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On March 18 2013 13:33 Moology wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 13:27 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote:On March 18 2013 13:26 Moology wrote:On March 18 2013 13:21 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote:On March 18 2013 13:15 Moology wrote:On March 18 2013 13:08 Promato wrote:
Okay mocsta. I say we play a game. You pretend you know I am town and tell me who your next scumspect is. Explain why you suspect that person (hydra) and why they will look scummier after my green flip. In return I won't call you an idiot for the duration of this game. Well the game is solved. castingGolems *are* most likely town. I dont expect scum framer + scum RB'r So they are either scum goon fake claiming (plausible due to VE lynch, but unlikely) or actual blue role (most likely). I know my role.. and i know my interactions with ppl like FT/Dr.P went someway to divining all our alignments as town.. so that leaves you as the lowest hanging fruit; in short: I cant play along because I can't envisage a different scenario. (moc) Sense. This makes none. What doesnt make sense? lets chat this out Scum RB + Framer is a perfectly plausible setup. How is it unlikely? The Framer is effectively a goon if we don't have a cop. Also, how a mafia goon fake-claiming in their spot implausible? I didnt say it was implausible, i said it was plausible but unlikely. hmmm the framer is only goon IF a cop isnt present.. and that i have no idea about, havnt been looking for any roles. all i know is promato had a cooked up theory at the start of the game for role claims due to named VT. which VE jumped all over and supported (curiously enough).. thats highly suspect to me.
You claimed VT. You believe that Golems is Jailer.
Speaking of implausible setups, do you really believe that VT + Jailer + Cop is plausible?
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On March 18 2013 13:31 TLCastingGolems wrote:
Lol I'm pretty sure I read JK and Soniv and I got really excited that we weren't VT for once.
Whatever, if DrH can go an entire game (LX) without reading any of the fucking roles and still play, be town and look scummy as fuck for not reading, then I'm allowed to not remember/read the entirety of mine.
Either way, proof or not, this doesn't change what happens tonight.
Lol.. you're not at the level of Dr.H or Palmar
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On March 18 2013 13:33 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 13:33 Moology wrote:On March 18 2013 13:27 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote:On March 18 2013 13:26 Moology wrote:On March 18 2013 13:21 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote:On March 18 2013 13:15 Moology wrote:On March 18 2013 13:08 Promato wrote:
Okay mocsta. I say we play a game. You pretend you know I am town and tell me who your next scumspect is. Explain why you suspect that person (hydra) and why they will look scummier after my green flip. In return I won't call you an idiot for the duration of this game. Well the game is solved. castingGolems *are* most likely town. I dont expect scum framer + scum RB'r So they are either scum goon fake claiming (plausible due to VE lynch, but unlikely) or actual blue role (most likely). I know my role.. and i know my interactions with ppl like FT/Dr.P went someway to divining all our alignments as town.. so that leaves you as the lowest hanging fruit; in short: I cant play along because I can't envisage a different scenario. (moc) Sense. This makes none. What doesnt make sense? lets chat this out Scum RB + Framer is a perfectly plausible setup. How is it unlikely? The Framer is effectively a goon if we don't have a cop. Also, how a mafia goon fake-claiming in their spot implausible? I didnt say it was implausible, i said it was plausible but unlikely. hmmm the framer is only goon IF a cop isnt present.. and that i have no idea about, havnt been looking for any roles. all i know is promato had a cooked up theory at the start of the game for role claims due to named VT. which VE jumped all over and supported (curiously enough).. thats highly suspect to me. You claimed VT. You believe that Golems is Jailer. Speaking of implausible setups, do you really believe that VT + Jailer + Cop is plausible?
durrr durr VT means Vanilla Townie durrr
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Marshall Islands1474 Posts
On March 18 2013 13:31 TLCastingGolems wrote:
Lol I'm pretty sure I read JK and Soniv and I got really excited that we weren't VT for once.
Whatever, if DrH can go an entire game (LX) without reading any of the fucking roles and still play, be town and look scummy as fuck for not reading, then I'm allowed to not remember/read the entirety of mine.
Either way, proof or not, this doesn't change what happens tonight.
It doesn't work like that. Someone else being bad doesn't excuse you being bad.
I mean, by that logic, you could literally do ANYTHING and it would never point to you being scum or town. Or hell, even apply to outside the game. "Bonnie and Clyde got away with robbing banks for X years, so I can too!"
No.
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On March 18 2013 13:33 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 13:33 Moology wrote:On March 18 2013 13:27 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote:On March 18 2013 13:26 Moology wrote:On March 18 2013 13:21 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote:On March 18 2013 13:15 Moology wrote:On March 18 2013 13:08 Promato wrote:
Okay mocsta. I say we play a game. You pretend you know I am town and tell me who your next scumspect is. Explain why you suspect that person (hydra) and why they will look scummier after my green flip. In return I won't call you an idiot for the duration of this game. Well the game is solved. castingGolems *are* most likely town. I dont expect scum framer + scum RB'r So they are either scum goon fake claiming (plausible due to VE lynch, but unlikely) or actual blue role (most likely). I know my role.. and i know my interactions with ppl like FT/Dr.P went someway to divining all our alignments as town.. so that leaves you as the lowest hanging fruit; in short: I cant play along because I can't envisage a different scenario. (moc) Sense. This makes none. What doesnt make sense? lets chat this out Scum RB + Framer is a perfectly plausible setup. How is it unlikely? The Framer is effectively a goon if we don't have a cop. Also, how a mafia goon fake-claiming in their spot implausible? I didnt say it was implausible, i said it was plausible but unlikely. hmmm the framer is only goon IF a cop isnt present.. and that i have no idea about, havnt been looking for any roles. all i know is promato had a cooked up theory at the start of the game for role claims due to named VT. which VE jumped all over and supported (curiously enough).. thats highly suspect to me. You claimed VT. You believe that Golems is Jailer. Speaking of implausible setups, do you really believe that VT + Jailer + Cop is plausible?
i dont know how 9 player games are rolled? I am only familiar with C9++
I think jailer + cop is fuckn inbalanced though; so i would hope that doesnt role.. but if its true RNG it is possible.
Its not even clear the # of blue roles (OP says, 0, 1 or 2).. all i know is ima regular mr. vanilla
(moc)
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On March 18 2013 13:34 Promato wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 13:33 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote:On March 18 2013 13:33 Moology wrote:On March 18 2013 13:27 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote:On March 18 2013 13:26 Moology wrote:On March 18 2013 13:21 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote:On March 18 2013 13:15 Moology wrote:On March 18 2013 13:08 Promato wrote:
Okay mocsta. I say we play a game. You pretend you know I am town and tell me who your next scumspect is. Explain why you suspect that person (hydra) and why they will look scummier after my green flip. In return I won't call you an idiot for the duration of this game. Well the game is solved. castingGolems *are* most likely town. I dont expect scum framer + scum RB'r So they are either scum goon fake claiming (plausible due to VE lynch, but unlikely) or actual blue role (most likely). I know my role.. and i know my interactions with ppl like FT/Dr.P went someway to divining all our alignments as town.. so that leaves you as the lowest hanging fruit; in short: I cant play along because I can't envisage a different scenario. (moc) Sense. This makes none. What doesnt make sense? lets chat this out Scum RB + Framer is a perfectly plausible setup. How is it unlikely? The Framer is effectively a goon if we don't have a cop. Also, how a mafia goon fake-claiming in their spot implausible? I didnt say it was implausible, i said it was plausible but unlikely. hmmm the framer is only goon IF a cop isnt present.. and that i have no idea about, havnt been looking for any roles. all i know is promato had a cooked up theory at the start of the game for role claims due to named VT. which VE jumped all over and supported (curiously enough).. thats highly suspect to me. You claimed VT. You believe that Golems is Jailer. Speaking of implausible setups, do you really believe that VT + Jailer + Cop is plausible? durrr durr VT means Vanilla Townie durrr
Oh fuck me I thought he meant named VT.
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On March 18 2013 13:33 Moology wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 13:31 TLCastingGolems wrote:
Lol I'm pretty sure I read JK and Soniv and I got really excited that we weren't VT for once.
Whatever, if DrH can go an entire game (LX) without reading any of the fucking roles and still play, be town and look scummy as fuck for not reading, then I'm allowed to not remember/read the entirety of mine.
Either way, proof or not, this doesn't change what happens tonight. Lol.. you're not at the level of Dr.H or Palmar
Fuck you. I don't see how vet status makes people immune to playing like shit. Once again you're welcome to continue to suspect us based on the fact that I haven't looked at my role PM since I first got it, but that doesn't change shit. You or Prom are getting JKed tonight.
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lol goddamn. everyone go smoke a blunt ffs
/thrawn
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Marshall Islands1474 Posts
Anyways, Promato is still the strongest of my town reads between Prom/Moology/Golems.
Everyone seems to not like my reasoning, but I went back and looked through a few of Yamato/Prom's scum games. I never saw anything similar to yamato's un-provoked read swap. And, on top of that, marv and I together (with something like 40+ games of experience between us) can remember a single instance of a scum reach change like that for absolutely no reason. Much less in the face of EXTRA reasoning. Combine that with pushing a damn good reason that VE was scum, and I just don't see it.
I'll talk with marv more about it tomorrow before the deadline, though.
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On March 18 2013 13:45 DrParnassus wrote:
lol goddamn. everyone go smoke a blunt ffs
/thrawn
Cant
@ work
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On March 18 2013 13:46 FiveTouch wrote:
Anyways, Promato is still the strongest of my town reads between Prom/Moology/Golems.
Everyone seems to not like my reasoning, but I went back and looked through a few of Yamato/Prom's scum games. I never saw anything similar to yamato's un-provoked read swap. And, on top of that, marv and I together (with something like 40+ games of experience between us) can remember a single instance of a scum reach change like that for absolutely no reason. Much less in the face of EXTRA reasoning. Combine that with pushing a damn good reason that VE was scum, and I just don't see it.
I'll talk with marv more about it tomorrow before the deadline, though.
Sure but i dont think u guys give yourself enough credit for the fear you could invoke in scum.
I mean think about it.. scum woulda knoew hardpec were town; so 2 supervet teams are town against VE; how does it make sense for balance for VE/OO to be paired with another newbie-ish team like casting or moology?
Prome/VE at least offers some threat to palmar/marv
(moc)
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On March 18 2013 13:46 FiveTouch wrote:
EBWOP: can't*
EBWOP
can not
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Artanis and I have talked about hosting multiple times. He uses a true rng. Do not set-up speculate based on that.
Golems: not reading the op is very different from not reading your own role pm. Don't equate one with the other.
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On March 18 2013 13:48 Moology wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 13:46 FiveTouch wrote:
Anyways, Promato is still the strongest of my town reads between Prom/Moology/Golems.
Everyone seems to not like my reasoning, but I went back and looked through a few of Yamato/Prom's scum games. I never saw anything similar to yamato's un-provoked read swap. And, on top of that, marv and I together (with something like 40+ games of experience between us) can remember a single instance of a scum reach change like that for absolutely no reason. Much less in the face of EXTRA reasoning. Combine that with pushing a damn good reason that VE was scum, and I just don't see it.
I'll talk with marv more about it tomorrow before the deadline, though. Sure but i dont think u guys give yourself enough credit for the fear you could invoke in scum. I mean think about it.. scum woulda knoew hardpec were town; so 2 supervet teams are town against VE; how does it make sense for balance for VE/OO to be paired with another newbie-ish team like casting or moology? Prome/VE at least offers some threat to palmar/marv (moc)
That's idiotic reasoning and I will never make a read based on that.
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And considering they threw darts.....
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On March 18 2013 13:53 Promato wrote:
Golems: not reading the op is very different from not reading your own role pm. Don't equate one with the other.
Regardless of what I think about you; that point can not be ignored.
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On March 18 2013 14:10 Moology wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 13:53 Promato wrote:
Golems: not reading the op is very different from not reading your own role pm. Don't equate one with the other. Regardless of what I think about you; that point can not be ignored.
Sooo... what exactly is your stance on Casters now?
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On March 18 2013 14:24 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 14:10 Moology wrote:On March 18 2013 13:53 Promato wrote:
Golems: not reading the op is very different from not reading your own role pm. Don't equate one with the other. Regardless of what I think about you; that point can not be ignored. Sooo... what exactly is your stance on Casters now?
He's looking for an out, and it's up to you and the two other 'confirmed townies' if you want to give it to him tomorrow.
You all know what my plan is for tonight.
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Marshall Islands1474 Posts
So, Moology.
I want you to walk me through your sudden scum read of VE. I'm looking back through your filter, and you didn't mention VE even once until your "last will" post, and then it was just a "meh, he's not being very active".
But the Dirk flip suddenly painted a big read target onto VE for you. Why exactly? You said that a newbie wouldn't have killed Dirk, so it was probably one of the more "vet'ish" players. So, why not me/marv, whom you had actually been suspcious throughout the day? Hell, looking back, I don't even see any reason that you dropped the suspicion of us. The only thing I can think of is that thread sentiment started painting us as town, so you quit pursuing your suspicions.
But, there's still Hapa too. Why wouldn't Hapa/iamp have made that kill? They've both been around TL for 8-9 months and are quite familiar with Palmar/bugs. Or hell, even Soniv (who, while IMO is not the best player around, he's still been around for a very long time and should know the reputations of bugs/palmar/marv/ve etc)?
Basically, you're reasoning is bad because there aren't really very many "newbies" in this game. Your team is by far the newest players, and maybe Thrawn/Oats being second. But even thrawn has been around in a while.
So explain why that single event suddenly made VE 100% scum instead of anyone else?
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