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On February 21 2013 08:18 cDgCorazon wrote: Just to let you know, 0/0 is 100% as well... Actually, isn't 0/0 incalcuable? Division by 0 is only capable in weird versions of math IIRC. | ||
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If you need a replacement the feel free to pm me. | ||
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I am fat but loathe fast food. I prefer long walks on the beach on cloudless nights. I hate Kevin J Anderson. His books ruined so many series: Star Wars, X-Files, Dune. That is all. | ||
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On March 09 2013 18:55 WaveofShadow wrote: Also I know this is not about mafia but allow me this. YES. HE FUCKED DUNE SO HARD I HATED IT BUT READ IT ANYWAY ARGHHHH You seem knowledgeable of the subject in hand. What do you think of 'new/old' Dune. Worth reading or do you think it is too terrible to stand? Is KJA an intentionally bad author? | ||
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On March 10 2013 07:03 OmniEulogy wrote: Truthfully I don't think there is a chance Krafla is scum but I also don't think he'll be a target for the NK. The way Arctic played makes me doubt very highly that anybody he voted for was scum. I just don't think he put that much effort into his voting decisions to vote for one of his scum buddies. I'd say targets for the NK are Raven, WoS, and possibly Geript depending on how much scum is afraid of a fresh perspective. (then again Geript is Chew's replacement and could very well be mafia himself) If we do have RB/JK let's hope they know what they are doing. Between Luneth, Taco, Geript, and bduddy I'd say there has to be mafia, possibly two. I'll go more into detail just before the deadline on the off-chance I'm killed but I don't think it's very likely that I'll be the target Good target... Possible scum... Ironic... How'd you know that I like to type while taking a dump too? | ||
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On March 10 2013 07:18 OmniEulogy wrote: that's not irony. And I saw your last game so I know how much you like to write while taking dumps  Point? | ||
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On March 10 2013 08:21 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh wow, not sure how I missed that. Thanks. Nutter butter? | ||
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Taco Omni Luneth Frogon | ||
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On March 10 2013 09:21 OmniEulogy wrote: FUCKING BRILLIANT!!!!!!!! do not claim your role yet. wait for Krafla. Who are you talking to? | ||
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On March 10 2013 09:22 Krafla wrote: I was roleblocked Hmmmmmm. | ||
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On March 10 2013 09:25 WaveofShadow wrote: This is VERY interesting. I'm about to drop a bombshell. Not sure if serious. | ||
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On March 10 2013 09:29 Frorgon wrote: I'm surprised Krafla was roleblocked. I don't feel like he was suspicious enough to be roleblocked by town. So either the mafia took a shot in the dark and got lucky, or he's lying. This is going to be all wifom. Best to ignore this line of thinking entirely. | ||
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On March 10 2013 09:32 WaveofShadow wrote: I'm working it out, give me a few. Studies have down that peanut butter helps the thought process... Nutter butter? Also, tell me about luneth. | ||
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## vote omnieulogy You're interested in finding out Luneth's alignment and doesn't change a thing. I'll explain more in detail late tonight but here's a summary: Soft defenses of Artic Nothing but mudslinging Further suspicions without trying to actually pressure Overall no interest in pressuring players Interest in wasting time discussing worthless matters Presenting 2 bad cases without follow up | ||
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On March 10 2013 09:42 OmniEulogy wrote: On the other hand, if town role blocker hit WoS (if we even have one), tell us now. It's unlikely but its better to have the bases covered. That's a bad idea and super scummy. If we have one, why try to get them to claim for no reason? | ||
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On March 10 2013 09:47 MeatlessTaco wrote: If OE is scum, he deserves to live a couple more days. No. If OE is scum, he dies today. I do not suffer scum to live. | ||
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No as I said, it proves nothing. If WoS was JK blocked then he could've been either the attacker or the target. A claim proves nothing but the RB happened. If the JK blocked Krafla the we still no nothing as WoS could be lying OR he could be town RB'd by scum. You are both wrong and scum. | ||
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On March 10 2013 10:02 WaveofShadow wrote: I disagree, and apparently so did town JK. Either way, you said you didn't like OE, what do I need to do to get you to move your vote on him? | ||
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@Raven your thoughts? | ||
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@Rainbow I'll take another look at Lune. I know I preferred OE lynch over Lune , but both are on my highly suspicious list. | ||
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1. Lurker -- Nothing inherently scummy about this. While scum can tend to lurk, town tends to lurk just as hard in my experience. So negative points for Frogon but not scummy points (if that makes sense) 2. Wishy-washy -- 3. Argues that Frogon saying OE's filter was all mucked up is scummy -- Keeping a 'clean' and effective filter is exceptionally important to town. Sharing your thought process = good. Sharing your every thought = bad. This just looks to discourage interaction which is key to town. 4. Dislikes pressure without votes -- absolutely nothing wrong here especially as voting isn't the only form of pressure that can be applied. 5. Dislikes unflipped association cases -- fair, but association cases are just as commonly used (even preflip) by town and scum. Then he proceeds to throw suspicion on 4 players (including Arctic). His points against Chew/pre-Geript (sheep vote, lurking) and bduddy (lurking/not as bad as Frogon) are weak at best imo. As his points on Frogon are essentially null in my view, I see no reason for him to even be trying to lay out this case. Next he gets onto Taco for a sheep vote. While there's nothing wrong with calling people out for dumb votes, I haven't seen him try and either follow through a case OR do anything but pick on weak targets. Doesn't like Taco wanting people to take a stand (in words or vote) on other people Scum's best path to victory is quite simply that to be able to hide within wagons on poor cases. There's no meat in his taco case, it's all vegetarian much like his case on Frogon. The only valid point in his second case on taco is that he hadn't made a case up until that point; however if that's where the bar is at, then OE should be pressuring a number of other players. Why isn't he? Why does he seem to be picking on the tail end of the herd? Here's a key quote: On March 09 2013 05:50 OmniEulogy wrote: This is fair enough, but when you say contributing the least, you are on the bottom of that list. Otherwise you wouldn't have been the subject of my case. I will say that Chew looks just as bad though now that you've at least posted. So Frogon posting, even just a little bit, makes Chew an equal target to Frogon? That's just bad. The whole point of his case is because he wasn't contributing at all? That's just scummy for a single reason: Lynching lurkers is a means to remove scum's ability to hide. Making cases on lurkers/non-contributors is a waste of everyone's time. Case-building on lurkers isn't effective because there's little to nothing to point to and they give little to no information when flipped. This quote just tells me, "I made the case against you because you were an easy target that I wouldn't get blasted for. As well, it gets me off the hook for later on as I will LOOK like I'm contributing" The multiple soft defenses of Arctic have been documented. Not a whole lot more to mention about them other than the fact that there's more than just one of them. While he's 'fine' with switching to Artic, he wants to move pressure to Taco for one weak reason (which ALSO applies to Arctic). I'm not buying this, dude looks like SCUM #2 to me. Most of his filter is complete fluff as there almost no substance in what 7 pages now. The last point I'm going to make is the weakest imo but take it for what you will. In general, there's an inherent guilt in playing scum. While the natural reaction when attacked is to get defensive, instead of trying to strengthen his case on Taco, Frogon or his read on Luneth he instead goes full defensive. Got something to hide? His expansion on Taco just looks like he's grasping for straws. I'll be back in the morning or noon to look at Luneth again after I get some sleep and give you guys time to read and digest. | ||
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WoS... what don't you like about the OE case? You seem to have ignored it entirely. | ||
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Second, no Frogon and Taco haven't been his only targets. He's constantly been targeting perceived lurkers. Seriously read his filter. He's also tried to dissuade town from believing the far more towny looking players (WoS, Raven). He's also done little else than whine an bitch since I targeted him. Do you actually like his recent 'case' on Taco? Do you really think there are worthwhile points there? You say that OE cares about the lynch target. So what? Are scum not supposed to care who the lynch target is? In fact, the 'CARES' argument even makes OE look worse as the main people who want to defend scum are OTHER SCUM!!! | ||
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On March 11 2013 07:47 TheRavensName wrote: I feel so left out  IIRC, you preferred Taco to Luneth, could you expand on who you prefer for the lynch today? | ||
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##unvote ## vote meatless taco | ||
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On March 11 2013 11:33 OmniEulogy wrote: what? You realize the whole post wasn't directed solely at you right? lol Also Arctic was one of my scum reads. I wouldn't vote for somebody I didn't think was scum. Get your head out of your ass. On March 11 2013 12:04 geript wrote: OE why do you feel the need to tell us that Arctic was one of your scum reads? On March 11 2013 12:13 OmniEulogy wrote: I am becoming convinced that you can't understand most of the things you read. Also, if he was one of your "scum reads" which for whatever god forsaken reason you equate to "I called them scummy" then why did you make this post: On March 09 2013 07:27 OmniEulogy wrote: I really want to avoid trying to make a link between Arctic and Taco till after the flip. And if Arctic flips town I'm going to be kicking myself for not being able to persuade people to vote Taco, however I don't want to see NW lynched... I don't disagree that Arctic looks scummy, I just think Taco looks worse. That doesn't tell me that you think Arctic looks scummy. You even refuse to call him scummy; rather you wouldn't argue against that he looks scummy. You're actively thinking about Arctic as town and trying to say that he's a scum read and that he was one of your scum reads. Congratulations, we'll be lynching you tomorrow. | ||
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On March 11 2013 12:41 WaveofShadow wrote: I wasn't going to step in to try and let it die, but wtf is this Geript? I'm pretty sure we've established that we won't be lynching him tomorrow, as there are scummier people out there; most of the town has already agreed to this. Why are you still trying to push this? To me it looks like: a) You're really reaching and arguing semantics at the way OE decided to use the word scummy and the phrasing he used. If he's actively thinking of AD as town wouldn't that make him town (wrong, but town)? If he was scum he'd know what AD was. b) You're actively trying to stir up shit since OE seems to have a bit of a short fuse to him. There's nothing towny about actively looking for multiple reasons for actions from both town and scum perspectives. But why make the previous post about thinking about Arctic as town. It literally serves no purpose from town perspective. None whatsoever. Then he wants to pull bullshit like, "OMG I was totally sold that AD was scum. He was even one of my scum reads. See how towny I must be." Fuck that. That's not town play; that's simply stupid scum play. ##unvote ##vote OmniEulogy | ||
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Ok, I'm listening, why me and Rainbow? Be honest... is it because I didn't give him a nutter butter? | ||
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On March 12 2013 05:36 TheRavensName wrote: Cause you left your house with an empty gun. Reverse Misogyny -- Trying to say he's shooting blanks. That's just not nice. | ||
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I say hello to him again. Hello Bad Guy. How you doing? Why you want steal my nutter butter? ##unvote ##vote meatless taco | ||
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On March 12 2013 08:26 TheRavensName wrote: I hope after this games ends, I can hang you with Meatless's entrails. But I haz nutter butterz... Why you no likey me and my nuter butterz? | ||
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On March 12 2013 10:16 Frorgon wrote: Omni is now my number one candidate for scum now besides MLuneth. But I'm still going after Luneth first. Things just got way more confusing though because it seemed as if they were working together and that Luneth didn't want to vote for Meatless until he had to. Does not compute. | ||
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On March 12 2013 12:19 TheRavensName wrote: The Night is darkest, just before the dawn. Touché friend. Nutter butter? | ||
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On March 12 2013 19:35 MLuneth wrote: I don't see why we would target someone who is inactive (afk scum isn't a threat) instead of an active scum who is a threat. Sounds awfully scummy to me I really wanted to lynch the thinking machine, but then the moon opens its mouth. | ||
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On March 12 2013 23:05 WaveofShadow wrote: But did you really ruin it? Thinking about it , is it worth checking your filter again Geript knowing what I know now? I'm thinking so. No nutter butter for you this time. | ||
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On March 13 2013 04:39 TheRavensName wrote: Why does the day post not have flavor yet? There is a back order on salt and pepper. We have adequate Red pepper flakes and sriracha though. | ||
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Either way, after refining my reads my top 2 targets are Krafla and Rainbow, just in case I die tonight. I think Rainbow's voting pattern is a bit odd. Krafla just isn't making much sense and he was on NW as well N1 and I have a strong town read on NW and had it all game long. | ||
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On March 13 2013 11:54 TheRavensName wrote: I'm wondering what this actually means.... WoS was almost certain he was saved by a jailkeeper night one, and Krafia said he was normal role blocked and seemed to me to at least be soft claiming blue and leaving small bread clumbs. This could confirm Krafia as what he said... or it could not I guess, but its something to consider ant it? To really evaluate that we would have to know how many roleblocks there were last night. I agree that WoS was saved night 1, but if there aren't 2 roleblocks today then we can assume that he was lying. Your thoughts? | ||
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You seem to share my distrust of Omni. | ||
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On March 14 2013 01:57 Frorgon wrote: I don't see how Rainbows looks suspicious right now Raven. There is no connection between him and Omni. Now if Luneth somehow flips town, as I've said Omni starts to look innocent and then Rainbows would have the same problem as Omni has right now, tunneling votes on innocent people. If Luneth is town then Geript and Rainbows are scum. Otherwise the two scum are Luneth and Omni. You seem to agree about Omni, but I don't think we learn as much if we vote him today, and a mislynch on Omni hurts us a lot more than a mislynch on Luneth. I don't think that any of this makes sense. How are you drawing these conclusions? | ||
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On March 10 2013 12:11 OmniEulogy wrote: the thing is WoS, he proved himself scummy because he sheeped me and voted Frorgon. Funny how he doesn't seem to call out Rainbows because of his vote for Frogon. Rainbow's response to the terribad Frogon case: On March 09 2013 03:46 Rainbows wrote: This just in: Omni is town. I agree with the sentiment that this lynch is going too smoothly. Zero opposition. TOWN: Consider targets like ChewOnStu and Frogron. Good case by Omnizzle here. I don't see how that's either a good case, an effective post or anything close to making Omni town. I also don't see the point in flat out calling someone town what 10 pages into day 1 is effective or useful. The only people who need to be thought of as town are scum. Omni's #1 scum read seems to be based on activity alone. If that's the case then why would he disappear for 2 days once the pressure was off of him? I really just don't see how Omni is town. | ||
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On March 14 2013 09:20 MLuneth wrote: I assume this is what you want? No, if you're going to make a case, make a case; all you made we're some points most of which Sn0 already pointed out. I demand more. | ||
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On March 07 2013 11:14 OmniEulogy wrote: I think policy lynches should be used as a last case scenario, if we are stuck at the end of D1, lynch the scummiest lurker. I've been thinking a while and I think this is the main reason why I'm suspicious of Omni. At the end of D1, Artctic was clearly the scummiest lurker around IMO by a wide margin. The points that Raven and WoS re: Arctic had made were pretty clear. Yet, throughout OE's filter even from early on he seems to be defending Arctic and deflecting to Taco. From a town perspective, I can understand why OE found Taco as many of us did, but what I cannot understand from a town perspective ESPECIALLY using 'scummiest lurker' as a guide is why OE would try to shift votes toward Taco who was FAR less scummy that Arctic. I can understand why, from a town perspective, he would want to question seemingly random votes. However I cannot understand why from that viewpoint he would seemingly focus more on random votes on Arctic more than other seemingly random votes. The last point that I can't understand from a town perspective is why he would stop pressuring a lurker to stop lurking once they posted a little bit. His premise is that lurkers are bad for town which is a simple and straight forward position to take from either side. Yet now he's completely lurks. If he (as town) really wants to push people to not lurking, then there is no reason to stop pushing them. From a town perspective with this basis he should be trying hard to fight against lurkers and pressuring them constantly. However, I don't see him doing that at all. While his filter is longer, it doesn't look to me that he's doing more than trying to appear active and helpful. This is the basis of scum: he doesn't follow through on his perceived 'town' agenda--This is scum mentality. He also doesn't try to push his 'town' agenda (scummiest lurker) against the obvious target--Arctic--because it goes against his actual agenda of keeping Scum alive. This makes him Scum. Vote OE. | ||
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On March 14 2013 11:47 Sn0_Man wrote: This is the bullshit that makes me want to lynch you... I understand your sentiment. I get that you don't like how I am typing/talking. Stop getting pissed about it and start thinking about what I'm saying. For "Thar be treasure at the ends of that dark Dead Sea." | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On March 09 2013 04:57 nobodywonder wrote: Chew, you're UK you don't have much time to respond. I'd really like you to explain yourself. Ok, you believe that pressuring lurkers is good, but you're hesitant, since it's early game. So valid, yet you never pressure anyone. You're just content to sit back. As town, why would you do so? As scum, it's a perfect justification for lurking and waiting. This is so wishy-washy, your logic is confounded by however this, however that. Make a stand 1. Lynch lurkers maybe bad 2. Vote lurker may put pressure, I agree 3. If pressured lurker replies, then good 4. you summarize: lurkers could be questioned for reads, opinions? with pt 4, I'm wondering why don't you pursue lurkers then. You should some of questioning for reads, opinions and voting. All these actions contrast with your sudden vote on me You reserved so much judgment about getting lurkers, yet you are so eager to simply follow, at that time's Taco's vote on me. Hardcore sheep. If you're town, the only explanation is that you're a noobie, but I doubt it because I believe if you're town, you would show your thought process. Against me your only evidence is that I am scummy because I complain about lurkers and I have no contributions. But you, yourself, reserved judgment lurkers and have few contributions. Why are you so against my complaining? 1. Your sudden reversal from no lynch but pressure lurkers to vote me feels scummy. I feel it's a too convienent way for you to stay away from attention with your reserved judgment on lurkers. That combined with your lack of following your own policy seems very contradictory and if not scummy, is poor town play. 2. You havent actively contributed, and have only replied to questions. As town, why? You need to be proactive and get going. Stick your neck out. 3. Attacking me is an easy and convenient way out and is not consistent with your 1) lurker policy 2) lack of active contributions 4. Lastly you poked me with a question, I answered it. That would have a great moment for you to contribute and say what you feel about my then scumread Krafla to show your towniness. Why would you ever avoid an opportunity to contribute to the discussion. and now you have fell off the face of the earth after this vote. Rainbow and Meat called you out on this. I call out you too, you are one of my top scumreads. Explain yourself ##Unvote ##ChewOnStu I think it's important that you read this because NW does a very good break down on why Chew was stupid/bad/inconsistent. If you want to make the argument that I'm scum from that then go ahead, but it's an important read to setup the Luneth case. On March 07 2013 17:26 MLuneth wrote: While I believe that nobodywonder's actions have been suspicious and that his case is less than stellar, I feel that it is foolish to lynch someone who has made an addition to the game (albeit at this point small) should not be lynched over a person that has simply lurked for 2 days straight. I feel I need to point out that Frogon, as well as Krafla and Matriarch (to a lesser extent) have all input a similar amount of information as nobodywonder. EBWOP Forgot to add TheRavensName to above list of people that have done little At this stage with so little info to go on I can only flip a coin on whether to vote Artic Daishi or bduddy Coin said ##Vote: Arctic Daishi This post (with the following edit post) is scummy for multiple reasons. 1. NW's case was a good one for which Chew to which should have responded because it laid out where Chew was being stupid and inconsistent 2. Luneth calls NW suspicious. Why? There's literally nothing in the short filter previous to that to make us think that Luneth was suspicious of NW. There's also no reason given for finding NW suspicious other than shitting on NW's case. 3. Luneth takes what I read as a lynch all lurkers stance. Again, lurker lynching is an easy stance to take from either side, but it's very hard to be consistent with. He points out 4 players who have added little but DOESN"T try to pressure them in any way. Luneth follows up on point 3 by saying: On March 08 2013 14:51 MLuneth wrote: At this time I was more interested in getting everyone talking. How is telling people that they're lurking in any way trying to interact or force them to de-lurk/start posting? That makes no sense. If you want to interact with lurkers, then you need to interact with them. If they refuse to interact, then you choose to let them be modkilled/replaced OR you lynch them. There is no in between. Calling lurkers out, especially en masse, does nothing. 4. Luneth refuses to try and pressure said 4 players instead opting to try and put a "pressure vote" on a complete lurker. How is this in any way consistent? I'll call out these people, but not those people. I'm interested in trying to pressure this guy, but not that guy. It feels nothing but non-committal to me and not trying to get a positive atmosphere where many players can be under pressure for various reasons. So at point 1 Luneth argues that NW's case on Chew was bad. At points 3 and 4 Luneth wants to lynch/pressure lurkers. Where is point 5? On March 07 2013 17:26 MLuneth wrote: At this stage with so little info to go on I can only flip a coin on whether to vote Artic Daishi or bduddy On March 08 2013 14:51 MLuneth wrote: My view on Arctic Daishi at the time of Voting for him: My vote on Diashi was a coin flip between Daishi/BDuddy/ChewOnStu because none had made posts at this point. Notice the subtle change? I did. I don't give a damn who the coin selected, but he goes on to slam NW for putting forth effort and making a reasonable case that should be responded to only to change his mind and include Chew in the "Lurkers who need to get the fuck off the couch and start putting effort in" category. THIS IS NOT A TOWNY TRAIT! I don't see any town reason for discouraging effort only to surmise that Chew was a reasonable target after all. 6. There's a very key thing that needs to be pointed out regarding Luneth's vote on MLuneth: On March 08 2013 14:52 MLuneth wrote: My view at the time was and still remains is that unless I am confident that there is a high chance of an active person being scum I will Vote for an inactive scummy Lurker Luneth had this in two posts (apparently mis-editing spoilering). This was Luneth's stance and made the point to bold it and make it seen. What does Luneth do? Not vote for the scummy lurker. Not only that, Luneth does nothing to actively try and push NW or create a case against NW. NW was far more townie looking and active than some. Additionally, Luneth has no interest in voting for either of the inactive scummy lurkers aka Arctic/Chew who had votes on them. 7. Let's talk about some real hypocrisy. On March 08 2013 16:29 MLuneth wrote: ##Vote: nobodywonder This vote is basically the result suspiciously targeting lurkers but more importantly the lack of an acceptable coherent defence. Rainbow, it strikes me as odd that while you have accused/pressured people to find out their position on certain matters but your position is not clear. In what circumstances would you lynch a lurker? So targeting lurkers is now suspicious? Wait, isn't that exactly what your points previous have been? Then on top of that ask about when/why another player would lynch a lurker? WTF? 8. The amount of OMGUS in Luneth is great. 9. There's been almost no actual scum hunting from Luneth, just plain sheeping other people's votes/opinions. Implied Guilt On March 07 2013 12:55 MLuneth wrote: Last post was a joke, if that wasn't clear I think that Rainbow stated this first, but I know that when I first read Luneth's </3 post with the vote on Rainbows I instantly took it for a joke and ignored that as a banter post. Needing to explain it as a joke doesn't seem like something town would feel the need to do at all to me. The real problem however is: On March 07 2013 15:11 MLuneth wrote: that was a throwaway vote more than anything Would be very surprised if it doesn't change As this reads to me as wanting to make sure that people knew not to suspect Luneth for a stupid joke vote. I don't have a problem with town keeping a light/jokey atmosphere, but feeling the need to explain a dumb vote twice feels scummy to me. He further follows up to try and explain his AD vote by: On March 08 2013 14:51 MLuneth wrote: My view on Arctic Daishi at the time of Voting for him: To put it simply my Vote was a pressure vote to try and get Arctic to speak up (I'm saying this now because I believe that Arctic Daishi will stay afk). My vote on Diashi was a coin flip between Daishi/BDuddy/ChewOnStu because none had made posts at this point. There's also this real gem of a post here which WoS makes off of a bduddy post regarding OE's soft defenses of Arctic. If you read the included set of quotes they are all by Arctic or Omni which should make the question as to who WoS is asking clear: On March 09 2013 07:45 WaveofShadow wrote: bduddy pointed you out soft defending Daishi. You keep saying we'd learn nothing if he flipped? Well we might learn something about you. We'd certainly also learn something about his voting patterns and we might be able to figure out if the people he was bandwagoning were scum or not. 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On March 14 2013 15:55 nobodywonder wrote: ^yee gl geript, nutter butter? yes plz On March 14 2013 15:55 nobodywonder wrote: If you're town, don't be a Taco. Get scumhunting, give us the best scumreads you have ever. seconded | ||
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On March 08 2013 16:08 TheRavensName wrote: Its one of the few things that seems to carry over between versions of this game bduddy. On March 08 2013 16:40 bduddy wrote: You mean the "blue" thing? I get that, having looked at some other Mafia games. But it doesn't match your previous posting style in this game... and the many spelling mistakes you've been making don't match your posting style in general. Again, I think you've been playing dumb. Raven could you explain this to me. I wasn't in the last game that it seems like you and bduddy were in. Could you also detail who was town/scum in that game? | ||
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On March 15 2013 03:51 TheRavensName wrote: I even think that given the amount of time he spends denying and pushing Krafia's blue claim that he could hve seen and pointed out the same braed crumbs I saw when I defende the blue claim, to the roleblocker and wanted to get Krafia lynhed so he cold move the roleblocker to hunting for our jailer. Since he's outed himself, could you point out the blue breadcrumbs because I'm not seeing them? The only ones I saw were in pre-game which don't mean anything to me. | ||
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On March 15 2013 04:54 TheRavensName wrote: This is where I mentioned it. PS: Oe your right both times, my bad. On March 10 2013 04:46 Krafla wrote: Good evening all, sorry for my period of absence over the lynch. Well done on catching a scum on Day 1! I'm going to go back and read what happened and then prepare a post for the start of Day 2, I don't see it being productive to share my thoughts in the middle of a night and offer scum something to think about! On March 10 2013 05:41 Krafla wrote: Yeah I realise how bad I look now, so I'm just going to have to try extra hard scum hunting in Day 2. You mean these? That seems especially tenuous at best. Especially considering: On March 10 2013 09:54 Krafla wrote: I did not breadcrumb, I didn't want to risk mafia finding it and I wasn't confident enough in my ability to hide something without it being obvious. | ||
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On March 14 2013 09:53 geript wrote: I've been thinking a while and I think this is the main reason why I'm suspicious of Omni. At the end of D1, Artctic was clearly the scummiest lurker around IMO by a wide margin. The points that Raven and WoS re: Arctic had made were pretty clear. Yet, throughout OE's filter even from early on he seems to be defending Arctic and deflecting to Taco. From a town perspective, I can understand why OE found Taco as many of us did, but what I cannot understand from a town perspective ESPECIALLY using 'scummiest lurker' as a guide is why OE would try to shift votes toward Taco who was FAR less scummy that Arctic. I can understand why, from a town perspective, he would want to question seemingly random votes. However I cannot understand why from that viewpoint he would seemingly focus more on random votes on Arctic more than other seemingly random votes. The last point that I can't understand from a town perspective is why he would stop pressuring a lurker to stop lurking once they posted a little bit. His premise is that lurkers are bad for town which is a simple and straight forward position to take from either side. Yet now he's completely lurks. If he (as town) really wants to push people to not lurking, then there is no reason to stop pushing them. From a town perspective with this basis he should be trying hard to fight against lurkers and pressuring them constantly. However, I don't see him doing that at all. While his filter is longer, it doesn't look to me that he's doing more than trying to appear active and helpful. This is the basis of scum: he doesn't follow through on his perceived 'town' agenda--This is scum mentality. He also doesn't try to push his 'town' agenda (scummiest lurker) against the obvious target--Arctic--because it goes against his actual agenda of keeping Scum alive. This makes him Scum. Vote OE. | ||
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##unvote ##vote mluneth OE I expect far more from you than this irl stuff. I understand that life can be hectic etc, but you you at least be providing dot points as to why your scum reads are scum. Your initial cases were bad; your posts have been ineffective; I'm still confused as to why anyone thinks/thought you are town. There's just a much worse fish on the block. | ||
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1. No scum hunting period 2. Implied guilt out the wazoo 3. Called NW's case on CoS bad for no reason 4. Flip flops on CoS being a lurking pos 5. Flip flops on targeting lurkers being good 6. Does try to pressure anyone ever 7. Shit flinging as primary means of 'scum hunting' 8. Never gives a reason for anything 9. Is scum | ||
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On March 15 2013 09:25 Sn0_Man wrote: Alright, I won't be around for the lynch (or possibly for quite a while thereafter) but my vote is down, and I'm standing by it. I'll admit that it may have been a somewhat emotional reaction to Omni's re-entry, but I fail to see how that excuses him. Martyring like that is utterly unacceptable. I can't in any good conscience vote anybody else today. So my vote stands. I'd encourage you guys to take out Omni as well, for the shit he just pulled, although at this stage I wont fault anybody for voting MLuneth either (I did a quick jaunt through his filter in the downtime. I have no idea how you guys didn't lynch him yesterday... oh yeah that comes back to Omni too). I'm tired and need to get to bed, but I wanted to point out this quote. As town, I would never and have never seen multiple people making a case against one person and not go back and read said filter. Especially when said filter is ridiculously short. Sn0 has time to go through bduddy's filter to suggest him, but hasn't gone through the cases on Luneth? That's not lazy town, that's someone looking for a good alternate to save a scum buddy. This is setup speculation and you can ignore this if you want, but Acro in the previous NMM didn't feel bad in any way about town only being afforded 2 mislynches. At 10 town to 3 mafia, assuming 1 NK every night and a mislynch every day, this gives town 3 mislynches. Adding to the fact that we have a JK, that can be a pretty huge difference in buying more time. I'm just not thinking it's going to be quite so straight forwards as 9-4 makes much more sense into the 2 mislynch idea. | ||
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Also OE, I hope no hard feelings. I'm very curious how Rainbow had that strong of a read on you because I didn't get that at all. | ||
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On March 18 2013 08:27 Rainbows wrote: Omni, props to you for being so blatantly town-aligned despite being on the wrong tracks most of the game. :D What did you see that you came to this conclusion because I obviously didn't. It was just after you became more active that I felt I had a good read on you; plus the MLuneth stuff made total sense. My only criticism of your play (and take this with a grain of salt clearly) is that I'd like to see more open thought process from you. | ||
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