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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On April 01 2013 09:02 prplhz wrote: i wouldn't know the rest of the scum team and playing it safe was a better idea than taking huge risks for flimsy evidence. Can you explain how you think there can be scum outside me/Oats/sinani/Smurf? | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On April 01 2013 09:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: So you are saying that as i made a mistake i am not allowed to tell why i think people are scummy? Fine, let's just sit and hold hands and see if we win or lose. That's not what I'm saying at all. You're criticising a thought process on his Night 2 action and generally calling his actions "not townie behaviour". Ostensibly your action in leaving a mafia alive who could lynch two townies instead of 2 mafia is the single most scum-motivated move in the thread other than the vote rigging itself. Choosing Smurf night 2 is simply not scummy at all. Giving a gun to Palmar was potentially scummy but potentially just misguided. I'm basically saying you're being a little hypocritical, as you should have some empathy with a townie who didn't use his role in the absolute best manner. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
first i wanted to give it to acro because scum. i considered claiming so that i could coordinate with any other kp and they could shoot smurf. then acro died. then i considered giving it to smurf or to a vanilla townie. i ask hapa if i should claim so that vanilla townies can warn me before i kill them but decide against it because n1. it never really occurred to me that i could kill sinani and confirm the entire scum team, probably because i don't think that's true at all and because it could backfire if sinani was scum. i would have held it if i didn't know 100% that smurf is dead today. hope this helps | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On April 01 2013 09:08 marvellosity wrote: That's not what I'm saying at all. You're criticising a thought process on his Night 2 action and generally calling his actions "not townie behaviour". Ostensibly your action in leaving a mafia alive who could lynch two townies instead of 2 mafia is the single most scum-motivated move in the thread other than the vote rigging itself. I didn't know how Acro's role worked. His claim in QT could have been a fake claim, even from a townie. He could have been able to only switch one lynch in a different way. I would have shot him/Smurf anyways come N2 unless 2 scum had been lynched (in case acro was town and directed the lynch on him to scum). I was out and had not time to think about it but i definitely did not expect a powerful role that allowed two townies dead D2. Had i shot Acro and had he flipped town on D2 that would have been a disaster. I know i made a big mistake but i did not have enough time to think it through so that's what i did think then. Choosing Smurf night 2 is simply not scummy at all. Giving a gun to Palmar was potentially scummy but potentially just misguided. I'm basically saying you're being a little hypocritical, as you should have some empathy with a townie who didn't use his role in the absolute best manner. I know in itself it's not scummy. But prplhz gave gun to Palmar on N1 using logic: Give gun -> flip blue/red or no flip -> If Palmar lives and if scummy on N2 -> kill him. Now prplhz here must assume (as town) that rest of the scum are in me/sinani/Smurf/Oats. Smurf will flip this day. If Smurf flips red, last two scum are in me/sinani/Oats. Think about it. Give gun to sinani -> shoot him on N3 (scum dies). If sinani somehow flips blue on D3 start -> shoot me on N3 (scum dies). Either way there is only one scum left on D4 or prplhz knows who the 2 last scum are -> he can even shoot me on N4. The weird change of his logic is bothering me. There is nothing "safe" in giving the gun to Smurf, he would kill scum anyways on N3 (or know the rest of the scumteam). Why play it "safe" when you can figure the game out instead with pretty much no chance of losing? Unless prplhz thought he was gonna get shot on N2, which is ridiculous in itself. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On April 01 2013 09:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: Can you explain how you think there can be scum outside me/Oats/sinani/Smurf? Could you answer this? | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
seriously? because they're not mod confimed townies. read the following sentence: it never occurred to me to execute your plan (that i don't fully get) so that's why i never considered it and that's why i never implemented it. that's really what there is to it, we can argue all day about whose plan is better but in the end i never thought of your plan. make of that whatever you want. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On April 01 2013 09:55 Hapahauli wrote: The only conceivable scum-team I can think of is Yamato/Oats/Sinani Yes, this is pretty much where I'm at too. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On April 01 2013 09:55 Hapahauli wrote: The only conceivable scum-team I can think of is Yamato/Oats/Sinani yep, i agree. At least after reading this post from D2: On March 30 2013 10:01 ObviousOne wrote: On the quick, not in any special order: Sinani Acro Smurf Oats is a wildcard still I Haven't set down to figure him out | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On April 01 2013 10:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: yep, i agree. At least after reading this post from D2: Why on earth would that convince you? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
Anyway can someone give me the cliffs on this prplhz role thing? I've read it a couple of times on my phone and I'm too drunk to parse it. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
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sinani206
United States1959 Posts
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
What happens when you target mafia with your role? If so, is there a difference between targeting a mafia goon and a mafia power-role? | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
GIVE ME A GUN. PLEASE. I WANT A GUN. To shoot marv. Hehe. Hapa, apparently he targeted smurf day 2 and smurf didnt die. So im assuming that a goon is the same as not having powers. Ok. Marv thinking that I am scum/not defending me, is a scumtell for him. In themed, I got mislynched by BH cause marv didnt defend me and I was asleep. In every single game where marv is town, IE personality/MTG, he defends me and such. Here he doesnt seem to care. Dude.  So at this point I want to shoot marv. Or sinani. | ||
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