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On March 16 2013 03:05 austinmcc wrote:
I am curious about all this sleeper cell stuff, but probably busy with work for a few hours. Too much time on this game this week.
stutters, the message you received says it's a one-shot deal? Does it say anything about whether you remain in the cell afterward?
I know I've just been questioning him on this myself, but I'd like to postpone this discussion to Day.
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On March 16 2013 03:21 slOosh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 02:57 Oatsmaster wrote:
sloosh, think about it.
What use is a role that conceals alignment 12 hours after death only? Show nested quote +On August 24 2011 04:09 Ace wrote:On August 23 2011 19:48 Curu wrote:
Pandain/Palmar were obvious lynches if bum had flipped correctly but the Framer fucked up everything from that trail too.
Maybe you should take that up with Ver and Incog. Death Millers, or any role that flips the opposite alignment on death is generally a bad thing as the Town is going to have incorrect reads for the rest of the game [12 hours] in relation to that player. Mafia of course gets a free pass. Scaling back to 12 hours is a sensible and possible nerf. Hinting that it may be false while the OP remains true and the hosts both confirming multiple times it is true is not a sensible nerf.
What else would the hosts do? Tell us it isn't true? THINK slOosh.
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On March 16 2013 04:13 prplhz wrote:
it also seems dumb with a fool/cora/sloosh/vivax/whatever scum team because they're simply all quite vocally opposed to marv and scum usually spread out and keep a relatively low profile, instead we have a bunch of posters who are all very active in opposing marv who has this thread pretty much under control. it's silly.
yes, it is silly, and this thought has crossed my mind regularly. Still not gonna wifom myself out of lynches though.
mafia are evidently being silly. Foolishness, in his great wisdom, decided to out another scum in Corazon on the offchance that this gambit would work. He also made the same mistake 3 games running.
Now slOosh is being blindingly dumb, and I know he isn't that.
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On March 16 2013 04:22 slOosh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 04:13 prplhz wrote:
it also seems dumb with a fool/cora/sloosh/vivax/whatever scum team because they're simply all quite vocally opposed to marv and scum usually spread out and keep a relatively low profile, instead we have a bunch of posters who are all very active in opposing marv who has this thread pretty much under control. it's silly. So what's your conclusion? Are we scum?
why don't you, I don't know, read the two posts I made about Foolish, read his response, read the various things about Corazon - i.e. his blatant survival instinct, his awful tunnel, his refusal to comment on Foolishness, his 100% surety that he was going to die when the rest of the thread had no idea if Foolishness was telling the truth.
Go back and do those things, and tell me what's happening in this game.
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don't not read the thread, it's boring.
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*I* don't trust my check, austin, and I'm confirmed town to myself.
iamp is pretty consistent in wanting to lynch people, and vets especially actually, who aren't doing anything. iamperfection is the type of player who puts player on pedestals, and when they don't perform to their expectations, he wants to kill them. Themed is an easy example, from quite early on he wanted to lynch me because I wasn't doing anything.
His interest in Ver and Fool, yes both of them, seems entirely consistent with his philosophy as town.
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On March 16 2013 04:46 austinmcc wrote:
In case that quotes bit was unclear, here's what I'm getting at.
iamp N1 has both Foolishness and Ver in his scum list
marv D2 comes back with a parity check on those two as different
iamp strongly believes marv to be town
iamp continues to push both Foolishness AND Ver. He does not explain why he does not trust the check.
That's fine, in and of itself. There were a lot of comments in the thread about how the check was telegraphed, and so there could be a frame or a rb. But we know marv wasn't roleblocked (PARANOIA PARANOIA: IF HE'S TOWN (WHICH HE PROBABLY IS)). And if the checks came back different, that means a frame doesn't explain both being scum.
If both were TOWN, you could frame one, have the parity check come back different, and lynch them BOTH. Get rid of 1 of 2 big scary players that you would not want to face as scum.
But if both were SCUM, you can't frame them to make the parity check come back different. You'd need a cover ability, or a framer that specifically can do both, which MIGHT be the case. Or a gf, which MIGHT be the case.
iamp just jumps into wanting to lynch BOTH players though. Despite the parity check, despite a roleblock not occurring, despite a regular frame + the check indicating that both are actually TOWN. So he's relying on one of them being a gf or one of them being covered, but nobody is really discussing those powers and he doesn't see fit to mention. He just carries his night scum reads over to day, without taking into account a parity check that a big town read got back.
Scum. Dude scum.
what are you talking about? why are you assuming mafia can't frame one of their own?
the fact is i broadcasted my parity check and mafia did not roleblock me. it's a fairly safe assumption that they *could* have either roleblocked me or fucked with the results.
you're putting way too much stock in this.
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I find it very highly likely iamp is town.
This is a wrong road you're going down, austin.
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On March 16 2013 05:11 austinmcc wrote:
Nah, he's not number one. Foolishness and Vivax both higher up.
But there have to be more, and there are people that are flying under the radar that I am not used to doing so. Like stutters being absent, crossfire being heavily absent, business as usual. iamp feeling absent, not business as usual.
As in, I'm not sold on slOosh, prplhz gets town points for having his vote be stolen and for having some reasonable and thoughtful posts when the thread has gotten weird (response to the cora flip mainly), so I gotta keep looking.
iamp,
Timestamps. That post is like 13 hours after your foolishness/ver comment.
Why do you say this is business as usual for town Crossfire?
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On March 16 2013 05:21 FiveTouch wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 05:19 austinmcc wrote:On March 16 2013 05:18 marvellosity wrote:On March 16 2013 05:11 austinmcc wrote:
Nah, he's not number one. Foolishness and Vivax both higher up.
But there have to be more, and there are people that are flying under the radar that I am not used to doing so. Like stutters being absent, crossfire being heavily absent, business as usual. iamp feeling absent, not business as usual.
As in, I'm not sold on slOosh, prplhz gets town points for having his vote be stolen and for having some reasonable and thoughtful posts when the thread has gotten weird (response to the cora flip mainly), so I gotta keep looking.
iamp,
Timestamps. That post is like 13 hours after your foolishness/ver comment. Why do you say this is business as usual for town Crossfire? Eh? You disagree? Have you read WLIAA?
given a short while ago I was using 3 different accounts on this forum and only derped once, my record this game has been awful
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On March 16 2013 05:24 austinmcc wrote:
No, never read WLIAA all the way through, apart from checking some filters when they were relevant to other games.
Just take a browse through Crossfire's filter and look at the quality of his posts.
Remember in PU he had a mason claim in his back pocket.
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I'd just like your best case on who you want to lynch tomorrow whose name is not Foolishness.
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On March 16 2013 05:43 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 05:25 marvellosity wrote:On March 16 2013 05:24 austinmcc wrote:
No, never read WLIAA all the way through, apart from checking some filters when they were relevant to other games. Just take a browse through Crossfire's filter and look at the quality of his posts. Remember in PU he had a mason claim in his back pocket. I was about to say that PU is not good comparison material, because he was confirmed town due to mason, so he could pretty much get away with murder. In MTG2 I pegged him as scum ridiculously easily. So he has either improved his game, or he's town. On D1 he looked like scum, but on D2 he had some insightful stuff, mainly about the nukes. Lets kill the scum we know before worrying about their partners. Associations should help... and the Cora associations are untrustworthy. I tried working from the assumption that Cora is town, but I just tie myself into wifom knots where I have conflicting beliefs about Foolishness and the use of the death miller thing. The whole exercise seems pointless and I end up agreeing that we should just ignore the whole flip and work from our reads without Cora associations, at least for now. Kill Foolishness. Work from there.
No, we worry about their partners. Corazon and Foolishness are as good as confirmed mafia.
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We know how those feelings usually turn out
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By the way, one way or another I completely backed slOosh into a corner, so matter his alignment he was forced to do what he just did. I still find it quite likely he's mafia.
However we can judge him on the content he subsequently produces too.
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On March 16 2013 05:50 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 05:47 marvellosity wrote:
We know how those feelings usually turn out Well-played 
I still like to hear about your mafia-reads though. Just so far you're cycling through people I think are pretty likely to be town (Oats, iamp).
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I don't like to tell you to not be boring twice. It displeases me.
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On March 16 2013 06:17 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 06:15 strongandbig wrote:
what do people think of mocsta? I just tried reading his filter but most of it is tunneled in on corazon, and for some reason I can't convince myself that's genuine. from cursory looks over nomination and newbie 37, he looks a lot less aggro and more wordy in both of those games, so i guess he is telling the truth about going in for the roleplaying this game? Makes it hard to get a meta read though, right? that actually kind of points toward town for me, since i feel like scum would feel more pressure to try and match up to their own meta, but obviously thats a weak point Moc's posts about me SEEM genuine, but he might have just played off Cora intentionally when they were both mafia. Idk, I doubt that he's scum, but he is a possibility. His lack of interest in this game is concerning.
I agree with this assessment. Probably town, to be looked at again if other more likely options go awry.
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ok austin, I like that risk stuff a lot more. It's actually provided me with some fresh insight (no offence to your previous posts :p)
What do you make of the risk having a nuke but not nuking and not being mentioned by slOosh and all that surrounding business?
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On March 15 2013 10:30 supersoft wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2013 10:15 austinmcc wrote:
Thanks for the thoughts supersoft. Off the top of my head, questions that I have right away:
(1) Do you have any magical extra knowledge that should be in thread? Random role crap that you think would help town more than scum if it were out in the open?
(2) Are you a balance person at all? Your scum list feels vet/experienced heavy. Like corazon and crossfire are the only newer players on there, and crossfire has been around as long as I have, so he's not new new new. You've got 4 of the people that I've been lumping together for balance purposes as could/should be scum, and I'm kind of uncomfortable with that number. Fulllist would be like that:
supersoft
BloodyC0bbler V
Kurumi v
VisceraEyes Vaustinmcc
Acrofales
yamato77
Dandel Ion
marvellosity V
Ver V
strongandbig
Oatsmaster
Promethelax
Vivax
Mocsta
iamperfectionStutters695 HiroPro (if foolish is town. Kill him)
slOosh v
Crossfire99risk.nuke v
prplhz vFoolishness V
cDgCorazonlooks really balanced and fair. + Show Spoiler +V/v is Vet. No offense to anyone intendet. Vet doesn't necessarily mean good in every game, but experienced.
I don't actually have that much time later, so I'm going to post brief thoughts now in case for some reason I die overnight. I mostly agree with this list, with a few exceptions. iamp should be up a level in non-italic, Ver/DP should be about null for the moment, I'm not enamoured with DP's posting so far.
Vivax is probably mafia, while HiroPro is fairly likely to be town in my opinion, I've not seen any reason for him to be mafia. Hiro also cut short completely what could have been a farcical discussion earlier. I agree with others that what Stutters is doing now with this sleeper cell thing is less likely to come from a mafia perspective, so I now lean town on him, and subsequently I'm still mafia on slOosh. The way he went about pushing me was just awful.
prplhz I also believe to be town. Hiro said earlier in the game that prplhz idolises the vets, and I also know this to be true, so his BC case is a town-tell (even though it was wrong). Also I know people are going to say he's lurky and what have you, but I actually like his limited contributions while he's here. risk could still be mafia but I'm not particularly sure on that at all actually. I'm most in the middle on risk I'd say. Crossfire is still disappearing, and I think he's mafia, and I think everything he's posted has been helped along by Foolishness.
Dandel is more certain town than the list, Acro less certain, although I still think he's town, he just makes my eyebrows raise ("foolish is town?").
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