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On March 18 2013 02:16 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 01:50 GreYMisT wrote:
I am not willing to lynch sandroba today. The only evidence people are at all able to present regarding him is that he has been inactive.
This doesn't cut it when we have real discussion happening and some real targets. Everyone voting sandroba needs to tell us why they prefer him over people who we actually have cases against. This is simply not true (and I am sure you read my post), the evidence is that he starts the game much more differently than in his town games. In his town games he starts with questions, says what he finds suspicious or townie, but most importantly, he gives reasons. Reasons, grey, that's the bsbsbsbs after saying something. Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 22:24 sandroba wrote:
Geript and sciberbia are both town. BH is trying to emulate his previous behavior. VE is silly. Peashooter I'm leaning town due to the no name claiming warning, other than that the rest of the speculation is pointless at this stage. He seems to be a reasonable fella though, I'm curious about who he is.
Keep up the good work gents. Two townreads. No reasoning. Neutral statement about BH. Meaningless statement about VE. TPS leaning town for his setup speculation. Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 22:45 sandroba wrote:
Don't care about your "points", and neither do you. You seem mafia to me. Last sentence gave you away. I think it was Ryu(?) who pointed out that this post is strange. It's actually hard to tell if Sandro is trolling or serious but cause of this previously: I'd say he was serious. No explaining behind why Greymist is suspicious for this: Show nested quote +While I also think that what he is doing atm is very useless, Why do you think it is worth killing for?
I actually agree that Greymist's comment was off (implying BH would kill TPS immediately for the setup speculation, but thinking about it, it sure looked like it), however I don't think it's indicative of alignment at all, it's just that, sounding strange. No particular agenda, rather asking BH in a weird way if he would lynch TPS for that. Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 22:40 GreYMisT wrote:On March 16 2013 22:30 sandroba wrote:
Update: Greymist is suspicious. Do you disagree with the point that I made? Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 22:45 sandroba wrote:
Don't care about your "points", and neither do you. You seem mafia to me. Last sentence gave you away. So well, greymist, I don't actually get at all why you feel the need to defend sandro when he attacked you in such a way that doesn't seem genuine to me. Ryu pointed it out in a good way. It looks like sandro was just acting, and you just not caring.
On March 18 2013 02:17 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
In the interest of fairness, I will mention that Sandroba had legitimate activity issues yesterday due to not staying at home like a NERD on St.Patrick's Day.
You were saying? 
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I'm still voting for goodkarma for the moment, but what do people think of WaveofShadow? I just went through his posts and noticed that literally the only thing he has done this game is discuss meta, and not in the good way. To me it seems as though he is yet another player promising an opinion and saying he will look into things, but preparing excuses for a later sheep.
I'd like to see a vote from him soon.
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On March 18 2013 02:37 layabout wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 02:28 GreYMisT wrote:
I'm still voting for goodkarma for the moment, but what do people think of WaveofShadow? I just went through his posts and noticed that literally the only thing he has done this game is discuss meta, and not in the good way. To me it seems as though he is yet another player promising an opinion and saying he will look into things, but preparing excuses for a later sheep.
I'd like to see a vote from him soon.
WoS has done bugger all but is telling us he has been doing stuff. He complains about inactivity whilst being inactive and he tried to shoot down SAST which is something i expect sum would do. I don't want to lynch GK since his reads made sense from a town perspective. What do you think about DarthPunk?
Almost the exact same feeling as I get about wave. I mention wave over DarthPunk becuase DP is not guilty of wave's contridictions that you mentioned.
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layabout I did just look at DP's filter again, and noticied that he commented on the same post that I did of goodkarma's. Something strikes me as odd about that post, with him seemingly calling him out on it, but then giving a fairly weak reason why he doesnt want gk lynched. I am wary of such stances.
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On March 18 2013 02:48 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 14:38 GreYMisT wrote:
Perfect, I was waiting for this!
Does anyone else but me find this post odd? let me tell you why you should.
First off. I have contributed about 0 things this game. Zilch. Nada. So much so that it honestly should be a null/leaning scum tell on me. Especially considering I have not been around for the last few hours or so. Its not like im spamming or trolling, I have been a non presence.
Now normally this would be an OK pressure vote, if thats what this was. HOWEVER, he says that I am his number 1 scumread (he's willing to put a vote on me), saying that I have had ample opportunity to contribute, and am MORE than a lurker. This doesn't make sense. You were "waiting for this"? So are you saying you were setting a trap, being afk without contributing anything, and then when someone calls you out about it, you're going to pounce on them? How do you distinguish between a pressure vote and a real vote anyways? At that point it seemed quite reasonable to vote for you, I was considering it. I still think it would be reasonable to vote for you. So say I voted for you, rather than the guy leading the lynch vote. Would I have fallen for your "trap"? I find this scummy. As for goodkarma, I haven't moved my vote because I was sastisfied with his response. I am still leaning scum on him, though with GreYMisT and goodkarma going after each other, I'm not sure if they are trying to create distance or one of them is actually town. I think Vivax is a more sure bet however, based on the slip early.
I have to consider a pressure vote and a real vote the same, or else a pressure vote, by definition, loses its meaning.
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Kita I think its possible that vivax slipped up. I can definitely see that scenario happening in this game. I am not sure I am confident enough in the risk of lynching him based off only that though. Let me look over him for anything else.
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Alright kitaman, I'm willing to lynch vivax or gk today. I think vivax might be scum not only because of the slip, but because of his 2 posts where he responds to your pressure.
On March 18 2013 02:45 Vivax wrote:
I know. I used that wording in a cocky way since I felt very sure about having yamato in front of me. He didn't answer though and it might sound like I slipped his identity to others (assuming it's really him).
I think it's a stupid reason to lynch me although I would probably think something similar in your position. But if you do it, won't be my fault you lose something valuable.
On March 18 2013 02:51 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 02:41 kitaman27 wrote:
You say that you "tried to guess TPS's alignment" and that you thought he was town, yet the previous post indicated that he was your number one scum read. Finally, how can you possibly come to a conclusion on a smurfs identity like that? When I see TPS's posts, I see some random player. I couldn't possibly guess who it was by the sample size you were given.
Regarding this: I wanted to know if the guy is yamato cause if he is, I'd give him a townread (Feeling sure he was at that moment). If you go look, my read on him changed after his two big, abrasive posts (go look them up with the # at my post), where I assumed he was yamato cause yamato has an extensive work schedule and posts like that towards people who accuse him often. Kita, can you look at my cases regarding sandro, cosmic and DYH before jumping to conclusions and tell me what you agree and disagree with?
One thing that strikes me is Vivax's explination of being sure.. He says he was "so sure it was yamato" but in his followup post he gives an extremely weak reason of being so certain.
Also another small thing in addition to what kita pointed out, is this line "I think it's a stupid reason to lynch me although I would probably think something similar in your position. But if you do it, won't be my fault you lose something valuable."
Its subtle, but Vivax is essentially blaming his slip on us, even though he says that he would think the same thing in our position. He says that it wouldnt be his fault, when it very clearly would be.
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On March 18 2013 03:54 kitaman27 wrote:
Hmm I didn't notice the "I think" part that was mentioned later after he references yamato directly. Without the scumslip, I think I'd rather go back to GoodKarma. GreYMisT, you mentioned it was the response, not the scumslip that you found suspicious. Does this change your views at all?
It makes him seem less be overall, though its still weird that he didn't refrence that before now. With that pointed out I'm not as willing to lynch him.
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On March 18 2013 09:02 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 05:18 goodkarma wrote:
Briefly discussing some thoughts on the new suspects in the flurry of posts that have appeared since last night:
Regarding DarthPunk:
Darthpunk is definitely looking scummy right now. I understand where VisceraEyes is coming from in his case, and I generally agree with his points. One point I don't agree on though, is DP's defense of me. I understand where he's coming from there, and I attribute it to the several games we've played together.
And yes, VisceraEyes you can feel free to jump all over this as a soft defense or yada yada... But I know what DarthPunk's capable of if he actually is town, and there's enough doubt in my mind right now as to if he's scum that I'd really rather not lynch him day one. If he's town, it's an absolute waste. Further, if he's scum I'm confident I could spot it in later days. Ironically, this is pretty similar to the reasoning he used for me. But as of right now, I would say he indeed is scummy for the reasons you've mentioned.
Regarding Grey:
I really like ryu's case on Grey. With Sandroba being replaced, and these new valid concerns being brought up regarding Grey's posting history, I'm changing my vote back to Grey.:
##Unvote
##Vote: Grey
I would ask in the next few hours we find two candidates to consolidate our votes between. As of right now, we're kind of spread everywhere, which is poor form this close to the deadline. Give me a reason why I am looking scummy right now that isn't activity. I would really love to engage in some rational conversation with you.
Its because of GK's posts like these that I still feel like he is our best option.
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On March 18 2013 09:34 geript wrote:
Greymist is by far the better lynch today. I don't see how he's added anything constructive. Share paths inconsistencies can be explained by other things and is at least worth a day of listening too. Your fucktarded if you can't even see that.
I'm sure I speak for Dr.H when I say watch the insults.
I think the cases surrounding me are very weak, but honestly I don't care. If I am lynched so be it. I think GK is the best option today and I urge people to vote for him.
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Again, if I have to die so be it. the best I can do is say that I think goodkarma should be lynched.
After GK I think waveofShadow should be looked into, followed by testsubject. These are my feelings at the moment.
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I barely had any time for this game on the day that it started. I was so close to asking to replace out be ultimatly decided against it. When a wagon started forming against me I made the decision to instead make my reads known as opposed to spending the entire day arguing futility for my innocence.
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