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On March 06 2013 12:39 MeatlessTaco wrote: Repeating my question from before, it wasn't meant for the mods, but for helpful vets:
What is a balanced number of mafia for a 13 player vanilla game?
generally 3 mafia, potential SK give or take 1 mafioso
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On March 06 2013 12:43 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2013 12:41 OmniEulogy wrote:On March 06 2013 12:39 MeatlessTaco wrote: Repeating my question from before, it wasn't meant for the mods, but for helpful vets:
What is a balanced number of mafia for a 13 player vanilla game?
generally 3 mafia, potential SK give or take 1 mafioso Thanks helpful vet
I DIDN'T SEE YOU ANSWERING IN THE 30 SECONDS HE POSTED DID I MOCSTA?!
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On March 06 2013 12:46 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2013 12:44 OmniEulogy wrote:On March 06 2013 12:43 Mocsta wrote:On March 06 2013 12:41 OmniEulogy wrote:On March 06 2013 12:39 MeatlessTaco wrote: Repeating my question from before, it wasn't meant for the mods, but for helpful vets:
What is a balanced number of mafia for a 13 player vanilla game?
generally 3 mafia, potential SK give or take 1 mafioso Thanks helpful vet I DIDN'T SEE YOU ANSWERING IN THE 30 SECONDS HE POSTED DID I MOCSTA?! cos im not a vet lol-cakes
and the sole reason is because you don't know the answers to these questions. Cmon man! lol
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Hopefully it's a good time for me lol
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##Vote: Promethelax Trying to lynch Host / Guardian icon. Clearly Terran scum pretending to be town coach.
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hopefully I've gotta go out before stores close... I might just go now and be back by the time it starts
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that's what I've got as well. but if I'm wrong and it is 9 not a big deal
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well.. I'm gonna go to sleep so hopefully when it's a better time for the EU/AUS guys we'll get some discussion going.
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damn you guys got active after I went to sleep I missed out on the only period of time where I could have messed around that being said I like the activity from some of you. ^_^ Weak read on Krafla already but so little has happened that it can change quickly.
Why even bother mentioning it then? I'm going to try playing this game out as honest as possible and try to let you guys know my thought process as often as possible. As the game progresses and hopefully as my actions will prove me to be town to the rest of you, you will be able to trust that what I say does indeed come from the mouth of a townie. I don't expect anybody to believe me at this stage in the game but as I said hopefully as we progress my actions will make it more and more clear to you all.
@Krafla our of curiosity (and as I believe you are actually here) how do you feel about having a no-lynch if we run into a dead-end at the end of D1?
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On March 07 2013 23:12 Matriarch wrote: we ARE supposed to be helping our neighbors. This is a newbie game and we are still learning AND how are we supposed to find scum without help from each other?
I agree, Although I don't think it would be wise to take everything at face value right away from anybody, it is pretty simple to get some type of idea in your head of who is honestly trying to push a town agenda and hunt scum vs lurkers and people who don't contribute in a meaningful way. Then choose to believe / work together with the people who are highest on your town side. WoS does have a point though, this early it is very important to be skeptical of everybody so that scum doesn't infiltrate town and possibly even take over it.
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On March 07 2013 23:31 Frorgon wrote: I want to see if anyone lurks really bad because that could affect my decision.
Kinda interesting as in all of my newbie games so far, the biggest lurkers have at least 1 or 2 scum in them. I think it's a solid place to start looking but also very difficult if too many people do it. Which is why my 1st post basically begged people to contribute if they are town. Not doing so will most likely lead to a townie getting lynched at one point
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On March 07 2013 23:34 Krafla wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2013 23:09 OmniEulogy wrote:damn you guys got active after I went to sleep I missed out on the only period of time where I could have messed around that being said I like the activity from some of you. ^_^ Weak read on Krafla already but so little has happened that it can change quickly. Why even bother mentioning it then? I'm going to try playing this game out as honest as possible and try to let you guys know my thought process as often as possible. As the game progresses and hopefully as my actions will prove me to be town to the rest of you, you will be able to trust that what I say does indeed come from the mouth of a townie. I don't expect anybody to believe me at this stage in the game but as I said hopefully as we progress my actions will make it more and more clear to you all. @Krafla our of curiosity (and as I believe you are actually here) how do you feel about having a no-lynch if we run into a dead-end at the end of D1? My gut says a no-lynch would be a bad thing because we wouldn't learn anything from it, although, this is my first game so I don't have any experience to back up that feeling with! Is a no-lynch generally considered better than a miss-lynch on the first day? I still don't like the fact that we've got a few people that we haven't heard from and we're 14 hours or so into the game, I can't help but feel that we're giving them an easy ride if they are scum lurking. I'm still happy to give them the benefit of the doubt but this time tomorrow if we still haven't heard anything from anyone, then I think we seriously need to start asking why!
Generally no, I believe a no-lynch is a terrible idea D1. It basically gives scum a free night kill and town gain no information.
As far as Artic goes it is possible he's still sleeping / at school as the game started a little bit later than I had expected and it is still early in the morning where he is. I'll give him till this afternoon until I start to worry about him.
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EBWOP: missed an entire sentence =/
Even if we miss-lynch D1, the information we should be able to gain from it if we don't horribly botch it should make up for losing a townie. As I understand it, it's very rare in newbie games to lynch scum D1.
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On March 07 2013 23:31 OmniEulogy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2013 23:12 Matriarch wrote: we ARE supposed to be helping our neighbors. This is a newbie game and we are still learning AND how are we supposed to find scum without help from each other?
I agree, Although I don't think it would be wise to take everything at face value right away from anybody, it is pretty simple to get some type of idea in your head of who is honestly trying to push a town agenda and hunt scum vs lurkers and people who don't contribute in a meaningful way. Then choose to believe / work together with the people who are highest on your town side. WoS does have a point though, this early it is very important to be skeptical of everybody so that scum doesn't infiltrate town and possibly even take over it.
EBWOP: Said WoS, meant Taco. my bad
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Alright.. not much to work with and if anybody has any counter-questions for me please ask. Even if you think it's a dumb question, it's best to get them out of the way. I'd like to try and get some discussion going so..
@MLuneth Could you expand on why you chose Arctic to vote on when there were others (bduddy, ChewOnStu) without any content as well. Other than it just being a coin flip.
@Krafla[spoiler]karla[/spoiler] Although you believe we may be giving some lurkers too easy of a time how do you feel about Luneth's vote on Arctic vs the other lurkers? Do you think it was too early to cast a serious vote on someone who has not been present or was it a justified action in your eyes?
@ChewOnStu Welcome to the game On the subject of lurkers, how do you feel we should deal with them if not for voting on them/lynching them when they become a problem? Every vote is meant to lynch so without that pressure how do we force bad town/scum to participate? I do agree that it is too early to assume anybody is lurking and not just busy but it is important to be able to react quickly, especially on D1.
@WoS you mentioned strategies town should implement, or rather asked about them. I was hoping you could expand on your own thoughts on the matter. Do you have anything to say about my opening post or anything to add to it?
@Matriarch How do you feel about the Lynch All Liars policy. Should town attempt to coax out scum by lying and possibly confusing the rest of us / hurting town in the process?
@Raven same question as above, how do you feel about Lynching all Liars. As Scum has to lie to survive do you think this would add pressure and eventually lead to a correct lynch if we caught somebody?
@Rainbows You mention Luneth being scummy, what do you think about his vote on Arctic? As Arctic has yet to show up, do you think it is more town oriented (trying to get a lurker to post) or scummy (attacking the easiest player early on in hopes that Arctic doesn't defend himself).
@Frorgon You mention suspicious behavior being one of the key things you will be looking for, is there anything you could note so far that you would consider suspicious?
@NobodyWonder You say you don't want to lynch anybody D1 if it is unjustified, could you expand and does that mean if we have no concrete proof of scum you will vote to no-lynch or would you get rid of the scummiest lurker?
@Arctic Can give us your thoughts on what has happened so far and answer most of the questions I have asked to the others.
@Taco Could you give your thoughts on Luneth voting for Arctic, which alignment do you believe it favors?
If I missed anybody sorry =/
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On March 08 2013 02:11 Rainbows wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2013 02:06 OmniEulogy wrote:Alright.. not much to work with and if anybody has any counter-questions for me please ask. Even if you think it's a dumb question, it's best to get them out of the way. I'd like to try and get some discussion going so.. @MLuneth Could you expand on why you chose Arctic to vote on when there were others (bduddy, ChewOnStu) without any content as well. Other than it just being a coin flip. @Krafla[spoiler]karla[/spoiler] Although you believe we may be giving some lurkers too easy of a time how do you feel about Luneth's vote on Arctic vs the other lurkers? Do you think it was too early to cast a serious vote on someone who has not been present or was it a justified action in your eyes? @ChewOnStu Welcome to the game On the subject of lurkers, how do you feel we should deal with them if not for voting on them/lynching them when they become a problem? Every vote is meant to lynch so without that pressure how do we force bad town/scum to participate? I do agree that it is too early to assume anybody is lurking and not just busy but it is important to be able to react quickly, especially on D1. @WoS you mentioned strategies town should implement, or rather asked about them. I was hoping you could expand on your own thoughts on the matter. Do you have anything to say about my opening post or anything to add to it? @Matriarch How do you feel about the Lynch All Liars policy. Should town attempt to coax out scum by lying and possibly confusing the rest of us / hurting town in the process? @Raven same question as above, how do you feel about Lynching all Liars. As Scum has to lie to survive do you think this would add pressure and eventually lead to a correct lynch if we caught somebody? @Rainbows You mention Luneth being scummy, what do you think about his vote on Arctic? As Arctic has yet to show up, do you think it is more town oriented (trying to get a lurker to post) or scummy (attacking the easiest player early on in hopes that Arctic doesn't defend himself). @Frorgon You mention suspicious behavior being one of the key things you will be looking for, is there anything you could note so far that you would consider suspicious? @NobodyWonder You say you don't want to lynch anybody D1 if it is unjustified, could you expand and does that mean if we have no concrete proof of scum you will vote to no-lynch or would you get rid of the scummiest lurker? @Arctic Can give us your thoughts on what has happened so far and answer most of the questions I have asked to the others. @Taco Could you give your thoughts on Luneth voting for Arctic, which alignment do you believe it favors? If I missed anybody sorry =/ Oh my God this post is scummy. Half the people aren't going to respond to the questions, and, more likely, you won't get a read on them from their answer. These questions will acheive nothing. Pressuring the entire thread to talk is pointless.
- Claims scummy - Doesn't answer question - Also I'm not pressuring at least 8-9 people with those questions - Means he didn't read the questions.
Good to you know you have so little to say about so much Rainbows
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On March 08 2013 02:20 Rainbows wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2013 02:13 OmniEulogy wrote:On March 08 2013 02:11 Rainbows wrote:On March 08 2013 02:06 OmniEulogy wrote:Alright.. not much to work with and if anybody has any counter-questions for me please ask. Even if you think it's a dumb question, it's best to get them out of the way. I'd like to try and get some discussion going so.. @MLuneth Could you expand on why you chose Arctic to vote on when there were others (bduddy, ChewOnStu) without any content as well. Other than it just being a coin flip. @Krafla[spoiler]karla[/spoiler] Although you believe we may be giving some lurkers too easy of a time how do you feel about Luneth's vote on Arctic vs the other lurkers? Do you think it was too early to cast a serious vote on someone who has not been present or was it a justified action in your eyes? @ChewOnStu Welcome to the game On the subject of lurkers, how do you feel we should deal with them if not for voting on them/lynching them when they become a problem? Every vote is meant to lynch so without that pressure how do we force bad town/scum to participate? I do agree that it is too early to assume anybody is lurking and not just busy but it is important to be able to react quickly, especially on D1. @WoS you mentioned strategies town should implement, or rather asked about them. I was hoping you could expand on your own thoughts on the matter. Do you have anything to say about my opening post or anything to add to it? @Matriarch How do you feel about the Lynch All Liars policy. Should town attempt to coax out scum by lying and possibly confusing the rest of us / hurting town in the process? @Raven same question as above, how do you feel about Lynching all Liars. As Scum has to lie to survive do you think this would add pressure and eventually lead to a correct lynch if we caught somebody? @Rainbows You mention Luneth being scummy, what do you think about his vote on Arctic? As Arctic has yet to show up, do you think it is more town oriented (trying to get a lurker to post) or scummy (attacking the easiest player early on in hopes that Arctic doesn't defend himself). @Frorgon You mention suspicious behavior being one of the key things you will be looking for, is there anything you could note so far that you would consider suspicious? @NobodyWonder You say you don't want to lynch anybody D1 if it is unjustified, could you expand and does that mean if we have no concrete proof of scum you will vote to no-lynch or would you get rid of the scummiest lurker? @Arctic Can give us your thoughts on what has happened so far and answer most of the questions I have asked to the others. @Taco Could you give your thoughts on Luneth voting for Arctic, which alignment do you believe it favors? If I missed anybody sorry =/ Oh my God this post is scummy. Half the people aren't going to respond to the questions, and, more likely, you won't get a read on them from their answer. These questions will acheive nothing. Pressuring the entire thread to talk is pointless. - Claims scummy - Doesn't answer question - Also I'm not pressuring at least 8-9 people with those questions - Means he didn't read the questions. Good to you know you have so little to say about so much Rainbows If you're not pressuring people, then what is the purpose of asking questions? To fling shit around? Get a clusterfuck of posts going up in here? Most of your questions will produce non-alignment indicative answers, and more likely nobody will expand on them at all. If you're town seriously focus on one subject at a time, other than taking everything that's been said, and asking people to "expand" on it.
If you can't figure it out OR read it's not my problem. Your soft town claim, and the fact that you can't realize that the majority of the questions focus on Luneth is amazing. Also your ability to only focus on one thing at a time only is interesting, I assume you tunnel people blindly with that state of mind as well. So you think Luneth is scummy for no reason? ok.
On March 08 2013 01:55 Rainbows wrote: MLuneth is scum. Doesn't want to vote Nobodywonder but agrees his actions are scummy.
Discuss.
"While I believe that nobodywonder's actions have been suspicious and that his case is less than stellar, I feel that it is foolish to lynch someone who has made an addition to the game (albeit at this point small) should not be lynched over a person that has simply lurked for 2 days straight. I feel I need to point out that Frogon, as well as Krafla and Matriarch (to a lesser extent) have all input a similar amount of information as nobodywonder."
He compares NW to four other players (raven in his next post) and states that he's done more than two(at that point) others and you wonder why he didn't vote for him, and THAT is what strikes you as making him scum? Practice what you preach and contribute something useful for town instead of blindly being arrogant.
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On March 08 2013 02:41 Rainbows wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2013 02:34 OmniEulogy wrote:On March 08 2013 02:20 Rainbows wrote:On March 08 2013 02:13 OmniEulogy wrote:On March 08 2013 02:11 Rainbows wrote:On March 08 2013 02:06 OmniEulogy wrote:Alright.. not much to work with and if anybody has any counter-questions for me please ask. Even if you think it's a dumb question, it's best to get them out of the way. I'd like to try and get some discussion going so.. @MLuneth Could you expand on why you chose Arctic to vote on when there were others (bduddy, ChewOnStu) without any content as well. Other than it just being a coin flip. @Krafla[spoiler]karla[/spoiler] Although you believe we may be giving some lurkers too easy of a time how do you feel about Luneth's vote on Arctic vs the other lurkers? Do you think it was too early to cast a serious vote on someone who has not been present or was it a justified action in your eyes? @ChewOnStu Welcome to the game On the subject of lurkers, how do you feel we should deal with them if not for voting on them/lynching them when they become a problem? Every vote is meant to lynch so without that pressure how do we force bad town/scum to participate? I do agree that it is too early to assume anybody is lurking and not just busy but it is important to be able to react quickly, especially on D1. @WoS you mentioned strategies town should implement, or rather asked about them. I was hoping you could expand on your own thoughts on the matter. Do you have anything to say about my opening post or anything to add to it? @Matriarch How do you feel about the Lynch All Liars policy. Should town attempt to coax out scum by lying and possibly confusing the rest of us / hurting town in the process? @Raven same question as above, how do you feel about Lynching all Liars. As Scum has to lie to survive do you think this would add pressure and eventually lead to a correct lynch if we caught somebody? @Rainbows You mention Luneth being scummy, what do you think about his vote on Arctic? As Arctic has yet to show up, do you think it is more town oriented (trying to get a lurker to post) or scummy (attacking the easiest player early on in hopes that Arctic doesn't defend himself). @Frorgon You mention suspicious behavior being one of the key things you will be looking for, is there anything you could note so far that you would consider suspicious? @NobodyWonder You say you don't want to lynch anybody D1 if it is unjustified, could you expand and does that mean if we have no concrete proof of scum you will vote to no-lynch or would you get rid of the scummiest lurker? @Arctic Can give us your thoughts on what has happened so far and answer most of the questions I have asked to the others. @Taco Could you give your thoughts on Luneth voting for Arctic, which alignment do you believe it favors? If I missed anybody sorry =/ Oh my God this post is scummy. Half the people aren't going to respond to the questions, and, more likely, you won't get a read on them from their answer. These questions will acheive nothing. Pressuring the entire thread to talk is pointless. - Claims scummy - Doesn't answer question - Also I'm not pressuring at least 8-9 people with those questions - Means he didn't read the questions. Good to you know you have so little to say about so much Rainbows If you're not pressuring people, then what is the purpose of asking questions? To fling shit around? Get a clusterfuck of posts going up in here? Most of your questions will produce non-alignment indicative answers, and more likely nobody will expand on them at all. If you're town seriously focus on one subject at a time, other than taking everything that's been said, and asking people to "expand" on it. If you can't figure it out OR read it's not my problem. Your soft town claim, and the fact that you can't realize that the majority of the questions focus on Luneth is amazing. Also your ability to only focus on one thing at a time only is interesting, I assume you tunnel people blindly with that state of mind as well. So you think Luneth is scummy for no reason? ok. On March 08 2013 01:55 Rainbows wrote: MLuneth is scum. Doesn't want to vote Nobodywonder but agrees his actions are scummy.
Discuss. "While I believe that nobodywonder's actions have been suspicious and that his case is less than stellar, I feel that it is foolish to lynch someone who has made an addition to the game (albeit at this point small) should not be lynched over a person that has simply lurked for 2 days straight. I feel I need to point out that Frogon, as well as Krafla and Matriarch (to a lesser extent) have all input a similar amount of information as nobodywonder." He compares NW to four other players (raven in his next post) and states that he's done more than two(at that point) others and you wonder why he didn't vote for him, and THAT is what strikes you as making him scum? Practice what you preach and contribute something useful for town instead of blindly being arrogant. The fact that you can't see this is a mentality arguement is hilarious. But still, you're cute and I like you. So much vigor, even if it's madness! Also, it's super early game calm yourself
I will say that I liked your early posts and I am fairly passive aggressive so I apologize for that and I do find it odd that Luneth placed a vote on Arctic so early, but I disagree that he seems scummy because of his unwillingness to vote on NW
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On March 08 2013 02:52 Rainbows wrote: What I'm saying is -- his vote on Arctic makes no sense, because he'd rather vote a lurker over a suspicious player.
Voting a lurker does nothing really. Voting someone suspect makes them talk.
I agree with you there, I don't think the vote makes much sense either and I'm trying to decide on if he just attacked an easy player or not, and if Arctic never does contest it it would be very easy for scum to latch onto him early and ride D1 out safely that way. I just re-read the first few pages and he does explain why he didn't vote for NW but considering he does that and then puts a serious vote on Arctic... I can see misguided townie and scum motivation behind it.
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