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On March 28 2013 23:52 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2013 18:36 ObviousOne wrote:On March 27 2013 23:28 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 27 2013 23:21 Palmar wrote:
I can fight my own battles marv.
Oats, you're smarter than this. The shot was a scumshot, any townie would claim it by now. I doubt we have a multi-shot day-vig that also happens to be retarded enough to shoot early day 1.
So assume I'm scum, and explain to me the thought process behind the shot. I could've probably ridden the Grack lynch out the day as scum, and all this does is cast doubt on me as someone got shot based on an early read by me.
So the only logical scenario where I'm scum is that some random townie decided to test my read and proceed to not claim the shot.
Dudes are stupid in mafia, shit happens. If you were a JOAT with a dayvig and you wanted to kill Grack. (I have extra info ^_^)WHY IN THE WHOLE WIDE WORLD WOULD YOU CLAIM?? If you are scum with anonymous dayvig, WHY WOULD YOU SHOOT LYNCHBAIT INSTEAD OF MARV. WHAT THE FUCK PALMAR. WHY IS YOUR DEFENSE HINGING ON THE GRACK SHOT. You have extra info... Please share. Can you share this info? If you can't why even tell us you have it. If you can, why haven't you? Unless have you done it already surreptitiously? Hi. Please respond. I'm finally ready to pass out. I will read it later. Thanks.
I was kidding.
Marv are you talking about smurf?
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On March 28 2013 23:53 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2013 23:52 ObviousOne wrote:On March 28 2013 18:36 ObviousOne wrote:On March 27 2013 23:28 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 27 2013 23:21 Palmar wrote:
I can fight my own battles marv.
Oats, you're smarter than this. The shot was a scumshot, any townie would claim it by now. I doubt we have a multi-shot day-vig that also happens to be retarded enough to shoot early day 1.
So assume I'm scum, and explain to me the thought process behind the shot. I could've probably ridden the Grack lynch out the day as scum, and all this does is cast doubt on me as someone got shot based on an early read by me.
So the only logical scenario where I'm scum is that some random townie decided to test my read and proceed to not claim the shot.
Dudes are stupid in mafia, shit happens. If you were a JOAT with a dayvig and you wanted to kill Grack. (I have extra info ^_^)WHY IN THE WHOLE WIDE WORLD WOULD YOU CLAIM?? If you are scum with anonymous dayvig, WHY WOULD YOU SHOOT LYNCHBAIT INSTEAD OF MARV. WHAT THE FUCK PALMAR. WHY IS YOUR DEFENSE HINGING ON THE GRACK SHOT. You have extra info... Please share. Can you share this info? If you can't why even tell us you have it. If you can, why haven't you? Unless have you done it already surreptitiously? Hi. Please respond. I'm finally ready to pass out. I will read it later. Thanks. I was kidding. Marv are you talking about smurf?
As much as it pains me, at the moment I like Dandel's two targets best. I need to check but as I remember s&b was a non-entity leading up to lynch-time, even though he was present.
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On March 28 2013 23:56 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2013 23:53 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 28 2013 23:52 ObviousOne wrote:On March 28 2013 18:36 ObviousOne wrote:On March 27 2013 23:28 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 27 2013 23:21 Palmar wrote:
I can fight my own battles marv.
Oats, you're smarter than this. The shot was a scumshot, any townie would claim it by now. I doubt we have a multi-shot day-vig that also happens to be retarded enough to shoot early day 1.
So assume I'm scum, and explain to me the thought process behind the shot. I could've probably ridden the Grack lynch out the day as scum, and all this does is cast doubt on me as someone got shot based on an early read by me.
So the only logical scenario where I'm scum is that some random townie decided to test my read and proceed to not claim the shot.
Dudes are stupid in mafia, shit happens. If you were a JOAT with a dayvig and you wanted to kill Grack. (I have extra info ^_^)WHY IN THE WHOLE WIDE WORLD WOULD YOU CLAIM?? If you are scum with anonymous dayvig, WHY WOULD YOU SHOOT LYNCHBAIT INSTEAD OF MARV. WHAT THE FUCK PALMAR. WHY IS YOUR DEFENSE HINGING ON THE GRACK SHOT. You have extra info... Please share. Can you share this info? If you can't why even tell us you have it. If you can, why haven't you? Unless have you done it already surreptitiously? Hi. Please respond. I'm finally ready to pass out. I will read it later. Thanks. I was kidding. Marv are you talking about smurf? As much as it pains me, at the moment I like Dandel's two targets best. I need to check but as I remember s&b was a non-entity leading up to lynch-time, even though he was present.
How long are you willing to give Palmar before you want to kill him with fire?
What is your current read on Hapa especially after the lynch.
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Hapa/palmar/etc can be kept for later.
Tomorrow's lynch is between yam and snb.
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Also I don't understand how people have so many town reads in that game, I have a grand total of 2....
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Hey Acro, now that you're here, and I'm here, I want to talk to you about some things that I don't like in your "case" on me.
1. Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 12:37 InsertSmurfHere wrote:
Is he an idiot as town, too?
From your filter, that is what I surmise is your opinion of him already. If that's the case, I guess you're content to let him lurk away the rest of day 1 as he intends?
Or...? If Smurf is Yamato, he has played at least 2 games with a town DI (British 1 and Personality 2) and thus cannot simply claim ignorance of how DI plays as town. Even if he can be forgiven the remarkable oversight of not looking at DI's townplay, his excuse of ignorance here is a lie.
This is bullshit, and quite obviously evidence that you're not reading my filter. I specifically mentioned that I have not played with Dandel from the very beginning of the game, and that my experience with town Dandel is not that he's an idiot. If you looked into either of those games, you would realize that he was a replacement in both, and a troll in neither. Given this, how do you think that I'm lying?
2. His scumreads:
All 3 of his scumreads throughout the game:Grackaroni, Cora and Nisani. I painted Cora green, because I doubt this is a power play by the scumteam to claim mason.
This is bullshit. By this metric, I could easily call Hapa or Palmar mafia, but I don't because it's fucking stupid. You're not this bad.
So... the MOST concerting part of the prplhz case is how easily Nisani jumps on the wagon. So suddenly Nisani has been bombarded to scum, as part of the whole prplhz = town crusade.
From that point onwards he never even questions anything else and just blindly wants to lynch Nisani.
Yes, it was concerning. I openly questioned Hapa's motives with the prplhz thing, because I don't see how one who had done his research could see prplhz as mafia. But I give Hapa slack, because he's been wrong before. However, I won't give Nisani slack, even now as confirmed town, for mindlessly sheeping on the wagon without a second thought. That SEEMS to be what you're accusing me of, even though it wasn't, yet you can't seem to understand why I found it scummy from Nisani? Bullshit.
Irrational defense of prlhz. I would quote posts, but it shat up the thread for about 3 pages. I don't even think this says anything about prplhz's alignment. I can see a scum doing this for a townie (defend the innocent for townie points, when no scumbuddy is in danger of being lynched) or a scumbuddy (given that the alternative at the time was my push on Nisani, which he promptly sheeped he could have been defending his buddy), but the whole thing feels like Smurf had made up his mind before even starting to post on what prplhz's alignment was and was going to defend that stance to the death. And while some of the points he made make sense, when I looked at prplhz's filter at the time, it just read like a scum filter, so it's the complete lack of DOUBT about the alignment that strikes me. That is not the critical mindset of a townie.
Total bullshit. "It just read like a scum filter"? What kind of "critical mindset" is that? You don't even bother to address the meta point that you say "make sense", you just blow them off as nothing, when in reality, THAT WAS THE WHOLE ARGUMENT. Yes, it shat up the thread. No, it gave me ZERO town cred, and how would it anyway? Most of town was null or against prplhz at that point, so who is giving me town cred for it besides prplhz, and how much is that town cred even worth?
Really, this is pathetic. What's even more pathetic is that these are the arguments that people have against me, and that they're all based upon ridiculous assumptions like the ones you've made here.
But really, I want to talk about you, Acro, because this case is just a little too perfectly timed. What about the Nisani flip makes you any more ready to call me mafia than before? Why didn't you bring this up before the lynch, when it was all still relevant? Or are you just using the pathetically stupid and lazy idea that my being on Nisani's wagon is evidence of me being mafia? Because if that's the case, THERE ARE TWELVE OTHER PEOPLE who voted him with me, you included, and most of them after me.
One such person is Marv, but I'll get to him when I'm done with you.
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On March 29 2013 00:00 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2013 23:56 marvellosity wrote:On March 28 2013 23:53 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 28 2013 23:52 ObviousOne wrote:On March 28 2013 18:36 ObviousOne wrote:On March 27 2013 23:28 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 27 2013 23:21 Palmar wrote:
I can fight my own battles marv.
Oats, you're smarter than this. The shot was a scumshot, any townie would claim it by now. I doubt we have a multi-shot day-vig that also happens to be retarded enough to shoot early day 1.
So assume I'm scum, and explain to me the thought process behind the shot. I could've probably ridden the Grack lynch out the day as scum, and all this does is cast doubt on me as someone got shot based on an early read by me.
So the only logical scenario where I'm scum is that some random townie decided to test my read and proceed to not claim the shot.
Dudes are stupid in mafia, shit happens. If you were a JOAT with a dayvig and you wanted to kill Grack. (I have extra info ^_^)WHY IN THE WHOLE WIDE WORLD WOULD YOU CLAIM?? If you are scum with anonymous dayvig, WHY WOULD YOU SHOOT LYNCHBAIT INSTEAD OF MARV. WHAT THE FUCK PALMAR. WHY IS YOUR DEFENSE HINGING ON THE GRACK SHOT. You have extra info... Please share. Can you share this info? If you can't why even tell us you have it. If you can, why haven't you? Unless have you done it already surreptitiously? Hi. Please respond. I'm finally ready to pass out. I will read it later. Thanks. I was kidding. Marv are you talking about smurf? As much as it pains me, at the moment I like Dandel's two targets best. I need to check but as I remember s&b was a non-entity leading up to lynch-time, even though he was present. How long are you willing to give Palmar before you want to kill him with fire? What is your current read on Hapa especially after the lynch.
I think Hapa looks fine.
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@ Yamato
My larger concern with you is how little of worth you've done on Day 1. Your scumhunting contributions are a Dandel meta case with terribly obvious logical flaw, and "Oh hey Nisani made a sheep vote, lets lynch him." (One could possibly add your "passionate" defense of prplhz, but that's defending a townie, and not scumhunting.)
Now your Day 1 is problematic for several reasons.
1) You've been "captain-meta-pants" this game, yet completely failed to look into Nisani's meta. At all. You love meta arguments as town, and I get no hint from your filter that you even looked into his game history.
2) You were foaming at the mouth defending prplhz, and I don't see that effort anywhere else in your filter when it comes to pushing a scum-case or hunting scum.
3) The only effort you make into pushing the Nisani lynch is questioning your top town read (myself) about Nisani's alignment.
4) I still have absolutely no clue how on earth you were that convinced that prplhz was town at the time. This has been beaten to death though, so w/e.
I mean like half of your Day 1 filter is spent screaming at me about how Prplhz is town. Half. Take that out, and it reveals how little scumhunting you've actually done so far.
And to add to that, you're pushing the claimed mason pair right now. I await what you have to write on that subject, but it looks pretty terrible.
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On March 29 2013 00:11 InsertSmurfHere wrote:Hey Acro, now that you're here, and I'm here, I want to talk to you about some things that I don't like in your "case" on me. Show nested quote +1. On March 26 2013 12:37 InsertSmurfHere wrote:
Is he an idiot as town, too?
From your filter, that is what I surmise is your opinion of him already. If that's the case, I guess you're content to let him lurk away the rest of day 1 as he intends?
Or...? If Smurf is Yamato, he has played at least 2 games with a town DI (British 1 and Personality 2) and thus cannot simply claim ignorance of how DI plays as town. Even if he can be forgiven the remarkable oversight of not looking at DI's townplay, his excuse of ignorance here is a lie. This is bullshit, and quite obviously evidence that you're not reading my filter. I specifically mentioned that I have not played with Dandel from the very beginning of the game, and that my experience with town Dandel is not that he's an idiot. If you looked into either of those games, you would realize that he was a replacement in both, and a troll in neither. Given this, how do you think that I'm lying?
So you say you havn't played with me, but you still have experience with my townplay.
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scum lies are scum lies.
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On March 29 2013 00:35 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2013 00:11 InsertSmurfHere wrote:Hey Acro, now that you're here, and I'm here, I want to talk to you about some things that I don't like in your "case" on me. 1. On March 26 2013 12:37 InsertSmurfHere wrote:
Is he an idiot as town, too?
From your filter, that is what I surmise is your opinion of him already. If that's the case, I guess you're content to let him lurk away the rest of day 1 as he intends?
Or...? If Smurf is Yamato, he has played at least 2 games with a town DI (British 1 and Personality 2) and thus cannot simply claim ignorance of how DI plays as town. Even if he can be forgiven the remarkable oversight of not looking at DI's townplay, his excuse of ignorance here is a lie. This is bullshit, and quite obviously evidence that you're not reading my filter. I specifically mentioned that I have not played with Dandel from the very beginning of the game, and that my experience with town Dandel is not that he's an idiot. If you looked into either of those games, you would realize that he was a replacement in both, and a troll in neither. Given this, how do you think that I'm lying? So you say you havn't played with me, but you still have experience with my townplay. .... scum lies are scum lies.
Can you even read?
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On March 29 2013 00:34 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Yamato
My larger concern with you is how little of worth you've done on Day 1. Your scumhunting contributions are a Dandel meta case with terribly obvious logical flaw, and "Oh hey Nisani made a sheep vote, lets lynch him." (One could possibly add your "passionate" defense of prplhz, but that's defending a townie, and not scumhunting.)
Now your Day 1 is problematic for several reasons.
1) You've been "captain-meta-pants" this game, yet completely failed to look into Nisani's meta. At all. You love meta arguments as town, and I get no hint from your filter that you even looked into his game history.
2) You were foaming at the mouth defending prplhz, and I don't see that effort anywhere else in your filter when it comes to pushing a scum-case or hunting scum.
3) The only effort you make into pushing the Nisani lynch is questioning your top town read (myself) about Nisani's alignment.
4) I still have absolutely no clue how on earth you were that convinced that prplhz was town at the time. This has been beaten to death though, so w/e.
I mean like half of your Day 1 filter is spent screaming at me about how Prplhz is town. Half. Take that out, and it reveals how little scumhunting you've actually done so far.
And to add to that, you're pushing the claimed mason pair right now. I await what you have to write on that subject, but it looks pretty terrible.
I'll address this after class.
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^ Yeah that makes no sense whatsoever.
Also Yamato, I know you have played in games with Dandel before. The crux of your initial meta argument was that essentially you saw him play (i..e played with him) in British I and Personality 2.
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Ohhhh nevermind. It's awkwardly worded, but he's saying that he hasn't played with early Day1 Dandel
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Just wanna bump in and say that I don't really find InsertSmurfHere's defense of me weird. The various arguments against him have been how he was right when nobody else was (I remember that Palmar said that wherebugsgo was scum in some game just for that reason and then wherebugsgo put it in his signature because wherebugsgo was actually town). There's also the argument that he was very adamant in his defense of me at a relatively early point but if you look at this post it looks like he takes a certain pride in being able to discern my alignment (something I don't think anybody other than yamato77 and marvellosity would ever do).
Finally I'd like to point out that just about everything he said about me was, at least in my opinion, perfectly true. He wasn't just bullshitting, he was actually interpreting my posts really well and squeezed every little thing out of them that he could while not taking anything too far. Good analysis in my opinion. Would not lynch.
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On March 29 2013 00:39 Hapahauli wrote:
Ohhhh nevermind. It's awkwardly worded, but he's saying that he hasn't played with early Day1 Dandel
The issue being, of course, that he's never played with Dandel right from the get go, but attempted to make a meta case based on this period of time without checking this phase of the game in Dandel's town games.
In other words he's making a meta case on Dandel's opening play, having never seen Dandel's opening play as town. It's at the very best extremely sloppy.
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This case on InsertSmurfHere is a stretch and everybody should look elsewhere.
@marvellosity What do you make of InsertSmurfHere's reluctance to drop his suspicions of two claimed masons?
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On March 29 2013 00:45 prplhz wrote:Just wanna bump in and say that I don't really find InsertSmurfHere's defense of me weird. The various arguments against him have been how he was right when nobody else was (I remember that Palmar said that wherebugsgo was scum in some game just for that reason and then wherebugsgo put it in his signature because wherebugsgo was actually town). There's also the argument that he was very adamant in his defense of me at a relatively early point but if you look at this post it looks like he takes a certain pride in being able to discern my alignment (something I don't think anybody other than yamato77 and marvellosity would ever do). Finally I'd like to point out that just about everything he said about me was, at least in my opinion, perfectly true. He wasn't just bullshitting, he was actually interpreting my posts really well and squeezed every little thing out of them that he could while not taking anything too far. Good analysis in my opinion. Would not lynch.
Correct/good analysis is super-fucking easy as mafia, sweetie.
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On March 29 2013 00:48 prplhz wrote:
This case on InsertSmurfHere is a stretch and everybody should look elsewhere.
@marvellosity What do you make of InsertSmurfHere's reluctance to drop his suspicions of two claimed masons?
Holding judgement until it's expanded upon.
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On March 29 2013 00:48 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2013 00:45 prplhz wrote:Just wanna bump in and say that I don't really find InsertSmurfHere's defense of me weird. The various arguments against him have been how he was right when nobody else was (I remember that Palmar said that wherebugsgo was scum in some game just for that reason and then wherebugsgo put it in his signature because wherebugsgo was actually town). There's also the argument that he was very adamant in his defense of me at a relatively early point but if you look at this post it looks like he takes a certain pride in being able to discern my alignment (something I don't think anybody other than yamato77 and marvellosity would ever do). Finally I'd like to point out that just about everything he said about me was, at least in my opinion, perfectly true. He wasn't just bullshitting, he was actually interpreting my posts really well and squeezed every little thing out of them that he could while not taking anything too far. Good analysis in my opinion. Would not lynch. Correct/good analysis is super-fucking easy as mafia, sweetie.
To expand on this, prplhz, remember Rock Band? Go read this post. There's a tonne of good analysis in here, on you, on me, on various other things in the game.
Of course, Hiro was mafia.
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