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On April 15 2013 01:58 geript wrote:
Scum took justice vig. They clearly asked about that. Why is it unbelievable that they could take NKVD and get roles off of it.
For the same reason I don't think it likely that if Vivax is actually a Parity Cop that he is scum. I feel like that kind of bonus fundamentally changes how a role is designed and starts clashing with other roles, doing the exact same job. Maybe it is possible, I dunno. Of the two role bonuses we have evidence for, one was just an addon self-preservation power, and one (apparently) was a complete reversal of the role. (And I don't actually think this fundamentally makes the role start clashing with other roles...although it does provide a similar outcome, the mechanics are still different).
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Lynching for a traitor is dumb. We dont' know that there's a traitor or not.
Lynch for scum. If we kill 5, and the game is still going, THEN worry about it.
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I sort of agree with yamato, here. Vivax just isn't even trying, and dropped a weak vote on Oats.
S&B's "plan around the cops", while I don't fully agree with it, shows that he cares about the game at least.
Just lynch Vivax.
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Also I went back and looked at WLIIA (maybe S&B's best scum game, ever?), and he defended his teammates until it was 100% obvious they were going to get lynched.
That makes me feel a bit better about him and his push on OO on night 1->day 2 this game.
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On April 15 2013 09:05 Mocsta wrote:
Ppl get confused witht he use of 'bus".. bus is intention to lynch... whereas ppl are actually thinking of 'distancing"
When I look at S&B's filter, it feels like a fairly genuine progression of his read towards OO. Calls him weak scum day 1, some people die, starts getting more sure, repeatedly brings him up day 2, etc.
When I was looking through S&B, it was easily the strongest town point in his favor.
You disagree?
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Although I guess a counterpoint is that despite all of his opinions about OO, he was one of the last people to actually vote him. Meh.
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Whatevs, I don't feel like its worth arguing about, since I do still think there's a decent chance that S&B is the last scum.
My point was that I just find it slightly more likely that the guy who doesn't give a shit and isn't doing anything but dropping a random vote is scum than the guy who started calling out OO as soon as OO started calling Artanis scum. And said that he should be vigged night 1 before there was much information about what roles were in the game. Whatever you want to say about calling it distancing vs bussing, that would be weird scumplay.
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On April 15 2013 11:33 strongandbig wrote:
i already went into that. checks tonight should be on oatsmaster, RO, and me. (but you guys are being stupid).
I think you all are morons for lynching me; sure, if you guess correctly and i'm scum, then we can end the game a bit faster, but the safe way for town to play is to keep all the dts alive until we can check everyone. the fact that all you impulsive morons (geript, mocsta, vivax, etc) don't see this makes perfect sense to me, but the fact that keirathi doesn't see the sense in this worries me.
scum is staying in the game despite the fact that we have three DTs. That's what makes me think there may be a traitor left. Which leads me to a question for BC:
if the only anti-town player remaining is a traitor, do they inherit the scum factional KP?
I expect the answer to this question to be "no" but it should be asked anyway.
I don't think there can be another player who has a "godfather bonus" in addition to a normal role. That would just be beyond ridiculous; far too much meddling in the roles imo. Already the change in the dreamflower role strikes me as kind of ridiculous and not something I thought BC would do, but that's a matter for post game discussion.
It's not the fact that I don't see it, it's the fact that I am not sure if multiple people can have the GF bonus, and I question the reason MZ was killed last night over one of the cops.
Plus it sounds a bit like a convenient excuse to prolong the game until all the outspoken townies are gone.
Also, about the traitor: I still think it more likely that decon was badtown. Yea, it was stupid to use janitor. But it would have been even stupider to tell everyone he was janitor before he died if he was scum. Like, that's the whole purpose of Janitor; to deny town information. Why, then, do you give them that information?
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You know what? I'm not even going to fight my lynch. It's worth losing my 19 game unlynched as town streak just to get away from geript. I'm just sad that geript used the shot on BM instead of me.
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On April 15 2013 11:50 Mocsta wrote:
well as i said when night finished.
the NK dont give away much about kei.. because
the hits were valid targets > good town
but yes; im more concerned about how much he has tried to achieve this cycle
hes done the minimal amount for a guy trying to direct play.
I'm not trying to direct town anymore. I gave up. Too many people with "I'm fucking right and nothing you can say means anything" personalities. It's not even fun anymore.
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On April 15 2013 11:52 Mocsta wrote:
i forgot, did yam have a green check?
or his claim to fame is just being a VT?
S&B has a green+VT check on him.
It means he's confirmed not scum (he couldn't have GF bonuses as a VT). He *could* be traitor if you think traitor is a possibility.
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On April 15 2013 11:52 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2013 11:52 Keirathi wrote:On April 15 2013 11:50 Mocsta wrote:
well as i said when night finished.
the NK dont give away much about kei.. because
the hits were valid targets > good town
but yes; im more concerned about how much he has tried to achieve this cycle
hes done the minimal amount for a guy trying to direct play. I'm not trying to direct town anymore. I gave up. Too many people with "I'm fucking right and nothing you can say means anything" personalities. It's not even fun anymore. I know exactly what that feels like, from when austin was alive. but some how, i still kept engaged. my excuse the past 24hrs has been hydra staretd what is yours?
What? I just told you what my excuse was. This game isn't fun anymore. Arguing with geript for 2 days straight over stupid bullshit has stripped all of my desire to even look at it anymore.
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I'll vote shelvocke because he has a total of 2 posts this phase and hasn't really done anything the entire game.
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On April 15 2013 12:12 Mocsta wrote:
I think anyone who dismisses cases by:
(1) Saying "LOL"; or
(2) Saying "No, you're a retard"; or
(3) Tunneling relentlessly
Make the game un fun.
Pretty much all of us left in the game are guilty of any combination of those 3.
Aw, I was going to say I haven't called anyone a retard or an idiot this entire game. But I did call BM an idiot when he shot Caller 
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On April 15 2013 12:57 Vivax wrote:Think of it from this point of view: The last scum doesn't concede cause he thinks he's not getting lynched anytime soon and wants to have some fun watching town burn a little. I'm currently reviewing yamato: Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 02:15 yamato77 wrote:
Palmar's comment on VE, even if VE is scum, is also no reason to think him town. It's a passing comment made that follows thread sentiment. In no way is Palmar taking that read of VE seriously. This looks like something premature to say when you don't have knowledge of VE's alignment. It looks like yamato tried to take credit away from Palmar even before VE got lynched.
Yamato CANNOT be normal scum. It's impossible. S&B had a green+VT check on him. VT's can't get extra bonuses. Yamato could be a traitor, but to have known that VE was scum at that point, he would have had to have already been recruited. Which I don't find very likely, looking at his filter.
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On April 15 2013 13:03 Mocsta wrote:
lol vivax.
point of reclusive traitor is
you arent in scum qt. unless they identify you.
He's making a case that yam is mafia, not traitor.
Boggle :o
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On April 15 2013 13:05 Vivax wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 15 2013 13:00 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2013 12:57 Vivax wrote:Think of it from this point of view: The last scum doesn't concede cause he thinks he's not getting lynched anytime soon and wants to have some fun watching town burn a little. I'm currently reviewing yamato: On April 07 2013 02:15 yamato77 wrote:
Palmar's comment on VE, even if VE is scum, is also no reason to think him town. It's a passing comment made that follows thread sentiment. In no way is Palmar taking that read of VE seriously. This looks like something premature to say when you don't have knowledge of VE's alignment. It looks like yamato tried to take credit away from Palmar even before VE got lynched. Yamato CANNOT be normal scum. It's impossible. S&B had a green+VT check on him. VT's can't get extra bonuses. Yamato could be a traitor, but to have known that VE was scum at that point, he would have had to have already been recruited. Which I don't find very likely, looking at his filter. That would fit the profile of a guy who doesn't expect to get lynched soon: Someone with a green check. Yamato was the last one to pick. Why not pick godfather? Conservative choice, and guaranteed to not have been taken away by a townie.
Looking at the OP again:
Godfather -
You are the Godfather of the Mafia. You lead the Mafia by example and have a number of abilities which assist your minions in bringing Liquiville to it's knees. You have the ability to cover a player, changing their role and alignment to anything you want. You can choose to appear as a role of your choice (including vanilla townie) to any and all types of detective-esque actions. You are immune to votechecks.
It doesn't look like Godfather can disguise his own alignment. Unless he can target himself, I guess. Or it's just worded poorly.
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On April 15 2013 13:13 Vivax wrote:^ that was to mocsta Show nested quote +You have the ability to cover a player, changing their role and alignment to anything you want. You can choose to appear as a role of your choice (including vanilla townie) to any and all types of detective-esque actions. I read it like this: GF can manipulate other's alignments and additionally has his usual ability, but as passive
I dunno. Because NKVD agent's wording is similar: "You also can disguise your role as NKVD agent to detective actions, and may change role or keep the same!"
You can disguise your role: you can choose to appear as a role of your choice[
I guess it doesn't hurt to ask, though: Does Godfather's passive ability obfuscate both his role and alignment, or just role?
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