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On March 16 2013 07:41 ObliviousEyes wrote:
That's not the implication at all - I was saying that if you're town (as I suspect), then my reasoning for thinking people are scum should outweigh any kind of reasoning for thinking you're town. You're reading intent into my post (you are threatening me) that is not there. You're wrong.
You never commented on ANY of the content in my post. That IS suspicious, but if your read of me is genuine, it's at least understandable. That's why I asked if this shit is for fucking real - because I need to know if you're being fucking dumb or malicious. The fact that you're in here trying to justify that laughably bad post is evidence that it's the former. Now to determine if it's because you're town and actually think I'm scum, or if it's because you're scum trying to discredit me.
Fucking bullshit, I had you guys so firmly green before Prom. I am disappoint.
this was the last post by ve correct everything after was obvious from my understanding right?
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also the two man power trip that is me and hapa will be killing ve no matter what by the way he scum yo.
## unvote
## vote obliviouseyes
at least the casters are somewhat talking so maybe we will see something from them but i still think their orginal scum read on us was bs and pre scripted. but ve dont care about town because he is scum so he should die.
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On March 17 2013 13:13 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 13:01 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote:
And listen, I'm not even asking for much.
All I've been asking for the last 24 hours is for either of you to go and give me some analysis. Your filter is devoid of any scumhunting. I'm giving you plenty of time to rectify that, and neither of you are willing to put a mediocum of effort towards building a case.
Getting reads out of either of you is like pulling teeth. Do something FFS. Already did, on Prom and then had to go out for the evening. You didn't like it, and now choose to ignore it. This will be different from any other case I pull out of my ass how?
Well see your entire idea of a Promato/OE scumteam makes no sense... ya know? I've asked you several times to address the fact that Yamato was the first guy to go after OE (and did so hard), yet I've never gotten an answer from either of you.
...and that's it.
Alright Newbie, give me some time as I'm going to have to read the entire thread over to avoid shitposting. I am only doing this because I feel it might finally get the thread moving in a direction other than directly towards us 24 hours a fucking day, and I don't want this town to lose. I'll try to hunt some fucking scum my way, fuck the hydra, because I doubt I could make us look worse at this point.
Yep - work at your own pace. You'll likely not be lynched this cycle anyway with how VE is playing this out, so come back tomorrow with the best you got.
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Alright I read through both OE's and Prom's filters and all I saw honestly was them flinging shit back and forth at each other.
The biggest problem I see here with trying to get a solid read on Prom is it requires me to know metas once again. Yamato calling VE out for meta in Nomination mafia is going to be impossible for me to determine one way or another (I've tried to research backwards through past mafia games I wasn't involved in before. It's too much for me, or I need some fucking lessons or something.) and that's basically ALL his entire case is based on. If he's wrong then how could I prove this?
Obvious simple logic states that in a 2-mafia setup you're not going to see a double-bus but re-reading through both of their filters, and knowing ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about meta like I do, Prom honestly seems scummier than OE to me. I trust Soniv (and I'm TRYING to trust the rest of town, but fuck all of you) with his read on OE but looking back, I'm not sure I agree anymore. OE's defenses are much more put-together and Prom is generally content to fling shit and sit back and watch, without pushing further with more information since his initial case took hold. My vote will remain on OE because as a HYDRA TEAM that is what we agreed upon but as Soniv has gone to bed, we can't discuss it until tomorrow. If this post somehow fucks us even worse and he gets mad at me again, well fuck him because you assholes forced my hand.
If this is a double-bus going down (note that both Prom and OE have had similar reads on other people throughout the game until turning on each other) I will forever consider myself the best alive. There are a lot of things about it that make sense, again albeit unlikely. If I'm wrong (likely to be so) then I'll continue to be the idiot you guys know and hate.
Explanation of gut-read on Newbie inc.
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yes, more stuff like that please
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##Vote:DrParnassus
Actually, the idea of promato/OO scumteam has crossed my mind. If those two are scum, it would be an excellent ploy. It's worrying that prom isn't playing the game at all, and the only significant thing yamato has done was pushing the case on VE.
I am intrigued, and for once you are posting shit that looks like actual reads, so pls continue. You're still leagues and leagues ahead of promato/moology in terms of how much I want to lynch you (those two are the only players apart from you and VE that I can imagine being scum) but that last post, if you're town, was a step in the right direction.
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Alright, I've tried. Newbie your scumhunting is relentless, to the point of absolute obstinacy towards us, yet you flip off of Promato directly after calling him scum once Yamato brings up his only solid case all game is worrisome. You appear to be so good at digging through old games, filters and posts to find exactly what you need, and much of is legitimately good, but simply the fact that you appear to be so bullishly opposed to the idea that we are town since basically THE BEGINNING OF THE GAME when you first got annoyed with our style just doesn't allow me to view you as town yet.
You are null to me, leaning town because there are a lot of things in your filter that honestly seem like too much effort to go through if you were scum. You're constantly pressuring in places that require pressure at many right points in time, yet you also devote much of your time to discussing lurkers like us, WittyHydraName and Dirk, all of which are town. There is too much dichotomy to give me a clear town read.
Now, is it POSSIBLE to entertain the discussion elsewhere so that I may feel like I can contribute positively rather than continue to defend myself to no end? Fuck, lynch us after OE if you must but at least try to consider other points of you so that you might fucking LEARN something when we die.
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Yeah basically I hate lurkers. A lot.
Aaaanyway that last post was good. I'm going to let you do more of that, and I won't be attacking you at all for the next 24 hours. Perhaps a question or two if I need clarification or something, but you seem like you are willing to put in the time to scumhunt and I won't interfere with that.
The floor is yours tomorrow, and I want to see where you take it.
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doubles busses are awesome by the way
this witty remark brought to you by iamp
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hapa, you think there is a chance that promato is scum?
imo the only possible 2nd scum candidate HAS to come from the golem/promato/moology group.
There are things about all of them that make me unable to give them a 100% town read. Golem, for obvious reasons. For moology, it's how lazy he's been this cycle. For promato, it's how lazy he's been throughout the whole game in regards to everything except his case on VE.... and I've heard how much VE loves to setup insane busses.... hmmmm
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On March 17 2013 14:15 TLCastingGolems wrote:
Alright, I've tried. Newbie your scumhunting is relentless, to the point of absolute obstinacy towards us, yet you flip off of Promato directly after calling him scum once Yamato brings up his only solid case all game is worrisome. You appear to be so good at digging through old games, filters and posts to find exactly what you need, and much of is legitimately good, but simply the fact that you appear to be so bullishly opposed to the idea that we are town since basically THE BEGINNING OF THE GAME when you first got annoyed with our style just doesn't allow me to view you as town yet.
You are null to me, leaning town because there are a lot of things in your filter that honestly seem like too much effort to go through if you were scum. You're constantly pressuring in places that require pressure at many right points in time, yet you also devote much of your time to discussing lurkers like us, WittyHydraName and Dirk, all of which are town. There is too much dichotomy to give me a clear town read.
Now, is it POSSIBLE to entertain the discussion elsewhere so that I may feel like I can contribute positively rather than continue to defend myself to no end? Fuck, lynch us after OE if you must but at least try to consider other points of you so that you might fucking LEARN something when we die.
So why do you have a town read on me if I've done everything you just said keeps you from giving a town read to ObsQT? What is different about us?
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hmm... you bring up a really good point with Prom Golems.
I'm going through his filter again as well and other than him exposing OE there really isn't anything else worth noting. There's a lot of nothing in his last page other than attacking other players.
I mean even his contribution to the VE lynch isn't a lot outside of a meta read. It doesn't seem like it took a lot of effort from Prom to catch him. Especially considering he's barely been playing the game.
+ Show Spoiler +On March 17 2013 05:26 Promato wrote:
lol, this is bullshit.
I was the first one to nail VE as mafia.
I have subsequently waited to see what people do in repsonse to this.
Only you have done anything that isn't call him mafia, which is either the dumbest move in the thread, or a sign that you're just bad town.
The thing I have to consider is; would mafia bus VE here or not? My instinct says yes, but you coming in here and accusing me over sitting back and watching today is bullshit. I caught one mafia, and I'm in the process of catching another.
It's also good to have confidence in your reads but while we are still discussing scum OE he seems to know what alignment OE will be when they flip without a doubt. I mean when I read through OE's filter I think he's scum because all of their "cases" are summaries with no real opinions. They don't seem to discuss how to catch scum at all or try to really figure anything out that would help town. OE is scummy for a lot of reasons but Prom doesn't really address that.
Prom just says meta read! OE scum! after ignoring them up to that point and while lurking. Basically "VE looks scummy, what does everybody else think about my observation?"
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yeah, I think I'm gonna start D3 off with a policy vote on promato until prom (specifically prom) starts playing the game
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well fuck this promato suspicion sure blew up real quick lol. hopefully it'll make them come back to the thread
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It doesn't take much effort to catch mafia this game.
VE's buddy is one of FT, Moo, or TLCG.
I don't think that Marv would come out agreeing with me to lynch his scum buddy so quickly, but the possibility exists. Keir is the reason I think this head is townish, so that's all I have to think about.
TLCG coming out with a null read is not something I would expect mafia to do here, nor is the botched blue claim that seems messy. Mafia play is planned, clean; this seems townish in that it just kinda happened. This coupled with their willingness to argue about this stuff today makes me think they are more likely town than mafia.
Moo weakly bussed VE and has since talked a lot about me, specifically trying to keep me open as a viable scum read. If I had to guess, this head is the other mafia. He is hardly involved in these discussions, and while he's voting VE, most of his discussion has been about me.
There are few things that might change my position on these things but I won't talk about them because I don't want to affect how this thread is developing. As it stands, it is obvious to me that Parnassus and Newbie are both supertown, and they are doing plenty good creating the kinds of posts from these players that I need to analyse.
If people have doubts about my personal alignment, I don't really care. This game is nearly solved.
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Assuming that VE does flip scum, there is basically no way I would vote for Promato tomorrow barring some insane new evidence. I would reconsider them in LYLO, but before then I just am not interested in lynching them at all.
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and who is that? prom or yams?
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This is Yamato right now.
Prom is afk even in our QT for over a day. I'm not worried, because he echoes these same sentiments when we do talk.
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Also, do you disagree with how I've laid out the game?
From the last few pages, it's gotten pretty obvious.
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On March 17 2013 14:38 Promato wrote:
Also, do you disagree with how I've laid out the game?
From the last few pages, it's gotten pretty obvious.
yeah i do actually.
I strongly disagree with FT being in the possible-scum group. You played in dueling mafia, you should know that this keir is not the same mild-mannered scum keir from dueling.
You've put golems as maybe town, and mocsta as prob scum. What happened to you "catching another one" in golems? And why moology? I need a case for that moology scumread.
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