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On March 29 2013 00:35 Dandel Ion wrote: So you say you havn't played with me, but you still have experience with my townplay. .... scum lies are scum lies. Can you even read? | ||
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On March 29 2013 00:34 Hapahauli wrote: @ Yamato My larger concern with you is how little of worth you've done on Day 1. Your scumhunting contributions are a Dandel meta case with terribly obvious logical flaw, and "Oh hey Nisani made a sheep vote, lets lynch him." (One could possibly add your "passionate" defense of prplhz, but that's defending a townie, and not scumhunting.) Now your Day 1 is problematic for several reasons. 1) You've been "captain-meta-pants" this game, yet completely failed to look into Nisani's meta. At all. You love meta arguments as town, and I get no hint from your filter that you even looked into his game history. 2) You were foaming at the mouth defending prplhz, and I don't see that effort anywhere else in your filter when it comes to pushing a scum-case or hunting scum. 3) The only effort you make into pushing the Nisani lynch is questioning your top town read (myself) about Nisani's alignment. 4) I still have absolutely no clue how on earth you were that convinced that prplhz was town at the time. This has been beaten to death though, so w/e. I mean like half of your Day 1 filter is spent screaming at me about how Prplhz is town. Half. Take that out, and it reveals how little scumhunting you've actually done so far. And to add to that, you're pushing the claimed mason pair right now. I await what you have to write on that subject, but it looks pretty terrible. I'll address this after class. | ||
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On March 29 2013 00:46 marvellosity wrote: The issue being, of course, that he's never played with Dandel right from the get go, but attempted to make a meta case based on this period of time without checking this phase of the game in Dandel's town games. In other words he's making a meta case on Dandel's opening play, having never seen Dandel's opening play as town. It's at the very best extremely sloppy. While I admit, not looking at a Dandel town game from the beginning was an oversight, what I did do was look at his scum game that I hadn't looked at before, and drew comparisons to what I believed to be unique information, given my former impression of his town play in games. I normally don't even do that, I simply draw from past personal experience, as many of you know. Me looking at someone's meta outside of a game I wasn't involved in is rare. As I said before, you can fault me for not looking at his other town games. I had little idea that he was such a blatant troll as either alignment early on in the game. | ||
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That's easy to fix. More coming after the dealine, in 11 hours from now. | ||
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Acro smells like mafia. You can say his play is different from Personality, but his read on me is simply an echo of things people have said before at an opportune time to throw all kinds of suspicion on me in the midst of you calling for my head tomorrow. I want to look more into the Nisani/Acro ordeal and actually figure out what was going on there, because his town flip makes me more inclined to think Acro might actually be mafia who OMGUS'd a townie. You guys are talking a lot about SNB, and it is true that he is far less townish than I read him at a similar point in time during personality. I've never experienced scum SNB, but I'll take my look at some of those games out of curiosity when I have time later, and make my own decision. I am also taking an interest in rayn, because I'm not sure where his reads are at right now, and I feel like he's in a group of players who really didn't do a whole lot day 1 but push a single read and then consolidate with town in the end. Dandel looked better to me earlier, but his general disinterest in town's affairs and his lackadaisical mafia read of me concerns me. At first it felt like he was just OMGUSing me out of surprise, but he's stuck with it and not done much else, which is quite bad. Under no pressure, he fails to even engage in the thread beyond one-liners and calling me/snb scum, so the possibility exists that he is just lurky mafia riding off the back of everyone calling him likely-town in response to my case on him. | ||
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Prplhz Hapa Palmar Oats OO Null: Rayn Marv Sinani SNB Mafia: Acro Dandel Ignore: Cora/Keir Yes, I'm going to ignore them. I'm suspicious of them, but do you really want me going around tomorrow making cases on Corazon, the claimed mason? Waste of time, even if I am right. No one is going to listen to me. The difference between Acro and prplhz is that you don't read prplhz by how "objectively scummy" he is, while you can certainly do that with a more active and engaged person like Acro. Meta matters more in prplhz' case. And yes, Dandel is possibly mafia. While it apparently isn't "satifying" to you, it's how I view him at this point, because of how little he's done since all of what went on. Did I not specifically tell you this might happen, should he not be put under pressure? Rayn did push OO, and that's about it. It was a hard push, but I'm nowhere near convinced that the guy is mafia. As you guys have been pointing out, a look into the last game he played as mafia gives you the impression that he struggles to post as mafia, which is nothing like the impression I get from his filter here. He is giving a clear effort, and is actually looking into objectively good things to be looking at, like the Nisani/Acro ordeal. | ||
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On March 29 2013 03:53 Keirathi wrote: EBWOP: Also, you said I was the townier of the two of us. So, if I'm scum, why did I name Cora as my mason partner, instead of a different teammate who didn't look so bad? I was the one getting lynched, not Cora. Or, even better, why didn't I claim a different role that didn't tie myself to a teammate at all? Cora, objectively, was not a bad choice for a scum Keirathi in that position to choose to claim mason with. If you're both scum, he was in very little danger of getting lynched, and indeed has been talked about very little since. People don't suspect him much, aside from me. Confirmed-town mason is also a very strong role to claim to get someone out of a lynch, as you've seen here. It works better than cop or doctor, because there are TWO people claiming it, and the likelihood of either of you being shot just for claiming mason with each other if you are town is quite low. It also lends him town-cred as well, which helps two mafia survive longer than a single-role claim would. All in all, it's actually not that risky of a claim, both in the nature of the role itself, and in your choice of partner. | ||
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On March 29 2013 03:59 Hapahauli wrote: "No one is going to listen to me therefore I wont' bother making a case" is the last thing I'd ever expect to hear from town-Yamato. Pushing cases against-all-odds is kinda your thing. I'm not 100% confident in my read on him. Like I said, he's tunneled me when we were both town twice in games past, so it's not THAT far out of the ordinary. The way he's done it is kinda different, but it's not enough to make me want to pursue him over my other reads tomorrow. | ||
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On March 29 2013 04:00 Hapahauli wrote: And if you have a role, I suggest you claim it. Why would I do that? The lynch is over 2 days away. Plenty of time to make sure you guys don't act like idiots and lynch me. | ||
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On March 29 2013 04:03 Hapahauli wrote: You still have not discussed why Kei is scummy. What concerns me about you is how little original thought you've put into this. It seems you're just riding off the trails of Hapa's accusations and arguments against me for quite a while now. What else besides this completely fucking wrong prplhz point makes me mafia? If you're going to call me your "top scumread" I want to hear it. Why I found Keir scummy at the time. Attack me over something I'm right about, and have no other reason to call me mafia. | ||
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On March 29 2013 04:07 Hapahauli wrote: If I'm a vigi, you only have 3 hours to live. That would be a stupid decision, but I'm just Vanilla Town, bro. | ||
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On March 29 2013 04:12 Keirathi wrote: But, that doesn't jive with everything you said about my in Hydra (assuming you are actually yamato, which you haven't directly said). Etc, etc. You seem to think I am extremely easy to read as town, but you haven't even attempted to this game. You're stuck on that one thing. Am I not being aggressive this game? Am I being passive/not caring about the game/not putting in effort/whatever other metrics you use for deciding if I'm scum or not? Now that I've had more time to interact with you while Hapa isn't arguing with me, you are townier, which is what I've said before. Aside from your sheeping of hapa in that instance, the only other reason I currently suspect you is because of how Corazon has been playing, but that is currently not worth going after. | ||
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On March 29 2013 04:18 cDgCorazon wrote: Yamato you are digging such a hole for yourself here. Basically you are tunneling me and Kei is scum "by proxy". It's not hard to see what you're doing here. You still haven't given any reason that Kei is scum. I'd love to hear an actual one. I'm not "tunneling you" I've done anything but "tunnel" you I'm trying my best NOT to "tunnel" you, because I have enough reason to doubt myself. | ||
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this is why I want to ignore this shit none of you can fucking read | ||
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ALL YOU'VE DONE IS TUNNEL ME YOU CANNOT FAULT ME FOR "TUNNELING YOU" WHICH I'M NOT DOING AND THEN DO IT YOURSELF THE WHOLE FUCKING GAME AND NOT EXPECT ME TO CALL YOU MAFIA DID YOU LEARN ANYTHING FROM PERSONALITY? | ||
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On March 29 2013 00:34 Hapahauli wrote: @ Yamato My larger concern with you is how little of worth you've done on Day 1. Your scumhunting contributions are a Dandel meta case with terribly obvious logical flaw, and "Oh hey Nisani made a sheep vote, lets lynch him." (One could possibly add your "passionate" defense of prplhz, but that's defending a townie, and not scumhunting.) Now your Day 1 is problematic for several reasons. 1) You've been "captain-meta-pants" this game, yet completely failed to look into Nisani's meta. At all. You love meta arguments as town, and I get no hint from your filter that you even looked into his game history. 2) You were foaming at the mouth defending prplhz, and I don't see that effort anywhere else in your filter when it comes to pushing a scum-case or hunting scum. 3) The only effort you make into pushing the Nisani lynch is questioning your top town read (myself) about Nisani's alignment. 4) I still have absolutely no clue how on earth you were that convinced that prplhz was town at the time. This has been beaten to death though, so w/e. I mean like half of your Day 1 filter is spent screaming at me about how Prplhz is town. Half. Take that out, and it reveals how little scumhunting you've actually done so far. And to add to that, you're pushing the claimed mason pair right now. I await what you have to write on that subject, but it looks pretty terrible. Fine, let's talk about this, and then I'm going to work. 1) I mainly use meta from games I have played with people. It's the same sort of "meta" arguments I sued with Dandel and Prplhz, the only difference being that I did look up one game from Dandel where he was mafia to see if he trolled as mafia in the early game. No, I've read nothing of Nisani before now, I was judging him objectively. In hindsight, perhaps I should have looked into the games you talked about, because it seems you reached the correct conclusion from his other games. 2) We'll change that tomorrow now that I have some real information. My day 1 reads are always ass. 3) I had to go to work at some point, when you guys did most of the arguing about his meta/sinani/keirathi. Can't be here all the time. 4) Because I can read prplhz. I read him perfectly fine in Nomination, but I IGNORED MY OWN ANALYSIS later in the game, which I will never do again. That's about it, really. This boils down to "I don't think you're scumhunting" which is a somewhat valid accusation that I've been improving upon. | ||
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sense, it makes none | ||
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