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Nisani re-read notes
Comments about people taking OO role PM business seriously
Calls out Acro for it
+ Show Spoiler [calling out acro] +On March 26 2013 13:52 Nisani201 wrote:Acrofales seemed to be making a lot of sense at the beginning of the game and now he's looking really bad. He said this: Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 10:54 Acrofales wrote:
However, if you BELIEVE OO is lying about not having read his role PM; you should really be in favour of lynching him. The ONLY reason to LIE about this, is because he's scum. There is no townie reason to lie and say you have not read your role PM. The joking stage of the game is over and he's still trying to drag it on into seriousness. And looking back at his filter, he said a lot of things about how people should be interpreting OO's words without putting in his own opinion. And in general there isn't much real content in his filter. I think he's scum. ##vote acrofales
Acro OMGUS votes
+ Show Spoiler [omgus from acro] +On March 26 2013 14:08 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 13:52 Nisani201 wrote:Acrofales seemed to be making a lot of sense at the beginning of the game and now he's looking really bad. He said this: On March 26 2013 10:54 Acrofales wrote:
However, if you BELIEVE OO is lying about not having read his role PM; you should really be in favour of lynching him. The ONLY reason to LIE about this, is because he's scum. There is no townie reason to lie and say you have not read your role PM. The joking stage of the game is over and he's still trying to drag it on into seriousness. And looking back at his filter, he said a lot of things about how people should be interpreting OO's words without putting in his own opinion. And in general there isn't much real content in his filter. I think he's scum. ##vote acrofales You are terrible. I made a lot of sense in the beginning of the game. My VERY FIRST serious post was my opinion on OO's claim. The rest of my filter has my opinion on DI, prplhz and Marv. Off the top of my head. Probably anything else that has been discussed in the thread too. This game gonna be easy. Lynch the liar! ##vote Nisani201
Calls out Acro for the OMGUS
+ Show Spoiler [calls out acro] +On March 27 2013 04:28 Nisani201 wrote:
Good morning everyone.
The case on Grack is really weak, and if it were made by someone other than Palmar it probably wouldn't be getting nearly as far as it is now.
Just because Smurf made a bad case doesn't mean he's scum. He looks town now and there shouldn't be any suspicion on him.
Acrofales is making a bit more sense but his case on me is just a bunch of OMGUS. Acro, who is your secondary suspect?
Starts to change his mind on Acro
+ Show Spoiler [changing mind on acro] +On March 27 2013 06:18 Nisani201 wrote:
I just read through Acro's filter again and I could be wrong about him.
I want to believe Palmar is scum but I've been wrong about him in the past which is why I'm not pushing against him.
I don't really know who else is scum. All of the current candidates are pretty bad. I'm gonna look into Cora.
Converses with Marv, Marv sort of defending Sinani
+ Show Spoiler [marv commentary] +On March 28 2013 06:53 Nisani201 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2013 06:32 marvellosity wrote:On March 28 2013 06:28 Palmar wrote:
don't think he'll flip scum* I mean The thing is with sinani. Look at his last 3 mafia games on the database. He basically doesn't post. He's already posted more in this game than any of those 3 games where he was potentially alive for days. I'm not seeing it. Just because he's posting more in this game or "cares more" about this game doesn't mean he's scum/town. He has been apathetic as both scum and town, so that's indicative of nothing.
So I'm going to think out loud into the thread so we can discuss whether or not Sinani versus Acrofales was either something or nothing. Acro's vote on Sinani is a professed liar lynch vote. The lie, according to Sinani, was a lack of content in Acro's filter outside of his commentary on the Role PM situation. Looking at Acro's filter, there's plenty of chatter in there and some reactions to things in the thread, so this is pretty much a false case. Looking at it in retrospect, given the flip and Nisani's few final posts, we can see that Nisani was probably feeling kind of overwhelmed (as evidenced late in the day) but was able to remain composed given his imminent death.
IMO Maybe the most important thing to come of the lynch was the interaction with Marv, in the final spoiler. Nisani's just pretty much told us that sinani's activity is usually not alignment indicative. As far as I can see, Nisani was null on Sinani until very very late into the day where he called out Sinani for a bullshit case on him.
Sinani's vote on Nisani looks like a survival vote based on how one-sided the interaction was. Hapa's pressure could have been successful in garnering more votes and swaying things towards Sinani. For some reason I remember explicitly that Palmar stated he was okay with lynching either one. The one absolutely confirmed (flipped) town we have a read on Sinani was null for most of D1 and only near the end called Sinani scum for making bullshit up against him.
So some questions I think we should consider for night phase:
- Who was adamantly opposed to a Sinani lynch, and why?
- Review of Sinani, are we still considering him a candidate for tomorrow's lynch?
- How did the Nisani bandwagon form and who were the major factors in getting it started?
- Why did we have a shit-fest midway through the day that derailed any kind of consolidation discussion?
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Palmar why did you agree to the Keirathi lynch pushed by your scumread marv and agreed by your other scumread me?
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Why are people listening to palmar after he suddenly changed his vote onto Nisani less than 1/2 an hur before lynch?
Scummy yo.
Airport internet WHEE..
Also Hapa agreeing wiht palmar is a bit wierd
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Hey guys.
Should have lynched yamato.
That is all.
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@ Rayn
You need to talk to me about your deadline actions a bit.
About 1.5 hours before the deadline, you grace us with this rather wonky post:
On March 28 2013 05:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:There is one another thing why i won't change my vote from Nisani. When the Grack shot happened (and later when prplhz started town telling) there were two players who were totally thrown off their game. Palmar and Hapahauli. Palmar came in with a list of five people and was totally clueless what to do. Which would be okay since he had pushed Grack the whole early D1. If only there wasn't this post of his: Show nested quote +No idea yet, I think it's the best option we have right now, aside from maybe one or two other openings I will explore later in the cycle. I think we still have more than a day to form our final wagon, so there's no need to rush it. He already had another couple of suspects. Where is the exploring? Right. And look what Hapa is doing...
It might be the strangest thing I've read in the thread so far. Like... I think you're suspicious of myself and Palmar? Or are you just calling us "off our game"? It's very clear what your intentions are here.
In addition, the whole idea of "oh I don't want to move my vote off of Nisani because two other players are acting strange" makes very little sense to me. I'd sympathise if your rationale was that you disagreed with our town-reads on Nisani, but you only dismiss them in passing and never address the logic.
On March 28 2013 05:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If i have to switch to Keir/sinani to ensure a lynch happens i'll switch to Keirathi. He falls into the gray area for me, i don't remember much from him. And i think sinani lynch is pushed by scum.
On March 28 2013 05:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##unvote
##vote Keirathi
This is where it starts to get scummy. You switch your vote to Kei without so much as a word here. While I understand that you wanted to consolidate, there are two things wrong here:
1) The deadline was not for another 1 hour and 15 minutes - you had plenty of time to push the Nisani lynch (whom you were reasonably confident in being scum), and instead chose a consolidation lynch in Kei.
2) You didn't really need to consolidate on Kei. In fact, the vote-count between Kei and Nisani at this point was quite even. It reads more like you decided to follow the momentum swing against kei for shits and giggles.
On March 28 2013 06:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: Nisani
Keir, can you paraphrase what have you talked about in the mason circle? Just a short version.
So then you unvote, but even then the circumstances here are strange. You unvote while asking Kei to corroborate his story about being in the Mason circle (by summarizing discussion). That makes very little objective sense, as generally people confirm their read BEFORE acting on something.
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On March 28 2013 07:27 marvellosity wrote:
I'm also probably off until tomorrow. Not sure when I'm going to have time to work on the game properly because I have a chess thingy tomorrow evening. There's too many people I'm leaning town on at the moment, which is partly down to the fact that 2 of my 3 orange reads have flipped/claimed.
I don't understand how you have too many town reads in this game. I literally have 3 town reads I have any confidence in, and another 3 players I am willing to consider town, because I don't think they play like this as scum.
That leaves you, Sinani, raynpelikoneet, prplhz, SnB, Smurf and OO in the null to scum range. I am really dying to know how you have any kind of confident town range on them.
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To be fair, Acro, I have quite a few leaning town-probably town reads myself.
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@ SnB
Can you describe to me how you go from "ACRO = SCUM"...
On March 28 2013 05:41 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2013 05:08 Acrofales wrote:
Fuck it, Hapa. I don't have time to reply properly, but your case is terrible.
You give absolutely atrocious meta reasons for Nisani being town, by showing how he is playing the same as his town games. Guess what, he is playing the same style as his scum games too, because that's the way he rolls.
What I did was show how his play was anti-town... not similar to how he plays as scum, but actually anti-town. THAT is why Nisani is scum this game, not some horrid meta argument.
You then use your absolutely terrible confirmation bias to say that because Nisani is town, Sinani is scum, because he didn't see the meta argument. Fucking /facepalm.
So yeah. Nisani is scum. Lynch him. Don't care about the rest. soooo baaad acro is scummmmmm
... to oh hey I'll vote the guy that he's pushing... no worries!
On March 28 2013 06:44 strongandbig wrote:
alright i voted nisani
marv's argument for why sinani is town seems pretty compelling
and i want to lynch somebody if at all possible
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When I get home from work, I'm going to lay out the scum team for you guys.
Too easy.
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On March 28 2013 14:17 InsertSmurfHere wrote:
When I get home from work, I'm going to lay out the scum team for you guys.
Too easy.
Yay! I'm glad you are ready to start the game. Finally.
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Wait, you're mason?
With Keir?
And town bought it?
WTF.
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On March 28 2013 14:40 InsertSmurfHere wrote:
Wait, you're mason?
With Keir?
And town bought it?
WTF.
Do you have feelings to the contrary?
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It's just hilarious that two of my scumspects claimed mason.
LOL.
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Scumspects?
You literally haven't mentioned me a single time this game. Explain.
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On March 28 2013 14:47 InsertSmurfHere wrote:
Nah.
Need some time to make it up? Okey.
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All Good Things Come In Time
Patience is a Virtue
Wait, Bitch.
etc.
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Keirathi? You here still? Anyone else who isn't hiding for night phase? Do you guys not think my questions are worth pursuing tonight? I am about to dig into one or two of them momentarily but if nobody is gonna talk it out with me I'll save it for day phase.
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I'm still here.
I dunno, you're questions are kind of broad. The two most important ones are the "Who was strongly opposed to a sinani lynch" (marv), and "Who was the major factor in getting the Nisani thing started?" (Acro).
Acro looks pretty genuine in how his read of Nisani progressed. And he was around pushing it rather than just riding on the vote for the day.
marv's counter to sinani wagon....meh. His point is certainly true. Sinani has <10 posts in all of his last 3 scum games over the last year and a half. Him defending sinani there is null, because he would have used the same defense regardless of his or sinani's alignments.
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