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Read back up to page 25, this time taking notes. Will be catching up today and you'll have all my thoughts by the end of the day.
For now I can say that Vivax entered the thread in an extremely wishy washy manner. Seemed like he wanted to lynch lurkers, but was afraid of saying so. This seems completely out of wack with his town meta, where he ALWAYS says whatever he wants.
Supersoft also tried his hardest to not step on anybody's toes. He "agreed" with Iamp's post, but when questioned about it, disagreed with calling VE scum. Effectively that means he disagreed with Iamp's post.
Also, a little bit about the lynch: if Vivax is scum, then there is almost guaranteed to be scum who refused to leave the WBG wagon. If he's town, then it's completely up in the air where scum ended up. Given what I think of Vivax's entry into the thread, I like the Vivax=scum theory. I will pay special attention to this list: Oatsmaster, Mocsta, austinmcc, iamperfection and prplhz.
Heading to the office. Will continue reading and analysing there.
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On March 12 2013 23:02 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 22:13 Acrofales wrote:
Read back up to page 25, this time taking notes. Will be catching up today and you'll have all my thoughts by the end of the day.
For now I can say that Vivax entered the thread in an extremely wishy washy manner. Seemed like he wanted to lynch lurkers, but was afraid of saying so. This seems completely out of wack with his town meta, where he ALWAYS says whatever he wants.
Supersoft also tried his hardest to not step on anybody's toes. He "agreed" with Iamp's post, but when questioned about it, disagreed with calling VE scum. Effectively that means he disagreed with Iamp's post.
Also, a little bit about the lynch: if Vivax is scum, then there is almost guaranteed to be scum who refused to leave the WBG wagon. If he's town, then it's completely up in the air where scum ended up. Given what I think of Vivax's entry into the thread, I like the Vivax=scum theory. I will pay special attention to this list: Oatsmaster, Mocsta, austinmcc, iamperfection and prplhz.
Heading to the office. Will continue reading and analysing there. You should be on that list. Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 07:27 Acrofales wrote:
Fine. My flight's boarding and browsing your filter it is looking like duel D1.
I like that last post showing how differently bugs plays as town from his useless defeatist attitude this game, and my vote on Ver is going nowhere. I'll get back to that tomorrow. When I get home I hope I can make a better reasoned out vote, but for now:
BAAAAAAA BAAAAAAAA
##vote wherebugsgo Self-acclaimed Sheeping onto the bugs wagon. You never make those better reasons either, but w/e Then: Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 11:52 Acrofales wrote:
Marv, I am not sheeping you onto a last-10-minute bandwagon. Screw that shit. Explain why Vivax is scum. You need some cookies and a hug to switch from a sheepvote with no own reasoning behind it onto another sheepvote with no own reasoning behind it? wutwut
I think it was perfectly clear. I got home half an hour before the lynch and there were 10 more pages, on top of the 25 I hadn't read yet. No way can I read 35 pages in enough depth to get a read on the game in half an hour. I had some idea of how Bugs was playing earlier and then when he martyred himself I didn't much like that. I also had a town read on Marv, so I just sheeped that vote.
Then 10 minutes before the lynch people start wagoning a guy I had not paid much attention to at all. The reason Marv gave for not wanting to lynch WBG anymore was stupid (3P without any real evidence... and the 3P reads were all wrong, because neither bugs' role, nor the role he thought he had were anything to do with jester). So yeah, I stuck with the wagon I knew, rather than just throwing my vote on someone I hadn't analysed at all and had no clue about his alignment other than what Marv was telling me.
As for me being on my own list. Fine, I'll analyse me: looks at role pm. I'm town! Analysis over.
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On March 12 2013 23:21 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 23:18 Acrofales wrote:On March 12 2013 23:02 Dandel Ion wrote:On March 12 2013 22:13 Acrofales wrote:
Read back up to page 25, this time taking notes. Will be catching up today and you'll have all my thoughts by the end of the day.
For now I can say that Vivax entered the thread in an extremely wishy washy manner. Seemed like he wanted to lynch lurkers, but was afraid of saying so. This seems completely out of wack with his town meta, where he ALWAYS says whatever he wants.
Supersoft also tried his hardest to not step on anybody's toes. He "agreed" with Iamp's post, but when questioned about it, disagreed with calling VE scum. Effectively that means he disagreed with Iamp's post.
Also, a little bit about the lynch: if Vivax is scum, then there is almost guaranteed to be scum who refused to leave the WBG wagon. If he's town, then it's completely up in the air where scum ended up. Given what I think of Vivax's entry into the thread, I like the Vivax=scum theory. I will pay special attention to this list: Oatsmaster, Mocsta, austinmcc, iamperfection and prplhz.
Heading to the office. Will continue reading and analysing there. You should be on that list. On March 12 2013 07:27 Acrofales wrote:
Fine. My flight's boarding and browsing your filter it is looking like duel D1.
I like that last post showing how differently bugs plays as town from his useless defeatist attitude this game, and my vote on Ver is going nowhere. I'll get back to that tomorrow. When I get home I hope I can make a better reasoned out vote, but for now:
BAAAAAAA BAAAAAAAA
##vote wherebugsgo Self-acclaimed Sheeping onto the bugs wagon. You never make those better reasons either, but w/e Then: On March 12 2013 11:52 Acrofales wrote:
Marv, I am not sheeping you onto a last-10-minute bandwagon. Screw that shit. Explain why Vivax is scum. On March 12 2013 12:00 Acrofales wrote:
Sticking with Bugs. You need some cookies and a hug to switch from a sheepvote with no own reasoning behind it onto another sheepvote with no own reasoning behind it? wutwut I think it was perfectly clear. I got home half an hour before the lynch and there were 10 more pages, on top of the 25 I hadn't read yet. No way can I read 35 pages in enough depth to get a read on the game in half an hour. I had some idea of how Bugs was playing earlier and then when he martyred himself I didn't much like that. I also had a town read on Marv, so I just sheeped that vote.Then 10 minutes before the lynch people start wagoning a guy I had not paid much attention to at all. The reason Marv gave for not wanting to lynch WBG anymore was stupid (3P without any real evidence... and the 3P reads were all wrong, because neither bugs' role, nor the role he thought he had were anything to do with jester). So yeah, I stuck with the wagon I knew, rather than just throwing my vote on someone I hadn't analysed at all and had no clue about his alignment other than what Marv was telling me.As for me being on my own list. Fine, I'll analyse me: looks at role pm. I'm town! Analysis over. That's what I'm saying. You apply different standards to your sheeping depending on it being bugs or vivax as its subject.
If you're not going to read my post, then I'm just going to ignore you.
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Way to be useless. Are you calling Marv scum or town, based on meta? What a pointless post.
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For the record, I haven't gotten past where I was yesterday and think Marv looks more like town Marv D1 from duel, than scum Marv. Plus, Marv is the D3 policy lynch, so I am not too worried about him. If scum hasn't killed him off by D3, we lynch him.
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On March 12 2013 23:54 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 23:54 Acrofales wrote:
For the record, I haven't gotten past where I was yesterday and think Marv looks more like town Marv D1 from duel, than scum Marv. Plus, Marv is the D3 policy lynch, so I am not too worried about him. If scum hasn't killed him off by D3, we lynch him. Kinda a suspicious attitude given the playerlist this game. Policy lynch me ahead of Foolish or Ver or BC or super if they're alive?
I don't really expect any of them to be alive D3. Scum has 3 KP tonight and a minimum of 2 tomorrow. Medic wifom aside, all high-profile targets should be dead, or serious scumspects by D3, and you are a high-profile target. I wouldn't include supersoft in that list, btw.
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I just got done reading most of the fall-out from Yamato's shot and I think everybody who calls Yamato scum for it is either terrible or scum.
Why the fuck would a scum Yamato use an anonymous vig-shot to shoot a confirmed townie and then own up to it. They could have used that power to take out some superpowered veteran with no fear of a medic, but instead use it to kill someone who was shitting up the thread.
Yes, it was a fucking stupid move to shoot a modconfirmed townie. However, that doesn't make it scummy. SnB said this completely correctly.
Vivax, Cora, Sloosh, VE all fail to see this, or are scum using it to try to wagon what looks at the time to be an easy mislynch. Out of these, I like Cora the least, but I'll keep reading.
+ Show Spoiler [brief thoughts on cora] +
Cora's early game was to attack Yamato based on meta. This from a player who I distinctly recall saying all meta cases are terrible in Duel mafia. He then gets extremely paranoid about dying when Kurumi posts fake shots in the vote thread, and is extremely defensive about his contributions this game, which, at the time were minimal.
Finally, when mocsta points out some stuff he thought was scummy, Cora uses some terrible misdirection to deflect the case, by saying Mocsta was just piggybacking on other people's thoughts. Not everything has to be an original thought, and if other people had good ideas, a townie SHOULD use them.
Regardless of whether it was original or not, the deflection seems like a guilty conscience trying to wiggle out from explaining something he had no town explanation for.
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Oh, and one other thing. What "balance" reason can anybody come up with for giving a scum a modconfirmed DT check? If the DT check was also Yamato, how the fuck does that work as scum? And if he got it, why in god's name would he EVER use it?
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So, everybody who thought Yamato was scum based on the check and shot is fucking scummy as hell.
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On March 13 2013 01:54 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2013 01:48 Acrofales wrote:I just got done reading most of the fall-out from Yamato's shot and I think everybody who calls Yamato scum for it is either terrible or scum. Why the fuck would a scum Yamato use an anonymous vig-shot to shoot a confirmed townie and then own up to it. They could have used that power to take out some superpowered veteran with no fear of a medic, but instead use it to kill someone who was shitting up the thread. Yes, it was a fucking stupid move to shoot a modconfirmed townie. However, that doesn't make it scummy. SnB said this completely correctly. Vivax, Cora, Sloosh, VE all fail to see this, or are scum using it to try to wagon what looks at the time to be an easy mislynch. Out of these, I like Cora the least, but I'll keep reading. + Show Spoiler [brief thoughts on cora] +
Cora's early game was to attack Yamato based on meta. This from a player who I distinctly recall saying all meta cases are terrible in Duel mafia. He then gets extremely paranoid about dying when Kurumi posts fake shots in the vote thread, and is extremely defensive about his contributions this game, which, at the time were minimal.
Finally, when mocsta points out some stuff he thought was scummy, Cora uses some terrible misdirection to deflect the case, by saying Mocsta was just piggybacking on other people's thoughts. Not everything has to be an original thought, and if other people had good ideas, a townie SHOULD use them.
Regardless of whether it was original or not, the deflection seems like a guilty conscience trying to wiggle out from explaining something he had no town explanation for.
Every bolded part is proof you didn't read this game. I didn't read the stuff after the lynch before posting today but you didn't even read early game holy shit. What's worse about this is that you forgive yamato for shooting a modconfirmed townie in your point of view and that makes even less sense than other derps/mafias saying he should stay alive.
You are really calling me out for not having read parts of the thread when I have made it abundantly clear that I have not yet caught up on the thread?! Get your head out of your ass. Anyway, this was about the people calling Yamato scum BEFORE Yamato explained his role. What happened after his explanation I will figure out now.
However, it still makes no sense from a "balance" PoV to give that role to scum.
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On March 13 2013 02:10 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2013 02:08 VisceraEyes wrote:
Oats what are your thoughts on the hyperveterans? I'm referring here to BC, Ver and Foolishness. Just your objective, gut response is all I'm after here, I'm not asking you to reread them and give me full reads. Ver is town I think, cause I think as scum he would give more of a fuck Like his activity goes beyond lurking, this is just inactivity. BC is also town same as ^^, also he seems to want to pick fights with everyone when he does post. I wish he would play the game though :/ Foolishness is probably scum for lying about Marv and 180ing in a horrible way. Also defended Vivax for no reason.
How the hell do you have a meta town read on Ver. Like... HOW IN THE WORLD DOES THAT HAPPEN?
SOO MUCH STUPID IN THIS GAME!!!
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On March 13 2013 02:26 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2013 02:24 Acrofales wrote:On March 13 2013 02:10 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 13 2013 02:08 VisceraEyes wrote:
Oats what are your thoughts on the hyperveterans? I'm referring here to BC, Ver and Foolishness. Just your objective, gut response is all I'm after here, I'm not asking you to reread them and give me full reads. Ver is town I think, cause I think as scum he would give more of a fuck Like his activity goes beyond lurking, this is just inactivity. BC is also town same as ^^, also he seems to want to pick fights with everyone when he does post. I wish he would play the game though :/ Foolishness is probably scum for lying about Marv and 180ing in a horrible way. Also defended Vivax for no reason. How the hell do you have a meta town read on Ver. Like... HOW IN THE WORLD DOES THAT HAPPEN? SOO MUCH STUPID IN THIS GAME!!! Go and explain why the 'vettiest' player in TL mafia ups and posts less than 5 posts as scum. Go on, do it.
Go and explain that same for town. Go on, do it. While Ver is known as a "sit back and analyse" scumhunter, he is fucking good at it and nails scum left right and center. Where has he done that this game?
He also pushes his reads. Where has he done that this game?
Anyway, my first post read of Ver still stands. Ver is scum because he is trying to dodge any responsibility. He has not done any of the fabled scumhunting he is so famed for. How the fuck can you have a town read on him?
If you think inactivity is a town tell you are too stupid to talk to. Did you not JUST get done playing Duel mafia with Keirathi the inactive? And CT with Sandroba the inactive? And for that matter, Parallel Universe with Foolishness the inactive?
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On March 13 2013 01:55 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2013 01:52 Acrofales wrote:
Oh, and one other thing. What "balance" reason can anybody come up with for giving a scum a modconfirmed DT check? If the DT check was also Yamato, how the fuck does that work as scum? And if he got it, why in god's name would he EVER use it? foolishness or radfield role is town powers but scum aligned, they're well known for being amazing as town but both terrible as scum and hating to play scum. like how wbg role was town powers but scum aligned the day vig would have been the hidden "beneficial" side of the power, he wouldn't have been told about it until after the public dt check happened.
I thought you were pretty levelheaded and townie at the time, but this post is not making sense to me.
WBG's role was survivor, not scum aligned. His powers were meh. Unless you are talking about Kurumi, in which case he was town aligned, not scum aligned at all.
The impression I got from Yamato is that he knew all along what his power would do. Now, why would scum get a DT check? It makes no sense. Even if it is combined with a dayvig. Either Yamato is lying about how his power works, or he is town. The role makes NO sense for scum.
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On March 13 2013 03:20 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 13:53 slOosh wrote:
My scum read on yamato is even stronger now. Take out the Kurumi shot out of his filter and what you are left with is a bunch of one liners throwing doubt and pointing fingers at everyone. Not only that, there is absolutely no consistency with his reads at all. Multiple times he calls slOosh and Cora scum and they get left out of his final reads, he bothers to put in a post detailing people he would liked lynched yet doesn't move his vote on WBG, indicating he doesn't really care if crossfire were to die (does yam think he is town? scum? who knows?). That plus the problems I have concerning his role usage => this dude is scum.
People think otherwise about the role usage: I invite those people to look into his filter (aside from the role stuff) and tell me what they think. Marv I think you mentioned his meta - I'm most familiar with town yamato from Nomination, where he carried town at the end. Dunno his scum meta, but clearly he can play decent town (posting wise and whatnot).
I'll be taking this night to review stuff I missed during the day. Still gonna tunnel yamato though unless people can provide more than "yam's balls too small for that". If you want opinions on specific things ask and I'll address them when I can. Does anyone else find it weird he talks about himself in 3rd person here? I know people do so occasionally but I've never seen slOosh do it I don't think.
Do you think it was ghost written in the scum QT? Other than that I don't see why writing about yourself in the 3rd party is indicative of alignment at all. He could be roleplaying someone who writes about himself in the 3rd person? Ace does it a lot (but sloosh looks nothing like Ace in anything else).
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On March 13 2013 02:51 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2013 02:49 Acrofales wrote:On March 13 2013 01:55 strongandbig wrote:On March 13 2013 01:52 Acrofales wrote:
Oh, and one other thing. What "balance" reason can anybody come up with for giving a scum a modconfirmed DT check? If the DT check was also Yamato, how the fuck does that work as scum? And if he got it, why in god's name would he EVER use it? foolishness or radfield role is town powers but scum aligned, they're well known for being amazing as town but both terrible as scum and hating to play scum. like how wbg role was town powers but scum aligned the day vig would have been the hidden "beneficial" side of the power, he wouldn't have been told about it until after the public dt check happened. I thought you were pretty levelheaded and townie at the time, but this post is not making sense to me. WBG's role was survivor, not scum aligned. His powers were meh. Unless you are talking about Kurumi, in which case he was town aligned, not scum aligned at all. The impression I got from Yamato is that he knew all along what his power would do. Now, why would scum get a DT check? It makes no sense. Even if it is combined with a dayvig. Either Yamato is lying about how his power works, or he is town. The role makes NO sense for scum. I'm pretty wary of this argument. Just because it makes no sense, it doesn't mean that it's in fact not the case ;p there's enough other reasons to make a read of the situation one way or another without worrying whether a role makes sense for a particular alignment.
Fine. I see no reason why scum would use an anonymous dayvig shot to take out Kurumi, when they could use it on any one of the high profile targets. I definitely see no reason why scum would CLAIM their anonymous dayvig shot after using it, especially if the only way it gets outed is if it is first confirmed to hit a townie.
Even if you think the "balance" reason is not valid, the way it was used is completely stupid for scum. Scum doesn't shoot scumspect townies who are martyring themselves and shitting up the thread. They definitely don't announce that they are doing that: they know that player is a townie.
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EBWOP: the shot wasn't good. I just think it was a bad townie shot, not a scum shot.
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On March 12 2013 01:30 Stutters695 wrote:
Seriously guys I'm not scum. Last time xfire did this that I remember he was total scummers (MtGII), last time I did this I was still town.
On March 12 2013 01:33 Stutters695 wrote:
I've also never role-played I'm game before. My money is on xfire flipping scum.
What the hell is this, and why did everybody move away from Stutters?
I get that his later posting got a bit better, but here he claims he did this before, and was town. Then when it's pointed out that he never did this before (and he has never rolled scum, keep that in mind) he uses roleplaying Kenpachi as a "new" excuse, which contradicts his old one.
Lazy scum is lazy.
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On March 13 2013 04:23 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2013 04:20 Acrofales wrote:On March 13 2013 02:51 marvellosity wrote:On March 13 2013 02:49 Acrofales wrote:On March 13 2013 01:55 strongandbig wrote:On March 13 2013 01:52 Acrofales wrote:
Oh, and one other thing. What "balance" reason can anybody come up with for giving a scum a modconfirmed DT check? If the DT check was also Yamato, how the fuck does that work as scum? And if he got it, why in god's name would he EVER use it? foolishness or radfield role is town powers but scum aligned, they're well known for being amazing as town but both terrible as scum and hating to play scum. like how wbg role was town powers but scum aligned the day vig would have been the hidden "beneficial" side of the power, he wouldn't have been told about it until after the public dt check happened. I thought you were pretty levelheaded and townie at the time, but this post is not making sense to me. WBG's role was survivor, not scum aligned. His powers were meh. Unless you are talking about Kurumi, in which case he was town aligned, not scum aligned at all. The impression I got from Yamato is that he knew all along what his power would do. Now, why would scum get a DT check? It makes no sense. Even if it is combined with a dayvig. Either Yamato is lying about how his power works, or he is town. The role makes NO sense for scum. I'm pretty wary of this argument. Just because it makes no sense, it doesn't mean that it's in fact not the case ;p there's enough other reasons to make a read of the situation one way or another without worrying whether a role makes sense for a particular alignment. Fine. I see no reason why scum would use an anonymous dayvig shot to take out Kurumi, when they could use it on any one of the high profile targets. I definitely see no reason why scum would CLAIM their anonymous dayvig shot after using it, especially if the only way it gets outed is if it is first confirmed to hit a townie. Even if you think the "balance" reason is not valid, the way it was used is completely stupid for scum. Scum doesn't shoot scumspect townies who are martyring themselves and shitting up the thread. They definitely don't announce that they are doing that: they know that player is a townie. Unless you've seen yamato's PM, you don't know if it's anonymous. There was no ##Shoot: Kurumi, but the "pro GF snipe" was a pretty clear reference to MZ's shot. It wasn't like we were confused as to who had shot once it happened.
Kitaman's announcements only announced MZ, not that it was Yamato as MZ. It was therefore anonymous (there were no actions in the thread or vote thread).
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On March 13 2013 04:11 VisceraEyes wrote:
I think Ver is lying about not reading his role. That is an active decision to play against your win con, and Ver doesn't strike me as that sort of player from my limited experience with him. He also doesn't strike me as the type of scum player who would draw attention to himself by lying in such a manner. Conversely, Ver strikes me as EXACTLY the kind of town player who would lie about reading his Role PM.
Ver should be considered town Imo. Whatever that's worth.
Can you expand the meta read a bit? I still think it's a scum cop-out saying "guys, I cannot be held accountable for my shit". If it was a trap, he should have come back and sprung it. He didn't. The post was just an excuse to screw around, which is exactly what he has done.
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On March 13 2013 04:39 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2013 04:34 Acrofales wrote:On March 13 2013 04:23 austinmcc wrote:On March 13 2013 04:20 Acrofales wrote:On March 13 2013 02:51 marvellosity wrote:On March 13 2013 02:49 Acrofales wrote:On March 13 2013 01:55 strongandbig wrote:On March 13 2013 01:52 Acrofales wrote:
Oh, and one other thing. What "balance" reason can anybody come up with for giving a scum a modconfirmed DT check? If the DT check was also Yamato, how the fuck does that work as scum? And if he got it, why in god's name would he EVER use it? foolishness or radfield role is town powers but scum aligned, they're well known for being amazing as town but both terrible as scum and hating to play scum. like how wbg role was town powers but scum aligned the day vig would have been the hidden "beneficial" side of the power, he wouldn't have been told about it until after the public dt check happened. I thought you were pretty levelheaded and townie at the time, but this post is not making sense to me. WBG's role was survivor, not scum aligned. His powers were meh. Unless you are talking about Kurumi, in which case he was town aligned, not scum aligned at all. The impression I got from Yamato is that he knew all along what his power would do. Now, why would scum get a DT check? It makes no sense. Even if it is combined with a dayvig. Either Yamato is lying about how his power works, or he is town. The role makes NO sense for scum. I'm pretty wary of this argument. Just because it makes no sense, it doesn't mean that it's in fact not the case ;p there's enough other reasons to make a read of the situation one way or another without worrying whether a role makes sense for a particular alignment. Fine. I see no reason why scum would use an anonymous dayvig shot to take out Kurumi, when they could use it on any one of the high profile targets. I definitely see no reason why scum would CLAIM their anonymous dayvig shot after using it, especially if the only way it gets outed is if it is first confirmed to hit a townie. Even if you think the "balance" reason is not valid, the way it was used is completely stupid for scum. Scum doesn't shoot scumspect townies who are martyring themselves and shitting up the thread. They definitely don't announce that they are doing that: they know that player is a townie. Unless you've seen yamato's PM, you don't know if it's anonymous. There was no ##Shoot: Kurumi, but the "pro GF snipe" was a pretty clear reference to MZ's shot. It wasn't like we were confused as to who had shot once it happened. Kitaman's announcements only announced MZ, not that it was Yamato as MZ. It was therefore anonymous (there were no actions in the thread or vote thread). The check, yeah. But there was a long delay before the shot. And in the intervening time, yamato posted his pro GF snipe. I agree with poor choice, but everyone seems to be using different terminology to describe what happened and it's no good. We do not know whether it was anonymous or not. We can be more sure the check/announcement was anonymous, but there's a possibility the shot was triggered by the pro GF snipe comment. Nitpicky, but you're assuming something we don't know.
If the shot was not anonymous and Yamato is scum, then scum has a mod-confirmed DT check. WHY WOULD SCUM EVER USE THIS?
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