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On March 17 2013 14:25 FiveTouch wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 14:15 TLCastingGolems wrote:
Alright, I've tried. Newbie your scumhunting is relentless, to the point of absolute obstinacy towards us, yet you flip off of Promato directly after calling him scum once Yamato brings up his only solid case all game is worrisome. You appear to be so good at digging through old games, filters and posts to find exactly what you need, and much of is legitimately good, but simply the fact that you appear to be so bullishly opposed to the idea that we are town since basically THE BEGINNING OF THE GAME when you first got annoyed with our style just doesn't allow me to view you as town yet.
You are null to me, leaning town because there are a lot of things in your filter that honestly seem like too much effort to go through if you were scum. You're constantly pressuring in places that require pressure at many right points in time, yet you also devote much of your time to discussing lurkers like us, WittyHydraName and Dirk, all of which are town. There is too much dichotomy to give me a clear town read.
Now, is it POSSIBLE to entertain the discussion elsewhere so that I may feel like I can contribute positively rather than continue to defend myself to no end? Fuck, lynch us after OE if you must but at least try to consider other points of you so that you might fucking LEARN something when we die. So why do you have a town read on me if I've done everything you just said keeps you from giving a town read to ObsQT? What is different about us?
FiveTouch, you're completely different from how Newbie has been playing this game. You're not afraid to direct suspicion anywhere and everywhere and you are much more open to suggestion. You're also often the first person to call a lot of people out on their bullshit, including us, yet are not so quick to tunnel a read. You, in my opinion, added more to the case against OE than Prom did after he built it. I'm not a fan of your unilateral support of Prom right now, but it makes sense to me in a way.
If through some miracle OE flips town I think you and Prom are right fucked, but I don't see that happening.
Yamato, thoughts on the recent suspicion that has been directed towards you? DrParnassus makes a good point in that you didn't follow up against me/us, and apparently you feel you had the game solved already.
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Uh... what Prom? Could you actually go and read where you get mentioned by me and explain how I'm so focused on you. Damn straight I'm keeping you open as possible scum though. You want a free pass for saying "Meta-read on OE" and him going afk for the next 24 hours? Golems raised a very good point otherwise I wouldn't have considered you to be possible scum depending on OE's flip. He just made me realize why I would have been wrong to do that.
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Marshall Islands1474 Posts
On March 17 2013 14:41 DrParnassus wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 14:38 Promato wrote:
Also, do you disagree with how I've laid out the game?
From the last few pages, it's gotten pretty obvious. yeah i do actually. I strongly disagree with FT being in the possible-scum group. You played in dueling mafia, you should know that this keir is not the same mild-mannered scum keir from dueling.You've put golems as maybe town, and mocsta as prob scum. What happened to you "catching another one" in golems? And why moology? I need a case for that moology scumread.
I'm all for people giving me townreads, but not for terrible reasons. My play in Dueling had much more to do with just flat not having time. But, even more important, I have another scum game that is viewable in my history and has a much different playstyle.
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and I 100% stand by my statement about policy voting you D3 until prom starts posting. I didn't read that most recent scum game of his, but I heard about it on the podcast. Seems like scum prom wouldn't be toooo difficult to catch, so he needs to get his ass in here asap
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On March 17 2013 14:41 DrParnassus wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 14:38 Promato wrote:
Also, do you disagree with how I've laid out the game?
From the last few pages, it's gotten pretty obvious. yeah i do actually. I strongly disagree with FT being in the possible-scum group. You played in dueling mafia, you should know that this keir is not the same mild-mannered scum keir from dueling. You've put golems as maybe town, and mocsta as prob scum. What happened to you "catching another one" in golems? And why moology? I need a case for that moology scumread.
I specifically mentioned Keirathi as the reason I think they're probably town out of the three, so don't nitpick unnecessarily.
My "catching another one" comment was in general, not specifically aimed at Golems. They did initially look bad, but as you can see from my filter, I was not sold on them being mafia from the beginning.
If I need to I'll make my case on Moo in time. There's no reason to do all of that before the VE/OO flip. Believe me, you'll know when I'm certain.
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On March 17 2013 14:44 DrParnassus wrote:
and I 100% stand by my statement about policy voting you D3 until prom starts posting. I didn't read that most recent scum game of his, but I heard about it on the podcast. Seems like scum prom wouldn't be toooo difficult to catch, so he needs to get his ass in here asap
That's stupid.
Judge us by our combined play. Am I really that difficult to read? Am I hard to catch as mafia?
Don't be silly and waste your vote. Use your head. Scum is MOST LIKELY in the group I mentioned. People keeping me in the group are doing so unnecessarily.
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On March 17 2013 14:44 FiveTouch wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 14:41 DrParnassus wrote:On March 17 2013 14:38 Promato wrote:
Also, do you disagree with how I've laid out the game?
From the last few pages, it's gotten pretty obvious. yeah i do actually. I strongly disagree with FT being in the possible-scum group. You played in dueling mafia, you should know that this keir is not the same mild-mannered scum keir from dueling.You've put golems as maybe town, and mocsta as prob scum. What happened to you "catching another one" in golems? And why moology? I need a case for that moology scumread. I'm all for people giving me townreads, but not for terrible reasons. My play in Dueling had much more to do with just flat not having time. But, even more important, I have another scum game that is viewable in my history and has a much different playstyle.
eh. the difference is so extreme that i'm willing to stand by that reasoning. i'm not thinking about post quantity, but just things like word usage, mannerisms.... how you talk to your scum reads.... shit like that.
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On March 17 2013 14:47 Promato wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 14:44 DrParnassus wrote:
and I 100% stand by my statement about policy voting you D3 until prom starts posting. I didn't read that most recent scum game of his, but I heard about it on the podcast. Seems like scum prom wouldn't be toooo difficult to catch, so he needs to get his ass in here asap That's stupid. Judge us by our combined play. Am I really that difficult to read? Am I hard to catch as mafia? Don't be silly and waste your vote. Use your head. Scum is MOST LIKELY in the group I mentioned. People keeping me in the group are doing so unnecessarily.
Is it too much to ask that prom show his face? All I said was that prom has to start posting. It's not an intention to lynch, unless prom fails to play the game. I think that's perfectly reasonable.
Can you tell me anything about his thoughts on the game? Does he disagree with you about anything?
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On March 17 2013 14:50 DrParnassus wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 14:47 Promato wrote:On March 17 2013 14:44 DrParnassus wrote:
and I 100% stand by my statement about policy voting you D3 until prom starts posting. I didn't read that most recent scum game of his, but I heard about it on the podcast. Seems like scum prom wouldn't be toooo difficult to catch, so he needs to get his ass in here asap That's stupid. Judge us by our combined play. Am I really that difficult to read? Am I hard to catch as mafia? Don't be silly and waste your vote. Use your head. Scum is MOST LIKELY in the group I mentioned. People keeping me in the group are doing so unnecessarily. Is it too much to ask that prom show his face? All I said was that prom has to start posting. It's not an intention to lynch, unless prom fails to play the game. I think that's perfectly reasonable. Can you tell me anything about his thoughts on the game? Does he disagree with you about anything?
All he said was that the NK makes Marv look bad, but to make sure we lynch VE today.
Seems he's happy about me catching VE from his posts in the thread and is just as confident as I am.
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On March 17 2013 14:52 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 14:50 DrParnassus wrote:On March 17 2013 14:47 Promato wrote:On March 17 2013 14:44 DrParnassus wrote:
and I 100% stand by my statement about policy voting you D3 until prom starts posting. I didn't read that most recent scum game of his, but I heard about it on the podcast. Seems like scum prom wouldn't be toooo difficult to catch, so he needs to get his ass in here asap That's stupid. Judge us by our combined play. Am I really that difficult to read? Am I hard to catch as mafia? Don't be silly and waste your vote. Use your head. Scum is MOST LIKELY in the group I mentioned. People keeping me in the group are doing so unnecessarily. Is it too much to ask that prom show his face? All I said was that prom has to start posting. It's not an intention to lynch, unless prom fails to play the game. I think that's perfectly reasonable. Can you tell me anything about his thoughts on the game? Does he disagree with you about anything? All he said was that the NK makes Marv look bad, but to make sure we lynch VE today. Seems he's happy about me catching VE from his posts in the thread and is just as confident as I am.
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Marshall Islands1474 Posts
On March 17 2013 14:48 DrParnassus wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 14:44 FiveTouch wrote:On March 17 2013 14:41 DrParnassus wrote:On March 17 2013 14:38 Promato wrote:
Also, do you disagree with how I've laid out the game?
From the last few pages, it's gotten pretty obvious. yeah i do actually. I strongly disagree with FT being in the possible-scum group. You played in dueling mafia, you should know that this keir is not the same mild-mannered scum keir from dueling.You've put golems as maybe town, and mocsta as prob scum. What happened to you "catching another one" in golems? And why moology? I need a case for that moology scumread. I'm all for people giving me townreads, but not for terrible reasons. My play in Dueling had much more to do with just flat not having time. But, even more important, I have another scum game that is viewable in my history and has a much different playstyle. eh. the difference is so extreme that i'm willing to stand by that reasoning. i'm not thinking about post quantity, but just things like word usage, mannerisms.... how you talk to your scum reads.... shit like that.
Right. My point was, did you compare my town play to my GSL 1 scum play, or just my Big Enough scum play? Because they are extremely different.
(To be perfectly fair, my GSL 1 scum play is still different than my *recent* town play, just because I've gotten more confident/arrogant/comfortable around TL. But, my current town play is quite different from my other town play around the time of GSL 1 too  )
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On March 17 2013 15:02 FiveTouch wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 14:48 DrParnassus wrote:On March 17 2013 14:44 FiveTouch wrote:On March 17 2013 14:41 DrParnassus wrote:On March 17 2013 14:38 Promato wrote:
Also, do you disagree with how I've laid out the game?
From the last few pages, it's gotten pretty obvious. yeah i do actually. I strongly disagree with FT being in the possible-scum group. You played in dueling mafia, you should know that this keir is not the same mild-mannered scum keir from dueling.You've put golems as maybe town, and mocsta as prob scum. What happened to you "catching another one" in golems? And why moology? I need a case for that moology scumread. I'm all for people giving me townreads, but not for terrible reasons. My play in Dueling had much more to do with just flat not having time. But, even more important, I have another scum game that is viewable in my history and has a much different playstyle. eh. the difference is so extreme that i'm willing to stand by that reasoning. i'm not thinking about post quantity, but just things like word usage, mannerisms.... how you talk to your scum reads.... shit like that. Right. My point was, did you compare my town play to my GSL 1 scum play, or just my Big Enough scum play? Because they are extremely different. (To be perfectly fair, my GSL 1 scum play is still different than my *recent* town play, just because I've gotten more confident/arrogant/comfortable around TL. But, my current town play is quite different from my other town play around the time of GSL 1 too )
asdkgasldgn
there are other reasons for my read, and i've given them (things like you and hapa being two people who have lept scumhunting and are being open to all possibilities without being pressured to do so)
this convo is kinda dumb (we're arguing about how i shouldn't have such a strong town read on you) and i don't really care to expound upon why I feel that you're town atm.
tldr: lol
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Marshall Islands1474 Posts
On March 17 2013 15:25 DrParnassus wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 15:02 FiveTouch wrote:On March 17 2013 14:48 DrParnassus wrote:On March 17 2013 14:44 FiveTouch wrote:On March 17 2013 14:41 DrParnassus wrote:On March 17 2013 14:38 Promato wrote:
Also, do you disagree with how I've laid out the game?
From the last few pages, it's gotten pretty obvious. yeah i do actually. I strongly disagree with FT being in the possible-scum group. You played in dueling mafia, you should know that this keir is not the same mild-mannered scum keir from dueling.You've put golems as maybe town, and mocsta as prob scum. What happened to you "catching another one" in golems? And why moology? I need a case for that moology scumread. I'm all for people giving me townreads, but not for terrible reasons. My play in Dueling had much more to do with just flat not having time. But, even more important, I have another scum game that is viewable in my history and has a much different playstyle. eh. the difference is so extreme that i'm willing to stand by that reasoning. i'm not thinking about post quantity, but just things like word usage, mannerisms.... how you talk to your scum reads.... shit like that. Right. My point was, did you compare my town play to my GSL 1 scum play, or just my Big Enough scum play? Because they are extremely different. (To be perfectly fair, my GSL 1 scum play is still different than my *recent* town play, just because I've gotten more confident/arrogant/comfortable around TL. But, my current town play is quite different from my other town play around the time of GSL 1 too ) asdkgasldgn there are other reasons for my read, and i've given them (things like you and hapa being two people who have lept scumhunting and are being open to all possibilities without being pressured to do so) this convo is kinda dumb (we're arguing about how i shouldn't have such a strong town read on you) and i don't really care to expound upon why I feel that you're town atm. tldr: lol
We're having this conversation because I've caught a couple scum in the past for giving me bullshit town reads
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And to the point about looking at your earlier scum games, I did do that during dueling mafia. I came to the conclusion that they happened so long ago (with lots of town games since) that i wasn't confident that they were good samples to use in a meta case.
and with that, i'm done for tonight unless anything interesting happens
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Quickly reading through the thread, I am getting annoyed.
In particular, Moology getting called out for low activity as if that makes me scum.
My meta = high activity regardless of alignment. My activity is low in both my games cos im simply busy in real life (did you forget: Heart of the Swarm was released??) and im finding most people in both my games are no present when I am present (which is the biggest constraint).
I already said numerous times in the thread, including pre-game: in general, i just dont have much time for this game and was relying on Omni to do a lot of the leg work, and the fucker has a house willed with infested terrans..
Im trying my best to put some more time into the game; but fact is, both of us were content with where our vote was 15min into this cycle. i.e. ObliviousEyes. Their followup has caused us no reason to doubt the validity of the vote either.
Moology have been transparent and forthcoming with our reads in each cycle: so I find it total bullshit we getting called out for not participating in every single convo.
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Guys.
How well does Keir play scum? Not very well right?
How well does Hapa play scum? Not very well right?
Ok so FT and Newbie are both town.
Good.
ObliviousEyes has been COMPLETELY ABSENT.
Lynch away.
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Holy crap, looks like Wave decided to show up.
I unfortunately won't be available most of the day. I've got my final home gymnastics meet, and then Wave and I are scheduled to cast at 5 eastern time. Not sure if I'll be available at lynch time.
However, I'm completely on board with Wave's case on Prom. I still think that OE should die first for obvious reasons, but Prom should be next.
It's interesting that as soon as he's called out and a case is made on him, Promato shows up. The entire first half of this day was devoted to shit being thrown at Wave and I. And yet Prom has us null leaning town? Why did he wait until he was in the spotlight to say anything? He's clearly been here and following because he posted right away. I smell some bullshit.
-S4
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Vote Count:
ObliviousEyes (5): Promato, FiveTouch, Moology, TLCastingGolems, NewbieXXXI_ObsQT
Promato (1): ObliviousEyes
DrParnassus (1): DrParnassus
Currently, ObliviousEyes is set to be lynched!
~8 hours left until the deadline.
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ObliviousEyes (5): Promato, NewbieXXXI_ObsQT, FiveTouch, Moology, NewbieXXXI_ObsQT, TLCastingGolems, NewbieXXXI_ObsQT
DrParnassus (1): DrParnassus, DrParnassus
TLCastingGolems (0): DrParnassus, NewbieXXXI_ObsQT, DrParnassus
Promato (1): ObliviousEyes, DrParnassus
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Ohai. Slow day today. Forgot to mention that I'm traveling all day, so I likely won't be back until late tonight post-deadline. OE = good lynch
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