Personality Mafia 2 - Page 139

On March 14 2013 19:55 supersoft wrote:
i solved this game! forget everything i said before!

On March 14 2013 08:07 Foolishness wrote:
But in your first post you seemed to accuse Vivax, and now you two seem to be butt-buddies. Aren't you contradicting yourself?
No. In my first post I thought Vivax was suspicious, and I hinted at my reasoning. That story post was made in haste after reading the thread and I called him out based on gut instinct from his filter. I was in a rush cause it's the end of the school quarter here and I'm quite busy (e.g. research paper due, finals, etc.). Later in day 1 I examined the thread and I had time to analyze a few people (more on who these people are later in this post). I looked at Vivax's history and realized I made a mistake. There is a post in my filter which explains why. It should be noted that while Vivax is rather spammy and not the most coherent at times, it is 100% clear that he is putting in an effort to figure things out and get things done for the town.

Okay, it's definitely clear that yamato77 is mafia, but what of your other reads?
I will talk about marvellosity in a bit. After the nuke incident I believe that Crossfire is mafia. His nuke against me was an incredibly rash thing to do, especially after people in the thread were saying to hold off on killing me one more day (the same people who include a mod-confirmed townie). It makes sense from a mafia perspective. I just nuked one of their teammates so they are screwed, since dodging a nuke is near-impossible. They see this and realize that I'm on the right track in figuring them out (say for example I'm correct about marvellosity) so they nuke me immediately to prevent me from causing further damage. I myself, as mafia in past games, have done this many times. Some person comes out in the thread and kills a teammate or posts a big analysis that's very bad for our team, I shoot them immediately to stop them from doing further damage.

Also consider the fact that crossfire was in no danger of getting killed at the moment. If he was about to get lynched I can see sending out a nuke as a last ditch effort to survive or make something happen (hey I just kinda did it, though my motivation is way different). It was completely out of the blue, just as yamato's day vigi was completely out of the blue.

I analyzed this guy day 1 but didn't come up with anything conclusive. On one hand he hadn't done anything to exhibit being mafia, but nothing striking to say he was for sure town either. With his nuke shot we now know where his agenda is and what side of the town he's on.

On March 13 2013 11:37 Acrofales wrote:
*snip*

Iamperfection: not his aggressive, assertive self. Could be roleplaying, but as Marv said, town Iamperfection is so easy to read, he is almost as good as an IC. Iamp is not playing like that this game. Also voted for Bugs, but has a better reason than Mocsta.

*snip*

Yes, I realize that I have way too many scumspects. This game is impossible to read and clear up townies. I'm glad I even found 4. We kill Ver or Cora tomorrow.

On March 14 2013 05:27 Acrofales wrote:
So... ok.

##vote Foolishness

Sloosh wasted a couple of hours, but comes out looking townier and Xfire also looking townier, so I'll call it a win.

On March 14 2013 21:32 Vivax wrote:
Forgot to add Dandel to the possible scum.

Oats is likely just bad townie.

On March 14 2013 21:34 Dandel Ion wrote:

Please make a list with your top 15 scumreads.

On March 14 2013 21:27 Vivax wrote:
Acro, yamato, marv are obviscum

On March 14 2013 21:32 Vivax wrote:
Forgot to add Dandel to the possible scum.

Oats is likely just bad townie.

On March 14 2013 21:42 Oatsmaster wrote:


Lol if im bad townie what are you?

Dandel I really like your analyzation of the cross thing. And it does seem somewhat petty for foolishness to think that Cross is scum cause of nuke. Non-withstanding his nuke on yamato in the first place.

Supersoft, the only thing going for foolish is his long post right? And the fact that he tries to kill marv. You dont seem to have done much with your 100% townie IMO other than calling, FOOLISHNESS TOWN DONT LYCNH. And here you think you are a good player.

On March 14 2013 21:39 Vivax wrote:
Funny boy.not.

On March 14 2013 21:49 Vivax wrote:
Why don't you tell me why all on the yamato wagon were town instead (Cora likely town) and thus, all mafia were on Bugs/Crossfire/me/something else than yamato?

On March 14 2013 21:50 Dandel Ion wrote:

Refusal to share reads noted.

On March 14 2013 21:53 Vivax wrote:


You can bank on bad towns for playing like this, same as in our last game where you were mafia and I wanted to policy lynch you D1.

Too bad you actually suck, but luckily for you your opponents suck even more.

Anyway I'll go watch some paralympics from the last years.

On March 14 2013 10:17 iamperfection wrote:
ya marv never gets pissed when a vet attacks him thats bs

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=369250&user=140487&currentpage=All

palmar tunneled marv the entire game and marv had fits of rage several times


This looks nothing like the lazy scum marv i'm used to seeing and he shown great interest and the lynch and everything happening in the thread.

This looks like town marv to me.

On December 19 2012 05:20 syllogism wrote:
@Foolishness
Short cases are often best. I know a lot of players love to write stories describing how everything about someone's play is indicative of the person being mafia or town, but in reality a lot of it is just fluff. You have been useless and wrong about everything so far. Town foolishness it not useless and rarely this wrong.

You made a completely nonsensical attack on Marvel early on and your explanation for it is not satisfactory. You have ignored role based reasons for believing someone is town; it doesn't matter if the evidence isn't conclusive, it's still evidence. In addition you have mostly ignored players who you should have been suspicious, BH/Mementoss in particular. Overall your interest in the game can be, at best, characterized as superficial.

The only reason I'm bothering to type even this up is because I know you've previously been, as mafia, annoyed due to being lynched/suspected when there is "no case" against you (ptp3?). Just because no one bothers to articulate a case "comprehensive" case against you doesn't mean there are no good reasons for lynching you. The main purpose when making a case is to convince everyone else, not the subject of the case.

Foolishness wrote:
...He hasn't made a case against me....
...So until marvellosity makes a nice long post against me, what is there to respond to?...
...I know that when I'm town I'm happy to write nice long essays about why someone is mafia...
...If he is town, why isn't he more than happy to make a nice long case against me...

On March 14 2013 12:12 austinmcc wrote:
Digesting. One small initial thought.

I think Foolishness's post reads well. I also think that he's not being entirely truthful. The read on marv feels legitimate, but him being a batman-posting/unlynchable/1-shot vigi? That's bs. I don't trust that at all. Makes me not trust the post as a whole, because if he's actually coming clean here and making a big towncase, he's not doing a good job of it when he's also hiding/altering information. Can I prove that he's lying? Not really. Does it seem that it is? Yeah. It feels like he's crafting a role to explain all of his behavior, and that doesn't pass the smell test with me.

On March 14 2013 09:45 slOosh wrote:
<3 Vivax you are after my heart. But yea we can nail him later. Gotta focus today.

I want to lynch marv first because we have the most clout today and he is hardest to lynch today, but I assume Foolishness has a good reason to go in that order.

On March 14 2013 08:46 slOosh wrote:
Vivax is absolutely correct about marv's cherry picking:

The proper quote is
Whereas he misconstrued that what Foolishness said wasIt's misrepresentation on a side point.

On March 14 2013 21:24 Dandel Ion wrote:

Okay so here's the thing: He says he analyzed a couple people. Cool.
Town on Vivax after accusing him, purely on his meta interpretations.
Not that he actually shares those.


I somehow lost the part he writes about yamato in the quotemonster, but it's metameta too. Even some meta from completely different people, l0l. Too lazy to dig it up again, you can read it in his post yourself~.~

He also does legthy meta-blabla on marv, but I'd like to wait for marv to address that, so I'm not mentioning it yet myself.
You can read it. So, apparantly he likes to use meta, huh?

wait a minute

Dang.
Analyzing CROSS didn't come up with anything conclusive?
WHAT?
He's been playing to his mafia meta TO A TEE for most of the game, and especially and purely so on day 1.
Yet there is no mention of that, what actually would have been a legit point, in favor of "QQ he nuked me so I dun like him!!!"
That is a clear sign he did not actually look at Cross, or "analyze" him, if you will.

Yet he's stated him as a higher lynch priority than marv
On what basis?
Read the above quote.
That's his thoughts on Cross.
Does it SOUND like he's more sure of him than marv? No.
He's stated marv and yamato both to be "100%". So to want to lynch cross over marv, he would have to be 100% on him as well. Does not sound like it.


-> Scum Foolishness is scared of having marv's mislynch on his hands, since it would guarantee his death in the near future, in some way. So he wants to push yamato/cross instead.

The way he's doing it however, suggests he does NOT actually want to lynch Cross. Actual legitimate arguments against Cross are not brought up, instead we get this weaksauce omgus stuff.
This can suggest two things: Either he was too lazy to put in the effort, or, he's scum with Cross and didn't want to actually nail him to the cross (huehue), at least not yet.
Neither of the two are of a townie mindset.

Seriously read the Cross part. He's trying to call him scum without getting him lynched. Clear as day.


As I noted, I'll wait for marv to address the parts about himself first, but there's more in there too.

On March 14 2013 09:45 slOosh wrote:
<3 Vivax you are after my heart. But yea we can nail him later. Gotta focus today.

I want to lynch marv first because we have the most clout today and he is hardest to lynch today, but I assume Foolishness has a good reason to go in that order.

On March 14 2013 10:06 slOosh wrote:
He is also 100% sure that yamato is scum so that's a null point.

Instead of pointing out the (what should be) obvious gaping logical holes of scum Foolishness' "case" in determining the three reads, you go after something inane. C'mon - rip it apart marv!

There is actually plenty of reason to lynch yamato first - him flipping red does a lot to the current playing field, which is why I'm waiting on supersoft / Foolishness.