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layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
March 27 2013 02:42 GMT
#2746
Ive never been called a LADY before. I'm starting to blush.
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layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
March 27 2013 03:09 GMT
#2751
DarthPunk do you mind telling me where you stand, it's getting quite late?
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layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
March 27 2013 03:37 GMT
#2753
On March 27 2013 12:09 layabout wrote:
DarthPunk do you mind telling me where you stand, it's getting quite late?

Whether you have been busy or not you have provided nothing relevant since day2 and much of your posting on day2 was insubstantial.

For all your early aggression you have simply sheeped onto wagons with little effort or evidence of thought.

In the only analysissy type post of yours since day 2
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On March 25 2013 14:15 DarthPunk wrote:
Hi I've been reading the thread but to be honest I am pretty disheartened with the whole situation. For what it's worth I have a solid town read on Wave of shadow.

Somethings I didn't;t like recently.

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On March 25 2013 03:05 VisceraEyes wrote:
Hi guys I'm back. Reading now

gerpit: it had flavor - but it was implicit that I took a hit.



This is the second time Viscera Eyes has said something similar to this and just disappeared afterwards. These false promises of activity are really scummy. VE was a really really solid scum read of mine until his claim. I think it would have been retarded to fake claim by holding back KP day one. But not impossible.

He is a question that needs to be solved. But honestly I am too worried about mislynching to take a risk on VE. Maybe he is the best choice. IDK.

The other thing I didn;t like was this.

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On March 24 2013 21:12 zarepath wrote:


I know I was voting for cosmicomics, but after reading Wiggles' filter I'd thought he wouldn't be that bad of a lynch, either.

Honestly, that guy needs to flip soon. It seems as though nobody is really willing to talk about him. Does anybody have a town read on him, and why?


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On March 24 2013 22:03 glurio wrote:
Well didn't think that would happen.
Can we lynch cosmicomics now please?



These kind of posts are super weird after we mislynched again. When I mislynch three times in a row my confidence is shot. I double and triple think every read because I am worried about mis-lynching again. So when people come straight out after a mislynch like that fearlessly wanting to lynch into lynch bait. It worries me immensely.



You call VE scummy after who had stated he could not be scum in your opinion. Why would you call a player scummy if you don't think that player could be scum? I makes no sense if your town. But if your mafia it benefits you to cast doubt whenever you can.

Oh and your vote on me was horsemanure i only ignored you because i didn't want to introduce another candidate.
It seems a Kitaman lynch is off the cards and cosmic isn't mafia. Lynching a survivor does nothing to reduce mafia KP and it will let them get more shots off.
##vote DarthPunk
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layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
March 27 2013 03:56 GMT
#2761
It would be nice if people were around rather than posting once and leaving:
cough ken cough

At least Ryu is here to tell us that he doesn't want to lynch mafia.
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layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
March 27 2013 04:17 GMT
#2776
If you kill my lover two will perish,

I win with cosmic but my blood runs green.
I remember reading that there is 4 mafia right?
13 alive T M 3p 8 4 1

with 6 town and 4 scum with 2 KP assuming KP X/2 rounded down gives we lynch scum everyday gives:
8 4 1 d4
8 4 n4
6 4 d5 lylo*
6 3 n5
5 3 d6 lylo
5 2 n6
4 2 d7 mylo
4 1 n7
3 1 d8 mylo


with KP as X/2 rounded up
8 4 1 d4
8 4 n4
6 4 d5 lylo
6 3 n5
4 3 d6 lylo
4 2 n6
3 2 d7 lylo
3 1 n7
2 1 d8 lylo

*lylo is lynch scum or lose mylo is mislynch and lose
if individual scum have the kp then these situation could be drastically worse or a little better

If cosmic lives then there is a BP vest around and we have two more players that aren't mafia.
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layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
March 27 2013 04:25 GMT
#2781
On March 27 2013 13:21 WaveofShadow wrote:
Well fuck I wrote up a post and it got deleted. Essentially what layabout just said though was what I was getting at.

I find the claim fairly believable actually since I don't see scum getting two mason roles while we only get one. Layabout does your role have a name as well?

And as far as a kita lynch goes, it doesn't feel good to me at all...I gotta look into this.

I began a fool i became a reflection if my dreams are shattered i may become a loser and a fool again.
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layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
March 27 2013 04:42 GMT
#2796
On March 27 2013 13:33 WaveofShadow wrote:
So a Dreamer?
Can you confirm that you die if cosmic does, because that's not what your last post makes it seem like.

Reading through kita's filter I've noticed that aside from myself, glurio and the recent business with cosmic, every single case that kita has made has been against townies, and very early on as well.

Now considering how misdirected we have all been this game I'm not sure if that means anything, especially since I have sheeped onto all of the mislynches eventually as well (except Wriggles, I claim partial responsibility for that as I wanted him dead for ages), but I wasn't the one creating the cases....

There's still time. This is going to be a really hard one for me because I have had a huge townread on kita ever since his case on me, and I've had a townread on DP for much of the game as well. Also interesting you've mentioned BH's effect on the game, DP, because I don't think we're done looking into that.....

Name is Mirror Image, i got it d2
before that i was The Fool

I don't think i can tell you what happens if cosmic dies. I will lose though.
must sleep
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layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
March 27 2013 04:44 GMT
#2800
TPS uses his greencheck to help mafia win.

TPS is probaly the ___father.
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layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
March 27 2013 04:55 GMT
#2812
On March 27 2013 13:48 RyuSuzaku wrote:
I AM PUSHING A PRO-MAFIA AGENDA

PLEASE DONT THINK CRITICALLY


On March 27 2013 13:49 WaveofShadow wrote:
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On March 27 2013 13:44 layabout wrote:
TPS uses his greencheck to help mafia win.

TPS is probaly the ___father.

This is scummy as hell layabout. I've been saying shit like this all game but at the same time saying I still have to assume he's green for now. You bring this up right as all the chaos is going down regarding your 3rd party wincons and late-day lynch targeting? The only reason I could think to bring up another possible lynch target right now is to misdirect.

This does make it seem like you're trying to cause chaos. Thank you for answering my questions though.


?
voting for me is voting for not-mafia and let's cosmic the not-mafia die and benefits mafia by giving them lylos and mylos until the end
changing my vote
Give me a mafia lynch to wake up to.
##vote Kitaman27
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layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
March 29 2013 02:29 GMT
#2923
I have been a bit busy today so sorry about that. I was hoping i would die since you ruined my dreams and did so knowing it would be to mafia's benefit.

We need to lynch mafia every day but at least they were out in full frce yesterday.

Today we lynch Kitaman27 or Ryusuzaku. Tomorrow we lynch the other one.
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layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
March 29 2013 02:31 GMT
#2924
lol that timing

I don't see ryu being town after his interaction with DP i can go into more detail when i have the time.
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layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
March 30 2013 02:47 GMT
#3011
On March 29 2013 15:54 ThePeashooter wrote:
Hey LayAbout, what day were you converted?

As i already said, i was converted on day. I was masoned during day1 and at the start of day2 the qt died and i got converted.

Guys if we do not consolidate then WE WILL LOSE

Toadya we should be lynching kitaman27.

Why is that you may ask? Well if you were reading the the thread you would not need to ask this.
Case UNO:
Mr. Wiggles dying words:
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On March 24 2013 02:44 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
People to really watch out for:

Kitaman:

Kita's play has actually been pretty passive. He's made cases, but has never really pushed them that much. Day 1, he was going after GoodKarma, couldn't get traction, and just sort of went, "Oh well, I'll vote for GreY then I guess", with only a line of explanation that doesn't even say he's scummy. The same thing happened on Day 2, where he made a case on WaveofShadow, but it was deflected by him claiming DT. So, he just votes for me, but doesn't really make too big of a push and only had a couple posts where he doesn't even strongly call me scum:

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On March 21 2013 09:02 kitaman27 wrote:
I'd support Wiggles or GK as an alternative, but I don't have the couple hours I'd need to put a case together and push a lynch at the moment.
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On March 21 2013 09:32 kitaman27 wrote:
As for today's lynch, Wiggles needs to get in here and tell us who he is voting for. He obviously shouldn't still be voting you, based on the reasons I just mentioned. I want to hear who he wants to lynch. I'd be willing to vote for him if we have the votes.
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On March 21 2013 09:34 kitaman27 wrote:
I also didn't like how Wiggles responded to my case about Wave. Rather than pushing the idea himself, he asked for my confirmation to elaborate for him.
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On March 21 2013 11:14 kitaman27 wrote:
I'm swapping my vote to him since he doesn't seem to care at all about what happens tonight.

He uses very neutral language, saying he'd support the lynch, and that he'd be willing to vote if there's enough votes. He says he didn't like one thing I did, and then finally votes me not because he says he thinks I'm scum, but because I'm not around. For someone he wants to kill, and who he voted for, he does a good job of not really explaining his read or of ever calling me scum. He did the same thing with the GreYMisT vote. He doesn't push his reads strongly, he doesn't call the people he switches to later scum, and he just votes on whatever the wagon is at the end of the day

His passive play combined with the lack of thread interaction and seeming apathy towards the lynch leads me to believe he doesn't have town's best interests in mind, and is scum.

Town should watch out for him, because his posts are nicely structured and he makes nice "cases" on people that he doesn't end up pushing. So, there will probably be people who'd oppose killing him based on the form of his posts rather than the content.

I agree that I need to die. I am a liability in late game because I've been playing badly and my scum reads have been shit so far. I need to get shot though, not lynched, because a lynch on me is wasted as I have no probability of flipping scum. I thought someone might shoot me Night 2, but no one did.

I don't like the way the Day has gone so far, because everyone is sitting on their hands and not talking because they think I'm scum. I find that pretty dumb, because you're basically giving mafia a free round of kills.

If you're going to lynch me, leave your vote on me, but at least talk about who else you think is scum, because I am going to flip green. If you don't talk, you're completely wasting your time.

I'm going to vote Cosmicomics because he is the only alternative wagon to me, and I read him as more likely to be scum than town.

If I end up getting lynched, I apologize for my poor reads, and want to say, good luck, and have fun.


Case two:
Hold on cosmic was 3p how can we trust him?
Well my skeptic read, cosmic may have wanted to save his own skin but that does not change the fact that he didn't know the scumteam and his case on kitaman carries considerable merit:
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On March 26 2013 02:42 cosmicomics wrote:
The kitaman27 case.

kitaman27 is a seasoned mafia vet and is capable of playing very well as either alignment. You won't catch him with "scum slips" or anything blatant like that. You need to look at deeper motives and really look at context to see subtle mafia agenda actions.




First is his big case on WaveofShadow D2.

If you reread how D2 unfolded, you would have noticed that there was a reasonable amount of suspicion and attention on Wade Fell as he garnered several votes. You have to watch the timing. kitaman27's case comes in at a timing to shift the attention off the Wade Fell / VisceraEyes interaction entirely, by offering a new prospective lynch target, namely WaveofShadow. His follow up post addressing the Wade Fell / VisceraEyes reveals the mafia agenda.

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On March 20 2013 09:09 kitaman27 wrote:
It would be silly to lynch either of VE or BH this cycle. Both are claimed blues. Let the mafia deal with them. If the issue is still around in two or three cycles, than we address it, but not on day two where there are so many other things to look at.


It's very subtle isn't it? He shifts attention away from the whole VisceraEyes / Wade Fell by "letting mafia deal with them". He implants the idea into town that it is very "silly" to look into these two suspects, and that the night actions will resolve the whole issue. The bolded part shows his intent to push the focus away. So many other things to look at? Why is the Wade Fell / VisceraEyes situation something not worth looking at / trying to figure out? Why does he work to take not only his attention, but the rest of town's away from the issue onto a new topic in WaveofShadow?

This is mafia misdirection at it's finest. You don't have to come into the thread and take bold stances you will be accountable for later on. All you have to do is evade the issue entirely and get people to focus on something else. No one can hold you accountable.

This is further supported in the way that he really works to drive this case home.
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On March 20 2013 09:39 kitaman27 wrote:
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On March 20 2013 09:19 Vivax wrote:
Well I read it right now but frankly I developed the feeling he is town, I find others way scummier than him and WoS is a newbie so I understand him being defensive, dunno why he rides so much on not knowing how to metaread though.


Being defensive is a newbie scum trait, so I don't think that really plays much of a part. This is his 5th or 6th game though, so he should be more than capable of pushing a case. In one of his early posts he mentions how he would rather not provide a scum read until he is prepared to develop a strong case. It's 100+ hours and 60ish pages into the game and he still hasn't done so.

On March 20 2013 09:45 kitaman27 wrote:
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On March 20 2013 09:41 WaveofShadow wrote:
Oh and kita, cute case.
I defy you to go through my meta and find something I've done differently this game than any of my others. I have never once lied in a mafia game thus far and have never been anything but town, including this game.

Vivax already gave you one of my typical defenses; hell I'll even add to it to attempt to appease you.


I write up a case against you and your response is that you've never lied? Where am I calling you a liar? My case is that you show no interest in pushing a lynch. Even with this post, you ask "who are the lynch targets"? A town player decides a lynch target and pushes it on other players. A mafia player looks at the bandwagons and selects his favorite.

I don't need another player to defend you. I'd like a response from yourself on the issues I mentioned.

On March 20 2013 09:48 kitaman27 wrote:
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On March 20 2013 09:45 WaveofShadow wrote:
I think I am comfortable enough to vote Wiggle right now though because he really just doesn't appear to give a shit.
Vote: Mr. Wiggles


This is exactly what I'm referring to. Just minutes earlier you posted about how you wanted to know who where the lynch candidates in order to determine who to look at. Now you're voting Wiggles with a one line explanation. You clearly couldn't have taken the time to read through the filters of the players you just asked about. So why is it that you are voting based on town sentiment, rather than finding a player that you believe is scum and explaining to everyone why you believe this is the case.

On March 20 2013 10:06 kitaman27 wrote:
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On March 20 2013 09:48 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'd like to think I've at least attempted to justify my jumping on said bandwagons when I vote.


I might have to call you a liar now.

Your explanation on the DarthPunk vote was:

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On March 18 2013 04:16 WaveofShadow wrote:
I CAN, however get behind a vote on DP. I support VE's case though I do not necessarily support his town circle


Your explanation on the GreYMisT vote was larger, but at that point you were preaching to the choir, as you were the 12th person on him. There was nobody to convince at that point.

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On March 20 2013 09:45 WaveofShadow wrote:
I think I am comfortable enough to vote Wiggle right now though because he really just doesn't appear to give a shit.
Vote: Mr. Wiggles


And here is your explanation of the wiggles vote, aided by a few other one liners about how he is lazy.

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On March 20 2013 09:53 WaveofShadow wrote:
I could of course go into more detail if you wish, but then you'd still just call that voting based on town sentiment.


Of course I would like you to go into further detail. Calling yourself town doesn't convince other players that you are town. Posting a case and pushing a lynch is what does that. I spent 2 hours reading the thread and another hour on my case against you. You look like you've sent 3 minutes deciding who to jump on.

On March 20 2013 10:16 kitaman27 wrote:
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On March 20 2013 10:13 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Kita, what do you think of WoS' flip on his reads?

He goes from being super-sure that Zarepath is scum and saying I'm his strongest town read, even baiting Zare into saying I'm scum to call him scum again, to wanting to lynch him as the day started, to agreeing with him, when all he did was reiterate the same stuff he said about me last night. So his read on him goes from scum -> town, and the last thing he's saying about him, is that something he did looks scummy. As for me, he's saying I'm town, and then that I'm scum, when all that happened is I made two posts at night, where I said I wasn't going to post reads, and was inactive for a while. His reads did a complete 180s, and the flips happened in line with what's popular at the time.


Since I made it pretty clear what I thought about his alignment, I'd be much more interested listening to what you had to say, rather than justifying it for you. Do you have a mafia read on Wave?

On March 20 2013 10:26 kitaman27 wrote:
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On March 20 2013 10:21 WaveofShadow wrote:
Lol.
I have had to defend myself against accusations like this every single game I've been in.
Guess what the outcome has been
EVERY
SINGLE
GAME.


How is your alignment in past games relevant at all?



Look at how much effort he puts into getting everyone to focus on this lynch.

Now, let's do a comparison case to the glurio case. Absolutely no follow up. No effort into convincing people, no effort to get opinions out of people, no effort to push the wagon. What's the difference? There isn't a pressing need to take attention off of a teammate like in the case of Wade Fell. There is only the need to maintain the image of scumhunting.

Now, let's look further into his glurio read. If you read D2 carefully, you would notice that glurio posted a case on WaveofShadow maybe 3 hours earlier than kitaman27's case.

Pull up the cases side by side and compare. What do you notice? They both use very similar bodies of evidence and similar reasoning. The only difference is that kitaman27's case has more paragraphs and quotes and formatting. But the essence is the same. Yet this is kitaman27's #2 scum read. Think about it. If someone makes a case using the same body of evidence and same type of reasoning before you present your own case, wouldn't that give you serious pause before thinking they are scum? Given how vehemently kitaman27 pushed the WaveofShadow case, it must mean that he felt that the case was really good, and that since only glurio picked up on it before anyone else, that glurio was thinking along the same lines. I.e. he was thinking like town. But nope. kitaman27 has glurio at #2 scum read.

Not only that, but as glurio perceptively points out
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On March 26 2013 02:02 glurio wrote:
You still have a scum read on me even after i posted a case on CC, which is my #1 scumread at the moment, kita?
I'd like to see how you plan to make that work.


kitaman27 isn't thinking holistically about the game at all, despite telling everyone that that is exactly what he has been doing. kitaman27 has been subtly working behind the sense to further mafia agenda and his inconsistencies and timings betray himself.

To close I would draw attention to Mr. Wiggles' posts where he notes kitaman27's passive play and apathy, which serves to further highlight how out of place his intense WaveofShadow wagon push is.

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On March 24 2013 02:44 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
People to really watch out for:
Kitaman:

Kita's play has actually been pretty passive. He's made cases, but has never really pushed them that much. Day 1, he was going after GoodKarma, couldn't get traction, and just sort of went, "Oh well, I'll vote for GreY then I guess", with only a line of explanation that doesn't even say he's scummy. The same thing happened on Day 2, where he made a case on WaveofShadow, but it was deflected by him claiming DT. So, he just votes for me, but doesn't really make too big of a push and only had a couple posts where he doesn't even strongly call me scum:

On March 21 2013 09:02 kitaman27 wrote:
I'd support Wiggles or GK as an alternative, but I don't have the couple hours I'd need to put a case together and push a lynch at the moment.
On March 21 2013 09:32 kitaman27 wrote:
As for today's lynch, Wiggles needs to get in here and tell us who he is voting for. He obviously shouldn't still be voting you, based on the reasons I just mentioned. I want to hear who he wants to lynch. I'd be willing to vote for him if we have the votes.
On March 21 2013 09:34 kitaman27 wrote:
I also didn't like how Wiggles responded to my case about Wave. Rather than pushing the idea himself, he asked for my confirmation to elaborate for him.
On March 21 2013 11:14 kitaman27 wrote:
I'm swapping my vote to him since he doesn't seem to care at all about what happens tonight.

He uses very neutral language, saying he'd support the lynch, and that he'd be willing to vote if there's enough votes. He says he didn't like one thing I did, and then finally votes me not because he says he thinks I'm scum, but because I'm not around. For someone he wants to kill, and who he voted for, he does a good job of not really explaining his read or of ever calling me scum. He did the same thing with the GreYMisT vote. He doesn't push his reads strongly, he doesn't call the people he switches to later scum, and he just votes on whatever the wagon is at the end of the day

His passive play combined with the lack of thread interaction and seeming apathy towards the lynch leads me to believe he doesn't have town's best interests in mind, and is scum.

Town should watch out for him, because his posts are nicely structured and he makes nice "cases" on people that he doesn't end up pushing. So, there will probably be people who'd oppose killing him based on the form of his posts rather than the content.


kitaman27 is the scum mastermind who has been manipulating town from behind the scenes.
kitaman27 is the lynch for today.

Vote: kitaman27



Yesterday kitaman27 was pushing for a cosmic lynch and pre-claim he may have been justified in doing so. However post-claim kitaman deliberately ignores the consequences of the claim, which there was plenty of evidence to support and very few reasons to doubt. Yesterday mafia benefitted the most from the lynch and kitman27 was aware of this but chose to push their agenda.

Why? Well he is mafia

##vote kitaman27
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layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
March 30 2013 03:36 GMT
#3020
As far as other scum go i don't see ryu being town after reading his discussion with DP i don't think it was 2 townies shouting at each other.

As far as the final two go It could realistically be any from:
kenpachi glurio doyouhas

I was hoping kenpachi would get vigged. kenpachi has done nothing to make me think he is town and has been voting with very little supporting arguments then afking a lot which is something scum would be more inclined to do.

If you are asking about yourself geript and glurio i would say that:
I am unsure about you DYH. You were carrying out independent analysis early on but your play yesterday furthered mafia objectives not town ones. I feel like glurio could be scum but since glurio wants to lynch kita and ryu who i am confident about i am hesitant to lynch him .I labelled geript towny early on and haven't had reason to change that label.
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Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
March 30 2013 05:28 GMT
#3027
Well if we are lynching glurio we need to consolidate

night
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layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
March 30 2013 14:35 GMT
#3135
I still don't get why glurio was lynched.

I will write up some thoughts later but seriously, that made no sense.
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Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
March 30 2013 14:55 GMT
#3136
+i couldn't win with mafia kita
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Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
March 31 2013 01:30 GMT
#3168
On March 31 2013 09:21 cosmicomics wrote:
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On March 31 2013 09:16 Blazinghand wrote:
On March 31 2013 09:13 cosmicomics wrote:
On March 30 2013 18:02 RyuSuzaku wrote:
On March 30 2013 18:00 Ace wrote:
I was asleep. But seriously I didn't even have a ton of time and I thought I made well reasoned posts, trying to keep everyone focused on 1 thing at a time. Somehow I got blamed for "telling everyone to stop scumhunting" and got lynched.

Sigh v_v


that's why I smurfed (not enough time to keep up my posting standard).

if I was on my normal acc I would've definitely played a different game. Well, if I was forced to not smurf I probably wouldn't have played, but w/e.

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also note that I mean I felt like I could've posted satisfactorily, but it would have been less than normal, i.e. I would take a lot of flak from people for not posting enough to my meta


Same exact reason I smurfed. Like, I want to play mafia, but I'll have an incredibly tough time playing since I don't have the same type of time available.


Can someone explain the layabout's mirror restriction? I assumed if I ever recruited mafia, their win con would change and they would just work to bus all the members, as it is the fastest, easiest way to victory. Layabout, what did your conversion PM say?


From what I can tell Layabout became completely 3p-aligned. He just got totally suckered when Kita lied and said he too was converted.

Why didn't he just proceed to bus every member and be heralded as best town player of all time?

e: as soon as day 2?

I wanted to bus initially but playing as mafia is so much fun and if had gone after them for no reason i think they could have shot me and when i flipped they would know cosmic had converted me and that he wasn't town, so i would be stuck with his wincon and they would kill him.

Well i still have the logs with Kitaman but i don't think i told him much mafia didn't already have access to. Once cosmic started to become a target i decided to share with them that i had been converted since i was supposed to keep him alive and he was the perfect person for us to push.

When VE was outed as the mirror, they had the chatlogs with cosmic and i think i had mentioned his role being the mirror (can't check the qt since the "all messages" has disappeared).

If i didn't want to play with and help the mafia i wouldn't have told kita anything after he couldn't give me the right rolename. Maybe i just wanted someone to talk to, maybe my sleep schedule has addled my brain.

I dislike only having the qt and some irc to communicate with your team. For the most part irc was dead and got worse once BH left and the only interaction i had with WBG was him avoiding talking about the game or giving unhelpful criticism/bashing. We also weren't allowed to communicate outside of the qt without hosts permission, irc was fine as long as logs were sent but whilst playing kitaman repeatedly referred to conversations and decisions that were not in the qt that i was not a part of. We were not very well organised and there was nothing more frustrating than deciding what night actions to take only to wake up and discover that you might as well have said nothing because while you were asleep something went wrong. I am not going to sign-up to any more games with awkward deadlines.

night one i left with the impression that ve and wiggles would die and either vivax or VE would get blocked, i wanted to rb VE but ryu and kita thought he was blue so should be blocked. In the end BH sent in the wrong PM and they rb and shot keir and shot VE but they had intended to rb and shoot VE and shoot sciberbia.

night two the night kills went as planned and it was nice.

night three i left with impression that Testsubject and TPS would die. yet VE and cogulation ended up dead.

night 4 we decided to shoot TPS and Tesubject. DarthPunk and Testsubject were shot.
-_-
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[23:14] == playa [02db242b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.219.36.43] has joined #MLPfanclub
[23:14] <playa> sup
[23:14] <playa> kita666
[23:14] <Kita666> hey
[23:15] <Kita666> lol so don't tell anyone, but I'm your cult buddy. I was recruited this cycle ^_^
[23:15] <playa> it's so cool being in a cult
[23:16] <playa> not like those stupid outsiders say
[23:16] <Kita666> i know, right
[23:16] <playa> they don't understand us
[23:16] <Kita666> have some kool aid
[23:16] == Blazinghand has changed nick to |
[23:16] == | has changed nick to Blazinghand
[23:16] <Kita666> :p
[23:16] <Kita666> good thing this dead noob can't report back to the others
[23:17] <playa> |
[23:17] <playa> hehe
[23:17] <playa> so we play for mafia win?
[23:17] <Kita666> what are you thinking?
[23:17] <Kita666> not sure what would be the easiest
[23:17] <playa> originally i wanted to backstab all of you
[23:18] <playa> but that was just cus of the noight actions
[23:18] <Kita666> lol
[23:18] <playa> if ryu and geript die we could surrender and win
[23:18] <playa> but i don't want it to go that way
[23:18] <playa> i want to win as mafia
[23:18] <playa> cus this game demands it
[23:18] <Kita666> hehe
[23:19] <playa> nobody on town derserves the win
[23:19] <playa> they are jumping over each other to stop playing
[23:19] <Kita666> can't compalin about that :p
[23:19] <playa> ironically the towniest thing trance has done is try to get replaced out
[23:19] <Kita666> haha
[23:19] <playa> not sure why thats ironic but i said it
[23:19] <Kita666> it must be true then
[23:20] <playa> thing that confuses me
[23:20] <playa> is how you could be converted
[23:20] <playa> i need some sort of questioning emotican
[23:20] <Kita666> hmm?
[23:20] <playa> well i thought i was masoning
[23:20] <playa> then i got a pm saying i was converted
[23:21] <playa> what happened to you?
[23:21] <Kita666> I got my mason pm, we chatted for an hour, I told him I knew who he was and then I was converted
[23:21] <Kita666> XD
[23:23] <playa> whgat is your role name?
[23:23] <playa> what*
[23:23] <Kita666> Devil
[23:23] <playa> i gots to be paranoid man
[23:23] <Kita666> paranoid?
[23:23] <playa> and what is your new role name
[23:24] <playa> as in not trusting you, you filthy mafioso
[23:24] <Kita666> I was told I remain a fool since my godfather power covers things
[23:24] <playa> but when you got converted did you get a new name?
[23:24] <Kita666> no, DrH told me I would have, but that would conflict with my devil role
[23:25] <Kita666> so I'm still a fool
[23:25] <playa> weird
[23:25] <playa> very weird....
[23:25] <Kita666> guess it makes me so i can't return third party to dt checks
[23:25] <Kita666> can't complain
[23:26] <Kita666> we need to convince the other guys not to waste a shot on VE
[23:27] <playa> i kept my minotaur powers but got a new name
[23:27] <playa> why?
[23:27] <playa> pretty sure he wasn't converted
[23:28] <Kita666> not according to cosmic :p
[23:28] <playa> ahh
[23:28] <Kita666> he is just as clueless as us why he claimed tho
[23:28] <Kita666> Ve is hard to understand
[23:28] <playa> that would explain why he is so willing to die
[23:28] <Kita666> true
[23:28] <playa> i wonder if he figured out i was masoned to cosmic
[23:29] <Kita666> maybe cosmic mentioned it to him
[23:29] <Kita666> would make sense why he isnt pushing you
[23:29] <playa> i think was a bit too obviuos
[23:29] <playa> since i was going to push him over bh
[23:29] <playa> well it looks like we are secure in a wiggles lynch
[23:29] <Kita666> ya hopefully
[23:30] <playa> VE is a bad player for town to have at endgame that alone should be enough of a reason for him to live
[23:30] <Kita666> true
[23:30] <Kita666> I forget what DrH said happens to us if cosmic gets lynched and don't have access to tl to check the pm
[23:30] <playa> We can argue that the green check on TPS makes him the most threatening
[23:30] <Kita666> stupid work filter
[23:31] <playa> also we don't know if VE was protected and if we don't shoot WoS we need the roleblock for him
[23:31] <playa> it's possible VE still has his life
[23:31] <Kita666> maybe
[23:32] <playa> whether he does or not doesn't matter, it's a risk we don't need to take with a dead medic
[23:32] <Kita666> do you remember if we're removed from the game when cosmic dies?
[23:32] <playa> what else did you tell cosmic if anything?
[23:32] <playa> haven't been told havent asked
[23:33] <playa> because it's not going top happen
[23:33] <playa> *to
[23:33] <Kita666> ah, mind sending drh a pm just in case? I'd do it, but I'm at work
[23:33] <playa> i would rather it stay a surprise
[23:33] <Kita666> lol I don't like surprises
[23:34] <Kita666> need to know if i need to sacrifice myself
[23:34] <Kita666> or not
[23:34] <Kita666> to save him if the time comes
[23:34] <playa> it's a surprise that happens if we have lost
[23:34] <Kita666> cosmic mentioned he was looking at ryu or kenpachi next since they were under the radar
[23:34] <playa> already
[23:35] <playa> hmm
[23:35] <playa> to recruit or push?
[23:35] <Kita666> recruit
[23:35] <playa> if it's ryu
[23:35] <playa> i think we can just backstab geript
[23:35] <playa> and that would be okay
[23:35] <playa> i would feel bad though
[23:35] <Kita666> lol
[23:36] <playa> thing is
[23:36] <playa> if he knows the scumteam
[23:36] <playa> he can still win if we die
[23:36] <Kita666> true, that's the dangerous part about him
[23:36] <Kita666> if he sides with town
[23:36] <playa> the other dangerous side
[23:37] <playa> is how scummy he looks
[23:37] <Kita666> lol -_-
[23:38] <Kita666> I wonder what happens in a scenario where its like 2 mafia, 2 third party mafia, 1 third party mirror, and 4 town
[23:38] <playa> then it's not endgame
[23:38] <Kita666> ya, but we would have control of the lynch
[23:38] <Kita666> if he sides with mafia
[23:39] <Kita666> hmm
[23:39] <playa> which he should since he will win
[23:39] <Kita666> this mechanic doesn't make sense if we just decide to backstab the mafia team
[23:39] <Kita666> how would we possibly lose?
[23:40] <playa> i think we aren't allowed to out our team mates since it would break the game?
[23:40] <playa> it's basically like posting a pm or role list
[23:40] <Kita666> ya, but we're still allowed to push them for lynches
[23:40] <Kita666> and its not like ryu or greipt would be able to shoot us for it
[23:40] <playa> kita do you want to know something funny?
[23:41] <Kita666> whats that?
[23:41] <playa> i have been masoned to town once
[23:41] <playa> in about 5 masons
[23:41] <Kita666> lol
[23:41] <playa> next person to mason me i am gonna push like fuck
[23:41] <Kita666> The only mason I can remember is when we got married <3
[23:42] <playa> opposite scumteams
[23:42] <Kita666> lol
[23:42] <playa> we won that game somehow
[23:42] <playa> it was the one where i got caught and called every person in thread mafia
[23:42] <playa> with the aid of pictures
[23:42] <Kita666> that game was so broken with the way the roles were passed on
[23:42] <Kita666> no idea how town lost
[23:43] <playa> drazerk was in a pm circle with acro and hassy who had the big powers
[23:43] <playa> and they sat back an let him win
[23:43] <playa> cus they stopped caring
[23:43] <Kita666> lol
[23:46] <Kita666> hmm
[23:46] <Kita666> how many mislynches do we need until third party + mafia control the lynch?
[23:46] <playa> wait
[23:46] <playa> If you are green or blue your win condition is to remove all threats to the town, the same as it always is. If you are red your goal is to equal/outnumber the town, the same as it always is. I did not include specific win conditions in the role pms. Sorry for the confusion.
[23:47] <playa> do we count as mafia or 3rd party?
[23:47] <playa> i know we count towards mafia KP
[23:48] <Kita666> hmm
[23:48] <Kita666> oh
[23:48] <Kita666> i have an pretty funny though
[23:48] <Kita666> *thought
[23:49] <Kita666> what would happen if cosmic recruited ryu tomorrow, then ryu told him to recruit greipt
[23:49] <Kita666> then we all claim mafia
[23:49] <Kita666> XD
[23:50] <playa> evryone can WIN
[23:50] <playa> FUCK IT
[23:50] <playa> THIS NEEDS TO HAPPEN
[23:50] <Kita666> haha
[23:50] <playa> can we crumb him to do it?
[23:51] <Kita666> perhaps
[23:51] <playa> Like cosmic i think you should focus on RYU tomorrow?
[23:51] <playa> is that breaking the game?
[23:51] <Kita666> not sure
[23:51] <playa> no
[23:51] <playa> it playing to win condition
[23:51] <playa> plus it's risky
[23:52] <playa> ther are 17 alive
[23:53] <playa> 2 mafia 2 mafia/3p two 3p and 11 townies
[23:54] <playa> with mislynches and no vigs 3 town die per day
[23:54] <playa> if he converts town
[23:55] <playa> then tomorrow we have 4 mafia 3 third party and 7 town
[23:56] <Kita666> and that ensures he can't be lynched
[23:56] <playa> and the next day would be 4 mafia 4 third party and 4 town
[23:56] <playa> yup
[23:56] <Kita666> cool
[23:56] <playa> but it also assume that town will be converted and they will do so quickly
[23:58] <playa> if they take the full cycle recruit like i did then the 3p number will be 1 lower and the town ones will be 1 higher
[23:58] <playa> but us two at least need two more mislynches
[23:58] <Kita666> true
[23:58] <playa> and then we should be able to get the next one
[00:14] <playa> are we done here?
[00:18] <Kita666> I think so
[00:18] <Kita666> I'm going to afk for a bit
[00:18] <playa> drh want to see communication
[00:19] <playa> but we cant post this in qt
[00:19] <playa> should i pm him?
[00:19] <Kita666> already did
[00:19] <Kita666> :p
[00:20] <playa> "[23:33] <Kita666> ah, mind sending drh a pm just in case? I'd do it, but I'm at work"
[00:20] <playa> LIAR
[00:25] <Kita666> lol he skyped me
[00:25] <Kita666> no tl needed :p

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[01:20] <playa> yo
[01:20] <playa> kita
[01:20] <playa> kita666
[01:20] <playa> we do not count toward the mafia count for them to win
[01:20] <playa> also i drink much
[01:22] <playa> but cosmic has to alive with the remaining players all form one faction
[01:23] <playa> so we need to have all 3p and no scum
[01:23] <playa> or all 3p and no town
[01:23] <playa> but obviously we can win if mafia + 3p > or= to town
[01:24] <playa> we ight also want to consider asking for shorter days since we will need many more

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Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-31 01:40:52
March 31 2013 01:37 GMT
#3170
oh and lynching cosmic was silly because for all town new a mafia lynch would have reduced KP, they had a big pool of players that in all likelihood were not mafia (cosmic, VE, test, WoS probably TPS), and lynching him would put them at lylo or, if i was town and the 3p dying killed us both would have given mafia the win then and there.*

cosmic's case on kitaman was in my opnion the strongest case in the game and if you overlooked it i would like to know why.

*4 mafia 2 third party 7 town ---lynch--> 4 mafia 7 town --2 nightkills--> 4 mafia 5 town and scum still have 2 kp so will win
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Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
March 31 2013 01:49 GMT
#3172
Ace cosmic was lynched on day4

I agree with you about VE but i would do it out of policy. VE wasn't going to bring all that to the thread unless he was still town.
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Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
March 31 2013 01:56 GMT
#3175
The mechanic worked around being masoned for a certain length of time* and whoever was masoned could end it whenever they choose.

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Does anybody else think it's funny that Dr.h uses cylce to mean a day or night and everyone else uses it too mean day and night cycle?
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