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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On April 01 2013 07:34 prplhz wrote: because we have a check on him Err what? I guess I'm missing something? | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On April 01 2013 05:59 marvellosity wrote: Right guys, I'm a one-shot roleblocker (exciting I know) and I roleblocked sinani tonight. My best guess right now is sinani + Oats for mafia, although I'm not massively sure about it. I also agree with Hapa's idea of roleclaiming, I was going to suggest it myself. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
First, prplhz if your role works as claimed then how were you "unsure" whether you killed palmar? After the flip you should have known that your power would've delivered a bullet to the head not a gun. At that point, I'm pretty sure the logical thing to say is not "maybe I killed him". Second, I don't buy the explanation for choosing palmar. You're saying you chose someone who you had no read on, just to see what would happen? And that to do this you chose palmar? That makes much less sense to me than the alternative, scum explanation. Third, if we hypothesize that marv's and my roles were phrased the way they are because of the interaction with prplhz's role, what seems more likely - that it was done to make a town prplhz more powerful or to make a scum prplhz less powerful? Okay that was three things I guess. | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
If we assume that five scum in this setup is unlikely, then that means oats and prp are likely to not be scum together. So we can test both their role claims at the same time by having prp target oats. If prp is lying and oats is telling the truth, oats won't get the gun.get the gun. If oats is lying and prp is telling the truth, then oats will die. If both are telling the truth, then we have oats with a gun and we can tell him who to shoot with it. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
On April 01 2013 07:37 strongandbig wrote: Okay two things First, prplhz if your role works as claimed then how were you "unsure" whether you killed palmar? After the flip you should have known that your power would've delivered a bullet to the head not a gun. At that point, I'm pretty sure the logical thing to say is not "maybe I killed him". Second, I don't buy the explanation for choosing palmar. You're saying you chose someone who you had no read on, just to see what would happen? And that to do this you chose palmar? That makes much less sense to me than the alternative, scum explanation. Third, if we hypothesize that marv's and my roles were phrased the way they are because of the interaction with prplhz's role, what seems more likely - that it was done to make a town prplhz more powerful or to make a scum prplhz less powerful? Okay that was three things I guess. i don't know what would have happened if i had not targetted palmar. still don't. palmar seemed to be town but then he seemed to get more uninterested in the game. i thought a gun would give him more interest in the game and give me a better idea about him. if he's town and he has a gun, good. if he's scum then i give him another gun the next night and he shoots his own brains out, good. i never thought that he'd just die right there. in hindsight i probably shouldn't have done that but i never considered that everybody was blue. i knew i was blue, grack was blue, kei and cora both blue, how many blues could there be? | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
On April 01 2013 07:50 strongandbig wrote: Okay wait idea brain If we assume that five scum in this setup is unlikely, then that means oats and prp are likely to not be scum together. So we can test both their role claims at the same time by having prp target oats. If prp is lying and oats is telling the truth, oats won't get the gun.get the gun. If oats is lying and prp is telling the truth, then oats will die. If both are telling the truth, then we have oats with a gun and we can tell him who to shoot with it. what did oats claim | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On March 31 2013 15:46 Oatsmaster wrote: Cause for once I dont have a blue role  On April 01 2013 01:59 Oatsmaster wrote: Honestly a themed game. And I get VT. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On April 01 2013 08:01 prplhz wrote: that's a dumb plan. i give the gun to sinani and if he's not dead tomorrow we lynch him. Yes, this is a better plan. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
i had no read on palmar n1. he was townie early but he didn't care much about lynch (saying "i can lynch anybody" and then in the end he just kind of meh'd while we lynched into 6%) and he wasn't active at night so i thought i'd give him and gun and see what happened. if he looked scum on d2 then i could just give him another gun (would kill him). i didn't at all predict that he was blue. Excuse me but following your logic from N1 (gunning Palmar) why did you give the gun to Smurf? Why not sinani and if he does not die you kill him the next night? Smurf was anyways gonna get lynched today and you 100% knew it. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On April 01 2013 08:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: Excuse me but following your logic from N1 (gunning Palmar) why did you give the gun to Smurf? Why not sinani and if he does not die you kill him the next night? Smurf was anyways gonna get lynched today and you 100% knew it. That's why he did it to Smurf, silly. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
No it's not. This way we have no way of knowing if prplhz's claim is legit. Had he gunned sinani he could have proved his claim on N3 by regunning sinani -> kill him. Smurf hangs anyways today. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
On April 01 2013 08:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: No it's not. This way we have no way of knowing if prplhz's claim is legit. Had he gunned sinani he could have proved his claim on N3 by regunning sinani -> kill him. Smurf hangs anyways today. yes it is. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
If prplhz is town he knows there are three scum in me/Oats/Smurf(almost confirmed)/sinani. Smurf hangs anyway today. If he guns sinani he either flips red, flips green or lives. He can kill sinani on N3. If he flips red good, if he flips green prplhz knows me and Oats are scum. Hell he can even kill me by gunning me the next night. His logic in giving Smurf a gun makes no sense. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On April 01 2013 08:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: Look at it this way: If prplhz is town he knows there are three scum in me/Oats/Smurf(almost confirmed)/sinani. Smurf hangs anyway today. If he guns sinani he either flips red, flips green or lives. He can kill sinani on N3. If he flips red good, if he flips green prplhz knows me and Oats are scum. Hell he can even kill me by gunning me the next night. His logic in giving Smurf a gun makes no sense. I dunno what his actual logic was, but he made the right choice in giving it to Smurf, assuming he actually is town, for the same reason that I'm advocating him "checking" sinani tonight even though we are going to lynch sinani tomorrow: we don't want scum to actually have a chance to use the gun if they are vanilla scum. Lets say he did give sinani a gun last night and sinani doesn't die. He gives him another gun tomprrow night to kill him, but it's a night action that resolves at the end of the phase *NOT* an instant vig. So sinani still has the gun from the first night, and can use it to shoot someone. | ||
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