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/in Let's get this show on the road! | ||
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y u so srs? | ||
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On March 05 2013 10:17 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I don't know who Mr.Cheesecake or Dandel Ion are. So idk if they're being serious or not. If Coagulation or Pandain or someone was doing this right now I would have joined in the japes! They are not being srs. Pinkie swear. | ||
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Ok ok anyway our little circle-jerk here is probably town. That's the good news. | ||
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On March 05 2013 10:26 Dandel Ion wrote: CC look into the eyes of this innocent lamb. Could he really be scum?!?!? + Show Spoiler + well yeah no shit he could... I will post my baby seal pics damnit! | ||
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On March 05 2013 10:28 DoctorHelvetica wrote: And the problem with claiming that is what? HoP has no powers, mafia has no increased incentive to hit me that they wouldn't normally have. We can strike setup A off the list of possible setups. You can't throw 3 joke votes down in a game like this. With a scumteam of 2, they can swoop in and force an instant mislynch. In the ensuing chaos it wouldn't be terribly difficult to swing suspicion onto one of the initial voters. However, I don't think any serious townie wouldn't have realized that. At least 1 scum I would imagine has already voted me. ##Vote: Mr. Cheesecake You're making the mistake of assuming that anything that just transpired was serious. But really, do you actually think that scum would hammer a townie within 10 minutes from the start of the game? Thats like "OH HEY GUYS POLICY LYNCH ME WOOOO!" | ||
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Why not? A bunch of people were super-eager to get things started and did wild things without thinking of their reputation. It's a townie circle-jerk until someone proves otherwise. | ||
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On March 05 2013 10:34 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I never joke around in mafia games so I just kinda assume everyone is the same way. Hence why I usually dip out for the first hour or so, my approach doesn't work in this kind of atmosphere. That's fair. The whole "joking" thing is because of the guys active so far, most of us know each other really well and have played in a bunch of games together. Like I've played a TON of games with Thrawn and Mr.CC. I think I've played 2 with Dandel (and viscously mislynched him in the last one =O). Anywho, it'll get serious soon enough. I think we've done a fair job of breaking the ice so far... even with the claim =P | ||
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On March 05 2013 10:42 Dandel Ion wrote: Hmm, should the second blue be a named VT too, it might be worth it to claim now. Twice as likely it's a real blue though. So, meh. Nah not worth it. If there's a 2nd one about, you want to keep scum paranoid about a doctor or cop as long as possible. | ||
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Yah me either =( I want blood and there's none here. Therefore I will substitute it with my lust for alcohol. BRB. | ||
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Yeah pretty much this. For those who don't know, CC was medic in the last British Mini, and we caught one of the scum in-part because of a terrible tunnel on him. | ||
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On March 05 2013 10:52 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: So trolling aside I think another named VT should claim right now. Despite the possibility of catching someone with their pants down, it's not an infallible scumtrap. Confirmed townie is a good tradeoff for this luxury. Unless you prefer Hapa's method. Fuck you, my method is awesome. | ||
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Can you do me a favor and open your role PM and tell me what u are? I will see through your LIES | ||
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Anyway off to play some CS:GO. Be back tonight, and hopefully we can get some more participants. If y'all enter the thread have nothing to discuss, express your hatred for lurkers and we'll get along pretty well =) | ||
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On March 05 2013 21:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote: If you're convinced this easily then I'm not sure I'm going to be too confident in your ability to find scum. Tell me Hapa, is this comment serious? I've seen plenty of mafia games that start out in a joking way and I don't see why it wouldn't be very easy for scum to do so. This is just about what I gathered from the proceedings: Dr.H (WELP) Dandel Ion Mr.CC Thrawn (admitted to not reading his role PM at the time) So obviously the comment doesn't apply as much with Thrawn's admission, but I still stick by my stances on Dandel and Mr.CC. I perceive Dandel to be too fearless to be scum, and Dr.H (a vet player who he doesn't know) is a pretty brave target for a joke-bandwagon. Smacks of fearlessness and "not-giving-a-shit" about his image, hence he's town. Mr.CC just seemed townie with the light-heartedness of his posts. He also made me laugh a couple of times. Mafia's a simple game really. | ||
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On March 05 2013 23:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Dr. H has been 'cleared' only because he claimed blue, not because of the banter. I agree on your Dandel read; he seems aggressive and willing to take action, but I wouldn't colour him as green as you have. How you can call Mr. CC as anything above null is beyond me. He's barely posted anything. Also, fwiw, I didn't read my role until after I already commented on your post. I was going to bus you if we turned out to be in a scumteam :< I'd be pretty impressed if I did what I did as scum tbh. It would be quite an improvement from past games :3 | ||
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On March 06 2013 00:15 Artanis[Xp] wrote: So you're hiding information about why you think Hapa is town (aka town tells), yet you consider him town for giving town tells. Which means that either you think Hapa is town for doing something anti-town, or you're being purposefully anti-town. Please do tell me if I'm missing a third option here because I don't see it. As for finding useful information on my own; there's precious little to go off in the thread so far other than the post I quoted before. We could talk about Dr.H's blueclaim but I don't see that going in any useful direction, nor all the joke votes that have been thrown around. Hapa's recent post doesn't really give me a lot. Hapa, why do you consider Cheesecake a town read? Do you have any current scumreads? Uh did I not just talk about that an hour ago? On March 05 2013 23:41 Hapahauli wrote: This is just about what I gathered from the proceedings: Dr.H (WELP) Dandel Ion Mr.CC Thrawn (admitted to not reading his role PM at the time) So obviously the comment doesn't apply as much with Thrawn's admission, but I still stick by my stances on Dandel and Mr.CC. I perceive Dandel to be too fearless to be scum, and Dr.H (a vet player who he doesn't know) is a pretty brave target for a joke-bandwagon. Smacks of fearlessness and "not-giving-a-shit" about his image, hence he's town. Mr.CC just seemed townie with the light-heartedness of his posts. He also made me laugh a couple of times. Mafia's a simple game really. I've played 3 or 4 games with him so I have a pretty good feel for how he plays. Admittedly I haven't looked through his latest scumgame (Nomination Mafia, in which he apparently played pretty well), which I need to do some time today. Otherwise, his attitude suggests townie CC. | ||
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On March 05 2013 23:35 Promethelax wrote: 1)Hapa: talk to me about thrawn's early game. I expect stupid trolly bullshit from Dan and CC but Thrawn seems much too content to lynch DrH early. What is it that gives you early town vibes from thrawn? 2)CC: why are you so insistent on getting the second blue to claim? you say that we'll have the advantage of another confirmed town but does that really outweigh the advantages of having a blue role who can actually do things without being murdered in the face? 3)Jay; whatever happened to your policy lynch vivax pre game plan? 1) Shows that he's not reading the thread carefully. If he did, he'd know that Thrawn admitted to not reading his role PM. 2) Again not reading the thread. CC/Dandel explained their reasoning pretty clearly for this. 3) This is just the point that Artanis made. Overall Prome's play so far feels like my own scum-play. Walk in, ask a bunch of questions to look like you're active/spammy/contributing, then waltz out. Prome seems to indicate here that he didn't read his role-PM, but I think it's a lie, since I've never seen him do something similar before, and he says so in the most indirect way possible. On March 05 2013 23:58 Promethelax wrote: oh. I see what you mean. Well I know my role now. Good. Vivax, you don't think Hapa is scum. You have a vote on jay for being best mislynch NA. Who do you think is scum? | ||
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As for Vivax, meh. Aggressive so far, but he does that regardless of alignment. His tunnel on Artanis seems forced, but that's as with anything on Day 1. Curious to see where he takes it. | ||
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On March 05 2013 22:10 Vivax wrote: I'm FoSing you Artanis. Your play looks forced. Huh wait. Since when do you FoS people? Last I played with you (Normal Mini IV), you weren't afraid at all to throw your vote around on people you wanted answers from in the early game. I don't remember seeing it in other games either. It doesn't seem like you're scared to throw around your vote in general (due to your "joke" vote on Jay)... On March 05 2013 16:32 Vivax wrote: It's abut 8:30 AM here and I'm about to move out. I support a jay lynch for the time being until I see something that convinces me otherwise. ##Vote jaybrundage Best mislynch NA ... so what gives? You're voting someone for mysterious policy reasons, and pursuing your scumreads elsewhere. It doesn't look like you care about your vote, and your FoS looks like a neutered version of the pressure I've seen from you as town. | ||
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On March 06 2013 01:51 thrawn2112 wrote: hmm I like my vote where it is Mind giving me the specifics? | ||
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He must be handled with love. | ||
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Jay is very readable if you give him the time to show his colors. | ||
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Who else thinks that I could possibly be scum? Curious. | ||
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Firstly, how am I not pressuring people? I'd like to think I have some pretty damn good reasons to be suspicious of yourself and Vivax right now. Also I can't really pressure anyone if they're not responding to my questions. So plz respond to my pressure so I can poke you some more. | ||
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Patience patience. Prome has a history of believing I'm scum when I'm town, and believing I'm town when I'm scum. Also, I hold my vote in fairly high regard in instant-lynch games. When I vote someone, I generally want them dead. @ Prome On March 06 2013 02:34 Promethelax wrote: 1) but how you read thrawn's actions still helps me (as I just mentioned) 2) pretty sure I saw CC mention a second blue claim that wasn't the HoP but I was wrong. I'm dumb, carry on. 3) no, Artanis was talking about the marv policy lynch as is obvious if you actually read the thread. Y so sucm? 1) Not really. I called him town before he admitted so, and then I expressed my infinite sadness. You should be able to piece together the puzzle from that. 2) Yep. 3) Touche. Misread that for "marv policy lynch" for some reason. HOWEVER, how on god's green earth is Jay's clearly not-srs policy lynch pre-game proposal on Vivax at all relevant to the game or Jay's allignment? Hell he even retracted it in favor of a marv one :3 | ||
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On March 06 2013 02:36 Promethelax wrote: No, actually its quite a good vote. Because you are teh scummiest person in the thread so far. Your intentional misinterpretation of my posts certainly adds to my case and you and I both know it. Oh come on. We just had an IRC conversation about my scum mentality 2 days ago. So do you honestly think I'm scum or is this a spazz pressure vote? | ||
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On March 06 2013 02:47 Promethelax wrote: Hapa, you decided to not pressure anyone over three guys voting someone 2 minutes into the game, instead you decided to give them all town reads. While you might be right (or more likely, know you are right) about them all being town I don't think a town Hapa would be so quick to dismiss them and call them all town. Thrawn, those are my options. You called me scum for not being your friend. That was your strongest argument. So either you are dumb or scum. I have you as scummy. I have Hapa as scummier. Happy? What are your reads on Dandel and Mr.CC currently? Throw Thrawn in as well if you'd like. I like my reads and I think they're justified. What is wrong about them? | ||
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You apparently found SOMETHING suspicious about the early voters, or you wouldn't be on me about this now. Instead, your early game opening-post was to question a non-poster (Jay) and someone not involved in the voting clusterfuck (myself). That doesn't make much sense. | ||
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On March 06 2013 02:57 Promethelax wrote: because by the time I came in the game had progressed. I find it likely that dan and cc are town based in their actions. Thrawn on the other hand felt scummy. to quote my notes "Dan and CC are usually useless trolls. Thrawn is not though. Its worth a follow up. The first two seem greenish. The third...I dunno." So we agree on everything (except for Thrawn, but that's minor). So what the fuck's the problem then? | ||
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On March 06 2013 03:04 Promethelax wrote: My problem isn't actually about this. If you look at my vote post you'll be able to see that I have an issue with you not pressuring people for reactions. You are not authentically trying to get reads. Which makes you scum. Thrawn: I do. I really don't care about your vote post. With my current line of questioning, I'm just trying to figure out if I should make one of my own given that your actions aren't making a strand of sense. | ||
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Like it happens every time without fail. And I have no idea why =/ | ||
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Also think before you hammer ffs. I dont want to have to deal with crap like that again. Also this. What incident are you referencing? I know not of premature hammers in your game history. | ||
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On March 06 2013 04:17 Promethelax wrote: comment: vivax is super duper easy to read on meta. I won't reveal my meta tells on him until later so that he cannot conform to them intentionally. Not true. Have you read LVIII? He played a terrifyingly good scum-game. | ||
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On March 06 2013 04:19 Promethelax wrote: Very true. I played lviii as I mentioned moments ago to thrawn. Why are you not reading the thread? Oh I missed that sweet. And stop with the "why are you not reading" shit. It's pretty clear that I'm more involved in the thread than anyone else here (except for maybe Artanis). | ||
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On March 06 2013 04:30 Vivax wrote: Huh. Me scum for not voting someone but then doing it? That's interesting... Meta sucks when you don't know how to use it. I'm not too sure between jay and Prome currently but Prome just did something that I don't think I would see him doing as mafia. Jay instead is rather lurky that's not good. It makes sense to be scared to post as scum from his perspective. My top priority remains Artanis as of now, I don't like how he hooked onto a bad argument to vote for me and his start into the game remains scummy. List 'o questions: 1) What is the rationale behind your Jay policy lynch pre-game? 2) Since when do you FoS players? | ||
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On March 06 2013 04:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Because it's a massive difference in psychology. A FoS is vastly different from a vote in terms of confidence. A FoS indicates you don't really want to vote them yet, but are suspicious of them. A vote indicates a greater degree of certainty. The fact that you went from a FoS to a vote with nothing happening in between shows that you realized your lapse of logic in the meantime and tried to salvage the situation by voting on me and hoping no one would notice. It's a subconscious thing. I just checked if you used it before. You did so once, when you were scum., and once when you were town. The difference is, in the scum game you changed your mind an hour and a half in. In the town game, you changed your mind over the course of two days and didn't even end up voting for the guys you FoSed. Your current meta matches up with your scum game, and not your town game. When I mentioned the Vivax "FoS" thing, he went through all his games and found all the instances of that in Vivax's meta. That's far too much :effort: for scum. Scum would accept my allegation as 100% true rather than such a specific filter dig. | ||
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On March 06 2013 05:35 Vivax wrote: Am I not allowed to treat my scumreads nicely and ask them if they agree with a course of action? No, but it's a fucking odd emotional 180. "U R SCUM ARTANIS U HAD IT OUT FOR ME ALL GAME" to... "Would you like to vote Prome plz?" | ||
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On March 06 2013 05:48 jaybrundage wrote: Can you start contributing your entire filter is one liners. You post but there isn't any content to it. The first page of your filter is trolling. The second is passing comments. You had some reasoning last time I played with you. You're going to have to do some more yourself. You haven't been involved in the discussion at all, and just plopped down a clean vote on Vivax. Give me some of your other reads. Opinions on Artanis, Dandel, Prome, and anyone else you see fit would be appreciated. | ||
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On March 06 2013 06:00 jaybrundage wrote: I hate day 1's hapa : / Artanis I like so far. He has made some good points on Vivax and his posting so far seems like he cares and the game and puts effort into it. Y u no like =( But seriously, I remember us getting along quite well in Day 1 of British Mini. Comment doesn't make much sense given our history. Dandel is scummy he doesn't give reasoning. And jokes it off when I point it out to him. What did you make of my town-read on Dandel? Can you see scum doing what he did (to DrH of all people) in the early game? I like Prom's push on Vivax as well. But his flip flop on you doesn't look to good. You asked me like two questions and he was like welp hapa is town. Can you explain this one to me (quotes and all)? | ||
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On March 06 2013 06:09 Promethelax wrote: as your official Jay translator I'd like to say he meant "I hate day 1s too Hapa" not "I hate hapa on day one" Oh makes sense. On March 06 2013 06:09 Promethelax wrote: you=hapa he=prome his=prome reading comprehension=good I'm more looking for his analysis in regards to that point. I get what he's saying, I just want to see his thought process. | ||
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@ Vivax Why are you playing follow-the-leader with DrH? | ||
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On March 06 2013 07:38 Vivax wrote: Cause I think DrH is awesome and town and I think this is the beginning of a great friendship Problem amigo? Yes, because you're buddying an almost-confirmed townie to try and lynch two of my town reads. Your vote post sounds a ton like you're rationalizing lynching a townie (especially that second paragraph). On March 06 2013 07:31 Vivax wrote: Let's lynch Dandel for openly playing anti-town he probably read Ace's mafia guide and now tries to play that card. His reads are all OMGUS and on townies (I think DrH is townie yes). Even for the unlikely case he's town we don't need people playing right into mafia's hands. If he's town he's trying hard to get himself lynched. ##Unvoting ##Vote Dandel Ion Hell most of your stuff on Dandel sounds like devolved shit-flinging than anything else. Case in point: What the fuck is this and how is it scummy? You have to explain these things ya know. | ||
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On March 06 2013 07:12 Promethelax wrote: I defend him because I don't think he is scum and Doc's cries of "hammer right naow!" are not helpful. I'm done defending Dan though, he can defend himself. If he cares to. You guys can lynch him, I will not be voting him though. And Promethelax, what the fuck is this? The lack of concern for someone lynching one of your town-reads is unlike anything I've seen from you as town. | ||
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On March 06 2013 07:46 Vivax wrote: People I should read the posts of and play cordially and respect them and answer to them: Vivax. Listen. Can we both take a collective step back from this? I'm sorry I'm being aggressive, but all I want is an explanation for some of your stuff on Dandel. I don't understand where you're coming from, and I want to see what you're thinking. Like this for example: I just don't understand why your highlighted red passage there is scummy. All I want is a quick explanation - I don't think I'm being disrespectful, and an explanation would be of great help to me. | ||
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On March 06 2013 07:58 Vivax wrote: Ahh that is nice, now we can discuss things properly without what the fuck what the shit. I actually thought he meant "named VT" as in he said that DrH's role name is named a VT cause I only checked afterwards that the House of Parliament has the unflavoured name "named VT". So I thought Dandel was calling DrH a VT/was doubting his claim something along the lines but that got cleared up when I actually read the OP thoroughly. Awesome. Thanks for clearing that up. I still think we should lynch Dandel since he's asking for it. No WIFOM bullshit like "he's behaving like scum so he can't be scum". I think a lot of the arguments on Dandel have been "I don't like how he's playing" or "he's not conforming to how I want townies to play." While I understand the temptation to want to lynch someone for those reasons, I think it's a mistake. For one, townies play like that a lot. MrZ for example has a very "cavalier/trolly" play-style that draws a lot of ire from certain players, yet it's pretty obvious when he's town. I'm currently placing Dandel in the same category - all I see is a player drawing attention to himself and not giving a damn about what people think of him. I see that as very townie. At the very least, no one should be lynching someone as active as he is so quickly in the day. We need to stop with the calls for blood and give him the chance to explain himself like anyone else here. Hapa I have to currently assume you're town I would like you to go through the things I wrote about Artanis. I have a well structured post about him and I would like you to look into Prom as well since he has accused me of things that are obvious lies but refuses to comment on them or adapt his read when I mention them. He said something about having a meta read on me he didn't want to share earlier but only came out to vote for me after I accused him of being scum. Regarding Artanis To preface this, I read through two of his scum-games (Haunted Mafia and Mafia LI). In both, he was captian lurker-supreme. While it's possible that he's since changed his mafia playstyle, it's very hard for me to see scum-Artanis acting like he is. In regards to your earlier summary of his play... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=400346¤tpage=13#249 ...I don't find any of that scummy. What you call "fear," I view as a degree of hesitancy I see as pro-town. Regarding Prome He's acting pretty brave right now. Given his latest scum performance, I just don't see the scum in him. To be frank, I think both of these reads of yours are more emotionally influenced than anything else. A major part of your suspicions against these players are that they're attacking you. What you call "lies," I see as miscommunications on both sides. As for my own reads right now, I'm most concerned about Jay and Thrawn. Both of them haven't been involved or engaged in discussion, and a lot of the spats right now just look like a bunch of townies screaming at each other. | ||
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Please stop this Dandel. All comments like this do is devolve conversation into petty arguments rather than anything constructive. Can you lay out the reasons why you think he's scum? Having Vivax reply seriously is only going to do good things here. | ||
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On March 06 2013 08:24 Promethelax wrote: Vivax; thoughts on jay please. Jay: thoughts on Vivax. hapa, why do you think Vivax is not scum? I thought he was scum about 15 minutes ago and realized I needed to step back a bit. I want to get a couple of calm, constructive responses and re-evaluate. So for now, I'm not leaning anything on him. | ||
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On March 06 2013 08:27 Vivax wrote: Prom if you're really town start looking elsewhere cause you're wasting your time if you think I'm scum. I've gladly provided you my opinion on jay though, it's up there. Yeah I saw that Vivax, but that's like the 4th person you're open to lynching so far. How would you order your scumreads right now from most likely ---> least likely to flip red? | ||
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As for Artanis, we'll agree to disagree for now, and I don't mind hearing more out of him. Though can we both agree not to jump the gun on the lynch? I've played a TON of instant-lynch games on TL Mafia (5+), and quick, emotional lynches are very scum-favored. I see you and a lot of other players going down that road right now, and I've never seen it end well. I'd like to see us not even considering lynching someone until the 48 hour mark. A calm and collected lynch decision has a pretty good shot of hitting scum, even on Day 1. | ||
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Also @ Prome You went from "Hapa is scum" to agreeing with everything I've been saying over the course of 5 hours... what happened :3 | ||
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Why do you want to lynch Prome so much all of a sudden? You were talking yourself down from him only half an hour ago. It feels like your top scumread changes based on who you are currently arguing with. | ||
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Probably town: DrH - lolclaim Dandel - Trolltown Vivax - Townie with persecution complex. Likely town: Prome - has a longer filter currently than his latest scumgame. Still tunneling Vivax more than I'd like. Artanis - More :effort: than I've seen in his scum meta. ??? Mr.CC - Hasn't done much since the early game. Thrawn - Ditto. Jay - Very... passive... | ||
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@ Prome Can you give me a short list of why you think Vivax is scum? Just a clear run-down of the points. Some of your arguments (particularly meta arguments) don't match up at all given Vivax's recent behavior. Case in point: On March 06 2013 06:46 Promethelax wrote: yes it is, look at LIX for an example of his insane but town play vs fruity or lviii for his calm demeanor scum play. I'd say Vivax is one of the best scum players I've seen develop recently. His recent town play in NMM IV was pretty decent and not totally nuts but I still find his meta deeply indicative of a sum vivax. There are many adjectives I could use to describe Vivax's play right now, but "calm" isn't one of them. @ Thrawn The only thing you've done so far is tunnel Prome. That's not much from what I usually see out of your town play in the early hours. Can you give us read-updates? @ Mr.CC You literally haven't posted any reads. Do something about that pl0x. @ Jay Two things concern me about your play right now: 1) You seem to be "going with the flow" a lot. Things you've done so far... ... Voting Vivax after everyone was suspicious of him. ... Supporting a Dandel lynch when Vivax/DrH were going off on him ... Declaring Vivax town when I said so. 2) You're not questioning your scumreads You've gone after Dandel/Vivax convinced that they were scum, yet we're only 24 hours into the day. On March 06 2013 06:44 jaybrundage wrote: @Vivax If I wasn't reasonable confident that you will flip red. I would go for dandel. Using pressure votes is a lot more scary when its instant majority lynch like this game is. But that being said. Dandel if you don't start posting stuff that doesn't suck I will lynch you. Like this is s00per confident, and you seem very comfortable in your reads for someone who really hates Day 1 play in general. But more importantly, it doesn't seem like you're interested in figuring out people's alignments. You weren't asking Dandel/Vivax any questions and you really didn't attempt to interact with them. The only question in your filter is you asking DrH - an effectively confirmed townie - a question. 3) Your recent vote on Thrawn In the quote above, you were so s00per convinced that Dandel was scum, saying you'd vote him if you weren't confident in Vivax. But nao you're voting Thrawn... what happened? | ||
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Could you respond to the two other things I posted? (Going with the flow + Not questioning your scumreads) I'm also a bit skeptical about how "convinced" you've seemed about your reads on Vivax/Dandel at times this game. You've openly admitted to hating Day 1 play, and you seemed very comfortable with these reads, which is pretty contradictory. On March 06 2013 11:01 jaybrundage wrote: I saw this coming. People would comment on how i wanted to lynch Dandel but now my votes on thrawn. I wanted to vote dandel because of his complete lack of content in his posts. He (finally) started putting in at least some effort with going for Vivax. Which is a plus. He isn't a townie read my any means. But I completly forgot about thrawn. When you mentioned him I remembered Lamp and his meta case on Thrawn as scum super lurking. That is exactly the case here. Once thrawn found out his role pm he legit stopped posting. He lurked super hard and attributed it to life reasons. Ill be damned if thrawn doesnt come back and give the same excuse. Also if you recall Hapa I was going after DP and then you had a read on him so i backed down eventually I didn't want to do a 180 then because i was worried about how it would look. But if you have a town read on Vivax I respect that and wouldn't want to go against your reads regardless. I'd rather see you pursue your own ideas rather than acknowledge all of mine as 100% true. | ||
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On March 06 2013 11:55 jaybrundage wrote: Sigh whatever if you town needs to lynch me to see who the scum that lead my lynch im fine with that. Jay come on. I've never seen you take such a defeatist attitude towards this game. In fact I have vivid memories of British Mini Mafia I, where your activity and effort gave me a town read on you very early on. | ||
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On March 06 2013 12:17 DoctorHelvetica wrote: "I was thinking about how I might get attacked (already concerned about survival). I immediately changed votes from Dandel after he started posting (although he is actually still not being contributive). I still don't think he is town but I don't wanna vote for him anymore. Anyway, I won't vote for someone if you think they are town cause I don't wanna have conflict." Also note this: 1. Dandel has been good in going after Vivax 2. I'm gonna sheep you and if you think Vivax is town that's good enough for me huh I don't understand it much either, however Jay is lynchbait and thus patience is needed here. I'm completely against considering hammering him for atleast 24 hours, and preferably longer. | ||
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On March 06 2013 12:19 Promethelax wrote: oh, Hapa, I thought I had answered your question. But I only did it in my head. Vivax is scum because 1) meta before I explained what about his meta I found scummy. He is someone I think is good enough to change his meta when he knows what he needs to change it to. His "shift" has been far too extreme and has sounded too genuine to make me think it is fake. 2) He says I'm lying about him and his play but despite that clearly did not want to lynch me for it until i brought it up in the thread when suddenly Artanis/Jay/Me were all the same level of scum. I have a very hard time reconciling a townie player believing someone is lying about them to make a case not think ing that person is the scummiest person ever. Meh. I don't like this very much. I think Vivax has expressed much support in killing you, but hasn't communicated his intent all that clearly. | ||
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On March 06 2013 13:22 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: You know how this works Hapa. You ask me to give reads. I goof off and tunnel Yamato (or vice versa) Ok well anyway regardless of Jay, there is still at least one other scum afoot. Who do you think that scum is and why? | ||
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On March 06 2013 13:34 jaybrundage wrote: Kind of frustrating when everyone and there mother think you are scum. Honeslty it doesn't matter tho. Day 1 townie lynches happen if town wants to lynch me. I would hope that it can provide information on scum tmw. I been trying to push my reads and not be overly spammy this game. And it just blows up in my face. fuck it. If you're town, it does matter. You get tunneled all the time as town, and I've never seen you give up like this. Hell man - just spam and be yourself. If you're town, I'll find out and I'll yell at everyone until they lynch someone else. | ||
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On March 06 2013 13:47 thrawn2112 wrote: are we at 4 or 3 votes for jay? I don't know, but if anyone hammers him, he better pray I'm not alive because I will personally see to it that he policy-lynched. | ||
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On March 06 2013 14:04 Promethelax wrote: so you expect jay to flip town, huh? Why? Idunno. It just seems too easy. That, and the last time I saw Jay give up like this was when people ganged him on one of the later days in Hero Mini. He flipped town. Counterpoint of course is that he went down fighting in Normal Mini IV as town. The point I'm trying to make is that there's good reason to have reasonable doubt about Jay's alignment right now, and I want to take the extra time. Policy-lynch stuff was a poorly-expressed version of that idea. | ||
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On March 06 2013 14:37 thrawn2112 wrote: Is this because of how you view him as being lynch bait, or is there something specifically about this game that gives you reason to doubt? Can you comment on this post: We're finally at a point in the game where we should be held accountable for our votes and this vote from jay is just lazy as all hell. There are NO opinion about any of my reads, NO opinion about how I've acted thus far, NO actual discussion about the differences (other than activity) between my scum/town meta, etc. As I said in the above quote, the stance he's taken is basically a non-stance. It doesn't leave room for argument and contains none of his own opinions concerning my scumminess. His vote is something he can justify as "well in general thrawn is lurky as scum" and there is nothing at all confrontational about that statement. It's the lynch-bait view. I really like to be patient with those types of players. It's never bad to take extra time. We'll either confirm our read, or give himself the opportunity to prove that he's town. Both are great outcomes. | ||
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Anyway, couple of things: 1) Yay for scum lynch! However, rushing lynches like that is still terribad. Don't do it. We could have gotten so much more information about scum #2 from day 1 and we rushed to hammer instead. 2) I don't think the votes matter very much given how bad Jay looked throughout the day. People I want to hear from today: Vivax - still feels like an aggressive townie, but that was an in-the-moment read rather than an objective look at his filter. Artanis - didn't do very much. Mr.CC - ditto. | ||
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On March 07 2013 08:38 Promethelax wrote: If you are the other HoP you should claim now! That would be me unfortunately =( | ||
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On March 07 2013 08:42 Vivax wrote: So scum would know if there's a medic? No thanks. Doesn't matter. Scum know the roles anyway due to their role setup. (roleblocker = HoP, none = medic/doc) | ||
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Why do Artanis and Mr.CC not care about the town? | ||
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Just read-dump. I have no idea where you stand right now. | ||
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What's changed in these times? You've made a full 180 and you haven't said why. You haven't contributed to town other than telling your reads when prompted, you've been a lot less active than you have in your previous games, and your filter is pretty bad. Given I don't see scum elsewhere Cheesecake is my current top suspect. No reasoning for read changes, and is playing a jovial game which contradicts his recent town game. Can you explain this one to me (bolded)? I generally equate jovial to townie, especially with Mr.CC. | ||
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On March 08 2013 01:08 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Artanis, you obviously haven't read any of my town games lol. If you're wondering about my read change on you, meh. I initially thought you were town because Hapa was willing to give his left nut betting you were town LEFT NUT SIR. Your posting about Jay was nearly nonexistent, and only really mentioned him at the end when things were looking bad. You were very non-commital in a stance, and simply "wanted to see more from him". The fact that your voting me suggests you need an easy mislynch (which, as scum, I wouldn't blame you) Thrawn is most likely town, whoever is voting him right now is stupid. Jay was 'tunneling' Vivax, and then switched to Thrawn ASAP with zero reasoning when he was receiving like 1 vote. He''s my second town read with obvHapa. @Prom How you know I'm town? Dandel. I know you're sexy but ##Vote: Dandel Ion ^ Expound on this Wait... what @ Dandel vote Is that a joke or a troll? | ||
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You seem to think Prome is scum. What other rationale do you have for it? | ||
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On March 08 2013 01:21 Vivax wrote: So is Prom's reasoning that sheeping weak townreads gives strong town vibes. ... Touche. However I just need to hear more from CC. I don't have any reason to think he's town right now - CC's been useless and lurky, and I know he's more than capable of being an active presence as town. | ||
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On March 08 2013 01:29 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: *Sigh* of all the people here Hapa, you should know I'm town (Barring the scum guy left). Do you REALLY think I voted Jay first and just let him die as his scummate? C'mon. Possibly. Jay looked pretty terrible throughout the day, and your initial vote wasn't serious at all (you justified it LATER after everyone jumped him). Fact is, you're a shell of the townie persona I've seen in other games we've been together. | ||
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On March 08 2013 02:19 Vivax wrote: Artanis drop the game preserve your honour. No one will call you and jay bad you were just scum at the wrong time in the wrong place in a game format that's superhard even for the best scum players What you're doing with CC right now looks fake. Hold my hand and I'll lead you to the gallows we will spare your family if you accept the terms. Vivax... what are you doing? You have your vote on Dandel and you're telling Artanis to resign... | ||
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Rebel Scum 03-05-2013 11:58 PM ET (US) im playing the sad townie. If it works when i come back tmw and start posting they will all give me a break Whooooops. | ||
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On March 09 2013 08:41 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: i knew artanis looked too townie. dandel still sexy how anyone thought i would bus jay like that, i dontknw Kinda looked like Jay had given up, therefore it would have made sense for a teammate to bus him. | ||
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Fortunately things ended well, but that doesn't change the fact that lynches should never be rushed like that in this type of format. ESPECIALLY with the silent night setup. | ||
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On March 09 2013 09:05 DoctorHelvetica wrote: When things go on too long townies start second guessing and you end up with split wagons. I was fine the way Day 1 ended, jay clearly had p much given up on defending himself and going too much longer could have ended up in the death of Vivax or Artanis that day. I've played a bunch instant-lynch mini's, and I've never ran into that problem. A deliberately long Day 1 almost always sets up really well for the rest of the game. In fact you want townies to be second-guessing themselves, because quite often you'll have a townie on the lynch-block. Fast, emotional decisions are too much of a coin-flip. | ||
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On March 09 2013 09:15 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I've played few minis so I'll take your word on that. I tend to get less confident over time. My early reads are usually the most accurate. Yeah the funny thing about long days is that instead of being this long, indecisive circle of reads, there reaches a point (about 72 hours in) where townies just go "fuck it, let's just kill someone." Far from being indecisive, a town will be very decisive later in a day just for the sake of moving on. While on the surface it sounds like a bad thing, it's at that point that you can get so much information about player mentalities. A long day also puts an incredible amount of pressure on scum to keep their interest in the thread. You can really grind down a scum-player with a long day, to the point where their diminished interest level will become pretty obvious. tl;dr - masochism is a winning strategy | ||
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On March 09 2013 09:26 Dandel Ion wrote: That's why rolling scum really fucking sucks in that setup. €: It also sucks in other setups too, but not quite as much Well yes and no. This setup is extremely unforgiving to passive scum-play in a reasonably active town. However, active-scumplay is extremely powerful, since you can end days early by pushing a mislynch. | ||
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I'm hosting a similar setup with only 1 doctor in a week or so, though in future iterations, I might randomly generate 0-1 blue roles. | ||
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On May 20 2014 07:36 Blazinghand wrote: Unfortunately I'm a tiny bit tied up today, I'll probably have the first day of analysis out in the next few days though. ![[image loading]](http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/juhf.gif) | ||
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