Hydra Mini Mafia

On March 13 2013 08:25 FiveTouch wrote:
For obvious reasons my bullshit tolerance is pretty low.

##Vote: Moology

Take this as a warning AND an intent to lynch.

On March 13 2013 08:39 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote:

for obvious reasons why are you willing to lynch bullshit instead of scum?

On March 13 2013 22:06 FiveTouch wrote:
Some really annoying arguments that don't look very important. Usually townies argue like this.

iamp's question at the start of the game was bad. TLCastingGolem's summarising is far worse.

##Vote: TLCastingGolems

On March 13 2013 22:13 Dirk Hardpec wrote:


Whereas I add short posts that are blatantly not contributing.

On March 13 2013 22:16 DrParnassus wrote:


Nope I dont think he is scum. NEXT QUESTION PLEASE.

Also lynch Iamp/Hapa hydra please, utterly useless and trying to sheep off marv.

On March 13 2013 22:26 Dirk Hardpec wrote:


That game was cool until some weakling ragequit under tiny bit of pressure.

On March 13 2013 22:29 TLCastingGolems wrote:
You know, Soniv, it seems there a re a bunch of people complaining about our lack of contribution and----whoops, hey now-----apparently an accusation that we're playing against our win-con! What proof do they have of that?

Yeah Wave it sounds like easy vote-garnering with no real substance no me. I think if people really want to hunt scum they definitely have to look into motivations, specifically those of DrParnassus and Moology. What is the point of essentially arguing over votes that clearly mean nothing in the first few hours? Oh, and look at that Wave, more D1 early-game vote switching, from FiveTouch this time. Real threatening.

On March 14 2013 02:05 Promato wrote:


moc/oats goes back to their newbie games. I usually find just letting them yell at each other and ignoring their opinions of each other is safest.

Kier and palmar seem to be absent. I think this is just marv and bugs yelling at each other. I need my stupid other head here so i can talk some things over with him.

I'm gone until Yam comes back. Expect nothing from me until he shows he face.

On March 13 2013 22:29 TLCastingGolems wrote:
You know, Soniv, it seems there a re a bunch of people complaining about our lack of contribution and----whoops, hey now-----apparently an accusation that we're playing against our win-con! What proof do they have of that?

Yeah Wave it sounds like easy vote-garnering with no real substance no me. I think if people really want to hunt scum they definitely have to look into motivations, specifically those of DrParnassus and Moology. What is the point of essentially arguing over votes that clearly mean nothing in the first few hours? Oh, and look at that Wave, more D1 early-game vote switching, from FiveTouch this time. Real threatening.

On March 14 2013 03:49 FiveTouch wrote:


Then:


Really Hapa? You literally called out Golems for doing that in the EXACT SAME POST THAT YOU DO IT.

On March 14 2013 03:55 FiveTouch wrote:

My reading comprehension fails.

Carry on.

~Keir

On March 14 2013 03:49 DrParnassus wrote:
hapa you have no idea how happy i am that you finally posted. i have like 3/4 scumreads but each of my scumreads somewhat contradicts the others. right now, I think something like a wittyhyrdaname + castinggolem combo makes a lot of sense. if those two are scum, everything else in the thread can be easily explained by townies being emotional and/or egotistical. i've already said why i think the castinggolem is red... i pick wittyhydraname because of how well they've managed to not get involved in any of the shit flinging thus far

-tom waits

On March 14 2013 04:01 FiveTouch wrote:

Prom said before the game started that he was busy and would be relying on yamato to carry him. My assumption when reading that post was the "me" referred to the Promato account, meaning that Prom wouldn't be around to post for a while and there wouldn't be any posts from Promato until yamato showed up. Not that Prom was specifically avoiding posting until he could talk to yamato.

On March 14 2013 04:12 FiveTouch wrote:


how about you go screw yourself?

I'm playing perfectly seriously. I'm voting for a player who has said previously that he likes to troll as mafia, and all he has done so far is troll.

This is absolutely the most compelling evidence of anyone in the thread so far.

~marv

On March 14 2013 04:02 WaveofShadow wrote:
Well Soniv it's coming down to the halfway point of Day 1 and what have we got to show for it?

Honestly it doesn't seem much, Wave. The town has seemingly decided between voting for who annoys them the most; either us for 'casting style' and perceived inactivity and lack of giving them the precise analyses they want, or Dirk Hardpec for doing...well...nothing! I don't know about you, Wave, but this doesn't seem like a town who is keen to scumhunt to me, rather they're quick to jump on easy sheep targets for simple reasons.

Let 'em think what they want, Soniv. They'll come around eventually, I have faith in them. A few recent developments for those still catching up, DrParnassus is an angry guy, Promato's disappearance looking fishy, and ObliviousEyes coming to our defense somewhat.

Oh, but those aren't READS, Wave. We might make someone angry!

Too true. In that case, having a look at NewbieXXXI_Obs Cutie, despite the fact that he has aggressively been pushing for our lynch, actually looks pretty good right now. Gives analysis on major occurrences including the earlier Day 1 'fight' between Parnassus and Moology, and calls out his current scummy looking targets. Parnassus, on the other hand, accuses us of shit-flinging yet directly after this he flings his own at other members of the thread, including a post meaning to 'direct our attention' to WittyHydraName. No support, no real purpose. Fivetouch makes some comment which Parnassus immediately +1s. If I didn't know better I would think the earlier shit-flinging fight Parnassus had with Moology was specifically staged to make the both of them look town, which most people seem to suspect of them. Since our vote is still on Moology right now, I think it's time to hear from the experts' desk; we're going to pass it off to Moology.

Moology, any thoughts regarding your performance last night, or the current voting trends?

On March 14 2013 04:34 ObliviousEyes wrote:

This is the second time I noticed this slot cheerleading pissing matches.

##Unvote
##Vote: NewbieXXXI_ObsQT

On March 14 2013 04:19 FiveTouch wrote:


with your extensive knowledge of bugs mafia and the private conversations you have with him, yes? He disappeared after I put it to him earlier.

If he denies it, I'll spend the 2 hours needed to go trawling for wherever I remember him saying it.

On March 13 2013 13:17 Moology wrote:
...
I am done with the conversation. If you want to continue it, address the q to Omni.

On March 13 2013 20:11 WittyHydraName wrote:
Oats/Thrawn, whoever threw down the vote on Golems

My other head asked you a question at the top of this page:



Otherwise, VE, you seem to be making sense. Is this the game we we're dreaming about in the Hero mafia scum QT where we both roll town? In that post you were asking if one hydra head was asking for an opinion from the other head, he wasnt. He was asking for your opinion on his case on mocsta (OE is you.)

On March 14 2013 04:38 ObliviousEyes wrote:
What do you mean you expected an "EPIC BATTLE" with Kei?

On March 14 2013 04:44 FiveTouch wrote:
hmm, WittyHydra. Yes, I'll take a look at him, that seems worthwhile.

~marv

On March 14 2013 04:48 FiveTouch wrote:
yes, so fast in fact that your post is already out of date.

On March 14 2013 04:52 FiveTouch wrote:
damnit, I was really hoping to get something out of Witty before you guys started voting him and forced his hand. Seeing if someone contributes without pressure is way more cool. I think I caught this idea off supersoft in... YANMM

On March 14 2013 05:17 ObliviousEyes wrote:
I'm here man sorry, I'm at work. Give me like.....20.

On March 14 2013 07:08 Dirk Hardpec wrote:
sup neebs. I haven't checked my role PM nor do I plan on it. Fuck talking to wbg, he's just a liability.

/Palmar

On March 14 2013 10:31 Moology wrote:
yeah however, I thought we were targeting different things - maybe not?. Regardless I only played with a town marv (and its not matching up well so far)


Not sure how much that applies here.
When the first yelling & screaming was happening; no one else was online (apparently).
Also:
Guys like Marv/Bugs cant afford to drop activity if scum. So they need some spotlight shed on them regardless of alignment.

The guys I am aware who avoid the spotlight as scum = Snarfs, Oats, I assume jcarlsoniv.

On March 14 2013 10:37 Moology wrote:
Do what?

Love the spotlight as scum?

(moc)

On March 14 2013 10:42 Moology wrote:
Share thoughts on what I said above about Marv.. you know him better than me.. Is his attitude this game indicative of a scum marv?

(moc)

On March 14 2013 11:10 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote:

Looks like he is interested somewhat so leaning town for now

too early to tell though on a good scum player here.

On March 14 2013 11:16 DrParnassus wrote:


scum marv is marv that is still alive at mylo. no wifom, no exceptions.

other than that, hapa has caught scum marv before so you should be asking him these questions

On March 14 2013 12:42 Moology wrote:

Please walk me through this comment

On March 14 2013 23:08 FiveTouch wrote:


I simply cannot refute this.

~marv

P.S. I would note that last time this post was made, the guy was town. Just sayin' like.

On March 14 2013 23:14 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote:

lets kill the witty one he ain't gonna hunt scum.

On March 15 2013 00:53 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote:
stay the course men witty needs to burn BURN!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hello friends, we apologize for the disruption in service, it seems Real Life decided to knock on our door and we had to tend to it.

I think that if Witty never shows up (which is looking more and more unlikely as the time goes on), we should switch to Dirk Hardpec. I agree with ObliviousEyes' post here **INSTANTREPLAY**+ Show Spoiler + and this sentiment has been echoed by a few others as well. Dirk is NOT playing as a townie, and I think he should die for it.

And what about our vote for Moology, Soniv?

It should be retracted at this point. I haven't since seen much that leads him to be more damning in my eyes, and so I'm content with him living for now.

On March 15 2013 06:49 DrParnassus wrote:
really, please just drop the act. it's a fucking headache

On March 15 2013 07:08 TLCastingGolems wrote:
Some people are growing frustrated while others enjoy the flavor. Just goes to show that you can't please everyone, Soniv!

Indeed that's the case, and I say "tough cookies!" Newbie has still yet to explain why it would be a poor idea to take advantage of someone most everyone sees being scummy being modkilled, or "gaming the absence" as he says.

On March 15 2013 08:06 FiveTouch wrote:
Alright. This analysis should be not too hard. Dirk is probably mafia, and whoever distracted us on to Witty is probably mafia. that's my initial feels, may change upon re-read.

On March 15 2013 08:06 FiveTouch wrote:
Alright. This analysis should be not too hard. Dirk is probably mafia, and whoever distracted us on to Witty is probably mafia. that's my initial feels, may change upon re-read.

On March 14 2013 04:57 FiveTouch wrote:


I agree fully with this. Which is why I came into the thread whenever saying the arguments were boring and probably between townies. It's just a classic start to Day 1 in almost any game.

On March 15 2013 23:59 iamperfection wrote:
why would you ever say the person who was suspicious of somedy and pushed a lynch was mafia. makes no sense to me

also the last posts
were from the great one iamperfection

On March 16 2013 00:05 FiveTouch wrote:
fine, I'll be serious for a moment, even though I think you're hilarious.

Even in my 'lazy' scumgames I don't outright slip. I'm too good, too meticulous. You know this.

2) Given the flip, and the play apart from it, it seems pretty likely to me that Dirk is mafia, so looking at who helped moved the lynch from Dirk to Witty makes sense.

~marv

On March 16 2013 02:01 FiveTouch wrote:
I'm quite sceptical that iamp is mafia. His case is stupid but it doesn't make him mafia.

~marv

On March 16 2013 02:21 TLCastingGolems wrote:


You think we should kill dirk, but didn't want to take advantage of a mod kill on someone everyone though was scum to do it.

Then you don't want to kill dirk anymore.

You get called out for flip flopping.

You're back to wanting to kill dirk.

Forgive me if I seem confused, because you're certainly not making sense.

-S4

On March 16 2013 02:18 DrParnassus wrote:
HI IAMP. I'm looking right at you but you won't make eye contact with me! Why so guilty?

On March 16 2013 02:26 FiveTouch wrote:

Theoretically, because the case was made up from 100% bullshit. But, its you we're talking about, so that doesn't exactly apply.

~Keir

On March 16 2013 05:36 FiveTouch wrote:
Why the fuck is everyone so worried about me not posting much. This is not an 18 player game. It is a 9 player game. Marv speaks for our opinions, and if he's not around, I'll talk about what I feel is important.

~Keir

On March 16 2013 05:38 FiveTouch wrote:

I'm plenty vocal with my opinions...to my partner, and we discuss them, then he brings them to the thread when we've reached a consensus.

On March 16 2013 05:43 Promethelax wrote:


I don't see that this matters. Hyrdas are one being. You must read fivetouch. Not kier, not marv, but fivetouch.

On March 16 2013 05:54 FiveTouch wrote:

This point about the list-post is terrible. Really terrible. What about the contents of the list post? I agree with most of the reads and I agree with most of the reasoning behind the reads. In addition, he said he needed to look into you, and then subsequently did so, making a series of natural posts regarding how you were posting and your alignment.

~marv

On March 16 2013 06:08 FiveTouch wrote:

Expanding on this a bit, check out this series of events:











Then just a few minutes later:



I think this line of dialog makes it very likely that Promato is town. He came in with a decently strong scumread on ObsQT. Then I gave him even MORE reason to think that Promato was scum, with the iamp thing. But then he up and changes his read.

I don't see a scum Promato doing that. I was actively trying to get him into some discourse about a potential scum suspect and get some genuine thoughts, and he could have used it to cement his read further and have more ground for pushing. But he didn't. If he's scum, he closed off one of his potential mislynch options, under no pressure to do so.

~Keir

On March 16 2013 06:27 FiveTouch wrote:
Different games Hapa, and he only truly got a hard-on for lynching you Day 3.

~marv

NewbieXXXI_ObsQT - Hapa's posting certainly made me feel better about the slot, but ultimately both heads of this hydra pretty much all but disappeared from the thread in the hours leading up to the lynch. Considering the target was a townie, and the fact that it was originally NXXXIOQT that brought up the lurker lynch in the first place (DrP mentioned Witty, but NXXXIOQT was the one who ultimately brought Witty to FT's attention, which is in my opinion the original genesis of the lurker wagon) I'm going with my initial instinct on this slot - that NXXXIOQT was only interested early on in shoveling shit into the thread for no purpose other than make it unreadable.

On March 16 2013 08:03 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote:
Oh wait that's a kill? I thought it was some mod-confirmed townie action.

On March 16 2013 08:04 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote:

reading op is useful.....

On March 16 2013 08:04 FiveTouch wrote:
My post looks pretty sketch because I'm preempting the NK but Golems looks significantly worse for wanting to lynch Dirk as well as have Witty modkilled.

~marv

Dirk Hardpec - so yes, this guy is mafia. It's clear enough, it's been mentioned why - the trolling, the "I knew he'd flip town but did nothing about doing something else", the lack of anything.



Do *not* be fooled by this. This is typical vettish scumplay from Palmar (probably bugs too). I'll contribute later... just you wait... I'll prove I'm town... and then there'll be a post that these players are very capable of making look good or convincing. What you need to remember is that they have not contributed in the slightest so far. That's actually the important issue. Don't forget, also, that Palmar is well known for having Day 1 as his absolute best day. Like, by far. He catches mafia regularly Day 1, and tails off after. There's a post he made about this in the obsQT for Hero Mini Mafia if you're really interested in checking what I've said. The salient point being that theoretical town-Palmar has wasted his absolute best day of catching mafia, on the offhand promise that he'll do better tomorrow, and willingly lynching into town. He must die.

On March 16 2013 10:08 FiveTouch wrote:

1) What about this is similar to DeathNote? I'm not following. Are you saying that Dirk couldn't have been lynched yesterday? I very strongly disagree with that, and if we (meaning me and marv) were more confident that Dirk was scum than Witty, we almost certainly could have gotten him lynched instead.

2) You're missing the point here. Maybe Palmar has trolled away a day 1 in the past (Death Note is the only example I know of...his other Trolly-Day-1 games, he still gives actual insight [read: LVIII...uh, seems like another too]). That doesn't change the fact that Palmar openly acknowledges that Day 1 is his best day as town, and then 100% wasted it by doing absolutely nothing. I would lynch a Palmar that refuses to play on his strongest day in any game, because town Palmar is far far more likely to put in at least a modicum of effort early on.

GO AND READ THEM YOURSELF. I think OE is the best lynch, if the rest of you don't, do something the fuck about it rather than fucking whining like little bitches that it's just sheep marv day. Jesus christ.

To repeat to you, Hapa, I accused Palmar of being mafia for wasting his Day 1, and bugs as town doesn't usually waste Day 1s. Can you find me a single example in living memory where bugs did nothing as town on Day 1? I sure as hell can't.

~marv

On March 16 2013 10:10 FiveTouch wrote:
Seriously, I made that post because *I* put in the effort for the rest of town, then town has a hissy fit that I want people to sheep me? What's wrong with people? I'm out until tomorrow.

~marv

On March 16 2013 10:41 DrParnassus wrote:


i'm fairly sure that marv is referring to my vote, and my justification for said vote. the good news however, is that now i'm pretty confident about both of you being town after all this. i was very confident about marv being town before, but now i'm almost certain.

what happened to you completely agreeing with the case on VE? you're just throwing all that away because of some trivialities concerning palmars history of useful town play or lack thereof?

also you say that the night kill is strange

WHO IS THE MORE STRANGE SCUM PLAYER, MARV OR VE?

i don't see how you're like

"I think ve is scum, oh gosh that's a weird nightkill, must be marv instead of VE"

imo the choice of nightkills can be figured out... not by stuff like guessing about whether scum is trying to wifom you or not, but just by thinking about which player in the game (if they are scum) is most likely to night kill X player. You recently killed off marv, iamp, then myself in that order probably because we were the people in the game most likely to catch you if you were scum. So in a game where those 3 players get night killed, if hapa is in the game then there's a very good chance that hapa is scum. IMO VE being on the scumteam is the simplest explanation for this game's night kill.

On March 16 2013 10:42 FiveTouch wrote:
Its almost 3am in England. He went to bed.

On March 16 2013 11:11 Hapahauli wrote:
ok ok yeah FT is town.

Back to sheepy-land

##Vote ObliviousEyes

On March 16 2013 11:20 Hapahauli wrote:
Marv throwing his hissy-fit was a good sign that he was town. You stepping up to the block when you didn't need to is a sign that you're town.

I was planning on stringing this out a bit to see how Caster/ObliviousEyes reacted, but it doesn't seem worth it,

tl;dr
+ Show Spoiler +

On March 16 2013 11:37 FiveTouch wrote:

I...what? That makes no fucking sense. I've been posting every night after marv goes to bed. You were suspicious of me earlier for it, but now its a town tell?

On March 16 2013 11:40 DrParnassus wrote:


firstly, who wrote this post? secondly,

how's life aboard the magic school bus?

OH MY GOD MOO. You were scum all along weren't you>>> Please get in touch with me asap.... and it needs to be mocsta, not OE.


(btw we're still lynching VE, I just want to see where this goes)

On March 16 2013 11:56 DrParnassus wrote:
ah, well then no worries for now. nvm.

@hapa

basically if mocsta was the one who voted VE like that, it would have been a very suspicious post... if you take moc's final will into account.

On March 16 2013 14:01 TLCastingGolems wrote:
I can't keep up with this fucking thread.
So Dirk gets NKed huh?
I can't honestly fathom why the fuck mafia would do that when he was essentially a free mislynch apparently. Hopefully it just means they're going to end up out-thinking themselves in the end with fancy shit rather than us.

Anywho, not sheeping onto the OE train yet, until I can get some reads going.
Off the top of my head though:
I remember I wanted to mention something about Parnassus' last post before the flip, something about OH GOD PLEASE NO DONT LYNCH GOLEMS which seemed really fucking odd, and now he goes and votes himself for no apparent reason. Will be looking into this.

On March 16 2013 14:17 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote:


Wait. If you are town, why would you find someone hard defending you like that odd?



I'll get to your case in a bit (just found it, you posted it under WoS), but what part of anything here makes sense?

1) In no way do I think "everything falls apart" with Dirk flipping town. In fact I have two rather nice scumreads in ObviousEyes and yourself right now.
2) Explain to me how it makes sense to NK dirk in my position as hypothetical scum. I killed the only guy who was going to get lynched before me. Yeah. Sure.

Alright. But at the expense of real scumhunting? It's REAL easy to go after all the lurkers/perceived 'obvioius' scum targets. But now consider his own soft defense of himself:

Another soft defense here, this time of scumbudy, DirkHardpec:

While he once didn't mind our witty antics, look at how he begins to lose his patience with us now that we've begun to catch on.

Isn't the best kind of lying the kind where you tell the truth? Look at this:

He is right, of course. Dirk is scum and we are not. This gives him an easy way to slow-bus a teammate without looking directly scummy, especially since Dirk is doing a good job of bussing himself and is bound to be lynched anyway. If Newbie can eliminate all of the easy town lurkers (while likely sacrificing Dirk) the rest of the town would have found it very difficult to catch him if not for his own contradictions letting him down. Why defend someone saying you're not sure if they're scum yet and defend them in what basically amounts to the same breath?

Top scumread for now remains Newbie since he barely responded to my case on him, and despite the fact that he seems to think it all falls apart with Dirk flipping town, it doesn't quite, especially since the only reason scum has to NK Dirk in the first place is to fuck with us and our previous conceptions.

On March 16 2013 14:47 DrParnassus wrote:


i was high when i thought of the reasoning for my town read on him. it sounded amazingly perfect, as do all thoughts you have while high

On March 16 2013 14:51 TLCastingGolems wrote:
You'll have to excuse Wave. He hadn't spoken with me about our/my reads before making that post. He was operating under the assumption that reads were the same from the last time we spoke.

I agree with my other half's sentiment that I don't get why they would kill Dirk when he was more than likely being killed today.

However, I also recognize that much of my suspicion on Newbie was because I thought Dirk was scum (hence why I wanted to kill dirk first). This is under mental advisement.

I also made the post before night flip + Show Spoiler + that I am leaning towards ObliviousEyes scum. (assuming that wave missed it)

It's too late for me to make a good post right now, and I still need to catch up from being away for the evening, so I'll be around early-mid day tomorrow.

On March 16 2013 14:51 TLCastingGolems wrote:
You'll have to excuse Wave. He hadn't spoken with me about our/my reads before making that post. He was operating under the assumption that reads were the same from the last time we spoke.

I agree with my other half's sentiment that I don't get why they would kill Dirk when he was more than likely being killed today.

However, I also recognize that much of my suspicion on Newbie was because I thought Dirk was scum (hence why I wanted to kill dirk first). This is under mental advisement.
...

On March 16 2013 14:59 Promato wrote:
It would be a horrendously stupid thing for scum Golems to come in with an opinion contrary to the thread sentiment regarding VE at this time, but I've seen scum be worse with this kind of thing.

VE's screamfest reminds me of his play in LX (since that's the only game in which I've played with him), but I've also heard that him getting all emotional is typical of his play no matter what alignment? Probably null but I'm still definitely going to comb through before coming to any decisions.

On March 16 2013 15:14 FiveTouch wrote:
Also, rofl @ Hapa repeating my points about the case against them

For now I will fix my(/our) play and contribute in fewer, more meaningful amounts, because it is all we can muster right now.

On March 16 2013 15:33 TLCastingGolems wrote:
You're not going to get anything of the sort.
The whole point of this being a Hydra mafia game is that it's a two person TEAM against other two person TEAMS. I believe I pointed that out before. You're welcome to try and get your reads based on my posts v. Soniv's or marv's vs Keirathi's. But you'll have to take them with a grain of salt every time because there is always going to be collaboration.

That's the name of the game.

PS. It was more than a 'derp' moment and I'm not proud of it. I'm willing to accept that it looked scummy as all fuck and have you vote for us and move on and the help the rest of town that may not be completely fixated on us. Or you mislynch us anyway and maybe you can actually get something useful from it. There is no constructed bullshit; I'm saying what I feel and that's all there is to it.

On March 16 2013 15:38 TLCastingGolems wrote:
Quick.
QUICK!
I don't have a fucking clue. Soniv and I discussed OE a little but there's going to have to be more discussion (and way the fuck more re-reading of the thread on my part) before we come to any real conclusions. I'm honestly lost in this game trying to go on everything I know so far about TL mafia because this is completely different from any other game I've played, and you all are posting and reading based on you all knowing each other, which I do not.

On March 16 2013 15:53 TLCastingGolems wrote:
Alright, fair points I suppose. It's funny, but if you want to call the way we've been playing so far retreating into a shell, it arguably worked better for us than saying what I think, considering how much I fucking blew it.

I can't say for certain you'll get what you want tomorrow, but you'll get something at least.

On March 17 2013 01:00 Hapahauli wrote:


Is this a claim?

On March 17 2013 01:08 TLCastingGolems wrote:


Well, I had thought I wrote "town" instead of "blue", as I wasn't planning on claiming blue yet. Half asleep brains seems to have had different plans.

You could lynch us and find out for sure, as it's only on my word right now, but that wouldn't be very useful for you, now would it?

On March 17 2013 01:13 TLCastingGolems wrote:


Jailkeeper

On March 17 2013 02:29 TLCastingGolems wrote:
Any reactions to this Newbie?

+ Show Spoiler +

You're super active in pressuring me, but you don't respond when I promptly respond to your question.

On March 17 2013 02:41 TLCastingGolems wrote:


ಠ_ಠ

You haven't seemed shy at all up until this point. Why do you suddenly need to collaborate with hapa?



I leave people null if I think they have a chance of being scum. I don't know who the 2nd scum is, so I'm not just going to pick a name out of a hat to give to you right now.

-S4

On March 17 2013 02:29 TLCastingGolems wrote:
Any reactions to this Newbie?

+ Show Spoiler +

You're super active in pressuring me, but you don't respond when I promptly respond to your question.

On March 17 2013 02:19 TLCastingGolems wrote:


You can calm your tits asap.

tl;dr calm your tits


Current reads:
DrParn
FiveTouch
Moology
Newbie
Promato
OE

Parn and FiveTouch feel townie because of activity and reactions to different things.

Moo and Newbie I'm leaving null because I'm still not convinced they aren't scum. Newbie less so than Moo, he's been quite active, and the pressure on us I feel is more town motivated than scum jumping on a scummy player.

I've noticed that OE has actively avoided making recent reads on us. He always disappears when the focus turns to us. I really want to know what he thinks of us, etc.

Prom I've got nothing on. The case on OE certainly works in his favor, but this wouldn't be the first time scum bussed their teammates, especially when the score is 5-2 one cycle in.

-S4

On March 17 2013 02:29 TLCastingGolems wrote:
Any reactions to this Newbie?

+ Show Spoiler +

You're super active in pressuring me, but you don't respond when I promptly respond to your question.

On March 17 2013 05:08 TLCastingGolems wrote:
Alright let's see:
Regarding the blue claim, I thought Soniv did that on purpose because I figured it was a good way out of you guys mislynching us later in the day but no, he actually fucked that up and meant to write town.
As to your questions to be specifically:

1) Null. We don't really feel you as a townie. The pressure seems legit but you don't 'feel' right in our eyes, so we don't have a problem in pressuring aspects of you we find odd. Now the thing about the case on you is, while it contained largely associative points, it is still technically very easy for scum to throw suspicion onto us/other Dirk voters really easily by doing what they did. It just doesn't make a whole lot of sense that they killed him themselves rather than letting us mislynch. Doesn't make you scum, but doesn't make you town either.

Newbie less so than Moo, he's been quite active, and the pressure on us I feel is more town motivated than scum jumping on a scummy player.

2) What was I thinking? Not a hell of a lot. Posting without fully reading, and getting frustrated by our own lack of contribution combined with being generally very lost.

You say this:
...you're telling me gut reads aren't normal?

On March 17 2013 05:23 TLCastingGolems wrote:

We're in agreement here completely. The pressure seems normal but there's something about you we just don't like.
Sorry, bro.

As for my thinking, what exactly do you want? I could try to fabricate some bullshit reason as to what I was doing but honestly I just wanted to get something out there to try and contribute in a hurry and it backfired big time.

On March 17 2013 05:28 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote:


Ok, what about me do you not like? Give me a tangible reason. One of my posts, my attitude somewhere... anything.

On March 17 2013 05:30 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote:
To add to that, I don't mind it when someone gives a "gut-feeling" read normally, but it seems like you're giving them to dodge making any actual analysis. You've done so little post/behavior analysis on anyone this game. Hell it doesn't even seem like you've read my filter at all.

We didn't call him mafia? Lol.

VE's screamfest reminds me of his play in LX (since that's the only game in which I've played with him), but I've also heard that him getting all emotional is typical of his play no matter what alignment? Probably null but I'm still definitely going to comb through before coming to any decisions.

I've noticed that OE has actively avoided making recent reads on us. He always disappears when the focus turns to us. I really want to know what he thinks of us, etc.

So....WIFOM? Newbie rips into us like crazy and justly tears me apart for my shit, and that's the best you can do? Come on.
Town motivation seen here from Prom: 0.

Current reads:
DrParn
FiveTouch
Moology
Newbie
Promato
OE

On March 17 2013 07:31 Moology wrote:
EBWOP: Actually, he's done this twice now where his reads are not current but he doesn't seem to care. Once as you mentioned as he continued to pressure you after Dirk flipped town, and again now on Prom.

On March 16 2013 08:54 Moology wrote:
What the fuck...

##Vote: ObliviousEyes

With Dirk's death that really puts me off on calling Newbie scum. He should know that once Dirk is gone he's next in a lot of peoples minds. It doesn't make sense. OE looks like a good candidate and I'm starting to really want to hear from Golems again.

I thought even Mocsta touched on VE's town meta in his case. Personally I (omni) have never played with VE but I worked it out another way for scum VE to still make sense to me without meta, and that was determining that a mafia Newbie would never have made the NK on Dirk and therefore my previous suspicions had been wrong. Obviously wrong about Dirk, and through a town Dirk, probably wrong about Newbie. Rather than knowing how VE plays I tried to use process of elimination and found that I could not eliminate the possibility of a scum ObliviousEyes.

You as well seem town in my book because of the way the Dirk lynch was set up. I can't see you as being scum and basically lining yourself up to be lynched today to get rid of DIRK. If Prom hadn't got on VE's case and called him out / forced him to handle the pressure so poorly I think you would have the majority of votes right now competing with Golems instead of VE. For that reason you are also null - leaning town until the flip of VE.

(3) Newbies - You guys are becoming better town read.... BUT.. i get the feeling it is only hapa posting ??!?!?!??!

On March 17 2013 08:25 Moology wrote:

Thats a problem for me.

The issue I had with your play was
You were coming across townie to me

& iamp.. well. . lets just say he wasnt.

If now all you are doing is posting... well... i have concerns.

Thing is.. from what I am aware, you spew bullshit when scum; and im not seeing that. so i would still go with town; i just think its important that iamp posts as well.

Franky. i dont get two shits about judging the "hydra".. because..
Guys like me/Omni are here at different timezones (7.20am sunday here); I have to trust his reads are on the same page as me... Your completely avoiding this accountability.

On March 17 2013 08:46 FiveTouch wrote:

Haven't you figured out this isn't marv yet? Marv hasn't posted since like 8am this morning.

Anyways, I'm not particularly trying to defend yamato. I'm explaining my read because I feel it is damn good reasoning and if someone wants me to think about Promato maybe being scum, they need to have some equally good reasoning.

On March 17 2013 10:21 Hapahauli wrote:
I'm pretty confident that both will flip scum. While I hate to lynch based on information, in this situation it seems alright. Flipping ObviousEyes first is going to tell us a ton about Promato's alignment, which is good enough for me.

So....WIFOM? Newbie rips into us like crazy and justly tears me apart for my shit, and that's the best you can do? Come on.
Town motivation seen here from Prom: 0.

VE's screamfest reminds me of his play in LX (since that's the only game in which I've played with him), but I've also heard that him getting all emotional is typical of his play no matter what alignment? Probably null but I'm still definitely going to comb through before coming to any decisions.

I've noticed that OE has actively avoided making recent reads on us. He always disappears when the focus turns to us. I really want to know what he thinks of us, etc.

On March 17 2013 05:15 TLCastingGolems wrote:
I don't know why scum VE would avoid talking about us, the same as we have no idea why they shot Dirk last night. Scummy motivations bring about a lot of WIFOM.

VE has a lot to answer to/for anyway right now, best he answers himself.

So....WIFOM? Newbie rips into us like crazy and justly tears me apart for my shit, and that's the best you can do? Come on.
Town motivation seen here from Prom: 0.

On March 17 2013 11:14 TLCastingGolems wrote:


I find it difficult to believe that "it reminds you" of a game you were no part of.

Congrats, you found one of my 2 or 3 scum games ever. Moreover, that was about a year and a half ago. There is no meta there because I have no scum meta. Over the span of 3 years of playing with long breaks sporadically placed, I have played something other than VT so few times.

That game was interesting because Palmar rolled over D1 screwing us over. I also didn't have a second head to deal with (haven't ever hydrad before).

On March 17 2013 11:37 TLCastingGolems wrote:


I'm sorry?

It's not that I'm not standing by his case. I believe we are more likely to find scum in OE, but that doesn't mean I disagree with his case.

On March 17 2013 11:45 TLCastingGolems wrote:


*shrug* it's different playing as a hydra. My contribution level probably looks less than it feels because of how much me and him were collaborating early on.

You never answered me before, it might have been lost in my post. What do you think of Moology?

On March 17 2013 11:51 TLCastingGolems wrote:


Yes, he is one of my strongest town reads. That means I can't ask him questions? What the fuck?

On March 16 2013 07:41 ObliviousEyes wrote:
That's not the implication at all - I was saying that if you're town (as I suspect), then my reasoning for thinking people are scum should outweigh any kind of reasoning for thinking you're town. You're reading intent into my post (you are threatening me) that is not there. You're wrong.

You never commented on ANY of the content in my post. That IS suspicious, but if your read of me is genuine, it's at least understandable. That's why I asked if this shit is for fucking real - because I need to know if you're being fucking dumb or malicious. The fact that you're in here trying to justify that laughably bad post is evidence that it's the former. Now to determine if it's because you're town and actually think I'm scum, or if it's because you're scum trying to discredit me.

Fucking bullshit, I had you guys so firmly green before Prom. I am disappoint.

On March 17 2013 13:13 WaveofShadow wrote:

Already did, on Prom and then had to go out for the evening.
You didn't like it, and now choose to ignore it.
This will be different from any other case I pull out of my ass how?

Alright Newbie, give me some time as I'm going to have to read the entire thread over to avoid shitposting. I am only doing this because I feel it might finally get the thread moving in a direction other than directly towards us 24 hours a fucking day, and I don't want this town to lose. I'll try to hunt some fucking scum my way, fuck the hydra, because I doubt I could make us look worse at this point.

On March 18 2013 12:13 Promethelax wrote:


I'm sorry that catching scum was the only thing we contributed. I'll try to do better in the future.

+ Show Spoiler +

P

On March 18 2013 13:15 Moology wrote:

Well the game is solved.

castingGolems *are* most likely town. I dont expect scum framer + scum RB'r

So they are either scum goon fake claiming (plausible due to VE lynch, but unlikely)

or actual blue role (most likely).


I know my role.. and i know my interactions with ppl like FT/Dr.P went someway to divining all our alignments as town..
so that leaves you as the lowest hanging fruit; in short: I cant play along because I can't envisage a different scenario.

(moc)

On March 18 2013 13:26 Moology wrote:
What doesnt make sense? lets chat this out

On March 18 2013 13:33 Moology wrote:

I didnt say it was implausible, i said it was plausible but unlikely.

hmmm the framer is only goon IF a cop isnt present.. and that i have no idea about, havnt been looking for any roles.

all i know is promato had a cooked up theory at the start of the game for role claims due to named VT.
which VE jumped all over and supported (curiously enough).. thats highly suspect to me.

On March 18 2013 13:34 Promato wrote:


durrr durr VT means Vanilla Townie durrr

On March 18 2013 14:10 Moology wrote:

Regardless of what I think about you; that point can not be ignored.

On March 18 2013 14:30 TLCastingGolems wrote:

He's looking for an out, and it's up to you and the two other 'confirmed townies' if you want to give it to him tomorrow.
You all know what my plan is for tonight.

On March 16 2013 08:54 Moology wrote:
What the fuck...

##Vote: ObliviousEyes

With Dirk's death that really puts me off on calling Newbie scum. He should know that once Dirk is gone he's next in a lot of peoples minds. It doesn't make sense. OE looks like a good candidate and I'm starting to really want to hear from Golems again.

On March 18 2013 23:37 Promato wrote:
marv stop stealing my credit. (Yam's credit) I'm still putting him up for most improved player. You said one game wasn't enough ? How about three? He rocked scum in nomination, in duel and now here.

Yam was the first to post the case on VE and even when we aren't posting much we were going to get that lynch through. We're both loud enough when we need to be to lynch whomever needs to be lynched. Don't pretend like his fate was anything but sealed since our case on him.

Its cute how moo wants the credit too though, its so sweet how he wants to grow up to be me.

On March 18 2013 23:48 iamperfection wrote:

why are we waiting for omni again?? are you incapable for some reason