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Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-22 06:01:20
March 22 2013 05:42 GMT
#64
On March 22 2013 10:30 Hapahauli wrote:
I don't think you have to sit-out Moc. "The Game" doesn't follow the banlist.

Also...
/in

I'm overdue for a themed game.


Errr whoops busier this weekend than I thought.


Starts on Monday dude
Im like 6 hours too slow

Looking foward to this
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
March 24 2013 19:20 GMT
#68
On March 25 2013 04:07 InsertSmurfHere wrote:
/in


Dude.
Totally original.

TOTALLY.
Policy lynch your ASS if you are uninteresting.
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
March 24 2013 19:25 GMT
#70
On March 25 2013 04:25 InsertSmurfHere wrote:
I highly doubt that all of the people in this town are going to want to policy lynch me just for smurfing.

Don't worry about who I am, worry about how I play. That's the point of this exercise anyway.


You misunderstand me.

If you dont make the game interesting, I am in favor of policy lynching you.

You started off on the wrong foot with that name.

KEEP GOING AND YOU WILL DIE
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
March 26 2013 05:11 GMT
#286
Dudes.

Why are you ignoring SnB's horrible case on Prp?

##Vote: strongandbig
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
March 26 2013 05:38 GMT
#292
On March 26 2013 14:15 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2013 14:11 Oatsmaster wrote:
Dudes.

Why are you ignoring SnB's horrible case on Prp?

##Vote: strongandbig


What makes it scummy as opposed to a stupid townie thing?


Because it was stupid and SnB isnt stupid.

Like somethings you can brush away by saying that this dude is dumb, but some you cant.

It looked like he wanted to try and mislynch prp and now its gone HORRIBLY WRONG.
So he disappears.

Insertsmurfhere is not scum I think although dandel is null for me.
(YAY RANDOM READS OUTTA NOWHERE)
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
March 26 2013 05:45 GMT
#294
On March 26 2013 14:43 Hapahauli wrote:

@ Oats

Explain your "random reads out of nowhere" plz. Especially Smurf.


His push on Dandel is wrong, but I could see a townie being all excited that this dude is matching his previous scum meta and posting a case based on that, especially if he is irritated by those posts.
Then he seems to be quite open about not looking at dandel's town games instead of finding shit that would incriminate dandel.

Dandel is being useless so therefore null.


Thoughts on SnB?
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
March 26 2013 05:57 GMT
#299
On March 26 2013 14:54 Acrofales wrote:
However, if he DOES act as a townie, then worst-case, he is scum with a chance of bussing his buddies. I don't mind scum who bus their scumbuddies at all. They're my favourite kind of scum. They then get caught lategame, because they'll have to survive umpteen lynches all by themselves (and if he still hasn't read his role PM, then he has to survive without KP, making it all the easier to catch him)


Wait wait wait what?

How do you propose we catch this 'scum' who hasnt read his role pm? If you say that he acts like a townie, what differentiates him from the other townies? How does him having no KP make it easier?
Wtf acro.
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
March 26 2013 06:26 GMT
#307
On March 26 2013 15:13 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2013 14:57 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 26 2013 14:54 Acrofales wrote:
However, if he DOES act as a townie, then worst-case, he is scum with a chance of bussing his buddies. I don't mind scum who bus their scumbuddies at all. They're my favourite kind of scum. They then get caught lategame, because they'll have to survive umpteen lynches all by themselves (and if he still hasn't read his role PM, then he has to survive without KP, making it all the easier to catch him)


Wait wait wait what?

How do you propose we catch this 'scum' who hasnt read his role pm? If you say that he acts like a townie, what differentiates him from the other townies? How does him having no KP make it easier?
Wtf acro.

USE YOUR BRAIN FOR ONCE. IN. A. MAFIA. GAME. EVER. PLEASE.

We lynch scum. We lynch another scum. We lynch another scum. KP stops. Golly, I wonder who could be the last scum? Maybe that dude who still hasn't read his role PM and therefore doesn't know he should be sending in nightly hits!

Also, if he does read his role PM in time to send in the NKs and you reach 2-1 lylo with someone who looked townie all game and someone who has looked townie, but claimed not to read his role PM, LYNCH THE FUCKING GUY WHO HASN'T READ HIS ROLE PM UNTIL LATE IN THE GAME.

If town has people left who failed to look properly townie alive after a minimum of 5 lynches, in which 3 scum were nailed, then I don't know what to tell you. Townies failed miserably.


Enough of the policy lynch bullshit
Who do you want to lynch NOW?
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
March 26 2013 08:42 GMT
#313
Palmar, why cant smurf be good but wrong?

Also,
what makes your target different from sinani or nisani?

What do you think of prplhz?
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
March 26 2013 09:25 GMT
#315
On March 26 2013 17:50 Palmar wrote:
I'm ignoring the random spam of questions, but go read his case and then actually read DI's filter.

DI is not surely town, but the reasoning brought up by the smurf is just not correct. There is a difference between DI's filter this game and the ones he brought up. In this game he's offering much more explanations than in the filters provided. Sure he spams a bit too, and he might be scum, having noticed that adding at least some value to the thread may be helpful.

In fact DI is currently in the null territory for me. But that doesn't make smurf's case any less fabricated and untrue. The only common thing in DI's filter in both games are a few spammy one-liners but who cares?



Yeah ok so smurfs case is bad. Big deal.

What do you think about SnB's case on prplhz then?
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
March 26 2013 09:49 GMT
#317
On March 26 2013 18:45 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2013 18:25 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 26 2013 17:50 Palmar wrote:
I'm ignoring the random spam of questions, but go read his case and then actually read DI's filter.

DI is not surely town, but the reasoning brought up by the smurf is just not correct. There is a difference between DI's filter this game and the ones he brought up. In this game he's offering much more explanations than in the filters provided. Sure he spams a bit too, and he might be scum, having noticed that adding at least some value to the thread may be helpful.

In fact DI is currently in the null territory for me. But that doesn't make smurf's case any less fabricated and untrue. The only common thing in DI's filter in both games are a few spammy one-liners but who cares?



Yeah ok so smurfs case is bad. Big deal.

What do you think about SnB's case on prplhz then?


I think it's a big deal and I'm going to ignore your other question.

What I want to understand is why did he write a false case. Is it a mistake? Is it lack of effort? Is it a forced case because he needs to make it look like he's doing something?

Smurf, get in here and be useful.


Stop tunneling afk dudes and talk to me.

Is SnB's case bad?
Yes/No?

If yes, does that mean that SnB is scum
If no, does that mean that prp is scum?

Also have your thoughts changed about Grackaroni?
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
March 26 2013 12:13 GMT
#330
Explain why Keirathi's case is bad?
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
March 26 2013 12:30 GMT
#338
On March 26 2013 21:17 Acrofales wrote:
Oats, you don't seem your normal talkative self. What's up?


Whats up is I woke up at 12.30.
Missed like 10 pages.
Caught up.

Guess what NO ONE IS TALKING.


Palmar, you being a prick by giving 1 word/line responses to everyone isnt exactly the way to get people to sheep you.

About SnB

On March 26 2013 09:38 strongandbig wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2013 07:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I'll throw the first stone:

##Vote: prplhz for not following his own advice!


I am so down with this

Show nested quote +
On March 26 2013 08:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 26 2013 08:11 marvellosity wrote:
On March 26 2013 08:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What's with the ninja vote marv?


Just curious how you'd react given you totally overreacted to prplhz. I can join Hapa on his policy lynch though, so you're in luck ^^

Why do you assume i was serious in the first place?


aww fuck

calling it right now prp/ryan scum team

Show nested quote +
On March 26 2013 09:00 Keirathi wrote:
On March 26 2013 08:22 sinani206 wrote:
Hello everyone, looks like an action-packed first hour of play. I am posting in prplhz's one hour time limit to not get lynched, as dying day 1 is not fun. The conversation on this page with the 3 statements, 2 are true thing looks pretty useless, and maybe even scummy.


Nothing is "maybe" scummy. It either is, or it isn't. Which is it?

this is stupid. dont be stupid.

Anyway ##vote: prplhz

- doesn't sound like normal town prplhz - he's proposing things to try and be helpful
- doesn't follow his own advice
- suspicious interactions with other players

yeah i'm totes down with this.


I assume the top part is bullshit fluff.

The parts about Prp seem to be way generalized and basically showing Prp in a bad light.
Its a really lazy initial vote.
And basically he follows it up with that prp shouldve followed his own advice and not spammed.
Its day 1, content needs to be created and SnB is using that as an excuse to vote for prp.
Dumb or scum?
Im leaning scum.
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
March 26 2013 12:36 GMT
#342
On March 26 2013 21:34 Dandel Ion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2013 21:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hey Dandel, why do you think marv is scum?

Absence of towntells is the biggest reason.
Well apart from one really minor one, but that's easy to fake and I already know he's at least rudimentarily aware of it, so I can't read much into that one, realistically.

He's also not doing shit.

And on top of that I looked into his soul and it's red. I drew a picture of that result, too. For TRANSPERANCY


Come on, I used the 'marv doesnt look townie, therefore he is scum' argument in Duel. It wasnt true.

In all seriousness, who are your scumreads?
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
March 26 2013 12:42 GMT
#345
On March 26 2013 21:38 Dandel Ion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2013 21:36 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 26 2013 21:34 Dandel Ion wrote:
On March 26 2013 21:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hey Dandel, why do you think marv is scum?

Absence of towntells is the biggest reason.
Well apart from one really minor one, but that's easy to fake and I already know he's at least rudimentarily aware of it, so I can't read much into that one, realistically.

He's also not doing shit.

And on top of that I looked into his soul and it's red. I drew a picture of that result, too. For TRANSPERANCY


Come on, I used the 'marv doesnt look townie, therefore he is scum' argument in Duel. It wasnt true.

In all seriousness, who are your scumreads?

I just said that my reads are serious.
I dunno why you think they are not serious.


I'd like to point to Personality, where I identified the dude as town ~halfway into d1 or so, when I replaced in.
So obviously, my towntells actually work.

Thats not the point.
The point is that absence of town tells doesnt mean the existence of scum.
Which is proven by Duel.

I think they arent serious cause
1. You are dandel Ion
2. Marv isnt getting lynched day 1
3. You have to have more than 1 read right?
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
March 26 2013 12:46 GMT
#349
On March 26 2013 21:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I have one problem with marv. He pressure voted me early on in the game. When i asked his what's up with the ninja vote, he posted this:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2013 08:11 marvellosity wrote:
On March 26 2013 08:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What's with the ninja vote marv?


Just curious how you'd react given you totally overreacted to prplhz. I can join Hapa on his policy lynch though, so you're in luck ^^

##Unvote
##Vote: ObviousOne

If he really thought i overreacted to prplhz why wouldn't he pressure me more? Was the "what's up with the ninja vote" somekinda secret townie answer i gave?

If i was marv and i thought someone overreacted to something and i was already pressuring him, i would definitely keep the pressure on to try to find more clues about their alignment. Here he just completely drops the issue and changes his vote to a policy target (which i do not see serving any purpose in finding mafia).


But you arent marv.

Is your point is meta read? Or just based on what you would think you would do?

Also policy lynches are useful in the fact that OO is more likely to start playing as both alignments instead of being useless.
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
March 26 2013 12:49 GMT
#354
On March 26 2013 21:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
2. Marv isnt getting lynched day 1

Of course he is if we find out he is mafia. And even if this was true that's not a reason to give him a free pass to do anything he wants without questioning him until D2.


I dont know where you have been for the past few months
Marv does not get lynched day 1.

So what do you propose marv do?
Start playing? We will see when he gets in here I guess.

No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
March 26 2013 12:55 GMT
#356
On March 26 2013 21:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2013 21:46 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 26 2013 21:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I have one problem with marv. He pressure voted me early on in the game. When i asked his what's up with the ninja vote, he posted this:
On March 26 2013 08:11 marvellosity wrote:
On March 26 2013 08:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What's with the ninja vote marv?


Just curious how you'd react given you totally overreacted to prplhz. I can join Hapa on his policy lynch though, so you're in luck ^^

##Unvote
##Vote: ObviousOne

If he really thought i overreacted to prplhz why wouldn't he pressure me more? Was the "what's up with the ninja vote" somekinda secret townie answer i gave?

If i was marv and i thought someone overreacted to something and i was already pressuring him, i would definitely keep the pressure on to try to find more clues about their alignment. Here he just completely drops the issue and changes his vote to a policy target (which i do not see serving any purpose in finding mafia).


But you arent marv.

Is your point is meta read? Or just based on what you would think you would do?

Also policy lynches are useful in the fact that OO is more likely to start playing as both alignments instead of being useless.

No, my point is not a meta read. My point is i don't find how it makes sense from town PoV to do what marv did.
How is it useful to drop a vote on someone who will start contributing either way as the game goes on?

Isnt that what you are doing with marv? Other than the fact that your vote isnt on him which is a moot point.
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
March 26 2013 12:58 GMT
#357
On March 26 2013 21:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Yes i propose marv starts playing and exlaining his actions.

I can't understand why people think it's not okay to question certain players because they apparently are some fucking mafia gods who can't be lynched on D1, but it's totally okay to drop "policy votes" on players you find to be less competant. Everyone has a same chance of being mafia based on odds itself and noone is above being questioned or being called out on D1. Simple.

Mainly cause these 'mafia gods' as you called it, dont do shit that leads to them being policy voted?
And when they do, they get policy voted, dont worry.

Most of the time, its because its not that difficult to figure out their alignment when they start to post more.

With random dudes, its harder because you arent as familiar with their playstyles.
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
March 26 2013 14:04 GMT
#371
On March 26 2013 22:49 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2013 21:49 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 26 2013 21:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
2. Marv isnt getting lynched day 1

Of course he is if we find out he is mafia. And even if this was true that's not a reason to give him a free pass to do anything he wants without questioning him until D2.


I dont know where you have been for the past few months
Marv does not get lynched day 1.

So what do you propose marv do?
Start playing? We will see when he gets in here I guess.



Marv hangs just like anyone else on day 1, if he is deserving of it. Stop with this retarded notion of not killing good players day 1. Kill scum day 1.


The point is that good players dont get found out day 1 as scum.
Have you ever been lynched day 1?
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