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Lynch Ver or sloosh. Guys are scrubs and mafia. | ||
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On March 11 2013 03:35 VisceraEyes wrote: Too many unskilled newbies. I think you should expand on that BloodyC0bbler. I have a different view - that there are proportionally more skilled veteran players in this game than in most of the games played recently, not less. Not that it changes anything about your other observations - that just means that there will be more "nothing important going on in the thread" at least early on. So do you think scum are going to be using their personality as a crutch to blend in in this setup? I think so - I think most of them are going to focus on roleplaying, it's pretty much a thing where you have to pick too - do I make a post sounding like X or do I make a post trying to find scum? simple. Ive been around longer than basically everyone thus everyone is unskilled newbie compared to me. Given that nothing is going on and based on years of observation and conversation I know ver at this point should have more than a fluff post and sloosh only has a /in post. His posting decreases substantially to the point of non existence only when non town. Given that (for now as the day is less than 24 hours in length) both these players meet meta reasons for being scum they are scum. When they change this in a way that I believe isn't total bullshit then I might revisit my opinion. | ||
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On March 11 2013 05:03 Stutters695 wrote: Very convincing. I can feel.the skill oozing from this post. I love when bad scum cherry pick posts. Dont you? | ||
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On March 11 2013 07:40 Promethelax wrote: So tell me, how is it that big ole wbg called you a mole in the game so early? How could he know about your tunneling habits when you didn't know yourself if you were a snake or a rabbit? Does he have information to which the rest of us are not privy? Why is it that Foolish and Ver The two vets with whom most I wish to confer have vanished so fully are they both red bullies? I say that them we should bestir Bloodycobbler is a player renowned but his reads today leave my head going around and around. He says meta suggests scum between two lurky players but Foolish is not included with these two nay-sayers. Why BC, do you leave him? please expound. Kurumi, you jack of great trades, oh possible mole explain to me the whole of your role. How is it that one day you fight for town and the next you wish us all to drown? How is this colouric shit controlled? phils alignment is always confirmed by day 2. Why waste time analyzing a player who obviously gives himself away. | ||
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On March 11 2013 08:53 VisceraEyes wrote: This. If you have some reason for not allowing Ver the same benefit of the doubt I'd like to hear it. Easy. Ver is catchable day 1 based on meta. Foolishness is day 2. As such you go with the person you know. Also for anyone saying don't lynch vets day 1, this game is almost entirely vets. Stop being dicktards. People who contribute in a meaningful and helpful way get to live, people who do dick all to help get sent to the gallows. | ||
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Its been over a full day and sloosh, foolishness and ver have all been absent posting. One of these three should be lynched unless they come out with some epic post to prove why they shouldn't die. Also yamato is claiming to be someone who shot a confirmed town. This is not in any way a town aligned move regardless of kurumi's play. | ||
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On March 11 2013 12:07 Promethelax wrote: what I want clarified (which is really important) why kurumi still died after his shooter checked him as town is yamato scum or a clown? I'm waiting for him to respond before I decide. I thought Fool got a pass why are you being an ass? wasn't he day 2 readable on meta alone while Ver and Sloosh are day one, you intoned which thought is not crass? Level in which people have virtually ignored all 3. Why am I the only one looking at 3 top players with any level of seriousness while everyone is derping around looking at anyone aside from those 3 and yamato? Top tier players like them should have at least one post in thread by now apologizing for lack of activity with an explanation for themselves. | ||
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Not really. They let their team defend them typically or wait til people stop talking about them when scum. | ||
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On March 11 2013 12:16 marvellosity wrote: you think both ver and foolish are mafia then, BC? Its day 1. Given the fact both have been insanely absent and offered absolutely nothing the likelyhood given my past with them suggests at least 1 if not both are red. Would it be a surprise if they were? Look at the lineup of players. Virtually everyone is experienced or held in high regards. We are all basically on equal footing skill wise. | ||
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On March 11 2013 12:17 marvellosity wrote: So we wait on Foolish, and Ver advertised before the game he'd have no time before Monday. I don't know where BC is going with any of this. limited availability does not mean 0 availability. He should have been able to make more than one post this cycle in some form of a contribution. If you are so hesitant to off ver this early explain sloosh for me. He has his /in post only and is known for lurking hard and doing F all as scum. | ||
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On March 12 2013 09:13 VisceraEyes wrote: Because he's playing like a dickwad. Fuck who knows, OR cares? typically people who purposely aim to be lynched are purposely trying to do it as a win con. only third party players do that. Im glad that I go sleep then work for 11 hours and you herps are still derping. Ver or yamato should be lynch choices today. Sloosh has provided enough to live today so has phil. | ||
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On March 12 2013 09:24 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm voting Yamato what the fuck are you doing BC? Oh calling me bad for doing what you want me to do. Again. Color me surprised. do you or do you not have a vote on bugs? I mean if you had put 1 on ver, 1 on yamato and 1 on bugs Id be fine with it but as I see it you have 1 vote placed properly and 1 put on a likely Villiage idiot and 1 on some random. As for what am I doing? Its apparent. Im telling town who should be lynched. | ||
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On March 12 2013 09:33 Vivax wrote: BC I think you're one of the few people I find reasonable in here currently. Yamato and Ver are excellent choices. I still think Bugs could be a good lynch target. I can't believe there would be a jester in this game Bugs is probably trying to achieve something else with this role. If there's a jester without the hosts telling us then it's a troll game anyway. I have a little theory about Bugs but I don't want to share it cause I actually want to see what happens with the lynch. Let's not forget he's impersonating Chezinu  roles were given to people that would "match" the personality. We can see that already based on kurumi's flip. Given that a lot of people have played as third party and chez (who he claims to be) has been third party before having him troll / be VI or some other role of the like is a possible occurance. If hes town or mafia and trying this hard to die then keeping him alive a bit longer punishes him / potentially gets him modkilled and banlisted. Think logically not emotionally. Emotions have led to my downfall to much. | ||
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On March 12 2013 09:55 strongandbig wrote: Foolishness what do you think of crossfire and corazon? Same question to BC and anyone else who thinks wbg is probably chezinu the village idiot Not as important to kill as Ver or yamato. Also shooting bugs I have no issue with. Just lynching him when he appears to want to be lynched. | ||
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On March 12 2013 10:02 strongandbig wrote: I'm with you on wbg, bc Why is Yamato so important to kill? I kinda get Ver since he's a well known "good player", although I'm not sure why the timing of a policy lynch matters, but with Yamato it's not like he's on that level and he's under enough pressure that there's no risk of him slipping out of the spotlight. Its not so much policy as meta. But again people can take it as they want. He has meshed up fully with his mafia meta from my experience and I know what hes capable of. Yamato is important because he has played so obviously anti town. As annoying as Kurumi was being he was not actively doing anything others already weren't. Instead he shot him. He shot someone who was likely just a townie roleplaying instead of some mafia trolling. | ||
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On March 12 2013 10:28 prplhz wrote: @BloodyC0bbler Why don't you lynch decafchicken on day1? because misslynches suck | ||
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On March 12 2013 10:30 prplhz wrote: Can you elaborate so a player of my caliber will also be able to follow you? he was a common day 1 lynch due to clue games where the words coffee or chicken or the like would be used in the day posts. He would get lynched, flip town usually and day 1 is wasted because people go for an easy lynch. | ||
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On March 12 2013 11:02 Crossfire99 wrote: Am I dead? I only checked the vote thread and saw a lot of votes for me, so I assumed I'm dead. still an hour left I think | ||
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On March 13 2013 02:49 Acrofales wrote: I thought you were pretty levelheaded and townie at the time, but this post is not making sense to me. WBG's role was survivor, not scum aligned. His powers were meh. Unless you are talking about Kurumi, in which case he was town aligned, not scum aligned at all. The impression I got from Yamato is that he knew all along what his power would do. Now, why would scum get a DT check? It makes no sense. Even if it is combined with a dayvig. Either Yamato is lying about how his power works, or he is town. The role makes NO sense for scum. Still catching up on thread but you just posted the most wtf comment ever. I have bolded it for ease. Kurumi's role was obviously one that benefited mafia more than town. IE we already have proof that roles do not have to make sense for their alignment. Roles make sense to the personality. If they RNG'd the personalities/roles then the alignments then anyone could end up up with an alignment that doesnt mesh well with their role. I find scrubblies who make bad reasons on why someone can't be mafia using faulty and terrible logic likely to be mafia defending a scumbuddy | ||
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Austin also super baddy. Why would bc change his posting style in a game with altered personalities. Likely because hes playing his personality. Themed games dont equal normal. Nor does the fact I have less time now to actively play. However good try captain try hard 2. | ||
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Its prpl and austin. Both are experienced enough to know better. Also, marv has outright lied about how he garners reads on me. As he was unsure of my alignment in LX and was basing my alignment on if I got shot n1 or not. Given his tried and true method is not neccesarily in play this game given that there are so many big names to shoot him outright saying I have a tell for him d1 is an outright lie. Now the only reason I mention it is he made a huge deal of foolishness lying yet does it himself. Hypocritical actions make BC sad. | ||
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On March 13 2013 06:51 Acrofales wrote: Kurumi's role is more powerful for scum than for town, but it is not USELESS for scum. Modconfirming a DT check is not just useless for scum, it is worse than useless. There is literally NO reason to use a modconfirming DT check barring extremely weird situations like Drazerk in HRM (where townies knew Drazerk had the role, because we gave it to him, and were masoned with him. He HAD to use it... and additionally there were 2 scum teams). If you think the role works the way Yamato described, as I do, then it is basically an anonymous dayvig. In that case, Yamato's use of it makes no sense as town. So either scum got, and used a DT check. Or scum announced the anonymous dayvig and used it on a target that was shitting up the thread instead of some powerful town leader. OR, you go with Ockham's Razor and realize that Yamato is town. Why? Modconfirm dt check as scum is legit straight up powerful and id take it in a heartbeat. Why? Because you guys will argue mechanic based shit like you are and voila I must be a confirmed town dt. Oh shit? I have to shoot the guy I modconfirm? Doesn't matter. Target someone in thread who shits thread up and get auto loved for being confirmed dt/vig for town. No offense but as scum i'd love a role that autoconfirms me as town without needing to be a gf. Just saying. Now maybe I think at a higher level of play than you do, but I think this is a standard logical step for basically anyone. There are reasons I am sure you can argue yamato is town without using his role. Role does not fucking equal alignment. I have been saying this for fucking years. | ||
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On March 13 2013 06:58 strongandbig wrote: yeah i said the same thing but he ignored me people ignored me about my reads day 1. Yet I see many people parroting them like they thought of them first in this thread. Makes me sad. | ||
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On March 13 2013 07:00 VisceraEyes wrote: BC you're missing the point. Why wouldn't he use it on a town-aligned you? Or a town-aligned Ver? Or a town-aligned Foolish? Or a town-aligned marv? The point is he used it in a way that helped town - removing someone shitting up the thread - instead of a way that irrevocably harms town - killing a strong player with potential to lead town. No one is arguing that his role makes him town - Acro is saying that his USE of the role makes him town. That's all we can ever go on. Simple. If as mafia he used it on me and I flipped town and got shot, he'd be instantly castrated for taking out a town heavy hitter and a townie who knows his role will kill a green/blue check is a retard to use it on a high profile target unless the suspicion of him being scum is there. Choosing one of us day 2 or 3 makes sense but within the first like 24ish hours of day 1? No chance in hell. Object is to confirm your alignment, not solidify your trip to the gallows. | ||
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On March 13 2013 07:02 Vivax wrote: BC I want to cry with you. The worst is that you might be gone tomorrow and I'll be alone...Arguing against insulting elements who say Ockham's razor is when the guy shooting town is town. Bad people are bad yo | ||
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On March 13 2013 07:06 Acrofales wrote: Vivax: I have argued the role all which ways. The second part which you bolded is pretty much EXACTLY what Yamato claimed. He picks a target and vig-shoots them if town, or DT checks them if scum. IF he is scum, that means he is a dayvig, because why on earth bother DT checking your scumbuddies? Now how about you start READING and THINKING instead of spewing drivel all the time. C: there might be some merit to that. I once mentioned offhandedly to Greymist that I found it funny that his Ace Attorney role is always considered confirmed town, and he said he had wanted to make it scum (in PU I think), but there were balance reasons not to, or the roles didn't work out properly, or something. Anyway, you bring up something worth considering. thanks for seeing my side of the argument. Its how myself, ver, foolishness, marv, and a few others would use that role as scum or tell our scum member to use it. Its frighteningly over powered. | ||
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On March 13 2013 07:08 Acrofales wrote: Oh, and that whole spiel is if you assume the DT check and the vig shot are separate from each other. If they're not, and you simply believe Yamato's role, then his USE of the power makes no sense. He could have just silently and quietly shot any of the heavy hitters and nobody would have known unless he started yelling that he was MZ. Again. Issue is if there is anyone in the game that reveals peoples personalities. In a game such as this there could very well be. For all we know he is forced to claim in some way (via pro gf snipe comment or the like) to give a hint as to his role. Hitting a heavy hitter still makes no sense as it outs a scum role day 1. If he were to use it and missfire day 2 or 3 on someone the thread considered mafia then he'd get away scott free, but not day 1. | ||
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On March 13 2013 07:13 marvellosity wrote: ... you were smurfing and for almost the whole first day you spoke in Vayesh speak. Are you really equating how you play as Vayesh, when you speak in 3rd person and speak in riddles, with how you play under this username? Seriously? and the person I am roleplaying as makes total sense to do what I am doing. | ||
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On March 13 2013 07:17 HiroPro wrote: i dont like prplz case. from what i have seen bc spends a lot of time looking to punish bad play or things he doesnt like even if they arent about finding mafia. look at lviii where he says to kill palmar even thoufh clearly town and then later in obs qt says he did it just cause he thought palmars play was antitown. if bc just keeps spending his time saying same things over and over about yamato then kill him but otherwise look at his other stuff i say. bc tell us about people other than yamto and ver. i already know what you say about them. you are familar with supersoft? what do you think of him. supersoft is being a tard as per normal. People who should be looked at currently not counting myself are marv and VE. Basically anyone in the thread right now should be getting reads primarily on Me vivax yamato foolishness marv Ve Other cases have been mentioned but we are the ones everyone should be analyzing in detail right now. All of us are guilty of both good and bad play this game that could mean we are scum or not. VE is based on performance looks the most town of this group however. | ||
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On March 13 2013 07:24 marvellosity wrote: That's your contention, sure, but as far as I can see you're just pushing people who don't post. Don't say it's an "outright lie" that I'm able to find you town Day 1 and then make a comparison to a game I wasn't even playing where you were trolling under a smurf. That's just ridiculous. disagree. Even as trolling as a smurf I still pushed my own reads and when I had to broke my roleplay. Posting style can change, major pattern didnt. I don't need to make stupidly large posts to state my opinions. People may listen to them more then but if I don't feel like posting large blocks of texts or yelling at people for 20 pages i'm not going to. I have not done anything this game that would make it hard to determine my alignment if you were able to actually pin me 100% day 1. | ||
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On March 13 2013 07:27 VisceraEyes wrote: I guess Ver absent from that list because of how shockingly little there is to analyze? Ver is scum in my opinion but given no one is talking about him, nor is he talking its pretty hard for anyone to focus on him. | ||
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On March 13 2013 07:27 HiroPro wrote: i cannot find eact quote its too big search on phoen but i definetly remember 100% he said that diddnt matter if palmar dropped town tells or if other people knew he was town best to just kill him. http://quicktopic.com/48/H/YwLMP7ia2me post 68 by me. hiro is correct here, marv is not. For those who want to know what i said it is this: and yes boson if I couldn't find someone i was 100% certain was red and knew that a town player was being detrimental to the town and had the ability to influence lynches I would push for their lynch. Based on their bad play you can easily analyze them and get them lynched and also remove a toxic influence from the game that no one will blame you for if he flips town. Palmar should be getting shot or lynched tommorrow based on his play . | ||
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On March 13 2013 05:25 marvellosity wrote: yes. you could well be right. At least i haven't got good reasons to call him town, and normally a town-BC has given me those reasons by now. thats the post by the way. Do you say 100% no. But the connotation that goes with it does suggest it. | ||
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On March 13 2013 07:35 marvellosity wrote: you did also repeatedly call him mafia and fakeclaim DT to call him mafia, BC. Yes, but I was also lynched day 1 no? Pretty sure I'm allowed to attempt risky gambles like that given i was attempting to save town from being retarded. | ||
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On March 13 2013 07:40 marvellosity wrote: no, it suggests exactly how VE said it and exactly how it's written. That you've given me reasons to think you're town. Like, it literally says those very words and that is exactly how it was meant. Why is this hard to grasp? Because I know you use varying levels analyzing someone. "leans town, could be town, likely town" Or obvious the opposite. Perhaps its also because one of my best town tells was already posted in this thread by someone and ignored by all. Realistically I don't care why you dislike how I interpret things. | ||
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On March 13 2013 07:47 marvellosity wrote: most of my townreads are in that list. oh vivax. hes got some of my town reads some of my mafia reads. Seems decent mixed list tbh | ||
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On March 19 2013 12:40 HiroPro wrote: too good man. you were onto Ver, had to do it. incidentally, I'm still kind of annoyed that Ver didn't talk to anyone in our team at all or tell us his role -_- like I don't know if he actually didn't check his role PM or was just ridiculously busy or what but sigh. I knew i was getting shot. Didnt think id eat a roleblock too =( | ||
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On March 19 2013 12:48 Mocsta wrote: ditto that woulda backfired so badly mainly cos we lose a KP I had such an epic move. bus would off one of your team confirm me and foolishness. Likely confirm marv and then I was already quickly onto austin and acro. I was going to do such great things =( | ||
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On March 19 2013 13:35 Mocsta wrote: Mafia did a good job of ensuring the chaotic townies remained chaotic yes town imploded, but mafia created "plausible" scenarios for the atmosphere to remain like that at least in my opinion Town really didn't have a horrible day 1. Lynched third party, killed a trolling player who was cluttering thread. There were a ton of things bad with day 1 but it was the towns most successful day. Mafia did do well ensuring town kept pushing bad choices but had a single player gone out of their way to just filter dive a few of you would have been caught. However by day 3 it really didnt matter | ||
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On March 20 2013 01:05 austinmcc wrote: Just got through obs QT, BC too baws. BC, can I ask why you were scummy on me before D3? I would agree that we all went wonky going for the flawless and did a bad job of outing ourselves, but you were on my case before that? I feel like I absolutely didn't comment on my teammates, which may have outed me, and also that I posted things like thread police posts, but didn't fully back them up by trying to organize town. D3 and beyond I don't think I scummed well, but I thought I'd been alright before that point. <3 reading gonzaw's obs posts. Really wish gonzaw or BH would have been real roles, they'd have been quite fun to get. sorry kita for not following through and going full troll at the end of D3. But at least I stayed true to your personality and SOMEHOW DID NOT GET ELECTED WHILE RUNNING FOR MAYOR UNOPPOSED. It was almost too perfect  Also, I gotta know whether crossfire actually got his rb message or not. I was so proud to FINALLY get to post that video, because the stupid commercial song plays in my head every time I read a post of his. Overall, I guess enough has been said of how this game played out. From D2 onwards, we really just sat back and did some very minor pushing of buttons and let the thread go where it was going. I'm not certain whether that was a great call from us, would be interested in hearing thoughts from folks who weren't mafia this game. Apart from us all getting lazy D3 and pushing for the flawless, anything MAJOR that we slipped up in doing as a team? I forget which post originally tipped me to you but It had a feeling of "off" Then I watched you and acro move through the thread doing near nothing but fueling the fire that vivax/marv had created. Given that You have been playing for awhile I was like "huh, even if austin was having an off game as town, hes not tunneling people and thus has no reason to only be looking into these obvious townies / ignoring the possibility DP/ver was red off of marvs check" From there it was a every post you made the more sure I was as you kept doing the same thing. However its extremely hard to catch what you were doing given near no townie was looking at any reads aside from marv's basically. Everyone sheeped and no one added real new content at any regular interval or attempted to really stop the spam. Gave mafia the perfect way to blend in without ever really being caught unless someone sat back and took a fresh perspective on the thread. | ||
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On March 20 2013 04:41 austinmcc wrote: Ah, thanks. Fueling the fire was definitely what I was trying to do, will have to work on hiding it better or just doing more than only that. This was the first game where I've had a scumteam to interact with and worry about, not yet comfortable with how to play around scumbuddies. Especially the DP/ver bit (I don't think I even MENTIONED DP, and certainly not after a point, because I didn't see any way around calling him scum and it seemed like we could win without having to lynch him). It is a hard thing to realize you could be doing more when the tactic your using is doing so well. Again it was something near no one noticed so you did extremely well at it. I think it was only obvious to me given that I was dead and able to take more time thinking about posts people made compared to the slaving through it that everyone else had to. | ||
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On March 20 2013 04:56 austinmcc wrote: You note that I've played for a bit now (and have off games). I know I feel that I have particularly bad reads when looking at new players, or some players that I've been in a few games with but just can't a good feel for. Would this just be less-telling-but-probably-scummy had I been newer? Its something I would have had to analyze more had you been newer. Much like you I find players who have established themselves in a way easier to read as they don't change their style as much. They might get better reads / analytical skills but overall once you have say 10ish games under your belt of mafia or town you tend to have a "style" you gravitate towards. It was overall that your play to my eye felt not at all like the town you I expect to see. Quality of reads doesn't bother me so much as we all have good / bad ones. However seeing someone sheep marv so hard when marv was so obviously on tilt is odd. | ||
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On March 20 2013 05:07 Acrofales wrote: Yeah, that's kinda what I was going for. I thought I had more of a balance of scumhunting going, but really I was happy to poke Vivax and question Marv about why exactly Foolishness was scum for most of the game. I will immediately admit that austin did a better job than I did. But then again, I always get called by some people, so I wasn't too worried. Oh, and @Promethelax: I do respect you, otherwise I wouldn't say that. EDIT: Also, I knew my position on DP in D3 was not gonna hold up under scrutiny for long. I had him as my primary scumspect for almost the whole game, but never actually wanted to lynch him. If DP had ever gotten lynched I may well have gotten caught on that, but we did a good job of stalling the lynch. I can't believe HiroPro's roleclaim actually worked. I was quite angry at him in the QT for screwing with the status quo. I primarily nailed you on not bringing anything solid to the thread while making sure to keep active. Like near all of your posts were fueling a fire or "scumhunting". Its one of those things that your posts made way more sense as a mafia than as a town given that you had basically 0 heat and were obviously not emotionally invested in tunneling people. The few names you did rhyme out to my eye was like "wuh? but xfire, or foolishness, or yamato, etc... are so more town than scum and your reasoning sucked grrr" I give you guys insane props though. You guys really did do a good job keeping the few players that could stomp on you preoccupied / shot the ones who could potentially have nailed you. Rb on me was not what I expected in the least. Figured i had goaded a bullet out of you but not the rb ;p | ||
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On March 20 2013 05:12 austinmcc wrote: All makes sense. Thanks for the advice here, and for the posts from both you and foolishness in obs. not a problem. I find playing as scum a very fun change of pace given my style. I know its not the easiest thing for everyone to do but I really enjoy taking control of the town and getting them to move at my pace / will for as long as possible. You guys did this differently then I would have likely but the end result and the willingness to try and improve are what matters in the long run. | ||
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On March 20 2013 05:21 austinmcc wrote: I didn't make the long journey back to the start of scum QT, but I feel like we laid out a couple options and ended up just wanting you dead. Bus driver was not expected, but we wanted to shut down anything your role might have as far as keeping you up. Yeah, some lessons learned. My only scum games before were Aperture 2 with HiroPro, where we lost our third member on the first day with Hiro providing a key vote to lynch him, so I never had to deal with a scummy-looking teammate, and then CT where I replaced in and things were already going way downhill for scum. I know it's a bit different in a themed game than a normal, but nice to get a more full idea of what it's like playing from the start with a full team. Given how dodgy my town performance is past day 2 I am surprised at how much people fear me now -_- I honestly don't think my town play is very strong but you guys keep shooting me d1 lol On day 1 the only one of your team I had correctly pinned was ver and given that he was not performing or helping you guys in the least letting him die / finding a way to take credit for that death would have made 1-2 of you look amazing (note I have purposely arranged town kp / role use on killing a inactive mafia before as a gf). | ||
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