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Oatsmaster
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On March 26 2013 23:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: On top of him being stupid there is a strange contradiction in his behaviour towards s&b and smurf. Like how I want to lynch SnB for a bad case and not smurf? deal with it. Do you have town reads on both of them? If not, then why arent you asking me what is differerent instead of insinuating that I am scum. | ||
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Oatsmaster
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On March 26 2013 23:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: No, i have a scum read on Smurf. Leaning town on s&b. Ill tell what is different for me in a short bit. But what makes SnB different from smurf for you? | ||
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Oatsmaster
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On March 26 2013 23:34 strongandbig wrote: So oats I'm glad you think I'm smart. I'm pretty good at atomic physics, it's true. Seven years ago I also got 36/36 on the ACT and 1600 on the real part of the SAT (fucking writing section). So okay suppose I'm smart. Do you really think that means I can't make a bad case? Or that I can't think a case is good for reasons that other people disagree with? If you really want me to I can point you to past games where I've made cases that everyone else said were bad. I was town in those games. When I'm sum I don't make bad cases, I just don't make cases. Do you really think I was settin up to "try to push a prplhz lynch" singlehandedly, in a game with people who have much more "mafia rep" than I do, and who have much more time to put in than I have? That doesn't sound like a "smart" thing to do. (Pro tip if you look in my filter you can even find out what I was actually doing and why! Treasure hunt!) Was your most recent scum game Chrono trigger? Also you metareading yourself kinda nullifies the argument because you would make the same if you were scum or town. I was thinking that you wanted to lynch Prp off nothing yes, and that made you scummy. The games I played with prp, he has done shit all and that makes him kind of a mislynch target, if town. It doesnt feel like scum Prp is all I can say in his defence, it feels like town prp. Trust your feelings. Or mine. That works better probably. | ||
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Oatsmaster
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I 180. (so scummy bla bla bla) SnB is a soft town read because after rereading and thinking about it, it seems like he is trying to push prp into posting productively and not spammily, as opposed to actually wanting to lynch him. Therefore my suspicions on him were unwarrented. Insert is soft scum because he seems to act like an authority on DI's meta with his case, but then states that he is not familiar with DI's opening town meta. He also states that On March 26 2013 13:17 InsertSmurfHere wrote: I didn't ignore all of Dandel's town games. which means that he ignored some to make the scum favored argument. Your turn ray. | ||
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Oatsmaster
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Also in the end he backs down On March 26 2013 13:17 InsertSmurfHere wrote: I didn't ignore all of Dandel's town games. I specifically remember games like Personality where he makes REASONED posts as town and manages to look town. This game, he has FAILED to do that. Is it that difficult to understand? Perhaps he has yet to do some kind of awesome townie move, as you suggest, but I remain skeptical. I'll concede that the opening point wasn't an overly strong one. Obviously you've managed to prove that he trolls as town. Grand, so I guess we just ignore him until he doesn't troll. and clearly doesnt show a desire to lynch Dandel Ion in the near future. But still remains antagonistic about the whole affair. | ||
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Oatsmaster
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On March 26 2013 23:53 InsertSmurfHere wrote: No, I was specifically told that I ignored all of Dandel's town games, which I did not. Nor did I ever claim to be the authority on his meta, I simply found similarity between his most recent scum game and this game and drew a hasty conclusion that I have since seen as faulty. Like I said, my experience with town Dandel is that he does make decent reads that have some sort of logic behind them. I had seen none of that at that point, so I made known my suspicion of him. The jury is still out on that one, but he looks better for having some reason for attacking Marv than he did before. You understand that that reason is cause 'I dont see any towntells' as opposed to marv is scum cause *post* Is that a valid reason in your opinion or not? | ||
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Oatsmaster
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On March 26 2013 23:57 InsertSmurfHere wrote: I don't think he's right, obviously. I've seen plenty of town Marv games where Marv doesn't even try to look town. However, it's not if he's right or if I agree with him, it's that he simply justifies what he's doing with something beyond a troll post and seems actually confident in it. Like his suspicion of me. It's total OMGUS but I don't think he's scum for it. So if I do stupid shit but wholeheartadly go with it and give some weird reason I am town? What universe do you live in? Response to Palmers suspicion GOOO | ||
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Oatsmaster
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On March 27 2013 00:04 InsertSmurfHere wrote: Palmar is calling me scum because my case is bad, just like the rest of you. I fail to see how it's anything special. And yes, sometimes people do stupid shit I never agree with and that lets me know they are town. And yes, you are one of them. Too many townreads dude. Who is scum, now that Dandel Ion isnt? | ||
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Oatsmaster
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On March 27 2013 00:09 InsertSmurfHere wrote: I already told you that Corazon is currently flying under the radar while contributing next-to-nothing aside from random comments on OO' role PM shit. What makes Cora different from the other lurkers like sinani or nisani? | ||
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Oatsmaster
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On March 27 2013 00:14 InsertSmurfHere wrote: I've called them out, too. Are you reading my filter? Um no you didnt? Anyway weird meta read on cora like 12 hours after the game has started. Good to know. | ||
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Oatsmaster
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Hopefully some of the lurkier players like sinani and nisani start posting more. This is not calling dudes out. This is wishful thinking. | ||
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On March 27 2013 00:20 marvellosity wrote: I agree with you Dandel, although I'm not sure for the same reasons. This part of the post reads particularly weirdly to me; this is not my impression of the game so far at all. While we're still missing a few players posting in earnest, what we've had so far is actually pretty productive and cogent for this stage of the game. Its probably cause you arent posting and you dont have like a 10 page filter by now. | ||
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Oatsmaster
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On March 27 2013 00:33 cDgCorazon wrote: All you are is silly meta reads Smurf. In all honesty nothing I do is going to be right for you because (I'm not scumhunting enough). You need to get off your high horse and realize that you've done less good scumhunting than I have. Who cares Cora? Does that make him scum/town? | ||
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Oatsmaster
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On March 27 2013 01:46 Dandel Ion wrote: I would also like to add that I tend to get mislynched if I don't spam, so I'm actually pro-town in doing it. And my filter is barely 3 pages. I mean, that's so little. I really don't get your problem. I would like to add that quoting your own posts makes it seem like you are talking to yourself, and that confuses me... Lotta stuff has been thrown around but who is the n1 candidate people want to lynch? ANYBODY? | ||
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Anything that you found useful/care to discuss Palmar? | ||
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On March 27 2013 02:53 marvellosity wrote: Grackeroni is an infinitely better lynch than either rayn or Obvious. Obvious isn't playing scared at all which was the overarching theme of his play in Hydra Mafia (even with VE for support). Acro, I'll check what you said about Nisani when I'm home and have some time later. I dont think that Grack is scum. This post in particular On March 26 2013 20:55 Grackaroni wrote: + Show Spoiler + On March 26 2013 15:08 Keirathi wrote: Anyways, I'm much more interested in Grack right now. I wasn't particularly awed by Palmar's vote/case and Hapa's input, but his interactions afterward have been much worse IMO. He doesn't call out the bullshit vote. He panics, and questions it to figure out what he did wrong. I don't know any townie who reacts to a random vote on themselves by saying "OH GOD WHAT DID I DO?" Some get mad at the 'bad' play, some ignore it completely, and some vote the person back. But, even more than that: He's looking for a way out. He doesn't volunteer information, he wants to know what information Palmar wants, so that he can give the "right" answer, rather than a "real" answer. And finally: The bolded points feel like more "oh crap, I re-read my posts and realize I made some mistakes. Time for damage control". Like, he was already looking back at his posts to see how they LOOKED. His first reaction was to apologize for how they were perceived. THEN he explains himself better. It betrays his mindset of caring about his appearance. I don't know what you're talking about Palmar... you did get a couple sheep. This case is weak from Keirathi. Palmar's I could at least understand and actually kind of agree with. Betrays the mindset of caring about his appearance? What kind of logic is that? Of course I care about my appearance, I would prefer to not be the first one lynched. That doesn't point to something I would only do if I was scum. and there's not much to me not omgusing Palmar, he seems to be putting in the effort to scumhunt so I don't think he is scum. It irritates me when OO attacks me when he obviously hasn't read the thread and just saw Palmar attacking me and filtered me to throw some shit. @Palmar: any comment on Marv? You guys know each other pretty well. He hasn't taken any sort of stance as well and has shown complete apathy towards scumhunting so far, despite being here more often than others. He actually read the cases, didnt back down and say that he wont do it again or whatever. Especially this point, He knows that OO's attack is bullshit and calls him out for it. I strongly believe that Grack is town | ||
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Oatsmaster
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Read that paragraph, does it read of town or scum? Ignore the name./ | ||
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On March 27 2013 03:50 Acrofales wrote: This still holds: I would have to take a closer look at LIX to see whether a blatant 180 like he took on his SnB read is something he might do as scum. However, first I'm going to look at your town meta. I don't really see what Marv does in your scum meta that is so very different from your play this game. But I admit I only know you from NMM37, which is not very representative at all for any kind of meta. I dont know how I can defend myself from being more passive than normal. Its just how the game played out. | ||
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Oatsmaster
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On March 27 2013 03:54 Acrofales wrote: I had that suspicion, but thought he could be promethelax as well. How sure are you? Because I can see Yamato making a bad half-arsed meta case, but Prom is far more meticulous and should be insta-lynched if he makes a case like that. Almost 100% certain its not prome | ||
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Oatsmaster
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On March 27 2013 05:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: I just gave you some names who are not you. Oats / Smurf. Why not lynch them? Get off your ridiculous reasoning and tell us why other than 'go look at my filter, I cba to explain it to you' If you dont know specifically why or if you cant concisely put down a few reasons, how could we think of these people as scum? (yes it includes me, no thats not the point) | ||
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