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Acro, I'd prefer to kill one of DP or slOosh. slOosh has no satisfactory reply to this, rather saying he'd prefer to not argue with the guy who he wants to lynch.
On March 17 2013 02:02 marvellosity wrote:
Here's how it is slOosh.
supersoft, Dandel, Promethelax, iamperfection, strongandbig and whoever else I'm forgetting believed Foolish to be certain mafia.
You said you went back and reread what I wrote and agreed with what I wrote about Foolish, and agreed with what I said about Corazon.
And you're calling me mafia.
Is this about right?
Unfortunately for him everything in this post is 100% correct.
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On March 17 2013 21:29 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 21:26 marvellosity wrote:On March 17 2013 21:21 DarthPunk wrote:On March 17 2013 21:17 marvellosity wrote:On March 17 2013 21:15 DarthPunk wrote:On March 17 2013 21:12 marvellosity wrote:On March 17 2013 21:10 DarthPunk wrote:On March 17 2013 21:07 marvellosity wrote:
P.S. I have not been wrong 'multiple' times, I was wrong (in a major fashion) once. I was right about Corazon, I was right about bugs not being town, I was right with all my townreads so far. You are wrong about me, who the fuck knows about cora. and getting foolishness that spectacularly wrong counts for two. Getting a player wrong THAT EVERYONE AGREED ON counts for 2? What is this fucking ridiculous hyperbole? You forced the issue, we both know it. You pushed so hard and screamed so loudly that we either had to for vote you or foolishness and everything else got crushed under the weight of all that noise. Everyone came down on my side supersoft the confirmed town who isn't weak and caves to noone came down on my side after rereading both our filters don't try and bullshit and say "it counts for 2". that's just you inflating things for absolutely no reason. Pretty scummy I would say. I got Foolishness wrong, and that's what you can say about it. "It counts for 2" is one of the stupidest things I've seen in this entire thread yet, and we have Vivax playing so that's saying something. Lol another throwaway remark responding to nothing meaning nothing makes me scum because you don't like it. The damage from getting foolishness wrong was enlarged because of the way that it dominated all of day 2 and lots of people listened to you because of your rep. I know I did.Anyway this is counter productive and I refuse to shit up the thread today as well. We are not going to agree. ##Vote: Marvellosity Oats I'll read sloosh's filter later tonight after I spend some time on my other game. I thought the cop check that you never mentioned and somehow you didn't know was unreliable was why you voted Fool. My mistake...... And when I found out it was completely useless I sheeped you because you are you. You know that because it is in my filter which you have read. Stop making things seem to be something they are not. Actually forget it. This is pointless and I refuse to engage with your blatantly misleading one liners.
Yes, you very specifically said you were sheeping marv.
You didn't say you were sheeping marv's cop check, oh no. Only me.
Somehow you manage to never mention the cop check, which is why you were so convinced to vote Foolishness. Somehow you just never mentioned it... all you mention is that you're reading the cases, that you're sheeping me... but you're never citing the cop check. Funny.
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DarthPunk's claim on why he voted for Foolishness is this:
On March 16 2013 23:58 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 23:56 marvellosity wrote:
Just to make it clear in 2 bullet points
- yesterday DP read the posts on Foolish and found them so convincing that it was so easy to vote for him
- today he finds them as enlightening as a quagmire
No. If you want the truth. The reason it was so easy is because the opposing cop checked was mentioned in something I read. And I did not yet know that you had to declare it until I read through a heap more things. I had been in the game 3 hours at that point but when someone says opposing cop checks and you are town it suddenly becomes really easy.
I invite you, the reader, to look at his filter and decide for yourself if this is the case. I will provide below what I believe to be the relevant quotes, but if you believe me to be evil twisty mafia, I encourage you to check for yourself.
On March 15 2013 01:43 DarthPunk wrote:
Hey marv. I am not going to get through everything I need to and as it's 4am I am rather tired. Could you be a dear and link me your case on foolishness and the main rebuttal?
On March 15 2013 01:48 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2013 01:44 marvellosity wrote:On March 15 2013 01:43 DarthPunk wrote:
Hey marv. I am not going to get through everything I need to and as it's 4am I am rather tired. Could you be a dear and link me your case on foolishness and the main rebuttal? The case on Foolish as it stands is littered across all my posts, and Hiro's posts, in the thread. Foolish's main post is about page 131. My rebuttal to half of it is a few pages ago. Thanks!
On March 15 2013 01:56 DarthPunk wrote:
That was really easy once I found the relevant posts.
##Vote: Foolishness
Note well here. Relevant posts, plural. One would think a cop check was only one post or mention. Heyo.
On March 15 2013 11:14 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2013 11:05 Vivax wrote:On March 15 2013 11:02 DarthPunk wrote:
Yeah I actually have to agree with VIVAX on it being doubtful that corazon would try and kill himself as scum day 2. Not only is that against every instinct you have as scum. which is generally SURVIVE! SURVIVE! But I am sure his scummer friends would have something to say about him being suicidal.
The timing to say this is pretty scummy given you've almost not been pushing anything this day. The timing to say this is scummy if Cora flips town, that is. Regardless of the timing, It is true. As for not pushing anything, well I have only read 52 pages of a 160+ plus game I am not nearly up to speed. There is an almost certain lynch on foolishness that I am pretty much sheeping marv on while I catch up so I don't see the value in pushing anything whilst I am as ill informed as I am currently and certainly don't feel the need to do so just to keep up appearances. That said if something so basic as the fact that scum don't generally try to kill themselves when, in fact, killing themselves is an antithesis to their very purpose in the game comes along; I don't feel the need to not state my agreement with it simply because the circumstances of my arrival have prevented me from contributing much prior to that
On March 15 2013 11:16 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2013 11:07 Promethelax wrote:On March 15 2013 11:02 DarthPunk wrote:
Yeah I actually have to agree with VIVAX on it being doubtful that corazon would try and kill himself as scum day 2. Not only is that against every instinct you have as scum. which is generally SURVIVE! SURVIVE! But I am sure his scummer friends would have something to say about him being suicidal.
Hey oldest friend who I've missed This post is shit You add nothing at all To the Marv/fool brawl Could you give me a read list? I think yamato is town. I think marv is probably town and I am sheeping marv while I catch up.
If any of you can find a shred of evidence in any of this that DP was voting for Foolish because of the check like he claimed, I'm all ears.
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For those of you who believe I'm town - Vivax is probably the lynch you can be least sure about, just because of how nuts he is. I still think he's mafia but meh.
Look at what DP is saying about his vote for Fool, look at slOosh's reasons to vote for me, hell look at Crossfire, but I don't think Vivax is the strongest lynch today.
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On March 17 2013 08:46 prplhz wrote:
marv tell me why you wont roleclaim and don't say "lol sod off" because that's no reason
think about why you roleclaimed vigilante in Rock Band and stop asking me the same question over and over again bish <3
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you think DP actually isn't bullshitting about this stuff then?!
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Vivax just seems like a risky lynch at this stage. Should've let Stutters shoot him :<
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*whispers* I think that's bad new Oats.
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On March 17 2013 22:18 Mocsta wrote:
its not that DP is bullshitting. its just.. i feel more certain with sl0osh or vivax
+ with the tunnel on foolishness, im not sure if you repeating with "ver"
Because I got someone wrong doesn't suddenly make everything I say invalid. All I ever ask when I post these things is for people to think for themselves about it. As in, do *you*, Mocsta, genuinely believe DP conveniently managed to forget ever mentioning the cop-check, despite saying earlier that it was his reasoning for voting Foolishness? Does his filter during Day 2 read like that to you? That's what I'm asking.
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On March 17 2013 22:20 Vivax wrote:
You won the game basically, don't even know why you go through the trouble of persuading people of your innocence marv.
You won the game D3 in themed, too.
Looks like you have a tendency to roll scum in games which tend to last shortly = easy.
let's think. I made no effort in Themed... and a fuckton of (perhaps occasionally misplaced) effort in the world in this game
I wonder if same alignments, herp de derp
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On March 17 2013 22:31 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 22:20 marvellosity wrote:On March 17 2013 22:18 Mocsta wrote:
its not that DP is bullshitting. its just.. i feel more certain with sl0osh or vivax
+ with the tunnel on foolishness, im not sure if you repeating with "ver" Because I got someone wrong doesn't suddenly make everything I say invalid. All I ever ask when I post these things is for people to think for themselves about it. As in, do *you*, Mocsta, genuinely believe DP conveniently managed to forget ever mentioning the cop-check, despite saying earlier that it was his reasoning for voting Foolishness? Does his filter during Day 2 read like that to you? That's what I'm asking. Gotcha Well i know how hard it is to replace.. so i see both points of view (1) its not clear (marv) & (2) thoguhts change as you raed thread (dp) so i take it as a null point
I don't understand how you see it as null.
1) He claims that he voted for Foolish because of the cop check
2) He never once mentioned the cop check at the time as his reason for voting Foolish
I don't understand how you don't see something exceedingly, exceedingly strange here.
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On March 17 2013 22:32 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 21:56 marvellosity wrote:On March 17 2013 08:46 prplhz wrote:
marv tell me why you wont roleclaim and don't say "lol sod off" because that's no reason think about why you roleclaimed vigilante in Rock Band and stop asking me the same question over and over again bish <3 i'm not moving off of you before you roleclaim you're a prime lynch target, you're a prime night kill target, you're getting roleblocked, you have to claim anyway in order to even use your role. there is plenty of reason to claim and no reason not to so just go ahead. i think you don't have a fullclaim and now you've been so stubborn about it that you can't change your opinion anymore. also i don't think that it was good idea that i claimed vig in rock band. only thing in that game worse than my vig claim was how i was lynched for it.
As Acro said, pretty much the entirety of my role is pretty fucking obvious. You've now seen 3 of my powers, and I have 5 in total. I've also explicitly said how I have to use these powers. The fact you're still asking about this is stupid.
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I will tell you that I don't have KP and I can't self-protect.
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On March 17 2013 22:43 prplhz wrote:
marv
it just seems really odd to me that a guy with 5 powers who is clearly putting in the most effort and often gets shot on n1 would use an essentially useless power on d1.
all my powers are broadcasted so all my powers are essentially useless. I used what I thought was the strongest role on Day 1 so I'd get to use it. 3 of my powers are check-y type roles. You've seen cop day 1 and watcher today, you can guess what my 3rd check-y role is.
There's one more role besides that perhaps I should use today instead.
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On March 18 2013 01:12 HiroPro wrote:
Please. Let us kill vivax. He is almost definitely mafia. Why would no mafia try to save corazon? The answer is they wouldnt.
Vivax has played with a mafia agenda the entire game, but that's Vivax. he's always scum MVP in any game he's town. he's not the best lynch and I don't like at all that you're pushing this Hiro.
We should be lynching into Crossfire/DP/slOosh. You need to start talking about which of these are likeliest to flip mafia, because Vivax is never going to be as certain as they're going to be.
prplhz, you need to get a grip and move your vote off me.
There's 5 votes on me at the moment; 2 are extremely likely to be mafia trying to get my lynched today (DP, slOosh), one is from someone too stubborn to look somewhere else (yamato) and another is from someone too paranoid about me too see what's in front of him (austin). This leaves you, prplhz, to do something sensible.
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There seems to be more of a consensus on DP than either Crossfire or Vivax
Can the non-retards/non-mafia please organise themselves and vote DP please?
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that includes you, Crossfire, even though you could be mafia anyway.
I have no idea why everyone doesn't want to lynch slOosh by the way, but apparently that can wait for another day.
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There's only one question I want to hear the answer to.
Are you Toad, vivax?
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On March 18 2013 08:06 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 07:50 Crossfire99 wrote:
Why is marv scum? Explain in detail cause I don't see it.
marv is around at lylo. This should not be the case. EVEN IF he were town and wrong all game, he's one of the few, if not the only, remaining player who has been putting in effort and organizing town. Scum can't just rely on him being wrong forever, and if they took him out then town loses someone who puts in a ton of effort and is pushy with his votes - someone who is threatening to scum. I don't think Foolishness's case is slam-dunk, but as of today we know Foolishness was town. He was actually trying to trap marv and observe marv's reaction. I had Foolishness as scum, but we know that's not the case now. Nobody seems to be factoring this into things, but Foolishness's reads are now valid and worth considering. Some of it is personal stuff. There are some buddy-ish posts between marv and I, which I should have noticed more. Normally, if marv is town, we argue about a decent number of things. Here, I agreed with his Foolishness read, but he's been scummy on slOosh for a bit now and I've been townie. When marv is townie and I disagree with him, he's all over my ass for being an idiot (See: stupid ass LIX where marv is right about near EVERYTHING and I'm wrong about near EVERYTHING and he's calling me on it whenever I disagree with him). When marv is scum, he's often more buddyish and friendly, in my experience, at least towards me (again, this is specific-to-me stuff). We were together in a mason QT at the end of LV, friendly banter, and in Themed Mini he was kind of friendly and banter-y, although he was also just goofing off to some extent. All that explanation to say that marv has been more buddy-y with me this game than "austin is a dumbass," didn't get all up in my grill over our different slOosh reads, and ONLY started with the austin-is-an-idiot stuff today - + Show Spoiler +On March 17 2013 21:05 marvellosity wrote:
Players like austin are pretty awful and can't get a read right to save their life. austin only thinks i'm mafia when i'm town, and thinks i'm town when i'm mafia, apparently. His only comment is "mafia tricksy this game". Pathetic. He obviously has a complete inability to even understand basic meta arguments. That quote itself was kind of telling for me. I'm awful, I can't get a read right to save my life, etc. I have maybe more than my share of bad bad games, but I don't think I've played overly poorly this one. At the very least, I haven't done stupid shit yet, and that sadly counts as not overly poorly for me. But marv has only turned on that acidity NOW, not when we disagreed about stuff before, only now. Those are the sort of posts he should have been directing at me all game if he were town when we disagreed on slOosh or on cora or on other topics. Another minor thing, and maybe specific to me, is marv's reaction to this day. I remember Movie Star Mini Mafia as a game where marv and VE were at each other's throats for just about a full cycle. 1/2 the thread was them spamming attacks at each other, blah blah blah. marv was a vig and shot VE, who flipped town. marv was mopey for a while after that, because he'd been wrong, that's what he referenced earlier today when asking if I'd seen him have to regroup after being so wrong about his strongest reads/entire theory of the game. But marv's response THAT game was to go balls-to-the-wall and try to solve the game before he got NKed the next day. There was a google doc full of thoughts, reads on people, etc. etc. I forget the exact scenario, but he basically went and figured out more or less who the mafia were, and more or less specifically who the mafia RB was. Or some power role. That was like the only target that town could kill and still have a chance, it was a SK game and without that iirc the game came down to mafia vs. sk and town couldn't win. Anyhow, marv's reaction THIS game is different. I HAVE seen him go dark and be unconfident after having a strong read come up wrong. But when that happened, he popped back and basically solved the game as best he could. Here, that has NOT happened, in the least. He points to the lack of confidence, hoping I recognize that as the same as another town game, but he doesn't seem to remember that his reaction was two-part that game, and the other part is lacking here. /breath So, a bunch of little things, and then the whole glaring he's-still-alive-D3/lylo-and-scum-is-shooting-people-who-aren't-going-to-take-over-town-like-he-can.
you're a really terrible, terrible player if you think i could pull this off as mafia
i'm gonna mention it one more time, the longest filter in mafia history that i know of is my filter in hero (20) and I'm double that now. It's impossible for mafia to fake involvement for this long. Get a grip you stupid nonce. you're just waffling and paranoid and fucking stupid and you're not fucking stupid so it's very frustrating.
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On March 18 2013 08:13 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 08:06 Acrofales wrote:
I don't know what scum did. They may have shot Marv and it got DI killed. Or they roleblocked marv and shot DI.
But it means that if Marv was alive on D2, he was guaranteed to be alive on D3. So yeah, policy lynch moved up a day due to obvious protective roles being obviously protecting Marv. Lol roleblock marv and shoot DI the village idiot who becomes scum bodyguard cause he's a fanboy. Why not roleblock DI and kill marv?Or doublestack marv and instead waste a shot on a guy like DI? + Show Spoiler +On March 14 2013 23:46 Vivax wrote:Acro is more interesting but you don't talk about Acrofales at all (except lately you mention him casually as strange)Acrofales de-facto-proof that he's pushing scum agenda: Says Iamp is partially suspicious for voting Bugs. Acrofales voted Bugs with this: + Show Spoiler +On March 12 2013 07:27 Acrofales wrote:
Fine. My flight's boarding and browsing your filter it is looking like duel D1.
I like that last post showing how differently bugs plays as town from his useless defeatist attitude this game, and my vote on Ver is going nowhere. I'll get back to that tomorrow. When I get home I hope I can make a better reasoned out vote, but for now:
BAAAAAAA BAAAAAAAA
##vote wherebugsgo Show nested quote +On March 13 2013 11:37 Acrofales wrote:
*snip*
Iamperfection: not his aggressive, assertive self. Could be roleplaying, but as Marv said, town Iamperfection is so easy to read, he is almost as good as an IC. Iamp is not playing like that this game. Also voted for Bugs, but has a better reason than Mocsta.
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Yes, I realize that I have way too many scumspects. This game is impossible to read and clear up townies. I'm glad I even found 4. We kill Ver or Cora tomorrow. We kill Ver or Cora tomorrow he says. Then the D2 action with checks and nukes arises, he says he still thinks Ver is more likely scum: + Show Spoiler +On March 13 2013 22:13 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2013 21:53 marvellosity wrote:On March 13 2013 21:38 Acrofales wrote:On March 13 2013 19:36 supersoft wrote:
balancediscussion in the meantime:
These players: X Scummers among them
1. Vivax
23. Promethelax
19. iamperfection
5. HiroPro
10. austinmcc
13. Oatsmaster
14. Stutters695
15. strongandbig
18. Mocsta
21. Acrofales
22. cDgCorazon
9. Intact replaced by Dandel Ion
2. Crossfire99
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Other players: Y Scummers among them
7. marvellosity
4. risk.nuke
6. prplhz
16. slOosh
20. Ver
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17. Foolishness
- shot -
24. yamato77
X + Y = 5
X = ?
Y = ?
tell me bros I don't understand the dividing line for "balance" purposes. Is that veterans vs. scrubs? As for a list from scum -> town, I just made a list last night. Nothing has changed. given you had Foolish somewhere around null and he just shot one of your "strongest townreads", nothing changes? Foolishness was null, leaning scum yesterday and still is. The nuke is currently meaningless, as there are too many explanations for it. Until Kita or Greymist launch the nuke, I withhold reservation. Trolling about nuking Yamato fits with his playstyle this game, which is STILL better than Ver's. Even without your parity check, it makes sense for there to be a scum between the two giants in the game. If we disregard framers, that means there is 1 scum and 1 town between them. I still think Ver is the more likely scum, unless someone can point me to Foolishness being a massive troll a scum. He states : If nuke real we kill Foolishness, if not, we kill him tomorrow: + Show Spoiler +On March 14 2013 02:59 Acrofales wrote:
/facepalm
Anyway, I don't know why we are speculating about the nuke being real. If it is, we kill Foolishness. If it isn't, we kill Foolishness tomorrow. In the meantime, we should kill someone else.
SS: for a confirmed townie who is hanging around to give us guidance, you are not guiding much. Do you agree with me that Cora is scum? If not, who should we kill today? Still votes for Foolish when nukes are fake with no reasoning given, showing his previous reasons are complete bogus. Show nested quote +On March 14 2013 05:27 Acrofales wrote:
So... ok.
##vote Foolishness
Sloosh wasted a couple of hours, but comes out looking townier and Xfire also looking townier, so I'll call it a win. [/i]
BECAUSE I AM REALLY CLOSE TO GETTING LYNCHED, THAT'S WHY.
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