my case too good. yo.

i feel this game should be at least partially solveable given what we know and stuff. I'll actually read the thread and get back to you guys once i've thought about it and talked to kei.

The jailkeeper claim is really really dodgy.

NewbieXXXI_ObsQT

183 Posts

March 18 2013 00:00 GMT

#943

Yaaaaaay

Anyway food for thought: we have 2 mislynches left normally, but we can game the Jailkeeper claim (regardless of whether it's true or not) to give us a 3rd if we need it. This is how it would work:

Tonight, Golems "JK's" Moology. If there's an NK, Moology (or yamato) is confirmed town. Even if the JK claim is fake, Moology would still be confirmed town (by virtue of Golems being scum), letting us lynch into Yamato and Golems over the next two days. If there's no NK, it's non-allignment indicative (since scum could not use their night-kill to throw off town), and we lynch one of Moology/Yamato. For the sake of the example, we'll lynch Yamato.

The next night, Golem's "JK's" Moology again. If there's a NK, Moology is confirmed town and we lynch golems. If there's no NK, we lynch one of Moology/Golems, HOWEVER since mafia didn't NK two nights in a row, giving us an extra mislynch before lylo.

so tl;dr
We can lynch moology/golems/yamato guarenteed

FiveTouch

Marshall Islands1474 Posts

March 18 2013 00:05 GMT

#944

Or you can count the mislynches/lynches and work out you're talking bollocks

~marv

DrParnassus

Afghanistan565 Posts

March 18 2013 00:05 GMT

#945

yeah, the game appears to be solved in that case

unless i'm scum or something

FiveTouch

Marshall Islands1474 Posts

March 18 2013 00:11 GMT

#946

On March 18 2013 09:05 FiveTouch wrote:
Or you can count the mislynches/lynches and work out you're talking bollocks

~marv

By this, he means we only have 1 mislynch left, not 2.

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

March 18 2013 00:16 GMT

#947

On March 18 2013 09:05 FiveTouch wrote:
Or you can count the mislynches/lynches and work out you're talking bollocks

~marv

Errr I think it's alright? Normally there are 3 mislynches to loss in a 9 player game.

If two scum NK's are prevented, pretty sure that turns into 4.

5v1 right now.

With NK's:
Night 2 NK --> 4v1
Day 2 lynch --> 3v1
Night 3 NK --> 2v1

No NK's:
Night 2 NK (none) ---> 5v1
Day 3 lynch ---> 4v1
Night 3 NK (none) ---> 4v1
Day 4 lynch ---> 3v1

So even with a Night 4 NK, we'd have one more lynch availible for a total of 3 lynches.

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

March 18 2013 00:17 GMT

#948

POINT IS, we have room to lynch 3 players. And I'm pretty comfortable killing yamato/moology/casters for the win.

Moology

Italy144 Posts

March 18 2013 00:21 GMT

#949

Good plan Newbie, im happy with that

Golems to "JK" Moology

and after the NK we will become confirmed.

I suspect a NK will still happen; cos "assuming JK exists" and is on us; means someone like Marv can be shot which should be "tempting" enough.

(moc)

FiveTouch

Marshall Islands1474 Posts

March 18 2013 00:28 GMT

#950

Just for clarification, since OP isn't specific:

Are NKs factional, or carried out by a specific player? IE, can a jail keeper stop a NK offensively?

Artanis[Xp]

Netherlands12968 Posts

March 18 2013 00:29 GMT

#951

On March 18 2013 09:28 FiveTouch wrote:
Are NKs factional, or carried out by a specific player? IE, can a jail keeper stop a NK offensively?

Night Kills are carried out by a specific player.

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

March 18 2013 00:31 GMT

#952

Anywho before committing to such a plan, I need to read through FT's filter and make sure there are no lingering doubts about this.

It'll also be hard to resist lynching casters tomorrow - his claim makes a ton of sense if he's a mafia roleblocker.

Promato

92 Posts

March 18 2013 00:31 GMT

#953

Marv,
Last scum is moo not golems.
golems town:
1) claim
2) troll play too brave
3) stupid thoughts on promato
4) too cute for scum

Moo scum:
1) reads flow with thread sentiment
2) tries to throw suspicion where there is none
3) is scummy as butts
4) moc addresses everything to me (prom) and not to Yam who actually said things. He is disinterested in thread and is not reading. Assumes I am talking and isn't trying to cozy up to me (town moc just wants my dick all the time) + Show Spoiler [moc not wanting my dick] +

On March 17 2013 14:25 Moology wrote:
hmm... you bring up a really good point with Prom Golems.

I'm going through his filter again as well and other than him exposing OE there really isn't anything else worth noting. There's a lot of nothing in his last page other than attacking other players.

I mean even his contribution to the VE lynch isn't a lot outside of a meta read. It doesn't seem like it took a lot of effort from Prom to catch him. Especially considering he's barely been playing the game.

+ Show Spoiler +

On March 17 2013 05:26 Promato wrote:
lol, this is bullshit.

I was the first one to nail VE as mafia.

I have subsequently waited to see what people do in repsonse to this.

Only you have done anything that isn't call him mafia, which is either the dumbest move in the thread, or a sign that you're just bad town.

The thing I have to consider is; would mafia bus VE here or not? My instinct says yes, but you coming in here and accusing me over sitting back and watching today is bullshit. I caught one mafia, and I'm in the process of catching another.

It's also good to have confidence in your reads but while we are still discussing scum OE he seems to know what alignment OE will be when they flip without a doubt. I mean when I read through OE's filter I think he's scum because all of their "cases" are summaries with no real opinions. They don't seem to discuss how to catch scum at all or try to really figure anything out that would help town. OE is scummy for a lot of reasons but Prom doesn't really address that.

Prom just says meta read! OE scum! after ignoring them up to that point and while lurking. Basically "VE looks scummy, what does everybody else think about my observation?"

I'm too lazy for a bigger PR piece. But Moc is scum. He can die next.

DrParnassus

Afghanistan565 Posts

March 18 2013 00:40 GMT

#954

promato, why aren't you agreeing with us that we should lynch you?

Moology

Italy144 Posts

March 18 2013 00:41 GMT

#955

Right because in a 9 player game, Moology are one of the first to hard bus VE?

Being the first vote, gives the option to walk away.

Our vote essentially sealed the vote of SCUM... now you want to twist that as a scum move.. LOL.. nice try Prome

Promato

92 Posts

March 18 2013 00:42 GMT

#956

Because I'm town and moo is scum.

DrParnassus

Afghanistan565 Posts

March 18 2013 00:44 GMT

#957

whatever.

lets just go along with the plan.

i don't think there's much of a need for either newbieobs/FT/myself to really say anything for the rest of the game. everyone else can battle it out to prove who is town. moology/promato/golems are the chosen ones

Moology

Italy144 Posts

March 18 2013 00:44 GMT

#958

On March 18 2013 09:42 Promato wrote:
Because I'm town and moo is scum.

This post is worthy of a 2013 mafia award lol

I know why you want me on the block prome; unfortunately its related to things outside this game.

Im not letting my first mislynch occur under that context.

Gonna have to try harder than that if you want some of my "dick" as you say

(moc)

DrParnassus

Afghanistan565 Posts

March 18 2013 00:48 GMT

#959

TLGOLEMS, if you don't jail either of promato or moology, you are going to be lynched!!

TLCastingGolems

160 Posts

March 18 2013 01:03 GMT

#960

Ok, so OE died as framer. Cool beans. That means there's probably not a roleblocker.

Any preference to who we jail? (I'm partial to prom myself)

-S4