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On March 26 2013 23:00 Palmar wrote:
Do you think this makes hapa scum marv? I wasn't really looking at hapa as someone that needed more attention.
I do agree the smurf looks bad, but honestly, just based on at least putting in the effort of making that case I'd rather lynch other people on day 1.
When is the lynch?
Lynch is like 23:00 GMT? No, I don't think Hapa is mafia at the moment, I'm not getting bad vibes from his posts like I did in Duel. It's just something I noticed while I was lurking/watching the Grack thing unfold last night.
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If you're lynching Oats based on contradictions, you'll lynch him in every single game you play with him.
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On March 26 2013 23:31 InsertSmurfHere wrote:
You know who I really haven't seen anything out of today at all?
Corazon. That dude's filter is a lot of nothing. Many other players have managed to take stances and interact with the thread on at least a basic level, but he's currently completely flying under the radar.
What distinguishes Corazon to you, as opposed to say prplhz?
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On March 26 2013 23:46 strongandbig wrote:
Also yeah I've been getting uber shat on but it would be cool if prplhz showed up sometime in the next few hours and posted some stuff. There's quite a lot that he could actually comment on now productively and without unnecessarily cluttering the thread again.
This is still cracking me up. I'm trying not to post unnecessary stuff but I just found it too funny.
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Oats, you need to stop asking questions that have already been answered. We talked about this.
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On March 27 2013 00:11 cDgCorazon wrote:
In all honesty this thread has still been ridiculously chaotic. After the tragedy that was Personality Mafia, I'm trying to only post when I have thoughts and cases to make. Right now we are just switching from one lynch target to the other and not really getting anything done besides calling each other scum. As much as the hosts love to troll, I don't think that they made everyone scum. Sorry guys.
I agree with you Dandel, although I'm not sure for the same reasons. This part of the post reads particularly weirdly to me; this is not my impression of the game so far at all. While we're still missing a few players posting in earnest, what we've had so far is actually pretty productive and cogent for this stage of the game.
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Yes, thank you Oats :/
Corazon, could you tell me what you think of Palmar's push on Grackeroni?
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On March 27 2013 00:25 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 00:22 marvellosity wrote:
Yes, thank you Oats :/
Corazon, could you tell me what you think of Palmar's push on Grackeroni? Palmar's tunneling of Grack is Palmar being Palmar. I'm slightly leaning town because I could see a scum Palmar tunneling someone who is a more popular read (such as OO or Marv). Besides that, it's not very revealing about Palmar's alignment. @Smurf: I'm not going to sit here and give you all my random thoughts. I'm playing a focused game and I think Rayn is scum. Are you going to comment about the case or call me scummy for having a scum read?
And what's your opinion on Grackeroni himself?
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On March 27 2013 01:11 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 00:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Holy crap Corazon is failing hard to even read my filter. I read your filter and all you've done is attack 6 people, all of which have been under pressure from others. I read your filter bro. Get some better defense.
The fact is that rayn has brought new things to the table too; his analysis/vote of OO's second post, or Oats' apparent contradiction with the prplhz/Dandel cases - and indeed something came of this.
Being active, suspicious of many people, and aggressively questioning are not what I think of as mafia characteristics.
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Eh, if you really want closure on that rayn... you overreacted (serious or otherwise) to prplhz at the start, so I wanted to see how you'd react to something else that was ostensibly unreasonable. You acted in a sane, normal manner, and that's all there was to see. I don't know if that thing means anything in particular for your alignment, but it's why I did it. I didn't pursue you further because I wasn't interested in pursuing you in the first place.
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On March 27 2013 01:18 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 01:13 marvellosity wrote:On March 27 2013 01:11 cDgCorazon wrote:On March 27 2013 00:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Holy crap Corazon is failing hard to even read my filter. I read your filter and all you've done is attack 6 people, all of which have been under pressure from others. I read your filter bro. Get some better defense. The fact is that rayn has brought new things to the table too; his analysis/vote of OO's second post, or Oats' apparent contradiction with the prplhz/Dandel cases - and indeed something came of this. Being active, suspicious of many people, and aggressively questioning are not what I think of as mafia characteristics. He's not being suspicious of many people, he's jumping around from read to read hoping that it makes him look like he is scumhunting. The only read that he has discussed more than a sentence is his read on OO, which was the popular person to attack at the time. He also called me prp's scum buddy 5 minutes into the game and then started lurking when I called him on that read. He's making a whole bunch of bs reads and only scratching the surface with the arguments that he has made. It's all smoke and mirrors to look like he is scumhunting when in fact he is only creating chaos.
OO was only "popular" in that Hapa and I policy voted him, and Palmar randomly ninja voted him, and that's it. When rayn attacked OO later on for his post, no-one was particularly interested in OO at all.
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On March 27 2013 01:31 strongandbig wrote:
There needs to be more pressure on dandel ion.
Keeping the thread clear, readable, and coherent (AKA "not spamming") has been a major topic of discussion. It has reverberated in offhand comments, in the way players have said they are interacting with the game, and explicitly in pressure put on various players.
The only player to completely ignore this and keep to his "spammy meta" has been dandel. At this point, for him not to notice the difference between how he is interacting with the thread and how everyone else is would have to take a conscious effort.
The scum motivation for this is obvious. Long, unreadable, spammy threads hurt the town.
Dandel is choosing to play in a way that hurts town and helps scum. That's not okay.
What 'pressure' do you propose exactly? He's either mafia or he is not mafia. Whether you approve of his play or not, do you think he's mafia? If so, why? If not, what are you trying to achieve here?
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On March 27 2013 01:51 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 01:47 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 27 2013 01:46 Dandel Ion wrote:On March 27 2013 01:43 Dandel Ion wrote:On March 27 2013 01:31 strongandbig wrote:
There needs to be more pressure on dandel ion.
Keeping the thread clear, readable, and coherent (AKA "not spamming") has been a major topic of discussion. It has reverberated in offhand comments, in the way players have said they are interacting with the game, and explicitly in pressure put on various players.
The only player to completely ignore this and keep to his "spammy meta" has been dandel. At this point, for him not to notice the difference between how he is interacting with the thread and how everyone else is would have to take a conscious effort.
The scum motivation for this is obvious. Long, unreadable, spammy threads hurt the town.
Dandel is choosing to play in a way that hurts town and helps scum. That's not okay. Hey, I totally didn't post half the posts I originally wanted to post/typed out. I'm trying really hard over here. Go find scum. Your post is completely useless, and the hypocricy hurts my brain. I would also like to add that I tend to get mislynched if I don't spam, so I'm actually pro-town in doing it. And my filter is barely 3 pages. I mean, that's so little. I really don't get your problem. I would like to add that quoting your own posts makes it seem like you are talking to yourself, and that confuses me... Lotta stuff has been thrown around but who is the n1 candidate people want to lynch? ANYBODY? See, snb, like that. I already had a post written out that said "I really don't think you need any incentive to be confused" But then I decided that it was useless and didn't need posting so I didn't post it only now i post it so you know i could have posted it but decided against it even though i did in the end but only to make a point.
Fuck you Dandel, I couldn't help myself.
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On March 27 2013 01:57 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 01:36 marvellosity wrote:On March 27 2013 01:31 strongandbig wrote:
There needs to be more pressure on dandel ion.
Keeping the thread clear, readable, and coherent (AKA "not spamming") has been a major topic of discussion. It has reverberated in offhand comments, in the way players have said they are interacting with the game, and explicitly in pressure put on various players.
The only player to completely ignore this and keep to his "spammy meta" has been dandel. At this point, for him not to notice the difference between how he is interacting with the thread and how everyone else is would have to take a conscious effort.
The scum motivation for this is obvious. Long, unreadable, spammy threads hurt the town.
Dandel is choosing to play in a way that hurts town and helps scum. That's not okay. What 'pressure' do you propose exactly? He's either mafia or he is not mafia. Whether you approve of his play or not, do you think he's mafia? If so, why? If not, what are you trying to achieve here? Right now, I'm null on his alignment. I want him to change the way he's posting. The longer he continues without changing it, the more likely that he's doing it because he's scum trying to mess up our thread. So the 'pressure' is less of a "I SAY YOU ARE MAFIA NOW REACT/DANCE FOR ME" and more of a "you are doing this thing that has a clear scum motivation and no town motivation, stop doing it or I will be forced to conclude you're doing it because of the scum motivation rather than without thinking about it."
"Your town meta is scummy and I will want to lynch you if you continue playing like you normally do as town"
ok s&b.
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Grackeroni is an infinitely better lynch than either rayn or Obvious. Obvious isn't playing scared at all which was the overarching theme of his play in Hydra Mafia (even with VE for support).
Acro, I'll check what you said about Nisani when I'm home and have some time later.
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On March 27 2013 03:01 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 02:53 marvellosity wrote:
Grackeroni is an infinitely better lynch than either rayn or Obvious. Obvious isn't playing scared at all which was the overarching theme of his play in Hydra Mafia (even with VE for support).
Acro, I'll check what you said about Nisani when I'm home and have some time later. What makes you say OO is not timid? He has not really done anything that stands out except to not read his role PM, when he had, probably, not read his role pm, which makes that completely non-indicative of alignment. Since then he has shared 2 rather vague and meaningless association cases... and a meandering post about Grack that left me with the feeling that he didn't actually have an opinion either way. Where are the reads? Where is the scumhunting? Where is the townie activity?
Contained in the spoilered case I made in Hydra below are pretty much all of OO's contributions on Day 1 there. It feels pretty different to me.
+ Show Spoiler +On March 16 2013 07:59 FiveTouch wrote:The interesting thing looking at ObliviousEyes, actually, is that there's a very experienced player combined with a newbie. So we can really catch these guys out looking at Oblivious' posts; VE will be harder to catch. This post *alone* is worth a lynch: Show nested quote +On March 14 2013 14:54 ObliviousEyes wrote:
Regarding WittyHydraName: Adam's return/entrance to the thread with his declared lack of motivation is concerning to me. It's been a while without any content from that pair, too. Snarfs asked a couple questions and peaced out, seemed mostly concerned with ObsQT's vote.
Iamperfection is on that team, so I don't expect it to be clear of ObsQT's alignment immediately but Witty(snarfs) took the early vote a bit seriously. I'll keep an eye on Witty, not too concerned with ObsQT right now.
Dirk Hardpec is interesting. Chatty but not terribly informative, at least the filter/game isn't terribly long so the lack of quoting/context on the posts isn't annoying yet. VE knows them better, I'm interested in seeing the fleshed out version of his read.
-OO This really is the scummiest post in the entire thread (unlike Promato's list. take note of the difference folks). There's just a bunch of summaries of what's happening in the thread. Let's look for hard opinions, shall we? What do we have? - Witty is concerning - unclear on iamperfection - keep an eye on witty - Dirk is interesting - interested to see more Not even a shred of an opinion on anything alignment indicative. It's classic newbie mafia. The only shocking thing is that VE didn't stop him making this atrocity of a post (don't let them wifom that he would have stopped him by the way). Here's the followup: Show nested quote +On March 14 2013 15:21 ObliviousEyes wrote:On March 14 2013 06:52 Promato wrote:
Golems are a little strange. While I like both soniv and WoS neither one strikes me as a power player. their decision to simply commentate with a few snide comments tossed in is actually a decent contribution for them. I don't have trouble following their thoughts although their posts do annoy the crap out of me.
The Dirk trolling remains the most suspicious thing in the thread on first read through(sadly enough). I don't like the other reasons marv has given for voting him but marv is telling the truth about Bugs scum meta (or has been setting up this ploy for months since I'm pretty sure he mentioned it during YAN)
Adarfs is probably my follow up if Dirk turns into a useful man beast. Both Adam and Snarfs are good and, well, I'm not seeing it. Intro post was lacking and follow up has been none-existent. Lurker lyncch, but one I'd be willing to say has decentish odds of flipping scum.
anyway, fuck Yamato. I'll try to be useful. Hopefully when he shows up eventually he'll play the game like he promised.
Golems I would call scum-ish but coming from a town place. I like the role-play (it's interesting and fun to read and that makes this more fun for me!). I don't like the excusing themselves but then again, that's extending a courtesy so I'm seeing them more townie than Witty right now. Snarfs is my own main concern right now given how little he's been around and his partner certainly isn't helping. He jumped way too fast on the ObsQT vote shenanigans and then never really followed it up. Again to recap: - Golems scummish but townieish - Snarfs is concerning Another followup: Show nested quote +On March 14 2013 16:11 ObliviousEyes wrote:On March 14 2013 15:39 Moology wrote:On March 14 2013 15:21 ObliviousEyes wrote:On March 14 2013 06:52 Promato wrote:
Golems are a little strange. While I like both soniv and WoS neither one strikes me as a power player. their decision to simply commentate with a few snide comments tossed in is actually a decent contribution for them. I don't have trouble following their thoughts although their posts do annoy the crap out of me.
The Dirk trolling remains the most suspicious thing in the thread on first read through(sadly enough). I don't like the other reasons marv has given for voting him but marv is telling the truth about Bugs scum meta (or has been setting up this ploy for months since I'm pretty sure he mentioned it during YAN)
Adarfs is probably my follow up if Dirk turns into a useful man beast. Both Adam and Snarfs are good and, well, I'm not seeing it. Intro post was lacking and follow up has been none-existent. Lurker lyncch, but one I'd be willing to say has decentish odds of flipping scum.
anyway, fuck Yamato. I'll try to be useful. Hopefully when he shows up eventually he'll play the game like he promised.
Golems I would call scum-ish but coming from a town place. I like the role-play (it's interesting and fun to read and that makes this more fun for me!). I don't like the excusing themselves but then again, that's extending a courtesy so I'm seeing them more townie than Witty right now. Snarfs is my own main concern right now given how little he's been around and his partner certainly isn't helping. He jumped way too fast on the ObsQT vote shenanigans and then never really followed it up. Hello OO. (Please respond specifically instead of VE) What has liking the golem flavour got to do with them "coming from a townie place"? Does it actually matter if you think they are "more townie" than Witty; either Golems are town, scum or null; where do you stand? (moc) I don't think they're being harmful in the way they are choosing to voice themselves, though their opinions aren't exactly forthcoming they are more present and therefore more open and town-looking than Witty. It's a matter of degrees; if it were between the two right this moment I would lynch Witty over Golems. I'm not saying they're super town looking but I can see how it could be just them being town and having some fun. They haven't been under really strong pressure yet, and if they are I would hope they drop the flavor to focus on being effective instead of entertaining. Some up-to-date concrete opinions would mean a lot right now from them, though. -OO - I have made a bulletpoint but I have literally nothing to say as the post says absolutely nothing whatsoever. ObliviousEyes looks very mafia indeed when we look at ObviousOne's contributions. They are all summaries, there's a complete refusal to take stances on anyone. He is the weakling of this team, and he's proving himself as such. Classic mafia play from OO in all regards.
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On March 27 2013 06:12 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 05:56 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Cora
Your case on Rayn makes very little sense. Normally I wouldn't step in and defend a player, but Rayn is one of my strongest town-reads in the thread right now.
When someone is super-active, spammy, and reacts on the fly to new suspicions on the fly, that's like the template for paranoid townie.
Is there something I'm missing? Perhaps not. I never really thought of Rayn as a paranoid townie. I just wish he would stick with his reads and not react to everything that has happened. It's a new perspective that I didn't think of before. I'm glad you brought this up Hapa. ##Unvote: Rayn(I forgot to vote him in the thread anyways T.T) So now my attention turns to Mr. Smurf, the man who calls me out for only scumhunting one person when he has, in fact, scumhunted no one. Care to give us some actual reads Yamato?
I love the way that you totally ignored me when I basically said the same thing, yet when Hapa said it you're like "oh yeaaaah, awesome point dude!!!!!!!!"
I'm also amused that Hapa comes back calling me useless, and then proceeds to make exactly the same point that I already made.
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On March 27 2013 06:20 cDgCorazon wrote:
Marv did not say anything about Rayn being paranoid town. He just mentioned Rayn overreacting to prp's message, which wouldn't really be paranoid if it was a one time occurrence.
I listed pretty much the same traits that Hapa did, and said I didn't see them as mafia characteristics. Hapa does the same but dresses it up as "paranoid townie". One gets totally ignored, the other gets an immediate unvote from you.
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On March 27 2013 06:26 cDgCorazon wrote:
Are you going to go anywhere with this Marv?
You basically said what Rayn did, Hapa made actual analysis on it and summed it up. Plus he made it so I could actually see his point. You just made a wall of text with your point hidden somewhere in it.
If you want to vote for me, go ahead. You out of all people should be cautious of that Marv, especially after you burned yourself so badly with your crappy read on me last game. So bad that you didn't even believe my flip.
Now you're just blatantly making shit up.
On March 27 2013 01:13 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 01:11 cDgCorazon wrote:On March 27 2013 00:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Holy crap Corazon is failing hard to even read my filter. I read your filter and all you've done is attack 6 people, all of which have been under pressure from others. I read your filter bro. Get some better defense. The fact is that rayn has brought new things to the table too; his analysis/vote of OO's second post, or Oats' apparent contradiction with the prplhz/Dandel cases - and indeed something came of this. Being active, suspicious of many people, and aggressively questioning are not what I think of as mafia characteristics.
Wall of text? Give me a break. You're telling me my point is horribly obscured here, by my 2 sentence post with the sentence in question being in a paragraph all on its own? Yes?
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On March 27 2013 06:42 cDgCorazon wrote:
Btw the post Hapa linked and the post you quoted were different. That's why I said the stuff I said.
I'm just trying to get insight into how you're thinking here. What were the differences that led you to not understand what I was getting at, but to accept what Hapa was saying?
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