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I'm gonna go ahead and say that I'm leaning town for raynpelikoneet and Rainbows. If either (or both) of them are playing a real deep game and I'm just not seeing it then so be it. People that try to drive alot of discussion, read town to me.
So while it's possible that Fishgle was chosen to make ray/rain look bad, my guess is the mafia just wanted a sure kill since he was pretty unlikely to be healed, plus he might also be likely to be targetted by a cop which would be a bonus. Maybe they were hoping for some collatoral damage on ray/rain but I doubt that's what drove the decision.
However, I'm not so sure that they'd go ahead and kill someone that was probably gonna make a juicy lynch target for the next day unless they were figuring there were already some townies likely to be lynch targets the next day. Raven and Virtu were both pretty big suspects throughout the day yesterday and Krafla made himself look pretty bad @ the end of the day. So I'd find it hard to believe that there's more than 1 scum out of those 3.
So that leaves nobodywonder who's pretty much disappeared. I haven't been crazy about any his posts so far. Rainbows points some of it out above. Plus he accused me of sheepvoting for Raven yesterday which I clearly wasn't doing.
##Vote: NobodyWonder
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On March 26 2013 14:29 nobodywonder wrote:
your whole case against is based on town confirmations My whole case isn't based on town confirmations. I'll try to break it down again:
Yes, I'm reading ray and rain as town for now. They're putting their opinions out there, trying to get other people to state their opinions and making logical conclusions. Yes I realize that people can play scum well and appear to be a townie but this is a noob game so I'm gonna assume this isn't the case for now.
So the 2nd part of my case is based on the night kill. I think you'd agree that if Fishgle didn't get hit last night, he'd be a prime lynch candidate for the town today right?
So now let's look @ the other 3 people that looked likely to be lynched going into the night: I'd say it'd have to be (Raven, Virtu and Krafla). If there was more than 1 scum out of those 3, do you really think they'd take the fishgle lynch off the table?
That leaves just you NW. So you're right, the bulk of my case is not based on whether or not you're acting scummy. Though after I came up w/ my conclusion, I reread your posts and tried to find something that sounded like actual scumhunting. I didn't see a thing that looked like a townie posting.
So tell me what in my case seems off to you:
Do you think I'm wrong about Ray or Rain? Why?
Do you think that there's a flaw in my analysis about the Fishgle hit? In other words: Do you think that Fishgle seems like a likely hit if there are multiple scum among Raven, Virtu and Krafla?
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On March 26 2013 14:29 nobodywonder wrote:
your whole case against is based on town confirmations, and I don't that is qualified when you haven't had great reads and the use of town confirmations can lead to holes or other issues. When you say I haven't had great reads, are you referring to only my read on Frorgon? Otherwise, how would you know how good my reads have been on anyone else?
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On March 26 2013 22:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
JarJar: There is actually something you are not taking into account. I just read my own and Rainbows filter. Neither of us really do call Fishgle out before N1 end (when it's impossible to change night actions). Nobody else wasn't really calling Fishgle out. There actually is a possibility that two of those guys you mentioned are mafia, because Fishgle didn't really have any opinions other than me & Rainbows. I don't still close the possibility of NW being mafia, but your case to be honest isn't a really good reasoning because it's based more on night hit WIFOM than actual analysis on why NW particularly is mafia. I'll reread but I definately felt like people were banging on the fishgle is bad drum even before the night phase.
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On March 26 2013 23:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 22:43 JarJarDrinks wrote:On March 26 2013 22:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
JarJar: There is actually something you are not taking into account. I just read my own and Rainbows filter. Neither of us really do call Fishgle out before N1 end (when it's impossible to change night actions). Nobody else wasn't really calling Fishgle out. There actually is a possibility that two of those guys you mentioned are mafia, because Fishgle didn't really have any opinions other than me & Rainbows. I don't still close the possibility of NW being mafia, but your case to be honest isn't a really good reasoning because it's based more on night hit WIFOM than actual analysis on why NW particularly is mafia. I'll reread but I definately felt like people were banging on the fishgle is bad drum even before the night phase. That's what i felt like too, but nobody really said so, so people who are not reading observantly may have missed it. Yeah, I guess it seems like he wasn't as likely to be lynched as I remember. So that does put a hole in some of my reasoning.
On March 26 2013 23:30 Krafla wrote:
So we're still waiting on a vote from virtu? Actually we're waiting on anything from virtu. He was supposed to post in 5 hours like a day ago. I don't think we can let him continue to ignore this thread. If he's town, he done nothing to even appear as if he's trying to help.
So based on those 2 things, I'm gonna:
##Unvote
##Vote: virtu
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On March 26 2013 23:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Your vote is useless at the moment. We can switch to virtu if he fails to put something decent up when he posts. At this point there is no reason to have your vote on him. I'm hoping voting for him forces him to post. Then if I like what he has to say, I'll switch off of him.
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On March 27 2013 00:01 Krafla wrote:
You're right. My vote is useless at the moment, especially now that JarJar has come in and thrown his vote down on virtu, splitting the votes perfectly evenly, looks like we're heading to another D1 situation and that the mafia has us over a barrel. How does me switching my vote to Virtu make your vote on him more useless? If you think Virtu is scum, I just made it so he's more likely to be lynched. Like, if the votes are split evenly, what makes the votes on Virtu more useless than the votes on the other people?
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On March 27 2013 00:06 Rainbows wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 00:01 Krafla wrote:On March 26 2013 23:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 26 2013 23:30 Krafla wrote:
Current votes at the moment if I can count.
virtu 1 - Krafla
NW 3 - Rainbows, JarJar, TRN
TRN 2 - ray, nw
So we're still waiting on a vote from virtu? Your vote is useless at the moment. We can switch to virtu if he fails to put something decent up when he posts. At this point there is no reason to have your vote on him. You're right. My vote is useless at the moment, especially now that JarJar has come in and thrown his vote down on virtu, splitting the votes perfectly evenly, looks like we're heading to another D1 situation and that the mafia has us over a barrel. Right then, I'm going to switch my vote ##Vote: TheRavensNameI've looked at ray's arguments against TRN and I've looked at Rainbow's arguments against NW and I think ray's arguments are the best. I don't like that Rainbows is defending TRN so much, let him defend himself and I don't like the fact that Rainbows stated that virtu was his No 1 scum read on N1, yet he's voting for NW. Why are you voting for NW over Virtu Rainbows. What has changed your mind. We know how you feel on TRN, how do you choose between the other two? Are you daft? I'm not going to vote for virtu when he hasn't responded to my stuff... that's just unreasonable. I need him to respond to my cases on him if anything. NW is the one voting for TRN to get his ass out of the water and appearing in the thread while not doing a whole lot. Wait WHAT? You're not gonna vote for virtu because he hasn't responded to you? Well I guess if he's scum he should just not respond to you then huh?
More importantly, what are you waiting for him to say exactly? Are you somehow not sure if he's scum anymore?
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On March 27 2013 00:34 Rainbows wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 00:32 JarJarDrinks wrote:On March 27 2013 00:06 Rainbows wrote:On March 27 2013 00:01 Krafla wrote:On March 26 2013 23:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 26 2013 23:30 Krafla wrote:
Current votes at the moment if I can count.
virtu 1 - Krafla
NW 3 - Rainbows, JarJar, TRN
TRN 2 - ray, nw
So we're still waiting on a vote from virtu? Your vote is useless at the moment. We can switch to virtu if he fails to put something decent up when he posts. At this point there is no reason to have your vote on him. You're right. My vote is useless at the moment, especially now that JarJar has come in and thrown his vote down on virtu, splitting the votes perfectly evenly, looks like we're heading to another D1 situation and that the mafia has us over a barrel. Right then, I'm going to switch my vote ##Vote: TheRavensNameI've looked at ray's arguments against TRN and I've looked at Rainbow's arguments against NW and I think ray's arguments are the best. I don't like that Rainbows is defending TRN so much, let him defend himself and I don't like the fact that Rainbows stated that virtu was his No 1 scum read on N1, yet he's voting for NW. Why are you voting for NW over Virtu Rainbows. What has changed your mind. We know how you feel on TRN, how do you choose between the other two? Are you daft? I'm not going to vote for virtu when he hasn't responded to my stuff... that's just unreasonable. I need him to respond to my cases on him if anything. NW is the one voting for TRN to get his ass out of the water and appearing in the thread while not doing a whole lot. Wait WHAT? You're not gonna vote for virtu because he hasn't responded to you? Well I guess if he's scum he should just not respond to you then huh? More importantly, what are you waiting for him to say exactly? Are you somehow not sure if he's scum anymore? He hasn't even shown up and attempted to do anything. I'm giving him TIME. Time for what though? To explain himself better? Do these posts really seem like they're from someone that is gonna be able to be talked out of thinking Virtu is scum:
On March 23 2013 00:53 Rainbows wrote:
Holy crap you're scum.
On March 23 2013 02:07 Rainbows wrote:
If nobody see's how scummy that post was by Virtu, you're blind.
On March 23 2013 22:18 Rainbows wrote:
Virtu best lynch USA
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- virtu posts paragraphs that do nothing to further towns agenda.
- virtu doesn't hunt scum all game, and refuses to.
- virtu openly sheeps with zero original thinking, but we should be suspect of lurkers.
virtu best lynch right now, gonna be flippin' scum all over this bitch.
On March 23 2013 22:27 Rainbows wrote:
In short, vote virtu win game.
I mean, yesterday we vote virtu to win the game. Today you're not gonna vote for him because it's unreasonable to do so without first giving him time to respond?
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On March 27 2013 01:57 TheRavensName wrote:
Your case seems to be against RAinbows Jarjar, why are you not voting for him over Virtu? I legit wanted a response from him because it seemed fishy to me. While I'm not crazy about his answer, he's certainly not my top suspect though I'm not reading him as townish as I was. And honestly Virtu isn't my top suspect either, but I want him to post.
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On March 27 2013 02:33 Krafla wrote:
JarJar who is your biggest read? I can't really decide between the 2 vote leaders (NW and TRN). I'm gonna reread the thread again and see if I can pick anything new up.
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On March 27 2013 03:24 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 02:45 JarJarDrinks wrote:On March 27 2013 02:33 Krafla wrote:
JarJar who is your biggest read? I can't really decide between the 2 vote leaders (NW and TRN). I'm gonna reread the thread again and see if I can pick anything new up. If you couldn't decide why would you have voted for NW, and why didn't you do that before you swapped toVirtu? I made my case on NW. Ray then pointed out a flaw in it which I acknowledged. So while it doesn't negate my whole case against him, he's probably not my top suspect anymore.
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On March 27 2013 03:36 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 03:33 JarJarDrinks wrote:On March 27 2013 03:24 TheRavensName wrote:On March 27 2013 02:45 JarJarDrinks wrote:On March 27 2013 02:33 Krafla wrote:
JarJar who is your biggest read? I can't really decide between the 2 vote leaders (NW and TRN). I'm gonna reread the thread again and see if I can pick anything new up. If you couldn't decide why would you have voted for NW, and why didn't you do that before you swapped toVirtu? I made my case on NW. Ray then pointed out a flaw in it which I acknowledged. So while it doesn't negate my whole case against him, he's probably not my top suspect anymore. You also said you didn't think Virtu was scum either so.... Again this brings the question of why Virtu to the table.
Because I don't want to give him a pass on lurking. I thought allowing people to lurk was bad. If he's scum and can get away w/ lurking then why wouldn't he? Unless he thinks he's gonna be lynched, he really has no reason to even post anything.
And I didn't say I didn't think he was scum? I said he wasn't a top suspect of mine. It's not like I can get any type of read on him if he's not posting.
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And yeah, I'd really like to hear Kraflas explaination of his Cop statement because I really can't figure that one out.
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On March 27 2013 04:59 Krafla wrote:
You're missing my point TRN. I'm calling you out because there are no one shot roles in this game. Now if you want to deny that your first post is a breadcrumb, that's fine, but it looks awfully like you're fake claiming from the start. OK, Krafla, let's just say that you actually believed that those random words in TRNs post were breadcrumbs for a one shot cop (as ridiculous as that is). You know for a fact that there are no one-shot roles in the game. Why not bring it up earlier? Why even ask him to name his night one target? You have him caught already.
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On March 27 2013 09:10 Krafla wrote:
If nobodywonder flips town, I think we know who the mafia is.
##Unvote
Vote: nobodywonder
##unvote
##vote: Krafla
Pretty sure Krafla just outed himself here.
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Dude changes his vote to someone saying that if he flips town, he knows who the mafia is. Is there any doubt that he's gonna flip town now?
What is you reason for voting NW Krafla?
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Doesn't a tie not help right now? Otherwise I'd have moved already.
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##unvote
##vote: TheRavensName
But that still means NW gets lynched correct?
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Thanks for the help Virtu.
Rainbows is Scum, Raven is Scum, Krafla is scum or just terribad. If theres 3 mafia then we need a hero heal tonight plus we need all need 3 townies to vote real fast tomorrow. Probably unlikely w/ virtu deciding not to play the Fn game.
So let's hope that we just have 2 scummies and 1 terribad townie.
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