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On March 12 2013 16:05 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 15:47 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 12 2013 15:37 Mocsta wrote:On March 12 2013 15:35 Oatsmaster wrote:Still pretty sure Vivax is scum. Also that means that Foolishness is scum, which is hilarious  Why does Vivax = scum => Foolishness MUST = scum? Cause I would assume that he is good enough to not try and defend someone who is scum/not so townie. Like if he read the two filters and called them different when in actual fact they are the same. Its kinda like if a chicken farmer tells you his chickens are fine, but in actual fact they arent, you know that the chicken farmer knew too and was lying to you. hmm.. well you can only have one lynch a cycle. With the information currently, do you prefer foolishness or vivax?
Vivax ALL THE WAY.
Actually I dont know why Foolishness defended Vivax just by a short few lines of meta. Seems weird considering he wanted to lynch him earlier.
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On March 12 2013 16:13 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 16:10 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 12 2013 16:05 Mocsta wrote:On March 12 2013 15:47 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 12 2013 15:37 Mocsta wrote:On March 12 2013 15:35 Oatsmaster wrote:Still pretty sure Vivax is scum. Also that means that Foolishness is scum, which is hilarious  Why does Vivax = scum => Foolishness MUST = scum? Cause I would assume that he is good enough to not try and defend someone who is scum/not so townie. Like if he read the two filters and called them different when in actual fact they are the same. Its kinda like if a chicken farmer tells you his chickens are fine, but in actual fact they arent, you know that the chicken farmer knew too and was lying to you. hmm.. well you can only have one lynch a cycle. With the information currently, do you prefer foolishness or vivax? Vivax ALL THE WAY. Actually I dont know why Foolishness defended Vivax just by a short few lines of meta. Seems weird considering he wanted to lynch him earlier. I was gone and made an accusation based on what I skimmed through the thread at the time. Then when I came back to push the case further I realized I was wrong when I analyzed him. Which should be obvious given that I gave the proof.
So who is scum Foolishness?
I just think its not really a very useful defense honestly. It doesnt really help Vivax and all it does is make you look good.
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On March 12 2013 18:33 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 16:10 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 12 2013 16:05 Mocsta wrote:On March 12 2013 15:47 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 12 2013 15:37 Mocsta wrote:On March 12 2013 15:35 Oatsmaster wrote:Still pretty sure Vivax is scum. Also that means that Foolishness is scum, which is hilarious  Why does Vivax = scum => Foolishness MUST = scum? Cause I would assume that he is good enough to not try and defend someone who is scum/not so townie. Like if he read the two filters and called them different when in actual fact they are the same. Its kinda like if a chicken farmer tells you his chickens are fine, but in actual fact they arent, you know that the chicken farmer knew too and was lying to you. hmm.. well you can only have one lynch a cycle. With the information currently, do you prefer foolishness or vivax? Vivax ALL THE WAY. Actually I dont know why Foolishness defended Vivax just by a short few lines of meta. Seems weird considering he wanted to lynch him earlier. Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 16:10 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 12 2013 16:05 Mocsta wrote:On March 12 2013 15:47 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 12 2013 15:37 Mocsta wrote:On March 12 2013 15:35 Oatsmaster wrote:Still pretty sure Vivax is scum. Also that means that Foolishness is scum, which is hilarious  Why does Vivax = scum => Foolishness MUST = scum? Cause I would assume that he is good enough to not try and defend someone who is scum/not so townie. Like if he read the two filters and called them different when in actual fact they are the same. Its kinda like if a chicken farmer tells you his chickens are fine, but in actual fact they arent, you know that the chicken farmer knew too and was lying to you. hmm.. well you can only have one lynch a cycle. With the information currently, do you prefer foolishness or vivax? Vivax ALL THE WAY. Actually I dont know why Foolishness defended Vivax just by a short few lines of meta. Seems weird considering he wanted to lynch him earlier. so you are sure Viv is scum why then attack the other bum? Votes were almost tied it was six to five but your vote was on Bugs the dumb.
Sleeping Dumbo. Also why not kill bugs since they are both scum anyway.
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On March 12 2013 19:32 Vivax wrote: If anything it can't be explained how marv and Hiro were so sure that the announcement made Kurumi confirmed town. They couldn't know where it came from, but they could know that Kurumi was indeed town.
Because it came from the hosts? Hosts dont lie, unless they are Caller.
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Prp is a good vig shot, Useless prp is scum prp. Also Vivax, how sure are you that Foolishness is town? Also directing blue roles is utterly NOT COOL.
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I said he is a good shot, like 5 other people. big whoop. You are basically asking for protection, for a person you arent even sure of as town.
Defending mislynchable townies isnt a towntell at all. Any player could do it. Also why the fuck does he also wanting to lynch your target a town tell? Again all these things just make you feel good. *Oh foolishness is defending me he must be town. Oh he is voting for the same person Im voting for? OH MY I JUST LED FOOLISHNESS ONTO A LYNCH!!!!* so yeah.
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On March 12 2013 22:13 Acrofales wrote: Read back up to page 25, this time taking notes. Will be catching up today and you'll have all my thoughts by the end of the day.
For now I can say that Vivax entered the thread in an extremely wishy washy manner. Seemed like he wanted to lynch lurkers, but was afraid of saying so. This seems completely out of wack with his town meta, where he ALWAYS says whatever he wants.
Supersoft also tried his hardest to not step on anybody's toes. He "agreed" with Iamp's post, but when questioned about it, disagreed with calling VE scum. Effectively that means he disagreed with Iamp's post.
Also, a little bit about the lynch: if Vivax is scum, then there is almost guaranteed to be scum who refused to leave the WBG wagon. If he's town, then it's completely up in the air where scum ended up. Given what I think of Vivax's entry into the thread, I like the Vivax=scum theory. I will pay special attention to this list: Oatsmaster, Mocsta, austinmcc, iamperfection and prplhz.
Heading to the office. Will continue reading and analysing there.
Why am I on that list? Also seriously that list has no vets. Why? Also what happened to risk.nuke? I thought you had misgivens about him. 0
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On March 12 2013 22:21 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 22:12 Oatsmaster wrote: I said he is a good shot, like 5 other people. big whoop. You are basically asking for protection, for a person you arent even sure of as town.
Defending mislynchable townies isnt a towntell at all. Any player could do it. Also why the fuck does he also wanting to lynch your target a town tell? Again all these things just make you feel good. *Oh foolishness is defending me he must be town. Oh he is voting for the same person Im voting for? OH MY I JUST LED FOOLISHNESS ONTO A LYNCH!!!!* so yeah.
Oh it's cool you know I'm town 
Oh its cool that you totally ignored the meat of that message and choosed to focus on the littlest bit in your favor. Cute.
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On March 12 2013 22:27 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 22:24 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 12 2013 22:21 Vivax wrote:On March 12 2013 22:12 Oatsmaster wrote: I said he is a good shot, like 5 other people. big whoop. You are basically asking for protection, for a person you arent even sure of as town.
Defending mislynchable townies isnt a towntell at all. Any player could do it. Also why the fuck does he also wanting to lynch your target a town tell? Again all these things just make you feel good. *Oh foolishness is defending me he must be town. Oh he is voting for the same person Im voting for? OH MY I JUST LED FOOLISHNESS ONTO A LYNCH!!!!* so yeah.
Oh it's cool you know I'm town  Oh its cool that you totally ignored the meat of that message and choosed to focus on the littlest bit in your favor. Cute. You scumslipped you don't have me as town in your reads. Shoot Oats or lynch him tomorrow
Again kinda cute. But its getting old.
I am assuming you are town in that paragraph because you have given foolishness a town read cause you are town. So from the perspective that you displayed, I am saying why its totally wrong. Any other 'scumslips'?
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On March 12 2013 22:42 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 22:35 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 12 2013 22:27 Vivax wrote:On March 12 2013 22:24 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 12 2013 22:21 Vivax wrote:On March 12 2013 22:12 Oatsmaster wrote: I said he is a good shot, like 5 other people. big whoop. You are basically asking for protection, for a person you arent even sure of as town.
Defending mislynchable townies isnt a towntell at all. Any player could do it. Also why the fuck does he also wanting to lynch your target a town tell? Again all these things just make you feel good. *Oh foolishness is defending me he must be town. Oh he is voting for the same person Im voting for? OH MY I JUST LED FOOLISHNESS ONTO A LYNCH!!!!* so yeah.
Oh it's cool you know I'm town  Oh its cool that you totally ignored the meat of that message and choosed to focus on the littlest bit in your favor. Cute. You scumslipped you don't have me as town in your reads. Shoot Oats or lynch him tomorrow Again kinda cute. But its getting old. I am assuming you are town in that paragraph because you have given foolishness a town read cause you are town. So from the perspective that you displayed, I am saying why its totally wrong. Any other 'scumslips'? Well let's put the scumslip aside for now then and affront your argument: I think Foolishness is town and your argument is not going to change anything about it, if you think I'm scum then why are you trying to dissuade me from saying Foolishness is town?
Because my argument is wrong? But it isnt.
Im trying to convince people that foolishness is scum, you are people right? Also to not fucking waste night actions on him.
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Cause foolishness has done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. other than defend you. and vote for crossfire. But he didnt actually push anything, do anything remotely townie. Nope. Just derped around like a newbie. Is Foolishness a newbie? No.
1. Foolishness is not the best potential town player. 2. Foolishness doesnt look like town.
How do you get to the point where he should be protected?
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On March 12 2013 23:10 Vivax wrote: There is another option I didn't think through and it's that I read crossfire as slight town early, Foolishness repeatedly said that he didn't analyse him yet as he did me and yamato so if crossfire is scum then it would kinda make sense for scum Foolish to want to keep me around since if crossfire flips then I'd be a logical next step.
On the other hand after I flip town cause of that Foolish would look better for defending me early.
So yeah maybe I'm a bit too fast on the Foolish read but I found his defense of me townie since I would have been a good mislynch candidate as well, if he kept pushing me together with marv and VE he could have gotten me killed but he didn't.
I'll stick with town though cause there are scummier people than Foolish and losing him as town early is too big of a risk, if he's scum we will find out later anyway he's not the guy who can allow himself to make too many mistakes as town without being at danger of lynch.
Too many assumptions.
Ok who are the 5 people scummier than Foolish then? Cause I assume at least 5 scum players.
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On March 12 2013 23:19 austinmcc wrote: marv, let's argue.
It seems like every time you think someone who is well-respected for scumhunting is out to get you, you decide they're scum. I decide you're being an idiot and overreacting. Then palmar flips scum in ... Rock Band? And Foolishness flips scum in Parallel.
So, you've got the track record here. Do you actually think this is a strategy that would be continued? I don't see why, especially as it didn't work well for Foolishness before, he would do the same thing 2 months later.
So foolishness is town cause once bitten, twice shy. Nothing else makes him town?
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Austin why did your last post say ABSOLUTELY NOTHING?
Reads pl0x.
Or are you scum, Hmm.
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Austin why did your last post say ABSOLUTELY NOTHING?
Reads pl0x.
Or are you scum, Hmm. (I dont have read on Austin Vivax. )
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1 question.
Where the fuck is Iamp.
Vivax stop your fucking personal issues with marv and play the damn game. Show us why he is scum without resorting to personal attacks or find another player to harrass.
You never answered 5 scumspects over Foolishness. Ok Who are the 5 people that are scummier than Foolishness, since you said your town read on him was based on elimination.
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On March 13 2013 01:57 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2013 01:48 Acrofales wrote:I just got done reading most of the fall-out from Yamato's shot and I think everybody who calls Yamato scum for it is either terrible or scum. Why the fuck would a scum Yamato use an anonymous vig-shot to shoot a confirmed townie and then own up to it. They could have used that power to take out some superpowered veteran with no fear of a medic, but instead use it to kill someone who was shitting up the thread. Yes, it was a fucking stupid move to shoot a modconfirmed townie. However, that doesn't make it scummy. SnB said this completely correctly. Vivax, Cora, Sloosh, VE all fail to see this, or are scum using it to try to wagon what looks at the time to be an easy mislynch. Out of these, I like Cora the least, but I'll keep reading. + Show Spoiler [brief thoughts on cora] + Cora's early game was to attack Yamato based on meta. This from a player who I distinctly recall saying all meta cases are terrible in Duel mafia. He then gets extremely paranoid about dying when Kurumi posts fake shots in the vote thread, and is extremely defensive about his contributions this game, which, at the time were minimal.
Finally, when mocsta points out some stuff he thought was scummy, Cora uses some terrible misdirection to deflect the case, by saying Mocsta was just piggybacking on other people's thoughts. Not everything has to be an original thought, and if other people had good ideas, a townie SHOULD use them.
Regardless of whether it was original or not, the deflection seems like a guilty conscience trying to wiggle out from explaining something he had no town explanation for.
Acro your best point you hid in the spoiler! This from a player who I distinctly recall saying all meta cases are terrible in Duel mafiaI'd completely forgotten this. Witness: Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 00:13 cDgCorazon wrote: 3. When I get home from school (in a few hours), I am going to re-read the pages with the whole go around between the TL veterans (basically everyone but the lurkers, me, Adam, Yamato, and Dieno). It's hard to follow because you guys just sit around and call each other scum/town based on each other's metas, which in all honesty is kind of pointless. Metas can change at any point, and players can use their meta from one side or another to conscientiously give others a town read based on their meta. Don't read too much into them (which I'm afraid you guys are doing right now). I'm not saying that all of it has been meta talk, but I've seen way too much meta talk thrown around. This game, witness (spoilered for length) + Show Spoiler +On March 10 2013 14:02 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2013 13:44 yamato77 wrote:On March 10 2013 13:43 cDgCorazon wrote:On March 10 2013 13:41 yamato77 wrote:On March 10 2013 13:40 cDgCorazon wrote:On March 10 2013 13:39 yamato77 wrote:On March 10 2013 13:37 VisceraEyes wrote: That would be...the most disappointing ever. Wtf is this post English too hard Don't post stupid shit about grammar. Who is scum Yamato? Your meta tends to be that everyone should have the scum team down 100% five minutes in the game. Have you found the scumteam yet? You're a buzzkill Not fighting with aggressive people this game just finding mafia So you have backed off of your position on this from N0 of Duel Mafia? What position are you talking about? I think you've played with me once for a full game, and you think you know EXACTLY how I play? Lol. The position I'm talking about is when you basically accused me of having no scum reads 3 hours into Duel Mafia and basically told me that I needed to have 100% scum reads 3 hours into the game or I am scum. I know a general feeling of how you play. You're aggressive as town. You don't give a fuck if you die or not, as long as your top scumread dies with you: Show nested quote +On March 05 2013 12:56 yamato77 wrote: Let the double lynch [Yamato and Hapa] happen
I doubt Hapa flipping mafia would change Adam's mind about me anyway, and I don't really want to be in another one of these things. The fact that you have decided to back way down from posts like this and play more passive is a bit suspicious. However, I'm going to assume the personality of whoever you are is influencing your play right now. I'll take a look later to see what kind of Yamato (or whoever you are) is going to come into town. Meta! On March 10 2013 15:36 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2013 15:29 Crossfire99 wrote:On March 10 2013 15:16 yamato77 wrote: You haven't done anything, precisely. You must be walkin' on a slant if you think you dun somethin' so far. Yamato's already playing way too far away from his town meta for me to be comfortable. Meta! On March 10 2013 16:41 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2013 16:39 yamato77 wrote: Your argument is that I'm scum because I refused to argue with you.
Not exactly a strong one. No, it's the fact that you are not playing as abrasive as your usual town meta is.So Yamato, let me get this straight: You called me out in Duel Mafia for not having scum reads AND You're calling me out now for having a scumread. Please bow down to your King and tell me what I am missing. Meta!
Well tbh, he did use a meta case a little while later on Syl, he was town in Duel. So this may not be entirely accurate.
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On March 13 2013 02:08 VisceraEyes wrote: Oats what are your thoughts on the hyperveterans? I'm referring here to BC, Ver and Foolishness. Just your objective, gut response is all I'm after here, I'm not asking you to reread them and give me full reads.
Ver is town I think, cause I think as scum he would give more of a fuck Like his activity goes beyond lurking, this is just inactivity.
BC is also town same as ^^, also he seems to want to pick fights with everyone when he does post. I wish he would play the game though :/
Foolishness is probably scum for lying about Marv and 180ing in a horrible way. Also defended Vivax for no reason.
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On March 13 2013 02:11 VisceraEyes wrote: What do you make of the fact that Ver is claiming he hasn't read his role PM? And how does this affect your assessment that "he'd give more of a fuck"?
Nah Im pretty sure he was kidding.
No one can resist the yellow. NO ONE.
WIFOM INCOMING
Also IIRC he posted less than 5 posts. As town I could imagine him thinking, oh shit what a horrible mess. I can barely read it, its gonna have to wait until I have more time. As scum he would probably just post stuff I would think, as he knows that his inactivity would quickly wear out his welcome, and so as to not be under suspicion.
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These are the only 3 posts by Foolishness about yamato.
On March 12 2013 09:40 Foolishness wrote: I'm sold.
##Unvote: Vivax ##Vote: Yamato77
On March 12 2013 09:44 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 09:41 strongandbig wrote: damn really? what am i missing here Actually, yamato makes a lot of sense. He's more trolly and abrasive when he's mafia. When I say that, I mean he's direct about his insults: "you're an asshat", etc. Refer to Fruity Mini Mafia to see this in action (when he's mafia). In Town Ain't Big Enough Mafia, he was town, and while his posting rate was the same, he wasn't as abrasive and didn't swear as much. More importantly, in that game he was actually helpful and contributing.
On March 12 2013 18:20 Foolishness wrote: Mafia don't need to create multiple wagons if none of them are under pressure. From what I see bugs was always top candidate and not many people were hard against his lynch. I don't really think there's much to gather from the lynch. If there were last minute swings and people sheeping on bandwagons sure, but meh from yesterday's lynch.
I still 100% support a yamato lynch. I am also on board a crossfire lynch. I was skeptical of him at first, but after seeing his reactions right before and after the lynch I will gladly kill him (I haven't thoroughly analyzed him like I have yamato or Vivax though).
I dont really call this pushing.
Also the switch to yamato comes at a time where the momentum was shifting to lynch yamato cause of his stupid play.
However I would think that Foolishness knows to lynch scum and not stupid, and what yamato did was the epitome of a stupid play, not a scummy play.
So I dont agree that Foolishness did ANYTHING.
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