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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
March 27 2013 13:32 GMT
#868
On March 27 2013 22:20 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2013 22:19 prplhz wrote:
No but I didn't want to write something big. The "softpushing" (whatever the fuck that is since that's apparently what also makes me scum) and "going with the flow" is something I remember from him from our last game (which was like a year ago so bear with me while I check up on it even though I don't really want to reread that game because I messed up royally). That seems to be the biggest points. I like your argument about the scumbait/InsertSmurfHere/strongandbig thing but I don't think it's damning.


It would be much better if you accepted the strength of the argument rather than arguing me off my scumread like you did in Clothes Mafia

Kind of unfair to blame for me changing your opinion Also, I'm not smurfing this time so you know not to listen to me.
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
March 27 2013 14:57 GMT
#901
@Palmar Why isn't Acrofales scum?
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
March 27 2013 15:05 GMT
#911
On March 28 2013 00:01 Palmar wrote:
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On March 27 2013 23:57 prplhz wrote:
@Palmar Why isn't Acrofales scum?


Did you read his posting so far? He's very clearly reading the thread and putting effort in his posts. Even if he is scum, which is a possibility (him realizing marv might be burned by the Personality mafia stuff and his response to my case on Grack are both somewhat strange), he is not playing scum you can catch without any information.

I cannot say he isn't scum, but I can say I'm not lynching him right now.

Well, actually you said in this post

On March 27 2013 09:36 Palmar wrote:
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On March 27 2013 09:25 Acrofales wrote:
On March 27 2013 09:04 Palmar wrote:
@Acrofales at the beginning of the game you claimed vanilla townie. Would you consider it fair that we lynch you if you at any point claim any other role in the game? If not, would you consider retracting your claim?

I would not consider it fair, no. I also see no reason to retract that claim. Why are you bluefishing?

That question is so stupid, just like your claim. Since I think you're town, yet you're playing like an idiot I'm just going to ignore you for the rest of the game since you're clearly not capable of playing well.


that you think he's town. So you can say that you think he is town but you cannot say that he isn't scum or what exactly are you saying?
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
March 27 2013 15:12 GMT
#914
On March 28 2013 00:07 marvellosity wrote:
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On March 28 2013 00:05 prplhz wrote:
On March 28 2013 00:01 Palmar wrote:
On March 27 2013 23:57 prplhz wrote:
@Palmar Why isn't Acrofales scum?


Did you read his posting so far? He's very clearly reading the thread and putting effort in his posts. Even if he is scum, which is a possibility (him realizing marv might be burned by the Personality mafia stuff and his response to my case on Grack are both somewhat strange), he is not playing scum you can catch without any information.

I cannot say he isn't scum, but I can say I'm not lynching him right now.

Well, actually you said in this post

On March 27 2013 09:36 Palmar wrote:
On March 27 2013 09:25 Acrofales wrote:
On March 27 2013 09:04 Palmar wrote:
@Acrofales at the beginning of the game you claimed vanilla townie. Would you consider it fair that we lynch you if you at any point claim any other role in the game? If not, would you consider retracting your claim?

I would not consider it fair, no. I also see no reason to retract that claim. Why are you bluefishing?

That question is so stupid, just like your claim. Since I think you're town, yet you're playing like an idiot I'm just going to ignore you for the rest of the game since you're clearly not capable of playing well.


that you think he's town. So you can say that you think he is town but you cannot say that he isn't scum or what exactly are you saying?


I'm going to answer for Palmar because this is silly. Very rarely are things binary in mafia. Having a town-read on someone doesn't mean you 100% think they're town.

How about that Nisani meta you promised me?

My problem is that in Palmar's reasonable for why Acrofales is town, he's actually spending more time explaining why he could be scum. I don't see what it is that you all see in Acrofales. I get that we're not lynching him today because he's reasonably active and there's probably nothing damning about him, but I'm still interested in why you actually all think he's so townie because I'm getting more of a Personality 2 feeling about him.
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
March 27 2013 15:13 GMT
#915
"I can fight my own battles"

"I'm going to answer for Palmar"
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
March 27 2013 15:19 GMT
#917
Dunno if a conversation with me is really a battle though. I guess I'm relatively benign.
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
March 27 2013 15:27 GMT
#924
I thought Acrofales entry into the thread was weird (the vanilla town claim), reminds me of what he did in Personality 2 (he voted someone). It's a small move designed to pull a bunch of attention to yourself. He also argued a lot about the didn't-read-PM incident but rereading that, it was still early in the game and maybe he was just talking about whatever. Ultimately, it took him twice as long to get a filter of this size in Personality 2 so I'm just going to drop it and look elsewhere (Nisani201 right now).
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
March 27 2013 15:40 GMT
#929
I seriously don't get anything about this Nisani201 case other than marvellosity's argument which I don't really think is too strong. His play otherwise doesn't really show anything. Or maybe it does and I don't see it.

I mean we can lynch him but I don't see why he should be scum. Gonna read into someone else.
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
March 27 2013 15:43 GMT
#930
Okay maybe Nisani201 is scum.
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
March 27 2013 17:26 GMT
#953
On March 28 2013 02:01 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2013 00:40 prplhz wrote:
I seriously don't get anything about this Nisani201 case other than marvellosity's argument which I don't really think is too strong. His play otherwise doesn't really show anything. Or maybe it does and I don't see it.

I mean we can lynch him but I don't see why he should be scum. Gonna read into someone else.

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On March 28 2013 00:43 prplhz wrote:
Okay maybe Nisani201 is scum.

I don't disagree with your conclusion (obviously), but what happened in those three minutes to change your mind?

Uh I read something in that old game, he didn't seem to sheep people and instead he actively did stuff on D1. He actually went against all thread opinion to go for his very own lynch candidate.

I think Nisani201 is hard to read though. He plays similar as scum and as town and his filter usually isn't very long so it's hard to follow his thought process. I don't know, he could be scum. I'm not terribly convinced but I have nothing better right now.

I don't like the InsertSmurfHere lynch. I think his defence of me against a rampaging Hapahauli/Keirathi duo looked good.
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
March 27 2013 17:33 GMT
#956
On March 28 2013 02:24 Hapahauli wrote:
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On March 27 2013 22:10 prplhz wrote:
I wish I had been around for the case on me but then again there's not really much I can do other than say that I'm not scum. Maybe I didn't contribute a lot so far but D1 was busy for me and I didn't post for first 25 pages. The case on me is full of meta and it's silly to make someone argue about his own meta so maybe it was good that InsertSmurfHere was around to do that. He has been perfectly right in his interpretation of my posts as well. I don't know why Hapahauli is so angry.

I'm not really sure who to vote for right now. No one else strike me in the same way as as Grackaroni so I'm going to reread some stuff.


My original case has very little to do with meta (Yamato brought that up in your defense, but I obviously disagree with the comparison).

The issue I have is your complete lack of contributions thusfar, and you spreading suspicion on multiple players in non-committal ways (soft-pushing). This, combined with your general lack of contribution this game makes you pretty darn scummy.

No it doesn't.

I agree that I hadn't contributed a lot, hopefully that will (or has) change(d). I have no idea about the "spreading suspicion" thing, I think that's all in your head. I remember once I got lynched for not asking questions, now I'm getting lynched for asking questions. Anyway, it's all in your head. I think I have the smallest filter in this game outside of the Insani90210s so that shouldn't be hard to go over things again.
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
March 27 2013 17:34 GMT
#957
On March 28 2013 02:29 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2013 02:26 prplhz wrote:
On March 28 2013 02:01 Acrofales wrote:
On March 28 2013 00:40 prplhz wrote:
I seriously don't get anything about this Nisani201 case other than marvellosity's argument which I don't really think is too strong. His play otherwise doesn't really show anything. Or maybe it does and I don't see it.

I mean we can lynch him but I don't see why he should be scum. Gonna read into someone else.

On March 28 2013 00:43 prplhz wrote:
Okay maybe Nisani201 is scum.

I don't disagree with your conclusion (obviously), but what happened in those three minutes to change your mind?

Uh I read something in that old game, he didn't seem to sheep people and instead he actively did stuff on D1. He actually went against all thread opinion to go for his very own lynch candidate.

I think Nisani201 is hard to read though. He plays similar as scum and as town and his filter usually isn't very long so it's hard to follow his thought process. I don't know, he could be scum. I'm not terribly convinced but I have nothing better right now.

I don't like the InsertSmurfHere lynch. I think his defence of me against a rampaging Hapahauli/Keirathi duo looked good.


Which game are you referring to?

Uh, last game I played with him. Normal Mini Mafia I I think.
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
March 27 2013 18:23 GMT
#978
On March 28 2013 02:38 Hapahauli wrote:
The spreading suspicion thing is in regard to your early-game questioning. I'm generally fine with questioning, but it's very scummy in the manner that you did it.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=403256&currentpage=36#720
Basically as I outlined here, you repeatedly spread suspicion on players without drawing any conclusion or analysis.

On Acro...
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2013 11:29 prplhz wrote:
If anybody else knows why Acrofales is town I'm also interested in their answers.

But already here, this is complete bullshit. I thought that Acrofales was scum for the first long time so I asked Palmar for his opinion, but I wasn't really all that concerned with Palmar's opinion per se (because he looks townie enough to me already), I was worried about Acrofales alignment and why people thought he was town. Now tell me, how on earth is this spreading suspicion? Do you honestly believe that anybody did anything other than maybe take a harder look on Acrofales because of what I said here?


On Sinani...
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2013 06:22 prplhz wrote:
@Nisani201 How do you feel about that sinani206 guy?

Nisani201 and sinani206 have a history and the last time I played with either of them, I played with both of them (Normal Mini Mafia I) so I prodded him for his opinion on his pal. Maybe he had some extra information no one else knew about because of how they know each other outside of mafia. Again, this "spreading suspicion" is all in your head, pick out one single name from the playerlist who will think that sinani206 is more likely to be scum because of this question. You can't. It's a fucking question and it's absolutely nothing else.


And on InsertSmurfHere/Nisani...
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2013 05:09 prplhz wrote:
@sinani206 Why haven't you been playing mafia for ages and what made you suddenly come back to this game?

@Acrofales What you think about Palmar? What did Nisani201 say to make you think that he is scum? Just a line or two, I'm not a big fan of huge posts. And yes, I did read your filter so please bear with me if there was something I didn't understand and say it one more time

@InsertSmurfHere
On March 26 2013 23:38 InsertSmurfHere wrote:
[...]
Prplhz I have seen be lurky early as town, but by the end of day 1 I expect to know his alignment. He's good enough as town to put forth effort justifying his suspicions.
[...]

That can't be true unless you're like ... no, that can't be true.

Again, you are making shit up. I am asking a scum read about why he thinks Nisani201 is scum because what he said in his initial case was "LYNCH ALL LIARS", nothing about Nisani201 being scum. How on earth is asking a person to expound on his own scum read, that I am sceptical towards, spreading suspicion? What the fuck?

Okay, I can actually kind of see your point about the InsertSmurfHere suspicion and that's kind of true. I thought it was odd and I didn't mind that people knew about it. Originally I had written a lot more to InsertSmurfHere in this quote where I speculated on his identity but I decided that it wasn't all that important so I dropped it and just posted what I found weird: that there's someone who thinks he knows my alignment on D1 when I get lynched all the time regardless of alignment. And that is a little weird.


Not only are your suspicions devoid of analysis, but you never follow up on them. You "poke" a player with a question, incite suspicion, and then that's the end of the issue. This is textbook scum-behavior really.

I didn't follow up on my questions soon after I asked them in the thread. I generally don't do that, especially not when there's someone else in the thread that I'd rather like to lynch (Grackaroni).

Your entire case is excessively speculative and you're wildly drawing conclusions from just about no evidence. Even though InsertSmurfHere showed you how to go about me, you didn't at any point reconsider even though my filter is very short and easy to reread.
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
March 27 2013 18:32 GMT
#982
On March 28 2013 03:24 Hapahauli wrote:
##Unvote

I leik prplzh

I'd would be pretty sweet and awesome if you could explain what made you change your mind.
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
March 27 2013 18:44 GMT
#989
On March 28 2013 03:33 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2013 03:32 prplhz wrote:
On March 28 2013 03:24 Hapahauli wrote:
##Unvote

I leik prplzh

I'd would be pretty sweet and awesome if you could explain what made you change your mind.


I rather liked the last post, and you've been slowly improving overnight in terms of analysis. Combined with that is this lingering suspicion of InsertSmurfHere for his defense of you last night. Details will be disclosed shortly.

You just read a rather big post and decided to unvote in less than one minute. Maybe you have 3rd grade reading level but in my opinion that's rather fast. You seemed very adamant about me yesterday (or whenever you made that case, like 14 hours ago).
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
March 27 2013 19:26 GMT
#1022
Aw
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
March 27 2013 20:18 GMT
#1101
@Hapahauli Maybe sinani206 should know Nisani201 better, but does he?
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
March 27 2013 20:19 GMT
#1103
I like my vote on Nisani201 over sinani206, I'm busy for the unforseeable future, might be back before deadline (depending on when it is).
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
March 27 2013 20:24 GMT
#1114
sinani206 is showing some classic illusion of grandeur in his "I know Nisani201 so just sheep me" post. That's how I remember town sinani206 while scum sinani206 doesn't want to do much and just tries to get other player's sympathy.
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
March 27 2013 22:12 GMT
#1285
Be nice guys.
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