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Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
March 26 2013 02:03 GMT
#221
On March 26 2013 11:02 Palmar wrote:
Okay let's play a game. There's one main reason why I think Grackaroni is scum, his filter is very short. Whoever can figure out why I think he's scum gets to be my second in command.

sry i dont read filters.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 26 2013 02:03 GMT
#222
sugar? cigar.
Computer says mafia
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18100 Posts
March 26 2013 02:09 GMT
#223
Okay. Palmar got me to read and think about the thread. I am not seeing what he's seeing, but the fact that he encouraged me, and other people to think and read, means he's probably not a useless troll, and there's some rhyme and reason behind his gameplan.

##unvote
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 26 2013 02:10 GMT
#224
Okay time for a big post. There are three goals to this post:

1. Prove my innocence
2. Establish my reign
3. Get Grack lynched.




1. I am not scum because I am so nice and helpful and I am thinking so hard about this game please don't lynch me please I'm not scum really.

2. I am basically the mayor of this town, however, do feel free to add ##Vote Palmar for Mayor!! to your posts. It is not only a chance for you to celebrate my greatness, but also for me to see who my loyal citizens are.

3. Grackaroni is scum because of the observant and non-conclusive style of this post:

On March 26 2013 09:31 Grackaroni wrote:
Well I don't like Sinani including it in his reasoning for OO's question being scummy. he's using the fact that OO didn't read his role PM (which should be a null tell) to say that he thinks OO is scum.


He seems to have absolutely no direction with this post, simply saying this for the sake of saying it without directly addressing either party. He's providing a summary with no conclusion of the situation, and specifically avoids talking to the players, just about them.




And that's a wrap. Well played Palmar.
Computer says mafia
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
March 26 2013 02:12 GMT
#225
Oh come on I so deserve points for that.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 26 2013 02:14 GMT
#226
okay you get to be my secretary.
Computer says mafia
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
March 26 2013 02:16 GMT
#227
All hail Palmer

Palmer!
Palmer!
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
March 26 2013 02:17 GMT
#228
For the record Hapa: When I say that I don't like Sinani using the fact that OO didn't read his role PM to say that he is scum.
I mean that Sinani is using scummy logic. (he is misconstruing something that should not be alignment indicative and using it against OO to say that he is scum.)

This is my first game in a long time and I am having some trouble finding where I need to focus. But I am giving reads and I will continue to do so.

Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 26 2013 02:19 GMT
#229
If you're town I'm about to mislynch you grack. Do something to convince me you're not scum.
Computer says mafia
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
March 26 2013 02:20 GMT
#230
NEWBIE CARD DETECTED
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
March 26 2013 02:20 GMT
#231
On March 26 2013 11:17 Grackaroni wrote:
For the record Hapa: When I say that I don't like Sinani using the fact that OO didn't read his role PM to say that he is scum.
I mean that Sinani is using scummy logic. (he is misconstruing something that should not be alignment indicative and using it against OO to say that he is scum.)

This is my first game in a long time and I am having some trouble finding where I need to focus. But I am giving reads and I will continue to do so.



I mean I don't object to the rationale behind your Sinani read. What's bad about your filter so far is how... awkward your posts have been so far. Your posting style over the first few hours has been to enter a converation, pop off some completely objective conclusion, and pop out.

Your read on Sinani for example - I read that and it's hard for me to find out what you think of him at all. Also if you think Siniani is using scummy logic, where's your vote?
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
March 26 2013 02:21 GMT
#232
Lurking mode: ON

Only one can turn it OFF again
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 26 2013 02:23 GMT
#233
Actually here is a fun game. Write a case on me grack. Explain why my posting so far makes me more likely to be scum or town
Computer says mafia
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
March 26 2013 02:24 GMT
#234
On March 26 2013 11:19 Palmar wrote:
If you're town I'm about to mislynch you grack. Do something to convince me you're not scum.

I really don't think you will. Give me something in the thread you want me to respond to and I will give you my opinion. (not much has stood out to me so far).

By the way I'm just curious. Do you remember me from any other games?
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
March 26 2013 02:37 GMT
#235
You are problably town. This is the most interest I've seen you take in scumhunting in a long time. (even though I haven't played recently I've tried to keep reading games.)

I can see why that post may have looked scummy. I didn't make my message clear and it looked like I wasn't giving any opinion. I intended for it to be directed at Sinani because I believe him using that as a reason to push the lynch onto OO is much scummier than OO actually not reading his role PM.

the only hesitation I have (and it's a small one) is that in Werewolves I walked into the pm chat and you (as scum) just said that I was scummy after one line and used pushing me as your way of contributing to the thread. (it's possible that you are looking for me to omgus in a fit of anger and dig my own grave)

Despite this hesitation I do believe your posting is townie and I think you want to scumhunt but some past experiences with you do scare me.
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
March 26 2013 02:53 GMT
#236
On March 26 2013 10:44 Dandel Ion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2013 10:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 26 2013 10:34 Keirathi wrote:
On March 26 2013 10:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And given that you don't (at least you should not) know prplhz's alignment how exactly is it not beneficial to see how he reacts to the case first?

Because it doesn't matter a single bit how he reacts because the case was built on false information. Hell, if I was scum, I would love nothing more than for someone to make a case on me that I could so easily refute just by posting a few quotes from my previous games that wouldn't even be hard to find.

The point of making "cases" isn't to convince the person they are scum. They are to convince everyone else that someone is scum.

Plus, S&B was asking for opinions about his case.

The problem with meta in this prplhz case is that it's the easiest thing in the world to fake. Even the dumbest idiot could probably fake their "town meta" by posting some general advice as their first post.

Other than that part, you are right.

It is entirely irrelevant how "easy" something is to do.

What matters are the hard things.


Why are you trying to imitate blazing hand trying to imitate his own meta?

Everyone plz discuss dandel ion.

"It's the torso" "only more so!"
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
March 26 2013 03:02 GMT
#237
That's kinda what Dandel does.

As far as reading him is concerned, he'll make his alignment pretty obvious as we continue through the day.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
March 26 2013 03:12 GMT
#238
@ Nisani

Where'd ya go? You offered us two pointless comments then dropped out of the thread:
On March 26 2013 09:28 Nisani201 wrote:
I highly doubt that there are people who haven't read their role PMs.

On March 26 2013 09:31 Nisani201 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2013 09:29 sinani206 wrote:
What's the point in saying that you haven't read your role though?

Because it seems like the standard D1 meta is to fuck around and wait for someone to take it too seriously.


What are your thoughts on some of the suspicions in the thread so far? Particularly on Grack and prplhz?
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18100 Posts
March 26 2013 03:20 GMT
#239
Nisani is lurking and Dandel is spamming. Amazing. Who woulda thunk that would happen.
InsertSmurfHere
Profile Joined March 2013
288 Posts
March 26 2013 03:23 GMT
#240
On March 26 2013 11:53 strongandbig wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2013 10:44 Dandel Ion wrote:
On March 26 2013 10:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 26 2013 10:34 Keirathi wrote:
On March 26 2013 10:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And given that you don't (at least you should not) know prplhz's alignment how exactly is it not beneficial to see how he reacts to the case first?

Because it doesn't matter a single bit how he reacts because the case was built on false information. Hell, if I was scum, I would love nothing more than for someone to make a case on me that I could so easily refute just by posting a few quotes from my previous games that wouldn't even be hard to find.

The point of making "cases" isn't to convince the person they are scum. They are to convince everyone else that someone is scum.

Plus, S&B was asking for opinions about his case.

The problem with meta in this prplhz case is that it's the easiest thing in the world to fake. Even the dumbest idiot could probably fake their "town meta" by posting some general advice as their first post.

Other than that part, you are right.

It is entirely irrelevant how "easy" something is to do.

What matters are the hard things.


Why are you trying to imitate blazing hand trying to imitate his own meta?

Everyone plz discuss dandel ion.


Gladly.

When I read through Dandel's filter, I have an extremely difficult time finding any coherent thought process to his game. He posts quite a few spammy, nonsensical posts that have very little purpose aside from simply adding pages to the thread. Observe:

On March 26 2013 08:07 Dandel Ion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2013 08:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What's with the ninja vote marv?

Also, your name is too complacted and I already call you rainpelikan in my mind, so you're now stuck with that.

It's offical, and won't be changed.


On March 26 2013 08:10 Dandel Ion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2013 08:09 Hapahauli wrote:
2) My name is Hapa.

Show nested quote +
On March 26 2013 08:09 Hapahauli wrote:

Hi thar, pink unicorn.

Or maybe your parents really called you Hapa, in which case, my condolences.


On March 26 2013 10:38 Dandel Ion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2013 10:34 Hapahauli wrote:
On March 26 2013 10:16 Acrofales wrote:
On March 26 2013 08:09 Hapahauli wrote:
On March 26 2013 08:05 ObviousOne wrote:
Hi guys! I'm ObviousOne!

Since some of us are strangers I think we should get to know one another a little better.

Let's introduce ourselves to each other! List three things, only let two of them true!

1. I have a list of my games in my profile.
2. I have played newbie games on TL.
3. I have read my role PM.


1) I policy lynch people who don't read their role PM because it's incredibly anti-town.
2) My name is Hapa.
3) I am a pink unicorn.

##Vote ObviousOne


Wait. This is something I do NOT understand. Why is not reading your role PM anti-town? It is stupid. Yes. But:

If town, you are, at worst, missing out on a blue role. Given that town should never rely on blue roles (they are helpful, but what should win the game for town is the lynch) and assuming you play as a townie, if you haven't read your role PM, you are still contributing your most important contribution to town.

If scum, you are not town. Therefore, if you are playing like a townie, you are (potentially) playing against your own wincon. That is fucking fantastic for town. The downside, of course, is that you are not playing like scum, and it is therefore hard for townies to find you. But a D1 policy lynch sounds pretty stupid.

If 3P, you are not town, so if you are playing like a townie, that is great for town, and possibly not so great for you (depending on wincon)

Therefore, if Hapa BELIEVES OO is not reading his role PM, then he should NOT be trying to lynch him. The reason for wanting to lynch someone who claims not to have read his role PM, is because you don't believe him (and the only reason to lie about not having read your role PM is because you're scum trying to spread chaotic misinformation).

Hapa should know this. Hapa, explain why you are policy voting OO?


Sure it is.

It means that you can post without being held accountable for anything that you post. It provides a ton of misleading information and promotes people trolling for the hell of it. I've had to deal with this in the last few games I've played and quite frankly I'm sick of it.

I detect unnecessarily large quantities of mad.

Might be colored in red. Or purple. Maybe a dash of yellow in there.
Can not be sure yet.


Now, the question is, how does Dandel normally start a game as mafia? To answer that we have to find the last game he was scum in:

British Empire 2

How do you characterize that filter? To me, it's very similar to this game. he starts the game with random nonsensical bullshit and silly attempts at trolling and scumhunting. Especially striking is the resemblance between his early "push" of DrH in that game and Marvellosity in this game. Again, observe:

From British

On March 05 2013 10:06 Dandel Ion wrote:
Instead of using instant majority to make the days longer, we should use it to make them faster!

##Vote DrHelvetica
Gogo!


On March 05 2013 10:06 Dandel Ion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2013 10:05 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I have no plan to get the ball rolling. I forgot how much Day 1 sucks for the first few hours.

Already whining.

100% scum trust me guys.


On March 05 2013 10:10 Dandel Ion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2013 10:09 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
##Vote DrHelvetica

2 more!

Dats sexy.

I'd tap dat.


On March 05 2013 10:14 Dandel Ion wrote:
I am now 110% sure


On March 05 2013 10:16 Dandel Ion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2013 10:15 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On March 05 2013 10:14 thrawn2112 wrote:
eh. he might actually be scum for taking this so seriously. only one way to find out......

If it only takes 2 votes left to kill me instantly scum could just vote right now and it'd be day over and one townie dead

should i be taking this opportunity to goof off instead?

You're not seeing the bigger picture.

Too concerned with your own survival too.

Certainity is rising to 130%


From RED

On March 26 2013 08:06 Dandel Ion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2013 08:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What's with the ninja vote marv?

he scum


On March 26 2013 08:12 Dandel Ion wrote:
What a scummy bandwagon of scum.

Hey Acro, come over here. Let's tunnel marv. It'll be fun.


On March 26 2013 08:27 Dandel Ion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2013 08:26 Hapahauli wrote:
On March 26 2013 08:22 sinani206 wrote:
Hello everyone, looks like an action-packed first hour of play. I am posting in prplhz's one hour time limit to not get lynched, as dying day 1 is not fun.


Did you really think he was serious about that?

Why wouldn't he be?

That's how I plan on finding scum.

The scum besides marv, that is.


On March 26 2013 08:37 Dandel Ion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2013 08:30 marvellosity wrote:
On March 26 2013 08:28 Dandel Ion wrote:
On March 26 2013 08:27 Hapahauli wrote:
Maybe cuz he's trying to be brown even tho personality is over.

hint hint


Didn't read personality.... wat?

wat wat?

hes doing a chez impersonisation even tho he doesn't have to.
I question the wisdom of that decision.


I'm curious how you find yourself in the position to question the wisdom of anything, given you know how Personality went down, and the fact you seem intent on needlessly provoking me at the start of this game. If you're town, that's pretty evidently not a 'wise' decision.

I don't see how I'm supposed to be provoking you either, I'm just calling you scum.

If you get mad cause I'm so correct and awesome, not much I can do about that.


These sorts of early shenanigans develop similarly both games. He offhandedly calls someone scum for little to no reason, and then needlessly trolls that person and pushes this read on the thread. Again, he is spammy in his pushes as mafia and rarely provides any real justification for anything he does that is longer than a single line.

The meta similarity is just a part of why I think Dandel is mafia. Revisiting the quotes above where Dandel attacks Marvellosity, we see a clear mafia motivation: attack a player who is known for being emotional and overreacting to these sorts of things. Marvel makes a salient point in that Dandel SHOULD know better, as he bore witness to this. However, Dandel persists in the same sort of trollish way he has this entire game.

The only other thing that even looks like a real read in his filter is his support of Palmar, which is in the same vein of his entire play; nonsensical, and without justification. While being a sheep doesn't make him scum necessarily, the fact that he has since bowed out of the thread entirely is suspicious. So far, it looks like he's fishing around for a good place for his vote; mild suspicion here, random name-calling here, and then he finally sees a high-profile player come in and proclaim someone mafia, so he jumps on it.

So instead of letting this spammy, scummy fucker slip by under the shadow of Palmar, why don't we lynch him instead?

##Vote: Dandel Ion
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