valid points in there. And I think a few others saw it too, but then suddenly the town was dragged off of this and into a spammy little brawl focused on antogonizing you and painting you as scum. Maybe you're scum, maybe you're not, but the way the thread has turned suggests to me you're not. This feels more to me like you're getting attacked the same way that caused Marvellosity to explode when he was town in a recent game. So I want you to talk to me about Keirathi, who after being called out has dissapeared after the cases on him, and I just want your opinion on Rayne because frankly I'm not quite sure how to read him. Do you think this could be mafia Keirathi's team trying to drag the town away from him after he got caught by causing a spammy mess on day 1? Do you think this is more likely town getting in an argument that is not indicative of Keirathi's alignment? And then your opinion on Keirathi himself and Rayne would be great., thank you.
and it doesn't look to me like a scum interaction. But I can't offer my lynch to stop his lynch cause I would essentially be throwing away next night's check. If I could pick only to lynch OO today I would pick that I think.
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@Vivax
You can always put a vote on Austin, he's set to die today, so it's like voting for a single lynch.
I encourage everyone to think about what I've said about StrongAndBig. If you lynch me today, that's fine, but please shoot or lynch StrongAndBig afterwards.
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