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Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
April 02 2013 00:26 GMT
#2521
As a speculative side note, I'm thinking that its pretty unlikely (obv) that none of the people we are calling "confirmed" townies )(despite no one ACTUALLY being 100% confirmed except maybe marv) are actually scum. Because the only people who would not be voting for instant majority at this point are scum, and if one of the confirmed townies was scum it would be in their best interest to go with the flow and let hte game end as quickly as possible. Only the people under suspicion would want to drag it out and try to sway the votes.

And we have enough KP/lynches to kill all the suspicious people.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 02 2013 00:28 GMT
#2522
On April 02 2013 09:25 marvellosity wrote:
prplhz, give rayn your gun and kill him

I don't think that's a good idea. We do not know how much KP scum have for sure. If prplhz is scum this could lead into very bad things.
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
April 02 2013 00:29 GMT
#2523
On April 02 2013 09:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2013 09:25 marvellosity wrote:
prplhz, give rayn your gun and kill him

I don't think that's a good idea. We do not know how much KP scum have for sure. If prplhz is scum this could lead into very bad things.


And if you're scum you can shoot Hapa in the face at any time.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 02 2013 00:31 GMT
#2524
On April 02 2013 09:29 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2013 09:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On April 02 2013 09:25 marvellosity wrote:
prplhz, give rayn your gun and kill him

I don't think that's a good idea. We do not know how much KP scum have for sure. If prplhz is scum this could lead into very bad things.


And if you're scum you can shoot Hapa in the face at any time.

And if i was scum i definitely wouldn't have shot Acro but Hapa instead. And i definitely would not have claimed but kept shooting Keir/Cora during nights as my team was already in a pretty bad spot. Think about it for a second.
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Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
April 02 2013 00:36 GMT
#2525
On April 02 2013 09:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2013 09:29 marvellosity wrote:
On April 02 2013 09:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On April 02 2013 09:25 marvellosity wrote:
prplhz, give rayn your gun and kill him

I don't think that's a good idea. We do not know how much KP scum have for sure. If prplhz is scum this could lead into very bad things.


And if you're scum you can shoot Hapa in the face at any time.

And if i was scum i definitely wouldn't have shot Acro but Hapa instead. And i definitely would not have claimed but kept shooting Keir/Cora during nights as my team was already in a pretty bad spot. Think about it for a second.

This is true.

Assuming 4 scum and that rayn can instantly kill someone in his mason circle and still shoot someone else in the same night (which is what he's claiming and seems to be the case), the game would have been over at the end of last night had he shot Hapa instead of Acro and then shot one of me or Cora.

12/4 start
11/4 after grack death
10/4 after nisani lynch
9/4 after Palmar NK
7/4 after the 2 lynches
6/4 if rayn shot Hapa
5/4 if he then shot me or Cora
4/4 or 3/4 after night kills depending on scum KP.

Or even if they couldn't have outright won, it would have made for a much different town right now.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 02 2013 00:36 GMT
#2526
That's also why Oats can't say he got the confirmation. Because it confirms my role and i have played the worst scum game ever if i have used my role like this as scum.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 02 2013 00:37 GMT
#2527
On April 02 2013 09:36 Keirathi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2013 09:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On April 02 2013 09:29 marvellosity wrote:
On April 02 2013 09:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On April 02 2013 09:25 marvellosity wrote:
prplhz, give rayn your gun and kill him

I don't think that's a good idea. We do not know how much KP scum have for sure. If prplhz is scum this could lead into very bad things.


And if you're scum you can shoot Hapa in the face at any time.

And if i was scum i definitely wouldn't have shot Acro but Hapa instead. And i definitely would not have claimed but kept shooting Keir/Cora during nights as my team was already in a pretty bad spot. Think about it for a second.

This is true.

Assuming 4 scum and that rayn can instantly kill someone in his mason circle and still shoot someone else in the same night (which is what he's claiming and seems to be the case), the game would have been over at the end of last night had he shot Hapa instead of Acro and then shot one of me or Cora.

12/4 start
11/4 after grack death
10/4 after nisani lynch
9/4 after Palmar NK
7/4 after the 2 lynches
6/4 if rayn shot Hapa
5/4 if he then shot me or Cora
4/4 or 3/4 after night kills depending on scum KP.

Or even if they couldn't have outright won, it would have made for a much different town right now.

If i was scum i would have shot you on N1 because you&Cora claimed on D1.
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
April 02 2013 00:37 GMT
#2528
On April 02 2013 09:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
That's also why Oats can't say he got the confirmation. Because it confirms my role and i have played the worst scum game ever if i have used my role like this as scum.


This still makes no sense, Oats can't afford to go 1 for 1 with anyone.

This all feels wrong
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 02 2013 00:39 GMT
#2529
On April 02 2013 09:37 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2013 09:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
That's also why Oats can't say he got the confirmation. Because it confirms my role and i have played the worst scum game ever if i have used my role like this as scum.


This still makes no sense, Oats can't afford to go 1 for 1 with anyone.

This all feels wrong

Of course it does. If Oats confirms my role there is noone else than prplhz left. He gives someone town the gun and they lose after the next lynch + night phase.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 02 2013 00:40 GMT
#2530
as Oats gets lynched and sinani shot.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 02 2013 00:47 GMT
#2531
That's why prplhz must absolutely give the gun to someone who is vanilla and town next night. We learn about scum KP and we learn about prplhz, because as i see it the only way we can lose is if prplhz is the additional scum KP.
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
April 02 2013 00:52 GMT
#2532
My gut is telling me that you're lying about your role :/
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 02 2013 00:55 GMT
#2533
Well your gut is wrong. But nevertheless prplhz must give the gun to a vanille town, preferrably someone who does not die next night.
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
April 02 2013 00:57 GMT
#2534
If I agree that prplhz shouldn't give the gun to you, I don't see why he shouldn't hit sinani and maybe get us a free kill.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
April 02 2013 01:00 GMT
#2535
On April 02 2013 03:52 Keirathi wrote:
Oh, in a bit of an alternative:

Why not have prplhz give a gun to one of you, S&B, Hapa (?) tonight. Then tomorrow night, the one of you that has the gun can shoot Oats. Prplhz gives rayn a gun and kills him.

That leaves only prplhz alive as "unconfirmed" on the last day.

*isclaimer: it's not perfect because mafia could kill the one of you that prplhz gives the gun to tonight. But 66% chance to game over.


Why are we changing away from this now?
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 02 2013 01:01 GMT
#2536
On April 02 2013 09:57 marvellosity wrote:
If I agree that prplhz shouldn't give the gun to you, I don't see why he shouldn't hit sinani and maybe get us a free kill.

Because if he is in fact additional scum KP, he can fake it. Hell, it might be possible that Oats has a gun right now if prplhz is telling 80% truth about his role and faked giving the gun to Smurf. I know it's unlike, but possible.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 02 2013 01:02 GMT
#2537
On April 02 2013 10:00 Keirathi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2013 03:52 Keirathi wrote:
Oh, in a bit of an alternative:

Why not have prplhz give a gun to one of you, S&B, Hapa (?) tonight. Then tomorrow night, the one of you that has the gun can shoot Oats. Prplhz gives rayn a gun and kills him.

That leaves only prplhz alive as "unconfirmed" on the last day.

*isclaimer: it's not perfect because mafia could kill the one of you that prplhz gives the gun to tonight. But 66% chance to game over.


Why are we changing away from this now?

This is absolutely the best idea.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 02 2013 01:04 GMT
#2538
Although you should change Oats with sinani. Because Oats is 100% confirmed mafia to me. But whatever, doesn't change the outcome i guess.
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
April 02 2013 01:09 GMT
#2539
On March 28 2013 00:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2013 00:24 cDgCorazon wrote:
Bleh all I know is that this lynch is not going to come easy. Too many scum candidates and too little time.

I do think Palmar's reasoning for why Grack's shot does not make him scum is valid. It really does not make sense to tie yourself to voting for a person and tunneling them, then go on to shoot them. Doesn't make sense.

Acro is a bit of a harder read. I really cannot tell what he is playing right now, so I won't vote for him on D1. Too much confusion to risk a vote there. I'm worried that Marv is his top scum read, yet he only gave superficial reasons as to why Marv is scum. Marv's defense seems in line with him trying to play a better game, plus his stupid mini-tunnel of me feels way too much like Personality for me to be suspicious now.

Smurf still needs to commit himself to actually scum hunting and not bouncing around multiple targets. Right now he's looking most likely to get my vote.

Prp, now that Grack is dead, can you stop beating around the bush and give us actual reasons as to why Acro could be scum? A vote for anything would be nice too.

Interesting. Do you somehow know mafia shot Grack? Because that's how the bolded part reads to me.


I'm particularly having problems with this quote, although there's a bunch of other stuff that's making me queasy.

The state of things before this is, presuming rayn is town:

1) rayn has a townread on Cora
2) rayn shot Grack

Therefore how does this quote even make sense? It can't possibly be trapping because rayn knows 100% that Grack was town-killed. So Cora can't possibly know it was a mafia-shot, because it wasn't. There's literally no way.

This quote makes sense in other scenarios:

1) rayn doesn't know who shot Grack, and is suspicious of Cora for thinking what he apparently thought. Obviously we can count this one out
2) rayn is mafia, and he's either worried or shovelling suspicion. This makes much more sense than the original premise of a town-rayn who shot Grack asking a townread how he knows that Grack was scum-shot.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
April 02 2013 01:10 GMT
#2540
Actually maybe marv is right, and its better to play it safe.

Bahhh.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
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