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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 27 2013 22:09 GMT
#1281
On March 28 2013 07:07 cDgCorazon wrote:
I also caught half of the scum team in Personality. If you can't remember that.


you tunnelled a townie (yamato) and called everyone who attacked you mafia, fortunately bagging 2 mafia in that process. Catching mafia also involves getting them lynched, rather than being lynched yourself. Just sayin'
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
March 27 2013 22:09 GMT
#1282
marv, reyn, sinani, prplhz, smurf and maaaybe strongandbig

3-4 scum in list.
Computer says mafia
Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
March 27 2013 22:10 GMT
#1283
Well they would've been lynched if you hadn't decided the "magic marker" turned my flip to red.

Seriously Marv you're not doing yourself any favors here.
Grubby's #1 Fan
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 27 2013 22:10 GMT
#1284
On March 28 2013 07:10 cDgCorazon wrote:
Well they would've been lynched if you hadn't decided the "magic marker" turned my flip to red.

Seriously Marv you're not doing yourself any favors here.


The day I care about your opinion of me is the day I give up mafia.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
March 27 2013 22:12 GMT
#1285
Be nice guys.
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
March 27 2013 22:12 GMT
#1286
Well let's just see where you go from here. Right now you're #2 scum for me behind Yamato, who has been expectantly absent from this lynch (expectantly because he's never around at important times).

D2 shall be fun.
Grubby's #1 Fan
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 27 2013 22:13 GMT
#1287
On March 28 2013 07:12 prplhz wrote:
Be nice guys.


Trust me, this is very restrained ^_^
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
March 27 2013 22:16 GMT
#1288
Corazon does have a point marv. You spent most of Day 1 championing 2 mislynches. Your support of lynching Kei ESPECIALLY after Kei started spamming up the thread in his defense looks rather poor given how well you know him.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 27 2013 22:17 GMT
#1289
On March 28 2013 07:16 Hapahauli wrote:
Corazon does have a point marv. You spent most of Day 1 championing 2 mislynches. Your support of lynching Kei ESPECIALLY after Kei started spamming up the thread in his defense looks rather poor given how well you know him.


What? I went to make and eat dinner, I wasn't here.

For your pleasure, next time a lynch comes around I will starve myself.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
March 27 2013 22:18 GMT
#1290
Anyway I agree a lot with Palmar's list. I'd perhaps add Dandel Ion as a wild-card in there as well depending on how Yamato flips.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
March 27 2013 22:19 GMT
#1291
Be back tomorrow. Peace out y'all.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 27 2013 22:27 GMT
#1292
I'm also probably off until tomorrow. Not sure when I'm going to have time to work on the game properly because I have a chess thingy tomorrow evening. There's too many people I'm leaning town on at the moment, which is partly down to the fact that 2 of my 3 orange reads have flipped/claimed.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
March 27 2013 22:30 GMT
#1293
On March 28 2013 07:27 marvellosity wrote:
I'm also probably off until tomorrow. Not sure when I'm going to have time to work on the game properly because I have a chess thingy tomorrow evening. There's too many people I'm leaning town on at the moment, which is partly down to the fact that 2 of my 3 orange reads have flipped/claimed.

Looking back through your filter, did you really use "Keir is saying ':o; a bunch" as evidence of me being scum?

Like, I talk to you on IRC quite often. I always use stupid emoticons. How was that even relevant AT ALL? Would be like me calling you scum for saying 'dear'.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 27 2013 22:32 GMT
#1294
On March 28 2013 07:30 Keirathi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2013 07:27 marvellosity wrote:
I'm also probably off until tomorrow. Not sure when I'm going to have time to work on the game properly because I have a chess thingy tomorrow evening. There's too many people I'm leaning town on at the moment, which is partly down to the fact that 2 of my 3 orange reads have flipped/claimed.

Looking back through your filter, did you really use "Keir is saying ':o; a bunch" as evidence of me being scum?

Like, I talk to you on IRC quite often. I always use stupid emoticons. How was that even relevant AT ALL? Would be like me calling you scum for saying 'dear'.


(ok I'm still here temporarily)

This isn't IRC, and at least I hadn't noticed/remembered you doing so like you have here in other games, and I thought it was odd, so I mentioned it.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18408 Posts
March 27 2013 22:34 GMT
#1295
Smurf:

3 particular things make him scum:

1.
On March 26 2013 12:37 InsertSmurfHere wrote:
Is he an idiot as town, too?

From your filter, that is what I surmise is your opinion of him already. If that's the case, I guess you're content to let him lurk away the rest of day 1 as he intends?

Or...?

If Smurf is Yamato, he has played at least 2 games with a town DI (British 1 and Personality 2) and thus cannot simply claim ignorance of how DI plays as town. Even if he can be forgiven the remarkable oversight of not looking at DI's townplay, his excuse of ignorance here is a lie.

2. His scumreads:
All 3 of his scumreads throughout the game:Grackaroni, Cora and Nisani. I painted Cora green, because I doubt this is a power play by the scumteam to claim mason.
However, most strikingly, look how easily he jumps onto the Nisani is scum wagon. He never even mentions Nisani as a scumread until his completely irrational defense of prplhz (see point 3), when this suddenly happens:
+ Show Spoiler [prplhz town] +

On March 27 2013 15:04 InsertSmurfHere wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2013 14:49 Hapahauli wrote:
On March 27 2013 14:47 InsertSmurfHere wrote:
On March 27 2013 14:35 Hapahauli wrote:
If anything, Nomination Mini supports my case.

If you think low activity is alignment indicative out of prplhz, you're wrong. While it's true that he's done little this game, he isn't acting trollish or distant with town when he is posting, as he does normally when he's mafia. He posts little and rarely as both alignments.


Have you read prplzh filter? Go and read it, then get back to me and tell me he's not "distant."

I've heard of a ton of meta arguments, but this is the most retarded one. Prplzh has posted next to nothing, has soft-pushed half the thread, hasn't made a single original contribution, and somehow you arrive at the fact that he's not scum.

It's quite easy. Read yamato's analysis of prplhz's meta from Nomination. When you look at his filter from LIX, it is blatantly antagonistic with town and completely uninvolved. Do these posts read trollish to you?

Show nested quote +
On March 27 2013 05:09 prplhz wrote:
@sinani206 Why haven't you been playing mafia for ages and what made you suddenly come back to this game?

@Acrofales What you think about Palmar? What did Nisani201 say to make you think that he is scum? Just a line or two, I'm not a big fan of huge posts. And yes, I did read your filter so please bear with me if there was something I didn't understand and say it one more time

@InsertSmurfHere
On March 26 2013 23:38 InsertSmurfHere wrote:
[...]
Prplhz I have seen be lurky early as town, but by the end of day 1 I expect to know his alignment. He's good enough as town to put forth effort justifying his suspicions.
[...]

That can't be true unless you're like ... no, that can't be true.

Show nested quote +
On March 27 2013 11:19 prplhz wrote:
On March 27 2013 11:16 Grackaroni wrote:
On March 27 2013 11:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Nobody is going to vote OO/Oats/Smurf either way whatever i say. And Grack has not dona anythig useful. I would be okay switching into one of those three or Nisani/prplhz, but nobody is going to listen to me anyways so what the hell. Better to trust people i trust are town then.

lol see what the hell is this. I thought he was town but nobody is going to listen to me so now I'll just vote for town.

Some people do that when they get frustrated. I think he's frustrated and that's why he's doing it.

@Palmar Why is Acrofales town?

Show nested quote +
On March 27 2013 11:29 prplhz wrote:
If anybody else knows why Acrofales is town I'm also interested in their answers.


Here he's clearly following a line of thought with a few people. While his interaction is minimal, it is far from being distant. This does not read like the mafia prplhz I know.

What concerns me about all this is how lazy you are with this push on prplhz. I really think you don't know him well if you think low activity = scum in his case. What is MOST concerning, however, is how easily Nisani jumps in with you. Observe:

Show nested quote +
On March 27 2013 12:41 Nisani201 wrote:
I don't understand why we're still taking about this meta stuff. Just because OO’s play style is different in this game than another doesn't make him scum. In fact, it means absolutely nothing.

I agree that prplhz has been flying under the radar and he could be scum. I want to hear other's thoughts on it though.


Show nested quote +
On March 27 2013 13:10 Nisani201 wrote:
Alright, throwing my vote on prplhz.

Not gonna do the ## thing here though because I'm on my tablet.


Two posts, barely mentions prplhz, and he's on the wagon. Regardless of prplhz's alignment, this looks terrible. He's even less concerned with figuring out the game than prplhz appears to be.

So... the MOST concerting part of the prplhz case is how easily Nisani jumps on the wagon. So suddenly Nisani has been bombarded to scum, as part of the whole prplhz = town crusade.

From that point onwards he never even questions anything else and just blindly wants to lynch Nisani.

3. Irrational defense of prlhz. I would quote posts, but it shat up the thread for about 3 pages. I don't even think this says anything about prplhz's alignment. I can see a scum doing this for a townie (defend the innocent for townie points, when no scumbuddy is in danger of being lynched) or a scumbuddy (given that the alternative at the time was my push on Nisani, which he promptly sheeped he could have been defending his buddy), but the whole thing feels like Smurf had made up his mind before even starting to post on what prplhz's alignment was and was going to defend that stance to the death. And while some of the points he made make sense, when I looked at prplhz's filter at the time, it just read like a scum filter, so it's the complete lack of DOUBT about the alignment that strikes me. That is not the critical mindset of a townie.




TLDR: lied to excuse his shoddy case, no critical mindset when analysing players and has only wanted to lynch townies. Verdict: scum. Now lets move onto everybody else.
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
March 27 2013 22:35 GMT
#1296
On March 28 2013 07:32 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2013 07:30 Keirathi wrote:
On March 28 2013 07:27 marvellosity wrote:
I'm also probably off until tomorrow. Not sure when I'm going to have time to work on the game properly because I have a chess thingy tomorrow evening. There's too many people I'm leaning town on at the moment, which is partly down to the fact that 2 of my 3 orange reads have flipped/claimed.

Looking back through your filter, did you really use "Keir is saying ':o; a bunch" as evidence of me being scum?

Like, I talk to you on IRC quite often. I always use stupid emoticons. How was that even relevant AT ALL? Would be like me calling you scum for saying 'dear'.


(ok I'm still here temporarily)

This isn't IRC, and at least I hadn't noticed/remembered you doing so like you have here in other games, and I thought it was odd, so I mentioned it.

You know better than to make stupid ass arguments like that. What gives?
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 27 2013 22:41 GMT
#1297
On March 28 2013 07:35 Keirathi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2013 07:32 marvellosity wrote:
On March 28 2013 07:30 Keirathi wrote:
On March 28 2013 07:27 marvellosity wrote:
I'm also probably off until tomorrow. Not sure when I'm going to have time to work on the game properly because I have a chess thingy tomorrow evening. There's too many people I'm leaning town on at the moment, which is partly down to the fact that 2 of my 3 orange reads have flipped/claimed.

Looking back through your filter, did you really use "Keir is saying ':o; a bunch" as evidence of me being scum?

Like, I talk to you on IRC quite often. I always use stupid emoticons. How was that even relevant AT ALL? Would be like me calling you scum for saying 'dear'.


(ok I'm still here temporarily)

This isn't IRC, and at least I hadn't noticed/remembered you doing so like you have here in other games, and I thought it was odd, so I mentioned it.

You know better than to make stupid ass arguments like that. What gives?


Like I said, I mentioned it because I found it odd, and it was at most a small detail in my case against you, which didn't revolve around that at all.

Anyway I really am off now
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18408 Posts
March 27 2013 22:43 GMT
#1298
On March 28 2013 07:07 cDgCorazon wrote:
I also caught half of the scum team in Personality. If you can't remember that.

While I don't want to throw oil on the fire, both you and Vivax keep priding yourselves of that, when NONE of the scumteam felt threatened by you at all at any point.

When you have 0 credibility with town because you post like an irate chipmunk, you cannot actually CATCH scum, regardless of how good your reads are.

This game I feel you're doing a far better job, btw. You just have to learn to focus and concentrate on convincing others of your reads, rather than pointlessly arguing with your scumspect, which leads to tunneling and nobody taking you seriously.
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
March 27 2013 22:51 GMT
#1299
On March 28 2013 07:41 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2013 07:35 Keirathi wrote:
On March 28 2013 07:32 marvellosity wrote:
On March 28 2013 07:30 Keirathi wrote:
On March 28 2013 07:27 marvellosity wrote:
I'm also probably off until tomorrow. Not sure when I'm going to have time to work on the game properly because I have a chess thingy tomorrow evening. There's too many people I'm leaning town on at the moment, which is partly down to the fact that 2 of my 3 orange reads have flipped/claimed.

Looking back through your filter, did you really use "Keir is saying ':o; a bunch" as evidence of me being scum?

Like, I talk to you on IRC quite often. I always use stupid emoticons. How was that even relevant AT ALL? Would be like me calling you scum for saying 'dear'.


(ok I'm still here temporarily)

This isn't IRC, and at least I hadn't noticed/remembered you doing so like you have here in other games, and I thought it was odd, so I mentioned it.

You know better than to make stupid ass arguments like that. What gives?


Like I said, I mentioned it because I found it odd, and it was at most a small detail in my case against you, which didn't revolve around that at all.

Anyway I really am off now

It's not about "revolving" around it. It's that you included it at all.

Hell, for the sake of argument, I went back and ctrl+f'd through my games for ':o'. I had a grand total of 1 instance in scum games (when I was arguing BL on the last day of GSL 3), and like 40'ish instances in my town games. And you, better than anyone, should know that I use emoticons in casual conversation.

So, to me, that whole point was 100% an appeal to emotion. It had 0 basis in fact, and was only there to make you case look better.

Do you not see why that is scummy as fuck?
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
March 27 2013 22:52 GMT
#1300
EBWOP: GSL 1, not GSL 3.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
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