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What does FoS stand for again? | ||
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Glad to see things picking up a bit now. As far as the discussion on "lurkers", I don't think it can be considered an applicable label for anyone as of yet, I mean there is still a lot of time left in day 1. But I will definitely be keeping my eye out over the next few hours.I also agree that I'd rather find a logical reason to lynch someone on day 1 instead of just randomly choosing someone. I'm not afraid to call people out but it seems quite scummy to just attack someone without any useful contribution behind it. Also bduddy, you can claim you are lurking for personal reasons, but how are we to know this is true? You were warned before this game started that you should only commit if you had the proper amount of free time. A busy schedule is no excuse, so I do hope you contribute. | ||
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@OmniEulogy I'm wondering why you asked me about what I thought was suspicious behavior. I clearly explained that in my initial post about the matter. It made me a bit uneasy about whether or not you were trying to get redundant information posted to cloud up the thread. As Wave said, the amount of posts you had started to raise a red flag for me. And don't get me wrong, it's not necessarily the amount of posts you had that was bad, it was that you seemed to be drowning the thread for a while with just your thoughts and limited discussion from others. That being said, I feel better about your contributions in the past few pages since other people have shown up. | ||
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Frorgon
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Nobodywonder still looking real scummy. Unvotes bduddy after the terrible explanation provided. I'm thinking they could both be scum covering for each other. NW makes a case early on against bduddy without actually being serious about it so there are no reprocussions. Bduddy has his suspicion on people who in my opinion don't same overly scummy as of yet, and is defending NW. Right now I'm narrowing down my vote between NW and bduddy and I plan to make an actual vote shortly after they respond, if they respond. There should still be a decent amount of time on the clock for D1 after my vote. | ||
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As everyone is bandwagoning on nobodywonder, bduddy is able to sit back and not do anything. Still nothing from him since I last posted hours ago. Therefore, ##Vote: bduddy | ||
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Frorgon
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But again if you want to start coming after people you consider to be lurkers, at least go after the ones who are contributing the least. | ||
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After looking at your filters I suppose you have posted more but you're still not as prolific as many others in this thread. Now you've said that my case for my vote isn't good, despite saying earlier in the thread that my case against bduddy was sound. I have stuck to my word on that, as he has not done anything to help his cause. I agree that nobodywonder has done things to help his cause in the past few hours, so my decision was a pretty easy one to make. @Omni There is no way I am contributing the least. This just isn't true. Can you really say that I am contributing less than bduddy? I have been consistent in my posts for my reasoning, and I think that is most important. I threw some suspicions your way, but you really shouldn't be all too concerned about it because you admitted that you didn't expect people to unconditionally trust you on D1. | ||
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Meanwhile, you ignore my questions towards you completely and instead try to turn the discussion onto me. I'd still like to hear your response to my question of why you loved Omni's initial read on me so much. | ||
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But basically right now it seems as if my vote on bduddy is going to be pretty useless, though a vote on nobodywonder seems to be the easy way out. The case against him gets weaker by the moment. | ||
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##Vote: MeatlessTaco I am going to take a stand now to see if we can get more people onboard. I think nobodywonder does make a good point that we don't gain much information from lynching Arctic D1. I do find it curious that Meatless has disappeared after getting everyone to antagonize NW, maybe thinking that his job was done for the day. Lets see if he can defend himself. | ||
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That being said, I'd really like to see what the people who voted NW have to say now. A lot has changed since then and I'd like to see any new thoughts they might have. | ||
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Since there's already 3 votes his way it may be a good choice. And I've never been entirely sure on Meatless. | ||
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##Vote: Arctic Daishi I want to make sure we come to a consensus here. We can worry about Taco on D2. | ||
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I will just add that this should not be cause for anyone to change their vote. He could be playing dumb in order to fool us into thinking he's a bad townie and changing our votes. All the NW voters, where the fuck are you? | ||
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Also Omni, when I made my vote it was still tied with NW receiving the most votes first. So he was still set to be lynched. I was never completely convinced of your case against Taco. And Arctic certainly seemed scummy to me so why not change over to save NW? I was pretty sure at that point that not enough people would come over to Taco anyway to prevent a NW lynch. | ||
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If anything, Taco's comments tonight have been good. | ||
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At this point I'm not so sure I can suspect Geript because he replaced someone who was a lurker. And the lurking was the main thing making Chew look scummy. I assume the replacement was because Chew was no longer available. There's not much to work off of there as of now. | ||
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Despite the disappearance, I'm still leaning town on him. - Wave offers to hunt scum with him. He declines. If he was scum I feel like he would have been more willing to go along with it because he might be able to influence Wave's decision making to his liking that way. - Changes his vote to me after claiming that a NW bandwagon gives scum an easy chance to hide. - Any return and vote change would probably have made him look even more suspicious than he does now. If he returned and voted for Arctic it would have looked like a buss, and if he returned and voted for NW it would have looked like he was trying to defend Arctic. The isn't entirely conclusive so I would still like to hear from Rainbows himself about his thoughts on what has happened since he left. | ||
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I agree that Geript needs to be more useful. He needs to make reads and give opinions. I don't like his just sitting back and casting one liners at people without adding anything else. I disagree that Taco keeps making himself worse. He made a decent attempt at some reads just now. For example he could have easily spun his read on me to claim that I was scum because people are still unsure about me, but he didn't His scum read on Krafla is reasonable because I'm also suspicious that Krafla was lying. So tell me Omni, what about Taco's behavior lately is making him look more scummy? | ||
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##Vote: MLuneth | ||
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As far as Krafla, I agree that it could be a total lie, but you need to actually read the discussion about this. Basically, if WoS was jailed, it makes it entirely possible that Mafia randomly chose who to roleblock and chose correctly. This has already been explained. And it's fairly plausible because Krafla wasn't very active on D1 but blues don't necessarily want to look too threatening off the bat. I'd also like you to try to explain why we should be voting for OE rather than to try and get Rainbows to do all the work and tell you why you shouldn't. Or are you trying to keep quiet? @Matriarch where are you? | ||
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On March 11 2013 05:50 bduddy wrote: Speaking of the other piece of information we have - would it be at all worth it for our town roleblocker to claim now with who they blocked? I guess he's not a one-shot or he presumably would have done so already, but getting rid of another mafia in exchange for that seems like a good trade to me. Of course there are risks - fakeclaims, maybe we have more than one roleblocker, maybe the mafia is pulling some ridiculous gambit - I'm not saying anyone should do it now, I just want to start a discussion. Whoa whoa whoa... I don't see any reason for anyone else to blue claim right now unless they want to make themselves a target for the Mafia. Especially considering that the roleblock was not likely placed on the mafia. Or if the roleblocker was able to RB the mafia with kill power, the mafia roleblocker would use that information to roleblock him and ensure that the kill goes through next time. That is a terrible idea. | ||
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I mean it's pretty tough to tell until they talk today, and they're going to have to vote at some point. That will help me know what my priority order is. I mean Matriarch could take the heat off of herself pretty easily at this point if she would contribute something. | ||
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Krafla, I don't know how you expect the mafia to have suspected you for targeting Luneth unless you post saying "I checked Luneth" didn't actually go through after the deadline. I was always a little scared when you posted that because there had been no official call to the end of N1. Otherwise, yes, the chances were slim that they would have guessed and landed on you, but it could've happened. I don't see any other way for them to have known. @MLuneth weak and confusing case on Rainbows. My vote stays the same. Still no Meatless and Matriarch, less than 8 hours to go. Almost making this too easy as far as who we're going to lynch. I'm just going to end up yawning and putting in a vote instantly at the start of D3. | ||
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##Unvote ##Vote: Meatless Taco | ||
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On March 12 2013 08:40 TheRavensName wrote: I hate meatless more, we can get ML tomorrow. What he said. | ||
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Don't let this guy slip another day. Luneth, if you think this is unwarranted, be useful today. | ||
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Omni Not a good voting record here. Looking back at his entire filter, he's only voted on 3 people ever: myself, Arctic, and Meatless. 2 are confirmed to be wrong (maybe not in everyone's eyes but certainly in mine). He did change to Meatless before joining the AD bandwagon, but keep in mind that at this point Nobodywonder had a lot of votes, and if he was scum maybe he was hoping NW would get lynched without looking responsible. Then he cleverly set up another town for lynch day 2. Now consider his thought process. Omni himself admits that his vote on me was done without much to go on besides lurking. That's fine; this can be a pressure vote and get the person to come out and contribute more. The thing is, he hasn't been consistent doing this. A lot of people in this game have cast several pressure votes early on and changed them. Not Omni. He decided to attack me before figuring that Meatless might be an easier and more convincing target. He then proceeded to tunnel Meatless for 2 days. No real talk about AD other than "yeah I agree he's looking scummy", and not much on Luneth at all. Now the bickering with geript has been interesting. A distraction, perhaps? People started getting uneasy at the seemingly meaningless argument between them, which distracts from the real task at hand. And in the end Omni got his wish and got Taco lynched. This could still be nothing though because if its' Luneth and Omni as the 2 other scum, that's game right there. I'm just looking for connections and people working together. All I know is I want more actual contribution from geript and less stupid jokes. Easy for you to claim you've been onto Omni all along when a mislynch was happening anyway. Rainbows Looked quickly through his filter and he still comes up pro-town for me. For some reason when I was thinking about this earlier away from my computer I wondered if there was a connection between him and Omni, but there doesn't appear to be. Rainbows did vote for NW and myself on day 1 before lurking, but then he spent day 2 pushing for a MLuneth lynch relentlessly and given that Wave was killed for doing the same thing I tend to think that is pro-town behavior. In Conclusion I want MLuneth lynched today because he is scum and we will learn a lot from it. But I'm really starting to question Omni's bad reads. He posts a lot and people tend to listen because it looks like he put a lot of time into his cases. But just because a case is long doesn't mean it isn't filled with misinformation and inaccuracies. In fact, the chance of this increases. Also, I'm concerned about those who replaced the lurkers. You guys really have to prove yourselves because the lurkers were looking pretty bad before you came in. It makes it really hard to proceed with the constant change so if you guys aren't helpful I'm going to assume that you have something to hide. I look forward to hearing from everyone. | ||
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I'm still saying that a MLuneth lynching today would be the best way to go. We can learn a lot from it because it appears that at least one of the mafia is blending in well and will be difficult to catch. If Luneth flips scum, Omni looks worse because he always seemed to ignore Luneth as much as possible. However, if he flips town it basically clears Omni and puts heavy suspicion on Geript and Rainbows. I don't think we're going to be able to figure out the more devious mafia until we get rid of Luneth. I mean Rainbows pushed me and NW day one and then lurked. Then he pushed Luneth all day on day 2. Geript meanwhile has been just trying to push an Omni lynch days 2 and 3. I'm not ready to lynch Omni today because there is not enough proof. Just like there isn't enough proof on Geript. A Luneth lynch should prove who the true bad guys are so he needs to go down. | ||
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Now as far as the benefit to Krafla claiming blue at the end of N1, we did use that information to try and piece together what was happening and know that Wave was town getting jailed. So I'm not sure how good or bad it was. It certainly seems worse now because we were almost sure it was game yesterday and now things are a lot more up in the air. Meanwhile, Omni spent N1 noting who the best targets for the mafia were. (Yeah I trusted WoS too, but I wasn't going to announce that to everyone during the night!). And of course I raised the "red flag" about Omni first, early in day 1. Just a slight FoS. Oddly enough he came after me hard right after that. Now I know I've talked a lot about Omni while still voting MLuneth. But the cases on Luneth have already been made, from sitting on a NW vote D1, to disappearing and making weak cases in D2. And basically when we lynch Luneth, if he somehow comes up town I'd be inclined to think Omni is innocent. Otherwise he is guilty as sin. So this finds out, and I'm pretty sure we'll lynch scum in the process. Glad there are a few others on board as of now. What do you say Omni? Now that you were wrong on Taco you should vote Luneth with us! | ||
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On March 14 2013 09:20 MLuneth wrote: To add to this, ChewOnStu, the person that greipt replaced sheeped the NW vote without changing and lurked, certainly super scummy behaviour. Which is the exact same thing that you did. Except I'm more likely to believe that Chew did this for benign reasons because he was replaced. | ||
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On March 14 2013 11:32 Sn0_Man wrote: At this point I really want to hear some kind of defense out of omni before I continue researching him. He hasn't had any real pressure on him previously so this ought to tell us a lot. On the other hand, he scrubbed out of my last mafia game with him due to PC issues so who knows whats up... I have a few problems with this post. One being that you want some defense from Omni before you research him. Don't wait for the defense, do research first, make a case, then ask for a defense. Back it up with a vote. If you're not gonna research anything before you hear a defense, why should Omni stop lurking? Also, I'm pretty sure referencing past games in this thread is a no-no and WoS was already warned for doing it. | ||
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On March 14 2013 23:36 Sn0_Man wrote: I still feel like somebody has got to be responsible for the mislynch yesterday and you are going to have a hard time convincing me that that is MLuneth... (I still think it's either geript for mucking up the thread or, as others are pointing out, Omni but he won't defend himself...) Actually, it feels a bit like Omni is getting out of this lynch by... being afk? :/ So we target somebody else because they respond... (admittedly, MLuneth seems to be digging himself a hole every time he opens his mouth). The way I look at the mislynch yesterday, it was mainly poor play by Taco. Luneth was set to be lynched and OE wasn't really convincing all of us. Despite some cases on Taco I decided to keep my vote on Luneth. I only changed it when Taco came back with a bad attitude and provided a shitty defense. Same with a few others I think. But I will admit that if Luneth got lynched yesterday my top candidate going into today would have been Taco. I don't think Geript mucking up the thread had much to do with that though. As far as Omni getting out of being lynched by being afk, I think it's a number of factors. First of all his previous play didn't have me convinced. Secondly, like you said, Luneth digs a deeper hole when he responds. Third, I think there is some regret when the wrong choice was made yesterday after we were so close to getting Luneth. To respond to your claims on bduddy, I haven't forgotten him. But I'm going with who looks the scummiest right now. If Luneth somehow flips town then there's really a lot of deep searching to do. But at the moment I interpret bduddy's play as inexperienced town. I have called him out every time he's said something dumb and I don't intend to give him a free ride. | ||
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Thank god we didn't put this off another day. Now...about those who thought we should... | ||
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##Vote: Sn0_man | ||
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So I thought that Rainbows played the best. Solid town contributions all while not getting the mafia to go after him too hard. There wasn't much for me to do after a while because I felt like I couldnt add anything to his excellent cases. Wave played extremely well too, almost too well. Was confirmed town for me after Day 1 but I didn't want to say anything to draw attention to him though. Guess mafia sensed his influence though. Obviously with that kind of play he put a target on his head though and died for it. My thought process was this: Don't speak unless I have something new to add to the discussion. I thought it worked decently because I pushed hard to hold up Wave's mantle and get a Luneth lynch Day 3. Then essentially plugging the idea for the offensive jailing at the end of the game that finished it. But I was also scared to draw too much attention to myself. I'm thinking this is something to avoid in the future though because if I don't die, somebody else will. Might as well try to do as much as I can. But anyway I never made those huge quote filled cases because I trusted people were actually reading. Hoping what I said was decent most of the time. Most of my reads ended up being pretty good I think. This was my first game ever so I was learning as I went. I guess I must have pissed mafia off somehow if they targeted me night 3! Surprised they didnt go for Rainbows. PS: I was not lying about my day 1 lurking due to stomach virus. That shit sucked! I remember waking up thinking that I had to drag myself to the computer and post so I wouldnt be accused of lurking, but then being like "fuck it Im going to puke". Edit (Now that I can): I hope none of the newbie players got offended by any shit talking. It's just part of the game and I'm sure nothing anybody said was personal. Wave got me into playing this and warned me beforehand that he would not necessarily be nice haha | ||
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