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Matter not whether goat, joat or dota. Need me dat milk like NOW. Dripping down my chin is even better. Thats when you know its real thick n creamy. Thinking of all this milk. Thinking of all the  sI think I need to change my underwear now. | ||
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In class? | ||
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Blessed be those players too. May the milk pour freely. (Always) blurry reflection reminded me that i am also a human "a haiku for you" is more haiku than this four syllable cop out Who am I kidding? I'm just killing some spare time With meaningless words. | ||
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I am thinking of you baby and all those exploding milk dreams. Let me know when you need a hand. | ||
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Can suckle the milk out of those hydra heads any day. *Yum Yum* | ||
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it makes complete sense why Chezinu and his "Brown Brotherhood" were summoned successfully  | ||
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Hello fellow townspeople, I am writing from a desolate and close to the sea location slightly south of Rome, called Anzio. I am passing my weekends here, taking a break from my hard studies, and I will contribute my best to hunt scum in this game. ![[image loading]](http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-GGkA5cRt1so/T7QPaXKSSvI/AAAAAAAADJo/YgJgCe2rnTs/s1600/324-180-Giovanni_Falcone.jpg) I aim to take the seat of Mayor. The person in the picture will be the paragon of my play: Giovanni Falcone, Italy's greatest scumhunter of the past centuries. Since this great man was killed by a violent accident following the explosion of 500 Kg of TNT, I plan to achieve more longevity than him in order to achieve our goals. To do so, I will need bodyguards, I will need influence, and most importantly, I will need this seat to be free of scum to make sure that no corrupt politician will escape the vigilant eyes of our Detective(s). For this I can guarantee if you elect me! My agenda
[ ] I have read and agreed with the Terms of Service [ ] Yes, please send me the daily newsletter of Barilla ##Vote MilkSuckler | ||
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On February 26 2013 08:59 Aquanim wrote: MilkSuckler - now you know there are no bodyguards, do you still want to run for office? Yeah, cos pardoner sux pl0x | ||
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On February 26 2013 09:03 Vivax wrote: No, I like MilkSuckler's post, it clearly shows the author's genius. I want your milk baby | ||
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On February 26 2013 09:05 Wade Fell wrote: do you believe milksuckler had that post prepared before the game started? of course he did. Everything about that screams "pre-prepared post" which is fine if he's town but he wrote that when he didn't know his alignment. He could quite easily be scum. Are you Bill Murray? Cos this post feels like Groundhog Day... | ||
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On February 26 2013 09:07 Promethelax wrote: 1. Vote for me, vote for RNG. I have a 1 in five shot at lynching scum and it will be hilariously awesome, You gonna include yourself in that RNG dear | ||
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On February 26 2013 09:09 Toadesstern wrote: okay actually screw that, I checked it. It's not pretty much exactly word for word, it IS word for word copy & paste. So it's not bullshit but supposed to be funny bullshit. Makes it decent and funny. From LIX: click me ##unvote No shit Sherlock, thanks for admitting the humour in this. Vivax got it. | ||
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On February 26 2013 09:13 Wade Fell wrote: Funny but my platform is still lynching you. Not a problem. If what thou hast presented prior is the crux of your platform, then I, shall have no qualms entering this duel. Walk the 10 paces! | ||
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On February 26 2013 09:16 Promethelax wrote: I have a plan. It will be random and it may be a mislynch but it may not be. Vote for me, vote for a real RNG. Too often do scum have the ability to push the day one lynch into a townie, not with me as mayor. With me as mayor scum cannot control the lynch. I just ran an RNG 0-24. I got #4... Ohh sorry prome....Back to the real scum hunting pl0x STARSENSES | ||
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##Unvote ##Vote:layabout Thats the type of insight im talking about! Lets lynch this scummy duelist | ||
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On February 26 2013 09:20 geript wrote: It looks to me that the best person for mayor is someone who is willing to: A. put in the time to read the thread B. both make and evaluate other's cases C. is unlikely to be an early target for NK In this regard I would nominate myself as I am more likely to devote more time to reading (both filters and filter in the context of the thread as a whole) than anyone else. Additionally, I am relatively unknown which removes untoward bias for or against me due to previous games as well as making me a more impartial arbiter as it regards established players. My lynch platform is: Scum read > hard/impossible to read > null read > town read ## vote geript How about... "no" | ||
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On February 26 2013 09:26 Wade Fell wrote: Um, yeah dude you gotta call that shit out or people will see it as townie. They see a big post and are like "hey this looks townie" and if you don't call it out immediately it's bad. In fact, you're glad it was called out. You think it was a good thing, and you think me drawing attention to it was excellent. What's the deal, layabout? Sounds like someone is overcompensating. Its OK Wade, we just gotta piss with the dick we born with  | ||
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On February 26 2013 09:28 ObviousOne wrote: In the spirit of entertaining the thought, do you think it would be possible if there is one clear leading candidate? Such as someone ahead by more votes than the mafia team could possibly swing away to a secondary candidate? Or does the math not work in our favor for this? For example: 13 votes for Candidate A (intended mayor) 5 votes for Candidate B (intended lynch) At this point we could consolidate votes on Candidate A and then move several to B to ensure they are elected pardoner. This could take place after, say, 30-36 hours of the day is complete or something thereabouts. (1) Pardoner sux (2) Read Mafia LIX, 1 vote could have changed everything (3) Top scum read and why pl0x | ||
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On February 26 2013 09:29 Wade Fell wrote: Milksuckler who are you lynching right now is it layabout why/why not Not lynching him. Its early game, we have only minute details to contemplate. With that in consideration I thought he did a decent job of a cock-block. I still don't like you; but the cock-block is a null tell. So Im lynching you so far, simply because I don't like you. Reads subject to change obviously Dear. | ||
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On February 26 2013 09:33 Wade Fell wrote: Yeah there's 0% chance anyone should consider voting you for longer than like 3.5-4 seconds. OooOoO you have me quaking in my boots Mrs. Fell. You're just jealous I had an awesome campaign post as inspiration. Keep trying for those cock-blocks why don't ya. | ||
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On February 26 2013 09:35 geript wrote: As of yet, no. The question is why do you feel my newbie status is important? Actually its the opposite. You become non-existent. | ||
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On February 26 2013 09:48 Vivax wrote: I saw the picture of you eating a hat and am now chasing my erotic fantasies. + Show Spoiler + I fucking love hats. Im still waiting for something meaningful from you. Who do you prefer: Prome and his RNG or Geript and his newbie mayor campaign | ||
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On February 26 2013 09:39 VisceraEyes wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: Wade Fell WTF is this shit? | ||
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On February 26 2013 09:56 VisceraEyes wrote: A vote for mayor? You know, exactly what it looks like? Baby, as the french chefs keep saying "Where is the SAUCE" | ||
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On February 26 2013 10:03 VisceraEyes wrote: He's making the most sense and I'm not instantly sickened by his lynch preference right now. Good enough for me. I can live with that. Move on solider. P.S. Can I be your shadow pl0x | ||
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On February 26 2013 10:03 Aquanim wrote: Since WoS has disappeared into the shadows I'll ask someone else. @Milksuckler, any posts that you think are particularly sketchy so far? Geript entrance has been quite weak. Everything in his first post has been easy-to-say stances indicative of no alignment. The follow-up (newbie) reasoning is quite meek and weak to b00t - making me want to ignore his posts (and pot shots) This early into Day1 is a crafty way to blend in. Me no like-y. | ||
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So far all he has done is come in and shit over anyone and everyone. | ||
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On February 26 2013 10:10 Aquanim wrote: You think that running for mayor is a way to blend in? And what exactly about his reasoning is weak? Walk me through it. Sure: Firstly, I didnt read it as a genuine attempt to run for mayor. When you add the lack of campaign follow-up since, it becomes obvious the attempt was half-hearted and actually acts to discredit him - thus allowing him to blend in by being ignored. Secondly, his reasons for being mayor are weak at best. Even though the mayor has been nerfed this game, the role still requires more criteria than: put time into the thread; or avoid being a N1 kill. Thirdly, he starts playing the newbie card: again providing an avenue to be ignored by the masses. ============= I wouldn't go so far so say the above demarcates him as scum. Just the behaviour is sketchy and I am watching him closely. Will reevaluate as I have more. | ||
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On February 26 2013 10:21 geript wrote: When did I play the newbie card? New here is not equivalent to newbie. Also, I like to keep my filter clean. On February 26 2013 09:20 geript wrote: Additionally, I am relatively unknown Yes unknown and newbie are not equivalent. But its pretty obvious whether you are known or not. Also you have enough posts to not be a smurf... thus: Claiming the "unknown" card is akin to claiming newbie. On February 26 2013 09:35 geript wrote: As of yet, no. The question is why do you feel my newbie status is important? Here you now say "newbie" I did not take anything out of context. Try harder next time Dear | ||
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On February 26 2013 10:25 Aquanim wrote: You still haven't given any reason why geript is scum, merely that if he is then this would be a viable tactic. Do you have any actual reason to think that he is scum? This directed to me or OO | ||
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On February 26 2013 10:28 geript wrote: Sorry but that is a direct question regarding Vivax stance on me. Perhaps you should be reading more than just my filter. Right so out of everything discussed, this is the only response you elicit? Lets try harder sweetie Show me dat town <3: Who is your sketchiest player so far? | ||
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On February 26 2013 10:11 MilkSuckler wrote: I also want to see less restraint from Restraining Order. So far all he has done is come in and shit over anyone and everyone. | ||
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On February 26 2013 10:35 Aquanim wrote: People who are trying to fake being Marvellosity do it too. I've faked multiple ppl on this smurf, not just Marv | ||
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On February 26 2013 10:11 MilkSuckler wrote: I also want to see less restraint from Restraining Order. So far all he has done is come in and shit over anyone and everyone. [/QUOTE] and then you come up with: On February 26 2013 10:37 Restraining Order wrote: Well Toad and VE are not on a scumteam together, or they'd be bussing each other right about now. just like Snarfs/VE couldnt bus each other at start of nomination. Yes, the former is more likely than the latter; but it is certainly not concrete. Wake up and produce something meaningful. | ||
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On February 26 2013 10:55 VisceraEyes wrote: If you're scum you'll tell me eventually in this thread...the way Vivax and Prom have. If you are mayor, are you preferring Prom or Vivax for lynch | ||
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On February 26 2013 10:57 geript wrote: Wave lurked most of day 1 and was semi-active in the last 8 or so, maybe more. Right now my top scum read is on WoS. His emotion core is drastically different from that in nmm36. In 36 his emotions were consistent and now theyre mostly crashing between joking and angry. All of it feels forced and unnatural. His post style is far different as well. Lots of little nothing posts Im too lazy to check, but IIRC you're post structure is different as well. Do you disagree? | ||
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On February 26 2013 11:01 Restraining Order wrote: I don't see as big of a difference as you make it sound. And slight differences in posting are to be fully expected from new players. Damn it, i dont want to agree with you - but I do. Thats strike two for Geript. Must show restraint... | ||
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On February 26 2013 11:02 geript wrote: @MS yes at points. You disagree you're post structure is different? So if I take the challenge to look through NMM37 I will find identical structure and content organisation to present ideas; to this game? Is this what you are asking me to do... | ||
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Musta rolled scum; unlucky br0 | ||
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On February 26 2013 11:08 Promethelax wrote: Hey I did run. No one liked my candidacy. But if you want to vote me I'd run again. Ahh right, that lacklustre campaign completely flew under the radar for me and was overtaken dramatically by RNG. Interesting br0. | ||
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On February 26 2013 11:51 TestSubject893 wrote: I am going to sheep this.You either didn't think this plan through or are just trying to pull one over on everyone. If we give Pardoner to you (or anyone) we can't trust that they won't just save themselves if we decide to lynch them. The only real choices I see are killing the Pardoner D1 or giving it to a player we trust. Giving it to someone who we think will die might sound good, but voicing that sentiment means that they probably won't and not only will we be no closer to figuring out if that person is mafia, but it will take 2 days if we do decide to lynch them. I think the role has to go to someone we trust. Hence we are back to voting the two pro-towniest pricks in the game. As far as I am concerned, a pardoner saving themselves from lynch is not alignment indicative. ======= @WoS: Whilst I applaud your confidence to stand before the experienced players present and declare you're love of town; it does little to earn my trust. You say you want to put Prome on the backburner and continue scum hunting: what make you of "Wade Fell" | ||
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On February 26 2013 12:00 Restraining Order wrote: Because his posts shows the kind of logic I would expect a townie to use. I find it hard to believe scum would fake something like this, especially not a new player. And it doesn't look copy-pasted. In a way, his plan works, even though it's not a good plan, because he proposed a plan that's not good, which makes it kinda good. Whilst I agree the post is more than likely to be generated from town than scum. I would like to think by end of cycle, I (and others) have more than just him as a "probably town" read. I surmise you think the same since prior you said roughly "you are content with him for now." | ||
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Still waiting to hear a first post from: The Milkman glurio Chaos Bear Hassybaby You four: if you need a discussion prompter; what do you make of me? =========== and seeking more contributions in general from about another 5-8 players IIRC | ||
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On February 26 2013 12:09 TestSubject893 wrote: You're gonna have to help me here. What do you mean when you say "sheep this"? That the role needs to go to someone we trust and someone responsible. Not just a newbie that is at risk of being ignored. I thought it was transparent. | ||
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On February 26 2013 12:14 geript wrote: Moc that whole post looks fishy to me, this line seems especially out of place from Wave. Do you really like it that much? I dunno who you are referring to: but my 2c on the matter On February 26 2013 12:02 MilkSuckler wrote: @WoS: Whilst I applaud your confidence to stand before the experienced players present and declare you're love of town; it does little to earn my trust. | ||
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On February 26 2013 12:18 TestSubject893 wrote: I still don't understand, sorry. My question really is what does sheep mean in this context? I know that's a noob question, sorry; this is only my 3rd game on TL. AHH i actually thought you meant that, but that talked myself out of it Sheep = blatantly copy the same thought process (typically with no justification) i.e. blindly follow the shepherd In context: I agreed with your reasoning, and threw down my support. | ||
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On February 26 2013 12:21 geript wrote: Was referring to the "that post is likely generated by town" comment. My point is that I still don't like how his core fluctuates and it seems more like he's rewriting scripted posts and trying to blend under the newbie umbrella. hhhmmm, I must say the "read" - if you can call it that - on Wade Fell was weak at best and scummily deprived of stance at worst. And serves as stark contrast to the pardoner request post. I noticed in NMM37 some players were writing posts for the lurkers to contribute with; so could be a valid tactic going forward here. @Geript Can you please identify which components of his post read forced and scripted to you. | ||
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Thats a shame: I enjoyed reading the debate you had outside the game with everyone regarding establishing innocence. I like the direction you are providing thus far; but will respect your wishes and not reciprocate the <3 with a vote. With Wade Fell: do you dislike any more of his play (other than his suggestion with the pardoner?) | ||
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On February 26 2013 12:33 VayeshMoru wrote: Vayesh thinks that any man of reason or sense could transfer this concept from an old world and make it work for his alternate personality of this world. I am not saying this to agree with Prome. I am saying this because it was an item raised in Mafia LIX. One player instantly called Grush scum due to him unveiling starsenses. He was town (as in all prior starsenses claims)...I dont trust the claim to be town; but it does put him down the D1 priority pecking list for me. | ||
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On February 26 2013 12:41 VayeshMoru wrote: However the annuls will record that the mask of the bovine has declared a correct statement. The rushing man is not in danger of the deathmachines for now. | ||
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On February 26 2013 12:42 randombum wrote: The main idea behind my plan is that the mayor is doomed anyways, might as well use it to try to lynch mafia. Agreed. Until I see a better plan: I am going to vote for someone who is going to lynch my top scum read. My top scum read is still formulating: but I am going to look specifically at players that came in at the start, chipped in a little to blend and then fucked off without actually contributing a thought. Even if a mafia is present among the early contributors (its been like 20-30 pages in <4hrs) its going to be a crapshoot to identify scum out of that group (other than Prome and perhaps WoS who are under heat) | ||
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RNG implementation (1) Conjecture: I have PM correspondance with prome (pre-LX) that state explicitly he is against RNG as it is both anti-town and stupid play. (2) Track History: Both Nomination & NMM37 contained proponents of RNG. They were both scum. Though this does not guarantee Prome as scum; it does suggest scum are more willing to run with it than town. (3) Implementation; There was zero discussion on how to guarantee randomness. Prome provides no controls to provide validity for random selection, which mimics the attitude Djodref espoused when bringing RNG to the fore - he was scum. This is in complete contrast to pre-game NMM37 where several methods were discussed in detail. TL;DR Though the above are not direct scum tells independently. Combined they corroborate a mindset only compatible from scum. RNG discussion (1) Outcome: Mentions the RNG play didn't generate the discussion he wanted. Yet responds to people with "pro-town gems" like: "you should be able to see why. Assuming you don't suck". There is no effort in his filter to prompt further discourse; and when others critically query him, he immediately shuts them down with insults. (2) The plan: Provides details of the RNG plan to unveil scum - because only scum would support RNG. Ironically scum proponent: Djodref, took a similar stance in Nomination mafia. This is a very convenient stance any RNG proponent can outline; without dispute. The real question is whether prome went out of his way to facilitate discussion and identify RNG supporters. The short answer is: no" TL;DR Prome identifies "pro-town" reasons to justify his support for RNG. Yet his filter suggests the contrary: i.e. he is actively shutting down any RNG discourse Constant buddying (1) Vivax: Goes out of his way to say how good his meta read on Vivax is, and how Marv caught him. Great.. is Marv even in this game? Is he Marv? (2) WoS: Declares how super towny WoS is and how he should be pardoner; if prome is as pro-town as he says he can be, why isnt he running for pardoner (if mayor isnt getting traction) (3) VE: Votes VE for mayor out of arguably very limited alignment indicative posts. (4) Grush: Comments multiple times on STARSENSES. One comment would have been enough to carry point across. Instead dedicates half a page to this discussion which is ultimately pointless. TL;DR So far prome is tickling a lot of "town-proclaimed" nuts; with little justification. Maybe meta reads count, but a game 4hrs in is too early to give out hard meta reads. 180' stance shifts (1) WoS; Starts off disliking WoS to weak justification. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=399294¤tpage=23#445 It was obvious WoS was pointing out something he was directly involved with last game. Yet prome chooses to nitpick and and hate on the guy who was so bad in NMM37 someone made a fake case about him.... He then proceeds to do a complete stance flip and declares him super townie and that he should be pardoner. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=399294¤tpage=28#553 Quite a migration. You can get reads wrong, but since when do you jump from leaning/probably scum to confirmed town without assistance from blues. Further, the post itself definitely was not enough to declare someone "confirmed"/supertownie. This is quite an overreaction from prome. (2) RNG: You can include RNG as a sudden shift as it lost momentum. The whole play read like a farce with zero commitment. TL;DR prome starts picking on easy prey but instead of even considering a "bad townie" mentality, he goes straight to "I'll lynch WoS" Misc (1) Pro-Town?: prome is a guy who prides himself on being pro-town and encouraging people to participate: yet has default to behavioural posts such as: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=399294¤tpage=26#510 "You could always share without being asked. Or are you scum?" As a townie this post serves to cock-block the recipient and promote a negative atmosphere (something town prome is vehemently against). As a scummer this post serves to look like scum hunting (by casting doubts on others AND mentioning the word scum AND diverting attention away from the speaker) I actually used this exact line in my last scum game to great effect. It gives off the added appearance of taking a stance.. but actually still sits in the middle. (2) Wade Fell read: his wade fell read is pretty meek. Granted its early game and not much content to produce detailed analysis. But if that is the case, why bother to provide the read in the first place? Its another contribution without contributing. (3) WoS reversal: prome went from hate to <3 on WoS here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=399294¤tpage=28#553 - Someone already debunked the activity (WoS was absent for a majority of Day1) - The post itself reads forced; even though it is a paragraph each line is essentially an independent point. - Further the post carries a large amount of sarcasm (e.g. /golfclap) something that WoS has not introduced anywhere else in his filter. How can prome say this guy is the towniest mudafarker out there based on this one post. TL;DR prome is not contributing. Many of this stances and statements are based on a quick-sand foundation. Summary Town prome is an advocate of establishing a pro-town atmosphere. So far his actions have actively hindered town discussion by throwing out statements based on fallacy and heavy assumptions. His RNG behaviour is classic scum mentality; and I believe if a townie ever pushed for RNG it would be performed with a lot more transparency. He is purporting being able to give meta reads on players as justification to keep them in the game; yet when can not provide deep analysis of the reads he chooses to elucidate. Though reads are subject to change Day1 (rapidly); prome has chosen meaningless points to base his stance shifts on. There is a distinct lack of conviction behind the thought process. Lynch: Promethelax | ||
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On February 26 2013 14:01 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Who cares, just make a case if you're going to make a case. Why are you coming in here to announce that you're not confident? Do you want a way out if you can't contribute anything good? Do you have a scumread that I didn't come up with, or anything to contribute? I can't believe that you could write off 20-30 pages of discussion as a crapshoot. Day 1 is harder than Day 2 and it's expected that town will mislynch Day 1, we all know that. There's no sense in pointing it out as an excuse to not try. You are misinterpreting the post. I don't have a problem discussing this further with you: but your tone is over the top and comes across more as a drill sergeant spitting in my face. That aside, the post was more so highlighting I intended to vote a mayor who will lynch my top scum read as opposed to all this pardoner bullshit. The extra stuff was added there because I felt it was useful: not everyone has 10k posts under their name Dr. | ||
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On February 26 2013 14:01 ObviousOne wrote: For the record I am not against the concept of a Prome or Vivax lynch so if randombum isn't on the table for one of today's candidates I can wait til D2 to vote him. How about some feedback on what I wrote. You agree or disagree. Do you think I am grasping at straws, or is the logic valid? Critique me and prove that your shadowing of VE paid off. | ||
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Your actions are YOUR responsibility. But mine (and others) to judge | ||
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On February 26 2013 14:23 VisceraEyes wrote: What I really didn't like was his suggestion that we put grush/WoS into office simply because from his perspective they're "obviously town" or whatever.\ Like he's just assuming that the optimal play is to fill the positions with most likely townies rather than considering the relative strength of the roles...which is okay I guess but he hasn't made that objective explicit in his posting. For that reason it seems scum-motivated to me. Noted, I agree - you can not attribute wanting to put in "confirmed town" into the role as scummy - as not enough information (conveniently) to ascertain motive. However, we can query whether his "confirmed town" reads carry conviction and due diligence. For example: He clearly said WoS >> Vivax. Why is Vivax even close to a (implied) town read based on what has been presented? | ||
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On February 26 2013 14:43 Wade Fell wrote: Firstly, The only people in this thread making any sense are VE and DrH. Besides them and myself nobody should even be considered for the mayoral role. This vet circle jerking has to stop now Being a vet does not guarantee your logic is sound; or that your shit smells better than mine and others. Further it does not guarantee you are town. All members of this game have a responsibility to be transparent in play and present well-reasoned thoughts. Perhaps, players with lower experience would not make as capable a mayor as a vet; however: (1) This mayor role is nerfed without BG - so the outcome of vet/new is of less importance & (2) Less experience is not synonymous with being incapable of reasoned thought that is CORRECT. I don't have a problem with your prome case; I already commented on pretty much everything you wrote, a fair bit before you wrote it. But I guess it doesn't make sense, not coming from a confirmed vet. The quicker you get over your game of 'soggy biscuit'; the quicker we are going to get along. This is a scum player grasping for someone to point the finger at, someone to blame. This falls perfectly in line with what DrH says here (link) when he quotes from Ver's guide. . Nice blatant buddying here. Im guessing you buy ya kneepads on bulk discount... | ||
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It was spurred because of his post though. I think vets have a tendency to just ignore posts from non-vets; perhaps thats a valid way to separate wheat from chuff. Note: I am actually not interested in running for mayor; as most have figured out, my campaign pitch was a joke. The post was made because I don't want to feel my contributions are being ignored (unless they are totally shit house - which I do not think they are) | ||
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On February 26 2013 15:14 VisceraEyes wrote: That's quite the poisonous mindset you have there MilkMaid. Further, perhaps the delivery was overtly aggressive; but the intention was far from poisonous. Yes I know super town players exist that can solve the game blah blah; but comments like everyone is stupid just listen to us three are dangerous. VE/Dr.H/WF are not confirmed town; and he is setting up people to blatantly sheep them by intimidation via experience. Out of those three; Dr.H for me is the closet thing to be confirmed town.. and he has applied the same attitude to EVERYONE. Not just non-vets. I am intercepting something before it grows out of control; and would make the same post again (perhaps less aggressively) | ||
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On February 26 2013 15:23 VisceraEyes wrote: It's just interesting to hear you say that when I've been in here trying to back and forth with you about Prom after commenting on your case and this is what I get in response - that I'm participating in what you perceive as "vet circle-jerking". I mentioned liking your case, but apparently that's not good enough. Think about it. The comment was not directed at you VE; but yes in hindsight I can see why you interpreted it that way. Apologies. Is this something you want to further discuss; or is the matter closed? | ||
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Im making an assumption they are vet smurfs - which I think is fair. Hence, my comment was more affiliated with them + WF; Mayor: I don't think will be the only voice; but certainly is a voice that may end up louder than all others. Or being treated as louder by the less enthusiastic players. So yes, I do envisage sheeping. Im not really sure of the point of these questions; either you are extending this question session because you think I am a scum; or... I don't get it. | ||
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On February 26 2013 15:33 VisceraEyes wrote: MilkyBaby I'm gonna filter you if that's all right. Anything you want to tell me before I do? Go ahead Start by ctrl+f "/confirm" | ||
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On February 26 2013 15:38 Wade Fell wrote: For all you know I'm warbaby. How srs are you claiming a smurf is throwing around his vet status? Lol that made me laugh You're def not warbaby - post structure doesnt match; but that makes you someone aware of the NMM games. Even if you are not a vet; by comparing yourself to Dr.H/VE you are insinuating you are. | ||
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On February 26 2013 15:37 VisceraEyes wrote: :/ You seemed okay drowning out relative newbies earlier on. It would pay to invest the time and read the entire filter before proceeding to post snippets. Down the track I outline my issues with Geript campaign - which should provide motivations to that response. | ||
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On February 26 2013 15:41 Wade Fell wrote: And legitimately, if there is an attitude that we should only read what vets post, it needs to stop, because you can't form a read on someone without listening to what they have to say. Currently I strongly believe there are three people who could be elected mayor. I'm perfectly comfortable engaging with, discussing with, and listening to the ideas of everyone in the town. In fact, it's how I find scum. If I was not perfectly clear about that, I apologise for my ambiguity. Thank you. This is what I meant in the first place. | ||
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On February 26 2013 15:42 Wade Fell wrote: DrH and VE are just the people who IMO should be elected mayor. They're contributing to the town discussion. In your own way, you are as well, but I don't want to elect you mayor. I do want to elect myself mayor, so I fall into a category with those two. I'm not "insinuating" anything. Yes but Dr.H does not want the role. That leaves you advocating yourself and VE for two roles. I am comfortable enough with VE play so far to vote him for a role. You on the other hand, I would prefer more choices. That thought might change as the cycle progresses; but I can only comment on the existing status quo. (BTW, I already stated before, I wasn't interested in the role either.. my initial pitch was a joke hence the copy/paste) | ||
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On February 26 2013 15:48 Wade Fell wrote: Just fyi I don't believe such an attitude currently exists in this game, if for no reason other than the smurfs. If people are disagreeing with you it's not because you're black Well no one has disagreed vehemently (yet). However, as I said before: I was trying to intercept/circumvent something that to me looked like an inevitable occurrence. Anyways, Im still waiting for prome to answer all the queries addressed to him; so looks like time for a re-read. | ||
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On February 26 2013 15:55 VisceraEyes wrote: So in what way has my play left you more comfortable than Wade's? I haven't made anything like a concrete case on Prom - at least not one as comprehensive as yours and Wade's have been. Well I havent said anything prior to that point specifically on you, because there is no need to share town reads. For me: your playstyle is very different to Nomination mafia. In that game you had a vibe that was just too smooth, its why i thought you were scum. (Too clean = fake + you got lazy in the end) This game I get a lot more conviction and transparency in thought process. I know that doesn't guarantee town; but based on two distinct playstyles within a few days apart.. I am willing to go with my gut and say town read. | ||
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On February 26 2013 16:04 VisceraEyes wrote: Okay, so your metric is "probability of being town" rather than "ability to find and eliminate scum" regarding mayoral selection, am I reading that correctly? Well I dont see how the metric "ability to find and eliminate scum' applies to Day1. Just cause you can solve the game; doesnt make you town. And until a flip, there is no evidence of eliminating scum. My read on you is situational because I just played a game with you for a fuckn long time. Again; your probing is either: you think im scummy - of which be a man and declare intentions Or what is the point? I assume you read through my filter: Do you have questions to want to ask me directly while we are both here? | ||
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As for post-case: I am still suspicious and will continue to monitor motives. He made a "case" on prome which added no new context (in fairness there was no new content from prome). Though Dr.H/you/me/WF agree on the prome tells.... its not hard to sheep that sentiment when being the last contributor. For me that is not the issue though. My problem is that I interpreted his actions as posting the prome casef was as if it was original content; and thus, was establishing himself to net mayor/pardoner votes. - Essentially a campaign pitch founded upon a sheep case. This may be a harsh assessment, and I am willing to re-read the post in question when I have a fresh head. (i.e. later tonight) I will give him credit that he has changed his tone somewhat since the whole "vet comments". Still overall, I need to firstly mull over promes responses (when released) and then see how WF intends to follow-through. In short: I am suspicious of WF, and my strongest scum read is still prome. | ||
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On February 26 2013 16:15 WaveofShadow wrote: This could mean any one of a number of things, the most obvious being that Prom was looking for an easy way to clear his name; that is, to jump on voting someone for Mayor even if said person was going to lynch him D1. WoS, can you please flesh this out a bit more: help me understand. Why is it obvious prome was looking to clear his name? Who sullied his name in the first place? | ||
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On February 26 2013 16:42 WaveofShadow wrote: The way I see it, he realized he fucked up once VE caught on. I asked earlier on but it was ignored as far as I remember, why exactly would anyone bring up RNG at all? Is it ever a good idea? It seems to me that in every instance I have ever heard of RNG vote being talked about it has been shut down almost immediately so VE's suspicion makes sense though he doesn't delve into it here. After that, Prom immediately jumps on me as a scum read which is proven worthless by both VE early and later by me, a post which Prom himself says he 'likes.' He then switches his vote to VE. At this point the Prom train is already running and plenty of other cases have been made against him which he constantly ignores all the while switching his focus all over the place, finally ending up at Wade. I don't think I need to summarize in total all of the reasons other people have looked into as to why Prom looks scummy but for me at least it's all of the vote and focus switching along with the initial RNG attempted 'discussion.' I am not sure if this answers my question to be frank. I wasnt looking for a case on prome; I wanted to know why you thought he had to clear his name. The quotes from toad/VE arent directly referencing prome as scum; they are simply probing into his intentions. What you have presented (to me) does not indicate sullying of prome; nor him requiring to clear his name. If you think you did answer the question, let me know where I am misinterpreting. | ||
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On February 26 2013 16:47 WaveofShadow wrote: Also I realized something else while going through Prom's filter... MS, Prom himself mentioned that you are Mocsta...Geript only seems to agree with this after it was already mentioned. Now I'm REALLY not going to be any good at looking into meta aside from what I've already said about Geript, but to me if this is true you've definitely changed your game around quite a bit. What do you have to say about that and the fact that Geript is buddying you real hard? He also never responded to you saying his post structure was different aside from disagreeing with you 'at points' and not explaining himself. Maybe I can get some insight from you before he gets back and what he says will corroborate in some way? prome can say what he wants. I am who I am. This game isnt to prove whether or not I am mocsta or <insert whoever else>. We are looking for scum. As for Geript buddying me; his filter shows one independent question sent my way. That in conjunction with a lack of kneepad work towards me; I dont see where the buddying claim originates from? But yes, I agree he never responded to my query; and I am still seeking an answer to that. So yes, he is another fucker I am currently suspicious of. | ||
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On February 26 2013 16:54 WaveofShadow wrote: Because his RNG case and scumread on me looked scummy. The quotes probe into his intentions but that is where the suspicion began and where I believe Prom realized he fucked up, as he said, forcing him to try and make himself look less scummy by voting VE and calling me 'super townie.' OK, so you think he preempted the RNG being treated as scummy. Why do you think the scumread on you was scummy? And why do you think he would risk more "limelight" by doing a 180 on his read and declaring you super townie? - Does this not directly oppose the intention of "clearing one's name"? | ||
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On February 26 2013 16:59 WaveofShadow wrote: Ok you answered it. I'm not concerned as to whether you are Mocsta or not, but clearly Geript is. It's a psychological thing Geript is revealing about himself here. He recognized someone he appears to 'know' (based on last game once again) and already assumes you and him share a rapport by referring to you as 'Moc,' and the fact that he assumed you are Mocsta in the first place, not even referring to a realization of the fact. He already assumes you two have a friendly connection, hence, 'buddying.' I didnt read it that way. When was referring to .?Mocsta? I enquired whether he was talking to me. It is common to address smurfs by who you think they are (Look at FiveTouch in Mafia LIX) Now question for you: Why would it matter Geript is "buddying" up to me? Why not the plethora of other players? I checked the playing list for NMM37, you and Geript were in that.. why not buddy you to develop this rapport? | ||
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On February 26 2013 17:04 MilkSuckler wrote: Now question for you: Why would it matter Geript is "buddying" up to me? Why not the plethora of other players? I checked the playing list for NMM37, you and Geript were in that.. why not buddy you to develop this rapport? On February 26 2013 17:13 WaveofShadow wrote: I'm asking you why you think it would matter because as I said before, I'm curious to hear his own intentions on the matter. And as for buddying again, obvious....because he made it very clear he thinks I'm 'scum.' Yes you asked the question, and I responded i don't believe he is buddying. as for moc being shorthanded to establish rapport; did you consider he could have posted on the phone and it was simply easier? I think you are grasping at the equivalent of a scum slip; and that certainly can not form the foundation for scrutiny. If you think he is buddying me; because he thinks you are scum; and I expressed doubt regarding you at the time... then what does that make of Dr.H/me/VE/Wade Fell who have made cases on prome? ====== So I will re-ask: (1)why are you so fixated on this buddying claim as a meaningful contribution? (2)And why ignore promes buddying of vivax? I know you did a short dive of Vivax, but I did not see you direct any counter pressure his way? | ||
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On February 26 2013 17:30 Aquanim wrote: Yo MilkSuckler, who do you want for mayor at the moment and why? My first choice is Dr.H but he doesnt want it. If no one else steps up over the next 30hrs then: On February 26 2013 15:47 MilkSuckler wrote: I am comfortable enough with VE play so far to vote him for a role. | ||
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On February 26 2013 17:38 VisceraEyes wrote: Milky Watch me all you want VE. Just make sure you don't forget to scum hunt as well Night | ||
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On February 26 2013 19:43 geript wrote: Sorry I got caught up at work; major AC leak and a busted urinal within 30 minutes of each other and when I don't usually clean. Had to call people in, explain why I was there, what was going on and why I wasn't responsible for it. First off, there are three distinct tones in WoS key post and I'm going to separate them out. All this says is that whatever you are about to propose is absolutely retarded. All it says is, "ignore this post." This tone is returned to at the end. The second tone is the analysis tone: Basically this says, "trust a newbie to be pardoner." The problem is that his argument falls apart when you really analyze it. You don't want pardoner in the hands of a newbie because it's a free pass for when they get caught for them unless they're lynched D1. I agree with previous analysis, best to put pardoner on the mayor's lynch target. Next the general plea: This section is especially out of tone for him. I feel like I'm watching C3PO talk to Jabba here. This paragraph especially feels forced; the diction is all wrong for him. His posts are little more than mimicry than anything else in general but this paragraph is nothing of the sort. Next, I actually have to agree with what Prome said. The difference between Vivax response and WoS response is that Vivax actually attacks the argument (If you do A+B then no way you get to C). WoS response was essentially, "You got NK last game." WoS is playing excited this game. Even when he's grabbed a touch of heat, he's not been the slightest concerned about it and continues to "counterpressure" with bleh. I'm going to reread the thread a few times before I head to bed and sleep on it but for right now Vivax and WoS are on the top of my list but I'd need a flip to make a strong case. @Geript I have some serious problems with this post. Aquanim and you had some foreplay, but my issue was not directly tackled. You do your dance and explain your three tones. Blah blah. Then the colossal disappointment of a conclusion. I'm going to reread the thread a few times before I head to bed and sleep on it but for right now Vivax and WoS are on the top of my list but I'd need a flip to make a strong case. Wtf is this meant to mean.... You have two top scum reads.. but until you see a flip you can not make a strong case. Explain in gratuitous detail NOW! | ||
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On February 26 2013 18:25 JungleJorge wrote: I believe promethelax is innocent and I may expand on that if necessary, but it should be painfully obvious to anyone reading this thread how much traction this wagon got based on very poor reasoning by most of you. Much of the "scummy" behavior you have been pointing out is exactly the opposite of what scum normally tries to accomplish when they post. I suggest you revisit prom's filter and think about why he would post some of the stuff he has posted if he was indeed scum. I plan on being more specific later, but I'll give you guys some time to figure it out by yourselves. JJ, it is not painfully obvious. Please share the information you have to enlighten us all. Why is prome innocent? | ||
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On February 26 2013 22:33 The Milkman wrote: My initial read on Promethelax was such a disaster, I support his lynch wholeheartedly. Can I have a read on Wade Fell /BH pl0x? | ||
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You can assume I am whoever you want me to be. (1) So what goods did "Waffels" bring to the table with prome, that wasnt on the table before? (2) On February 26 2013 23:03 glurio wrote: geripts ...What do you make of OO? What is your read on OO? (3) Now that you have caught up.. who is your top scum read pl0x | ||
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On February 26 2013 23:09 Toadesstern wrote: wat? Are you kidding me? I did more than anyone in this game so far. The game started 01 am my time. That's really late and still everyone's on prom because of the 3 posts I DID about him and laya / VE and later on everyone else agreeing with what I said / repeating what I said about prom in everyone's one words. What do you expect me to do on top of what I already did this game? Especially considering that it was 1am at the time the game started and I went to bed around 3am (stayed awake longer because I felt I could get something going on prom and I was right lol). I'd punch you in the face for that statement of your. And I'm not talking about mafia "punch in you the face" à la lynching you. Take a look what I posted and consider that the time you are telling me I should have been more active, being "on top of town" were between 3am and 12am... This is a bit of an over-reaction? no... Why are you so concerned with a some of the limelight on you; regardless of whether true or false accusations? | ||
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On February 26 2013 23:21 The Macho Man wrote: Prom is definitely not confirmed scum as the whole thread seems to think and the most concerning thing that he actually has done is this post here in saying that he isn't going to be active after all the pressure. This is the most tell sign that he is scum If he does not care about town and doesn't post then he should die. In fairness, Prome said pre-game he would be unavailable during this period of the cycle. So I dont treat the absence as scummy. You are the second person (after JungleJorge) to purport Prome innocent, with not backing. Considering he is under heavy scrutiny, I think it is the time to provide the evidence to support his innocence, instead of a soft-claim. I expect that you have voiced your opinion on this matter, you will have no qualms following through with the reasoning. Thank you. | ||
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On February 26 2013 23:22 The Milkman wrote: He shoots down Prome's rng plan. Okay, that's fine. RNG plans always get shot down. Shoots down randombum's idea too (yeah it was crap, sorry man) Supports DrH/VE as mayors, does not agree with "read only vets" agenda. When Aqua tries to understand his point, he spends the time to explain to him the best he can. He's putting effort and thought into his play. He cares for discourse. He is one of the people responsible for the good part of the Day so far. Real good work there. OK, I look at those points and think where are the specific town tells? Though Dr.H *will* disagree, a large component of Day1 is spent establishing innocence. All those stances listed above I believe are easy to follow through as either scum or town. Out of those points raised, the closest to being indicative of town (in my opinion) is the discourse with Aquanim. Also, if you notice, when Aquanim first raised a query on the case; his response was: here is the link to the case. It wasn't until Aquanim persisted that a more detailed response was granted. === So far I still think Wade Fell is suspicious; but, if all the vets think Wade is town, perhaps I am missing an important part of the equation. What do you make of what I wrote above? Do you see validity of paranoia? | ||
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On February 26 2013 23:28 The Macho Man wrote: scum don't like the spotlight prom has been in the spotlight. That's mafia 101 come on. So let me haphazard a guess. That you are in the spotlight defending prome; suggests -with your logic - that you are not scum, due to mafia 101? Correct? | ||
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On February 26 2013 23:28 The Macho Man wrote: scum don't like the spotlight prom has been in the spotlight. That's mafia 101 come on. Macho Man (1) Do you think Vivax has been in the spotlight? He has seemed to draw attention from multiple stakeholders. is lynch interest the only separator between Vivax/prome for you? (2) I am confused when you say prome has been interested in the lynch? Can you please expand, because this conflicts with my opinions (already expressed here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=399294¤tpage=37#726) | ||
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On February 26 2013 23:38 glurio wrote: 1) He wanted to kill you. He put down the stupid RNG idea, also randombuns obviously flawed plan to elect the scummiest player. Some of his points on prome has been made before but DrH doesn't want to be mayor. Also he seems to be a reasonable player, with all that let's only hear vets opinions shenanigans. Thats why i vote for him. 2) Wanna hear geripts opinion first. 3) Prome Thanks for reciprocating Glurio, appreciated. With (1) I think you have misinterpreted the question. I am asking you what logic and reasoning did Waffels add to the prome case to sway you; as obviously something was lacking prior if you had to point out him as your catalyst. (2) Why do you need Geript to comment on OO before you share your thoughts? Whats the issue at hand? In regards to your interpretation of q(1) above. You wrote "he wanted to kill you". Why is that a sound reason to vote someone? Do you think I am scummy, if so, why is prome scummier than I? | ||
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On February 26 2013 23:41 The Milkman wrote: That's Mafia Survival Guide for Dummies. I assume you know the distinction. Hey, first off all, don't care about what vets say and what they don't say. We need people going in different direction, poking and random things ALL at once. Of course, we could all just nod when someone brings something to the table but that would get us nowhere. You know, the biggest danger for democracy is when everyone thinks the same. There is no innovation. There is no discourse. There is nothing to stop the present train of thought and as we know humans are not exactly the most clever species in the Universe. But I digress. I think putting effort into shooting down the plans is a decent town tell. When I roll Mafia I usually sit back and let chaos flow through people with all the different plans over the place. Since no one would tell them they suck or anything else, they would just repeat questions to others like they are in some crazed trance "Hey what do you think about my plan? Good right? Hey guys my plan is great. PAY ATTENTION TO MY PLAN PLAN PLAN PLAN" And things go into the bits with everyone trying to shove their plan into other people's faces. The support for DrH/VE is a good thing too - we need their play as role model for people who get a little lost. Im a sceptic of those antics being town, because as mafia; I have no qualms trying to push that agenda D1. To me they are easy to take stances, as long as you are willing to commit to being active. An aggressive player like BH to me suits that modus operandi. Having said that, I think I figured out the missing piece of the puzzle. With no bodyguards, mayor is not a role that I think scum is gunning for THAT majorly. Its nice to secure a mislynch D1; but ultimately, the risk of thread presence probably does not outweight the reward. So if BH is pushing that hard for such a low gain, I can see that as town inspired play as opposed to scum. I still prefer VE with my vote though. | ||
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On February 27 2013 00:04 The Macho Man wrote: I am having trouble understanding how you can claim Vivax is "extremely mafia motivated" when it is known he is typically a "trolly" type player. vivax has not been in the spotlight at all he just seems like he wants to appear active with pointless posts that do nothing. He does not look like he is trying to figure out peoples alignment at all. Ie throws shit at me but does nothing with. That is extremely mafia motivated mindset because he doesn't want the attention of trying to push for my lynch but still wants to throw needless suspicion. If he is such a scum read for you; why not lead pressure on Vivax? I noticed you called him out, and then proceed to declare he should die. Where is the intention to understand whether your read was made abruptly? On February 26 2013 23:41 MilkSuckler wrote: (2) I am confused when you say prome has been interested in the lynch? Can you please expand, because this conflicts with my opinions (already expressed here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=399294¤tpage=37#726) On February 27 2013 00:04 The Macho Man wrote: Im not seeing the connection to why commenting about starsenses (i.e. Grush) is useful in a mayor vote.his thoughts on ve and grush come to mind figuring out that some people might be town is useful in a mayor vote Are you looking for someone who declares openly their town reads; or are you looking for someone actively engaging others in the scum hunt? Please share your logic process. | ||
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On February 27 2013 00:25 The Macho Man wrote: Right, so are you willing to vote for Grush based on prome meta read?because we want town in those positions not mafia. We figure out who town is vote them thats why town reads are useful right now. And pls comment on what I said regarding Vivax | ||
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Well now that I know you are != n00b .. I expect more rational that what has been presented from you. Im not a heretic on prome; I identified behaviour I think is consistent with a scum mentality. Everything you have declared as reasons for prome to be town are weak at best and defending a scumbuddy at worst. e.g. Scum can easily say Grush is town; as much as prome can due to starsenses... the point is m00t and thus NOT alignment indicative. yet you advocate it is..... This in conjunction with not being a n00b, is far from perfect play.... | ||
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On February 27 2013 01:16 Vivax wrote: It's obvious milkman is yamato. Actually not sure if I want to lynch him. His head over heels blind frothing aggressiveness would mean he's likely town. But his points are so stupid and his behaviour so anti-town that I really feel like. Cant be He hasnt shared a list of Day1 reads on every player. Guess I am scum now for disagreeing with you? | ||
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You guys have stuck up for prome. Obviously he won't be here to mount a defense. I have not been swayed by any of the light comments you three have made that indicate his mentality is *not* scum mentality. As it stands: I am voting a mayor who will lynch prome. ================= If you truly believe he is town; are you willing to provide a more reasoned defense on his behalf? i.e. more than light comments | ||
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On February 27 2013 01:31 Vivax wrote: What I meant there is that a scum prom would try to associate himself to me as much as he can instead of acting flexible with his read in front of VE. Ohh you mean like this? On February 26 2013 09:59 VisceraEyes wrote: Prom that's closer to what I'm looking for. Why do you prefer to lynch WoS over Vivax? On February 26 2013 10:07 Promethelax wrote: Because I don't care to lynch Vivax. I know I'm the only guy on the forum who thinks this but Vivax is a good player and useful to town when town. Also, as Marv showed in fruity, he is catchable as scum on meta alone. Tl:dr I have a scum read on WoS and not on Vivax. | ||
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On February 27 2013 01:39 Vivax wrote: Why do you want us to write a defence for the guy you want to lynch? Because I am trying to ascertain if I am missing something. I wrote a pretty good case detailing the scum mentality in his play. You three have simply refuted prome being scum with light comments, that in my opinion are not even town tells. ========= This reminds me of a situation in Nomination Mafia with JX being lynch bait. Town was sold on him as scum; and it was scum who came in and gave soft-defenses on JX with no committment ========= If you are scum, you know prome alignment you are either giving an easy soft-defense on a confirmed townie.. OR defending a scum buddy. If you are town, I can understand giving a light comment; however, again, considering prome is not here for a defense - I am asking this to be upgraded to a heavy comment. I think the request is reasonable. | ||
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On February 27 2013 01:51 Vivax wrote: You could try to convince me Prom is scum and debunking my mentioned point instead of asking me to write a defence. Not ask others to defend someone most seem to believe to be scum. Let's assume you and Prom are scum together, then you're currently trying to manipulate people into incriminating themselves. LOl.. now I know why BH responded to aquanim by pasting the link to his case. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=399294¤tpage=37#726 I still think it is a solid behavioral analysis from the information we have.. I have yet to see this debunked by you, JJ or iamp. Do you take issue with any of the points? | ||
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On February 27 2013 02:05 Vivax wrote: I think the points I mentioned for Prom being scum are more reliable than the ones you use, subjectively. ? On February 27 2013 00:27 Vivax wrote: I am null on Prom given how he's been handling his reads of me. | ||
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Thats indeed funny, and an astute observation from layabout. I am gonna let you in on a secret VE; just 'cos I said i thought u was town before; doesn't give you permission to be all useless and stuff. Why do you think Dr.H had to step up for mayor after all.... ======= You filter dived me; and the best you could come up with was one question regarding a comment to Geript. Now I am a top 3 scum read lol... all you say is you keep watching; but then where is the actual probing? You focus on the minutiae - i.e. cherry pick to satisfy your confirmation bias. You say I was trying to take credit for Prome.. it doesnt matter who said someone was scum first. its about who manages to campaign successfully for traction (which appears to be Wade). I brought new points to the prome discussion; with content you yourself agreed with and chose not to dispute. ======= I said it before to you to man up and call me scum. You have done that: now back it up with more than association flip reasoning. | ||
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My main problem with your read on me: is that prior you self-proclaimed you were an expert on reading thread status quo. If so, it should be pretty obvious (with hindsight) that Wade and myself were two alphas duking it out. Nothing more, nothing less. Im not particularly sure what you can't get over; but my concerns with Wades play have been completely transparent. if you filter dived me as you said you did; that should be obvious. And if you read his first post, you would realise where it all originated from. | ||
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On February 26 2013 22:50 MilkSuckler wrote: @Geript I have some serious problems with this post. Aquanim and you had some foreplay, but my issue was not directly tackled. You do your dance and explain your three tones. Blah blah. Then the colossal disappointment of a conclusion. I'm going to reread the thread a few times before I head to bed and sleep on it but for right now Vivax and WoS are on the top of my list but I'd need a flip to make a strong case. Wtf is this meant to mean.... You have two top scum reads.. but until you see a flip you can not make a strong case. Explain in gratuitous detail NOW! From http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=399294¤tpage=43#859 | ||
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On February 27 2013 07:57 VisceraEyes wrote: Confirmation bias you say. What's funny about that is the fact that I had a solid green townread on you until your little freakout on WF last night. It wasn't until I dissected it and ended up filtering you that the scum read came about. And since then, I haven't looked at you at all - I'm simply not interested in lynching you today, so I saw no need...yet you say I'm "confimation biased". Cherry-picking. All I've done is tell another player to go filter one of your town games (or what I'm presuming is one of your town games  ). Yet, somehow, that seems to make you think that I'm stuck in my read on you...to the point of not only fabricating reasons to think you're suspicious, but verily selectively choosing specific posts that "confirm" my read on you...when I've done nothing of the sort.It just looks bad. Keep trying to discredit me though, it didn't work for Toad but maybe it will for you...you're slightly more verbose and coherent than Toad anyway. No I didnt say the read was stuck. I said I think the reasoning behind the read is severely flawed, and I am going about querying it because YOU put it on the table to share in public. | ||
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On February 27 2013 07:59 geript wrote: I think if I get a scum flip on WoS I can make a strong association case on Vivax. Really.... thats the epitome of the good play you promised post NMM37? (according to your filter) | ||
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On February 27 2013 08:01 VisceraEyes wrote: That's what "confirmation biased" means jerk. I surmise this is directed to me. | ||
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On February 26 2013 12:25 MilkSuckler wrote: hhhmmm, I must say the "read" - if you can call it that - on Wade Fell was weak at best and scummily deprived of stance at worst. And serves as stark contrast to the pardoner request post. I noticed in NMM37 some players were writing posts for the lurkers to contribute with; so could be a valid tactic going forward here. @Geript Can you please identify which components of his post read forced and scripted to you. Do you still feel that way now WoS has increased his post count? + the question in the quotes pls | ||
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On February 27 2013 08:08 VisceraEyes wrote: Yes - though the jerk was intended lightheartedly...like you're Steve Martin and I'm saying "Don't be a jerk." Righto, thanks for clarifying haha What do you make of OO contributions over the past 6 hours? | ||
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On February 27 2013 08:13 VisceraEyes wrote: Lacking. Suspicious. Considering the sweet nothings he was whispering in my ear during Nomination I expected more. What is of more concern to you though? Someone like OO spewing fluff. Or someone like Chaos Bear/Chezinu/<insert other 0 / very-low post count player> | ||
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On February 27 2013 09:00 geript wrote: That said, I think that WF's post here is very interesting. It does in many regards feel like Dr. is soft running in the possible attempt to backdoor the pardoner role instead. Do you have reason to be concerned if Dr.H secured the pardoner role? Thanks fro responding to the other stuff; noted your reads have evolved overnight.. can you please detail who your best scum read is other than prome. | ||
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On February 27 2013 09:21 geript wrote: Prome I have more null to null minus as it feels more like he's intentionally trying to lynch himself. Right now I'm leaning more towards RO as all his posts read to me more towards general disinterest to trying to do anything. My problem is that I'm having trouble placing the underlying emotion so that I could really place the disinterest in perspective. You have a habit of not replying to all questions directed your way. & not quoting the questions.. makes it hard to assess your filter.. I would like to assume this behaviour is not intentional.. even phone posting its not hard to click "quote" http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=399294¤tpage=58#1156 For the question you chose not to address (for whatever reason) | ||
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On February 27 2013 09:25 geript wrote: Also, regarding the pardoner role and Dr. my concern stems from the fact that it feels as if he was feeling out whether or not the plan was to remove the pardoner as to see whether or not it's safe to 'run' for it. I just find that fact that it appears that he's more interested in pardoner than mayor concerning as that role is more powerful in scum hands. All I am reading is conjecture. Can you please outline the post in question from Dr.H and rationalise why it indicates he is running for pardoner - specifically? Theres too many loose associations/assumptions being put forth as contributions in this town. Its time people starting providing more reason behind the contribution. This will be a good start. | ||
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On February 27 2013 09:35 geript wrote: Can you really say that this is an actually attempt to try and move the mayor role from VE? I think numerous members said they would vote for Dr.H as mayor. I dont see how you can assume with certainty this is a pledge to run for pardoner? Further, I dont like how you answer the question, by throwing a WIFOM question. In my experience, scum tend to take this approach, because it avoids taking a stance and gives off the impression of making a contribution. Guess what, I nailed prome for this type of behaviour, in my behavioral case.... Care to indulge me further? | ||
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I think we're placing a little too much trust in DoctorHelvetica. It seems like some people are treating him as nearly confirmed town, and frankly he's not even close to that in my book. Moreover, I'm afraid that should DrH get either of the elected roles, his perception as confirmed town will only be furthered, without him doing anything more pro-town. Most of his cred has come from telling people they aren't scumhunting enough and how great scumhunting is, and while these things are pro-town, its not something that's hard to fake. On top of that, the only contribution he's made on the scumhunting front is to really amplify the pressure on Prome. While again, this is great, the fact that he seems to be distancing himself from it slightly in this post [spoiler][QUOTE]On February 27 2013 04:37 DoctorHelvetica wrote: [QUOTE]On February 27 2013 04:11 glurio wrote: I think vayesh does make sense in what he posts. Yeah hes pretty much just prodding around but thats kinda what you have to do in the beginning. And he has found good points imo. [/QUOTE] Can you please give me your read on Wade Fell. | ||
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TestSubject893 Can i please have your Wade Fell read (just town, null, scum) will suffice. | ||
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On February 27 2013 09:53 TestSubject893 wrote: Null. Or maybe on the town side of null. Noted.. the reason i ask is.. if you consider Dr.H "iffy" due to being active etc etc, I would have thought the same heuristics apply to Wade. So I am satisfied with that response (consistency wise) Please consider this though (as it seems our thoughts were aligned at one point): On February 26 2013 23:52 MilkSuckler wrote: Im a sceptic of those antics being town, because as mafia; I have no qualms trying to push that agenda D1. To me they are easy to take stances, as long as you are willing to commit to being active. An aggressive player like BH to me suits that modus operandi. Having said that, I think I figured out the missing piece of the puzzle. With no bodyguards, mayor is not a role that I think scum is gunning for THAT majorly. Its nice to secure a mislynch D1; but ultimately, the risk of thread presence probably does not outweight the reward. So if BH is pushing that hard for such a low gain, I can see that as town inspired play as opposed to scum. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=399294¤tpage=45#883 | ||
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On February 27 2013 10:01 ObviousOne wrote: Who elected you to be the only one allowed to ask questions? I'm trying to get some answers here and you're shitting all over me. You know who is scum? Layabout is scum. Whilst I appreciate the effort to contact lurkers. Lurkers gonna lurk.. and what happens if no reciprocation ==> Your post becomes meaningless. Can we please see some more efforts regarding the posts we DO have to work with. Can you give me your updated thoughts on Geript pl0x | ||
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On February 27 2013 10:20 grush57 wrote: How can you disbelieve the STARSENSES How can you keep proving you are actively lurking, yet still contribute nothing. Dude, lets make it easy Whats ya read on me. | ||
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On February 27 2013 10:18 VisceraEyes wrote: I guess I'm not seeing what's so crazy about JJ's plan. People say things they don't mean in an attempt to get reactions from people all the time. I guess the biggest problem I had with it was that it was pretty obvious what he was doing, and thus wouldn't really work on a player like Prom - but that's just nitpicking when he comes to the same conclusion as me. What's the beef guys? Yes, but why comment on iamp.. if he is not going to extrapolate... i mean, basically he gave us a $2 peep show and then disappeared and took the tissues too  | ||
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On February 27 2013 10:30 grush57 wrote: hmm, I think you are a nice milk sucking bovine, contributing to the farmer's family. (town) However, I shouldn't be giving away town reads. KK.. want to give a scum read pl0x (other than prome) | ||
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On February 27 2013 10:35 grush57 wrote: lol obviousone, hahaha Anyways, I said I don't like milkman. Also Chezinu is even doing less than unusual so he can die too. Too many lurkers really, I'm sure some of them are scum too. However it is day 1 and with mayor lynch kinda hard to make reads ya know. I'm even more useless on day1, and I usually pick up on the game as it progresses. Can I have your opinion on Geript pl0x | ||
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On February 27 2013 10:51 ObviousOne wrote: Well, that's just like, your opinion, man. Its my opinion too | ||
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On February 27 2013 10:59 ObviousOne wrote: Are you seriously taking everything I said in the first few hours of the game as Gospel truth, guys? If you are, I'm sorry. I can't help you fix your read of me because I'm already dead if that's the case. My problem stems from Geript. I decided to read his filter from NMM37 and then noticed your filter. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=395714&user=263107 In that game as a replacement SERIAL KILLER...you were of more benefit to town in a 12hr period.. then you have been to this game in 24hrs.. That speaks volumes to me: The play shows a sharp contrast as well... pair this with the Shadowing Thread where your insight shared with VE again is widly deviating from your play this game. Randombum pieces it all together very well.. you look interested, but there is no substance. SCUM. | ||
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Agree on testsubject With JJ..after re-reading his filter, I liking him a lot better and wouldnt consider him a strong candidate for lynch. I am very keen to hear the continuation thoughts on macho man, once prome is lynched. This will be paramount to developing my read further on him. | ||
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On February 27 2013 11:50 TestSubject893 wrote: I think it was just a point communicated poorly. Not necessary the message itself, but the whole message.Well since you aren't answering my question, I'll do my best to address this without knowing your full intent. Yes, this was exactly my point. I saw some people were forgetting this and I thought it was in everyone's best interest to remind them of this fact. I believe that at the time of my post people were not really analyzing you enough and/or giving you too much benefit of the doubt. I feared that you being elected would make this worse. I wanted to point this out before we got too far into the process of electing you. I'm not sure why these motives were unclear to you. Implying I was trying to discredit you or distract people from discussion seems like a stretch. ?Layabout? summed it up well, you call him most likely town, but then cast doubt whilst propping VE. I think the issue was, you had two separate items to address (Support VE + Query Dr.H) but because you melded it together in one post; it read as a political move to cast doubt on one candidate whilst shining a torch on the other. Personally I was on the same page with you, as I pointed out prior. | ||
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On February 27 2013 12:06 iamperfection wrote: well good sir i just checked my role pm and it says regardless of what prom is i am town its very conditional like that <sarcasm> Guess what, mine said Im a duelist.... Thanks for deciding to lift ya game and make meaningful conversation </sarcasm> | ||
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On February 27 2013 12:10 The Macho Man wrote: how so Shit question, shit answer. Cos I thought so. Up ya game, its far from perfect. being in two games isnt an excuse for shit play or shit questions. wanna try asking again with something specific?[/QUOTE] well good sir i just checked my role pm and it says regardless of what prom is i am town its very conditional like that [/QUOTE] <sarcasm> Guess what, mine said Im a duelist.... Thanks for deciding to lift ya game and make meaningful conversation </sarcasm>[/QUOTE] ya you doing that meaningful covesation that im scum based on proms flip ya thats real useful.[/QUOTE] Where? I dont see it. I said I am keen to hear JJ thoughts on you post prome-flip... JJ clearly stated he was not going to be forthcoming with what he had till after the lynch. Dont see why that makes him scummy; and dont see why it pertains to conversation where I 'apparently' state you are scum. | ||
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Macho Where? I dont see it. I said I am keen to hear JJ thoughts on you post prome-flip... JJ clearly stated he was not going to be forthcoming with what he had till after the lynch. Dont see why that makes him scummy; and dont see why it pertains to conversation where I 'apparently' state you are scum. | ||
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Its not like being mayor though means you have to lead each lynch..I think this is a point we discussed prior. This game, the first lynch on prome is a null point for deciding between you two. The only difference is one guy gets a pardon (he isnt meant to use) and the other guy gets two votes in a 24person game (initially). Personally I dont care which of you two is mayor and the power isnt big enough to quabble over. Utlimately: I have my own leads to follow next cycle... its just a waiting game now. P.S. my vote is on Dr.H | ||
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On February 27 2013 13:50 WaveofShadow wrote: Now as for scumhunting, we've gotten nowhere in a very long time as with Prom on the chopping block no one else appears to feel even remotely threatened.... You still pushing this buddying claim (regards to Geript) | ||
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On February 27 2013 13:59 WaveofShadow wrote: No, considering Geript hasn't offered anything up since I have absolutely nothing to go on. He's just as useless as half the other players in here. He's got a little suspicion on Dr. H...well great. Unless he comes up with something concrete then the guy he's suspicious of is gonna be mayor and he isn't altogether concerned. So you question a guy. he doesnt offer the goods... you give up. And then you have the tenacity to say scum hunting has gone no where.. What do you think is the right course of action here? I'm going to do a little filter diving to see what exactly a Prom flip is going to mean. Please compare the reactions of JungleJorge and TheMachoMan in regards to the prome flip. | ||
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On February 27 2013 13:58 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm having thoughts of "well if he's scum surely he's a great Vig shot overnight/autolynch the next day" I can see merit on this.. but its a big assumption to assume he have a vig considering there was like ~10 blue roles (to select from) IIRC I still think safest course of action is to lynch prome, and either of you is capable of that action. If we played along with the vig to hit prome... do you have an alternative target in mind for the D1 lynch? | ||
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On February 27 2013 14:10 VisceraEyes wrote: Being in agreement does change things. I'm open to discussion on the matter. I could see myself being swayed. Just lynch Chezinu pl0x... that last post was painful to read lolz Can you expound: being in agreement does change things | ||
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On February 27 2013 14:25 VisceraEyes wrote: Expounding: "Being in agreement does change things" Town seems to be of the collective mind that DocH/I are the elections this game. You could still run if you wish, though you're not pushing it anymore. WF still in the running too, but again, he not really trying to win. And the votes are pretty much speaking for me. Because of this, that changes my view of Toad's original plan, and respectively my scumread of him. Right, i didnt realise the original context was in reference to testsubject commentary on toads plan. Noted. Has the scumread gone darker or lighter? Is the logic founded upon the plan itself; or thread interactions etc? | ||
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On February 27 2013 14:41 geript wrote: By that you mean do I care to indulge you further? How so? I'm not seeing a real point from you. My point is you are reading an action: and predicting the trigger - and presenting that prediction as gospel. Or from matrix: cause and causality if you prefer Now that Dr.H has been more discrete with his motivation; has your stance altered? If not, I would like to see more reason behind your prediction/assumption. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=399294¤tpage=59#1173 | ||
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On February 27 2013 14:59 geript wrote: I'm arguing what his motivation is from what his actions are; call that what you will. No my stance has since his previous posts has become more firm in that I trust him even less. His stance in actuality is that he is fine with becoming either wanting to allow people to slide him in. So what is the difference with VE or Wade Fell; or any of the other mayor candidates - 2nd place is pardoner regardless. I am still struggling to see why this point you raise is of such emphasis to dominate your filter. As an aside: Did you consider the e-peen contest? i.e. Regardless of the whether the role is useless, winning mayor elections is a nice cyber-trophy to win and use to gloat? | ||
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On February 27 2013 15:17 geript wrote: VE is actively running for mayor. WF I think is more comfortable letting other people take either title. I don't think he's seriously trying for either title overtly or covertly. His actions don't add up to that to me. Firstly, my question may be getting miscommunicated, so I will try a different tact. You have assessed the motives behind Dr.H mayor campaign, and state it is red with intent. Do you believe this is the sole intent; or are you using heuristics to support your conclusion. In other words: have you considered a town rationale for his actions; and if so, what heuristics are you using to refute their viability. ============ In regards to the reply: you dont think Wades first post is "trying overtly" to be mayor? You dont think his case on prome forming the platform for his campaign is "trying overtly" to be mayor? Is this correct? | ||
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On February 27 2013 15:41 Chezinu wrote: The bubble....the cocoon... both burst..... What does it mean? If only I knew what The Scribe had written to him... What hidden messages did he find.... The ninjas, who were they? What did they have to do with The Scribe. Whatever The Scribe knows, it had a great impact on this Isunizehc guy.... something the causes him to burst out of the bubble... Something that drove the motives of his heart to accelerate... kind of like a catalyst... what were these stories? What secrets did they hold? I must find the rest of that signal or atleast trace it's origin. It seems years since I detected that last signal... My mind feels as the fragments themselves. I must find them to make myself and the fragments whole again. I much prefer the riddles of Vayesh | ||
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On February 27 2013 15:43 geript wrote: Seeing as how WF hasn't made real splashes to be mayor since the initial campaign, I think he's resigned himself to not being able to grab it and quit trying. I have considered town actions for DrH, but a soft campaign makes far more sense as scum than as town. I see little other intent that makes any sense. OK we are starting to get somewhere. What I keep seeing from you are end-game conclusions.. i.e. its a scum tell... (in your opinion) Walk me through why a soft pitch is more likely to be scum tell? In particular why it is a scum tell in the context of Dr.H. We all have different real life experience, and thus different heuristics. Explain to me what you see, that I am not noticing. | ||
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On February 27 2013 15:53 VisceraEyes wrote: Ultimately I'm still leaning scum, but his suggestion at the beginning of the game wasn't a bad one if we can pull it off. I want to see more from him. It wasnt a bad suggestion yes. BUT IMHO its not alignment indicative. Its an easy stance to take (especially for a guy that has played in a setup with the role before) Further, yes the pardoner might save a lynch; but it effectively makes the pardoner the lynch the next day. I can see scum suggesting to throw this role away no probz. Especially early day1, before the QT is fully organized. Agreed on all other points. | ||
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Prescient Having or showing knowledge of events before they take place. (1) No.. I did not know Toad was going to take that course of action. i.e.I am not in scum QT with toad. OR (2) Do i have a guess on toads intention with the plan.. not sure.. please fill in the blank. | ||
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On February 27 2013 15:59 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Scum uses pardoner to force an earlier LYLO, not to save the first teammate on the gallows. It can actually be the difference between winning/losing later in the game. It's not entirely insignificant. Ahh kk.. i thought that could be the case, but wrote it off, because that woudl mean the pardoner survives to end game. | ||
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On February 27 2013 15:58 Chezinu wrote: I must have drifted. Both physically and mentally as my ship continues on its unguided path and my mind formulas a world of its own. In this world, I found myself on a planet. As many out, it was barren. Yet there was hope in the sky for without it, one would not breathe. I was a wanderer, drifting from town to town. I stood in a crowd witnessing the devastation of the land, the bodies, and the hearts. It was a primitive dwelling. Yet it had a history of greatness. There I was amongst a people. A people I did not know. I offered friendship while dead corpses rot and distrust spreads. Few talked to me, most ignored me. Then I woke. Once again, I am talking to you my dear Boatee. Your the only one keeping track of me. Without you, I guarantee what little thoughts I have in line would be scattered. I love you Boatee. I gots to work now. I know you will miss talking to me, but I have to find those signals! On February 27 2013 15:46 MilkSuckler wrote: I much prefer the riddles of Vayesh Insert *still* | ||
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On February 27 2013 16:19 VisceraEyes wrote: What's with you and being first? It was a light hearted comment.. chillax. Hopefully this paranoia is because u know who I am, and *if im lucky* you respect my scum game or something. | ||
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On February 27 2013 16:30 VisceraEyes wrote: What paranoia? I thought maybe you were compensating for something... I am comfortable with the size of my e-peen. Happy to piss with what I got. Guess I wasnt lucky *sob sob* | ||
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On February 27 2013 19:03 Vivax wrote: That's all then. Could you take a look at Hassy and tell me if you see anything scummy? Whats going on vivid axe? I am used to you outright calling people scum, and trying to get them to crumble. Now you are being polite but assertive... you get hit on the head or something? | ||
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On February 27 2013 22:02 The Milkman wrote: Firstly, is this a point about Macho... or a point about layabout?Seems like I have more time, so here is a quick note about Macho. He has been doing this roleplaying thing - fine, he is easily readable through that so no problem. At one point he started to shift towards Vivax lynch not Promethelax lynch. He seems to think that the biggest offence Prom did is leaving the thread. He attacks Vivax in the same post on the basis that he is trying to push people without concrete evidence. Then Vivax posts this bad post of his and Macho does a 180 and targets me. Then, layabout defends me... I know he likes doing that as scum. Lesson back will write more later Secondly, Im curious you find Macho "easily readable". Let me share a post about iamperfection in his concurrent game. On February 27 2013 From "This Town Ain't Big Enough" Now in that game; he gives direct scum read(s), fuck all justification. Typical iamp town core.Iamperfection Town. He literally blurts out his reads as he sees them. This is vintage iamp town play. He's confident and not afraid to shove it in your face - link Do not waste time considering him as scum. This game; I challenge you/anyone to tell me who his top scum read(s) are. What I noticed was a lot of "+1" posts. I won't bother asking to show fuck all justification, because the whole filter reads like that. At least that is common across the two filters. | ||
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I explained why before. I am vehemently against this plan and very disappointed with the sheep votes. This needs to be looked at in gross detail during the night. I should have run for mayor.. Me saying that shows how lacking the leadership is this game. See u after the flip. | ||
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I am so ambivalent about this. On one hand, its fantastic we nailed scum On the other hand: this whole vote swap shenanigan was *so so SO stupid and dangerous* I can understand Wade Fell grasping an opportunity to move into pardoner/mayor; but the sheep votes is appalling (e.g. Glurio - tell me who to move on (there were others.. he was the one that immediately came to mind) I am not saying everyone moving their vote is scum. The problem is: that town can be so easily swayed and willing to change stance in the last minute... this plays directly into the vote mechanics scum want for the next cycles. | ||
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On February 28 2013 09:07 Toadesstern wrote: that being said Laya, VE (sadly), and I myself are all pretty much confirmed town, dr.H as well though not as much (from a objective point of view ignoring everything else because of timestamps, if you add everything else he probably looks better than the 3 of us). So protecting anyone in that list sounds good to me. Grush is the next mafia that needs to be either shot or vigged. See you tomorrow. Disagree entirely. And its been obvious you have been ramping up for this the entire D1 cycle. All you did was point out an inconsistency in Prome play. - and then disappear from the thread to play DOTA That doesnt make you town. The people that fleshed out the case with scum behavioral analysis were people like Dr.H and Wade Fell (myself I believe too). are certainly not purporting to being confirmed town... so it is curious you care so much about your image to enforce this belief among town immediately. ========= Toad.. give me 3 good well-reasoned points to why Grush is town. And association with prome does NOT count... prome could have stuck up for starsenses regardless of alignment. | ||
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On February 27 2013 23:28 The Milkman wrote: Everything besides last line is about macho, then I started talking about layabout because he had defended me and Macho was talking with him about why he did so. I find Macho easy to read because besides him referring to himself in funny names and superbia his short posts are straight to the point. On my way home so I can finally read that layabout filter. Nice and all.. but On February 27 2013 22:39 MilkSuckler wrote: This game; I challenge you/anyone to tell me who his top scum read(s) are. What I noticed was a lot of "+1" posts. I am still waiting for this.... | ||
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On February 27 2013 23:28 The Milkman wrote: Everything besides last line is about macho, then I started talking about layabout because he had defended me and Macho was talking with him about why he did so. I find Macho easy to read because besides him referring to himself in funny names and superbia his short posts are straight to the point. On my way home so I can finally read that layabout filter. Nice and all.. but On February 27 2013 22:39 MilkSuckler wrote: This game; I challenge you/anyone to tell me who his top scum read(s) are. What I noticed was a lot of "+1" posts. Milkman (I know you're here....)I am still waiting for this.... | ||
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On February 28 2013 09:39 Mocsta wrote: Y are u dodging my challenge milkman. This is now the fourth timr i am asking for u to back up ur statement macho is easy to read. Again. Who is macho top 2 scum reads... On February 28 2013 09:43 Mocsta wrote: Toad... The day vig request is pointless. Thy cant shoot day1 Having said that i find it unlikely u put him under that pressure day1 as scum. Not impossible though. Same goes to Ve. His uncertainty end of lynch was terribad toad. Im still waiting for three reasons for grush to be scum On February 28 2013 09:46 Mocsta wrote: Milkman im still waiting. Ur responding to everything else This constant dodging is looking suspicious as fuck now... On February 28 2013 09:47 Mocsta wrote: K bad timing. Sorry milkman On February 28 2013 09:56 Mocsta wrote: Fuckn phone auto log in will paste posts to my filter when i get back to comp On February 28 2013 09:58 Mocsta wrote: Pls expound why ur point 1 is indicative of scum On February 28 2013 10:04 Mocsta wrote: If anything he uswd grush as a medium to build a support vivax meta case i explained before why starsense is null at this point in time will quote it later | ||
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On February 28 2013 10:05 Toadesstern wrote: it's not at unless prom's in his first game of mafia which I'm pretty sure he's not. To be fair I can't tell you why he's mafia at all and I doubt anyone in here will be able to provide anything like that no matter of alignment because it's Grush but I am reeeeally certain he's not town. That only leaves mafia and maybe 3rd party to me, don't you agree? Just trust me again and you'll be happy :3 I didnt trust your read on prome before.. or anyone elses. I made my own decision on prome, and provided my own analysis. Lets assume Grush *IS* scum. So what.. he is so hard to fuckn read, and does nothing.. hes the ideal candidate to eliminate as the fourth or fifth scum. Lets assume we dont know Grush *alignment* - which for me is the situation Then the lynch is founded on nothing, other than uncertainty... thats not a solid lynch candidate for Day2 and puts to waste the efforts of lynching prome Day1. At least you admit outright you got nothing on him.. However, i am still surprised someone of your forum-mafia pedigree is treating this as valid scum hunting though? | ||
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On February 28 2013 10:06 WaveofShadow wrote: Smurfing definitely too hard. And geript was right I see. Good on him I guess. Alright so two words have been going through my head since the successful lynch... TOO EASY. I know that we're not supposed to think this way but isn't Prom a vet mafia player? Did he really think a fake discussion about RNG was going to get stuff going and create confusion? (Maybe he thought the newbies in the game would contribute to it somehow?) Trying to look good way too hard and voting the first townie-looking guy he saw into office then disappearing for good? I don't like it one bit, and now I have to sift through the clusterfuck at the end of D1 to try and learn anything. What the fuck was wrong with all of you? One of Prome problems was that he caught my smurf the night before the game started. We had a pre-game chat, and he signaled his desire to unleash his 'awesome' plan. So in some aspects he had to follow through regardless of alignment. His other problem was that he openly voiced he would be absent for a majority of Day1 cycle. I can easily see the scum qt using this as a situation to bus him - if required. The key would be that someone had to lead the case. This leaves: Toad, VE, Dr.H, MilkSucker, Wade Fell ... I would think one of these is scum I think Toad is unlikely to have cast *THAT* much suspicion early game. I think my case showed the most thought process behind the analysis.. i think that makes me unlikely to be scum. I think Wade Fell would not have walked through the points with Aquanim in as much detail.. making him less unlikely to be scum.. however, because of the mayor situation he could have seen it as a win-win (bus prome and gain town leadership points) VE is interesting.. he followed on after Toad (which even though came early game, could be a guy seeing an opportunity).. To be honest, my main problems with VE revolve around his end of cycle play.. its almost as if he was building up to NOT lynch prome.. this is a problem.. i dont know him well enough to know if this is part of this normal play. Dr.H is interesting too..his no bullshit approach I think is indicative of town... but several seem to doubt him,.. i am not sure if its because they think he is too abrasive. (so personal dislike).. or because I have wool over my eyes.. I will need to re-read him. ======= If someone needs to be scrutinsed this cycle,I would lead on VE. especially after his sheep of toad again to list 3 points to consider grush as scum (and the 3 points were all null indicative) *back to work.. be back later* | ||
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On February 28 2013 10:23 Toadesstern wrote: I have nothing? I'm about as certain about Grush as I was about prom. If there's no way he's town that's a pretty damn good reason to lynch him. And no, if we know his alignment to be red we don't wait and lynch him 4th or 5th trying to find other mafias first... don't pull a vivax on me... The 4th/5th candidate was because it reminded me of Mafia LIX with Oatsmaster. Me n Marv were dead certain on oats...WBG (and IIRC you) were opposed. we left him be (and chased higher profile targets like Chezinu) in the end, a scum oats didnt do much even being the 5th guy eliminated... which is a similar sentiment to a scum grush i believe. | ||
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On February 28 2013 10:28 The Milkman wrote: Milk, we lynch scum as soon as we get them. Of course, there might be bigger fish to fry but we hope that the little spawns are going to be taken care of by town kp, if not, we go for the guy who we think is more likely to flip scum, so just the usual game. Understand.. but I have not seen a substantial reason to consider Grush scum; or anyone make an effort to identify why his actions are only performed by a *scum* Grush. (I admit that is probably a very difficult undertaking though) Toad saying.. my gut says red for Grush.. is not fuckn good enough.. full stop.. this applies to anyone.. if the gut says red.. lead the pressure, and confirm the gut read. *If you must know.. I pushed FUCKN hard for a Grush lynch in Mafia LIX.. based on nothing but a STARSENSES in his first post... he was town; so yes, I do have some hesitance to vote him this early* ================== If you want to talk about useful town vig for this cycle.. i much prefer JJ > Grush. I haven't read Dr.H reasoning for JJ.. so hopefully this is new content Now that prome has flipped. i see an association with JJ. JJ stood up for prome.. we all know this. The question is.. why did prome decide to attack JJ in his final post I see the following options
Ignore JJ JJ already had enough suspicion cast on himself due to defending prome, that the thread was certain to follow up on him the followed day (exemplified by Dr.H etc) defend JJ This would cement prome as scum (he could perhaps still hope the lynch would move somewhere else in the next 24 hrs - which is reasonable to think (look at the mayor vote swaps). It would also create WIFOM of: is he defending scum or setting up town which leads to an uncertain outcome. attack JJ This is pretty easy to do, and might give prome legroom to escape lynch. It also gives JJ an opportunity to defend himself and revert his support on prome. The problem is you still get the WIFOM of "making a scum buddy look good... or casting doubt on a 'bad townie'" *IF* JJ is town, I believe "Ignore" would be the best course of action. You remove the WIFOM and have certainty of a follow up *IF* JJ is scum, you can not defend him due to the above. & ignore still leads to follow up. Attacking JJ gives the best chance of achieving scum objectives (avoid lynch, and get a better image) Look at how JJ defended himself... "I am a super vet player.. if you knew who i was.. i could write 3 times less and be 3 times more influential" An image associated defense ========== So in short.. i didnt think JJ was likely scum pre-flip because I have seen townies make the play he did before.. fuck. i seen town generate fake cases on ppl they were certain of being town to elicit responses. however with the association.. i find it unlikely now based on the interplay that JJ is town. I dont see how the above is less damning than Grush's filter for a vig case.... | ||
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On February 28 2013 10:05 DoctorHelvetica wrote: + Show Spoiler + EBWOP - Layabout - I missed the explanation of your change of thought on Promethelax. My question is why didn't you see the martyring in his post? He had an opportunity to defend himself against my pressure before he went AFK before his farewell and he chose not to. Even without the time to properly do so, a townie would definitely be more aggressive in defending himself against the accusations. It was emotionless, deflated, that's what I'd expect. Vigilante - shoot JungleJorge tonight. On February 26 2013 18:25 JungleJorge wrote: I believe promethelax is innocent and I may expand on that if necessary, but it should be painfully obvious to anyone reading this thread how much traction this wagon got based on very poor reasoning by most of you. Much of the "scummy" behavior you have been pointing out is exactly the opposite of what scum normally tries to accomplish when they post. I suggest you revisit prom's filter and think about why he would post some of the stuff he has posted if he was indeed scum. I plan on being more specific later, but I'll give you guys some time to figure it out by yourselves. I would also like you to take a look on The Macho Man, as he is my best guess for scum amongst the "active" posters. Again, I'll come back to expand on this as well. See you guys in a few hours. MachoMan is the easy choice. A trolly player who has been mostly unclear about his intentions. Surprised he wouldn't go for Vivax, but I think Vivax is scum anyway so that would explain it. But first, let's deconstruct this gem: Promethelax is likely scum. I made that post specifically to see how he would react (as you noticed I didn't provide any reasons). Mostly my concerns were that too many people were pushing for his lynch and there was no opposition to it. Also the main reasons for the suspicion on him was some sudden change of mind or some controversial behavior, and those are normally townie traits. The thought begins by establishing that JungleJorge thought Promethelax was scum all along. He then claims the point of his defense toward Promethelax was to get a reaction out of him. 1. Why would a townie looking to pressure someone they think is scum do so by defending them? 2. Why would a townie ever intentionally defend someone they suspect of being scum? 3. Imagine you are scum being assaulted by town. Along comes a townie to defend you. In what way does this illicit a reaction or response from you? Would you thank him? Why wouldn't you just focus your response on your accusers to try to get free? The fact that Promethelax even responded is INCREDIBLY canned and staged. After all those people hammering him, the person he suspects is the single person defending him? Idiotic. This was a staged argument imo. "Now onto his reaction to my post: as town he would never come to the conclusion that I'm scum in that spot. What would be my interest as scum in defending a player everybody else thinks is scum? For town cred?" - This is absolute nonsense. If you are scum, you would know who is confirmed as town. The reasoning is simple, defend the mislynch then reap in the cred when the person flips green. "I'll refrain from expanding my thoughts on macho man from now as to not derail this lynch." - Great. Vig JungleJorge. Out of everything happening before Prom left the game, he chooses to focus his response on JJ's defense? I don't think so. Irk... this is similar to what i just posted.. im sorry. i honestly didnt try to sheep you (nor did I read this prior) | ||
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On February 28 2013 10:59 WaveofShadow wrote: The fuck, Mocsta? You suspect yourself? Upon looking back at the horrible mess that was pre-lynch a couple ideas popped into my head but honestly they're not worth voicing because they're way too complicated and unlikely to be true. All the same I REALLY didn't like the Toad/VE fiasco... DrH and to some extent BH seem quote townie to me, DrH especially. If he's not town just like Zare early last game I'd be terrified for us all. I added myself because I have nothing to hide and I was one of the ppl who built a case on prome. I think its null I included myself.. I was active enough in promes lynch (in my opinion) that as scum I would have to consider myself in that list regardless. If you think I included myself in that list to then clear myself of suspicion straight after (by saying its unlikely I am scum).. well.. then you really need to read my filter and determine for yourself whether you think I am scum or town. | ||
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I would rather get you lynched than Vig'd purely for egotistical reasons (I am sure you know what I am talking about hahah)and dear.. I have been investigating you the entire Day1 cycle.. but I am sure you already knew that | ||
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On February 28 2013 11:08 The Macho Man wrote: why do you say that? i see no super scummyness in his filter he attacks some of the huge names in the threads for whatever reason and seems to have no fear looks like a misguided townie to me Macho... I asked Milkman before to tell me who your top 2 reads were. he couldnt find ithem. Frankly. i dont care who you think is (misguided) town, cos scum know who is town. Please be all macho and provide your top two scum reads. | ||
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On February 28 2013 11:11 WaveofShadow wrote: Biggest thing I learnt from my first newbie.I'm not accusing you of anything, I was just confused to be honest. As far as involvement in the case on Prom forming associations....the problem is I don't feel the Prom flip really accomplished anything aside from lynching scum. Which is great, but since he was gone so early and for so long I don't think we can gather enough concrete info about other people from that. As I said I have some really convoluted suspicions that are possible but not nearly enough to go on, and as people have stated, Occam's Razor. KISS Keep It Simple All of us have an ego and want to catch the super scum plan and get the glory.. But in reality SO many variables have to occur for this to be likely (i.e. all scum players will have to know each other intimately etc).. This game is full of smurfs and newbies... just Keep it Simple | ||
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On February 28 2013 11:13 VisceraEyes wrote: Not even to mention the fact that...you know...I'm mayor...and I lynched Prom. That's just icing. Do I need to quote the posts where you say with 'authority' that you are uncertain with prome as YOUR lynch, and could change your decision. This brings to mind. I think it was TestSubject, who said, ppl deserve to know who you are lynching.. because they are voting for you on the premise you will vote prome. The mayor lynch means Sweet Fuck All | ||
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On February 28 2013 11:17 JungleJorge wrote: My light went out right after I proposed to elect prom pardoner, so I was unable to be more useful with my vote. I will be glad to be lynched/vigged whenever I'm wrong about someone. Until then I ask you to bare with me. And stop calling me bad because it's irritating and most of you doing it suck. I did conclude that prome was mafia and ended up voting to lynch him. Now, you may believe I'm scum and was bussing, but until then I'd like to have my posts read and not dismissed. What do you make of my comment regarding your image-based defense? | ||
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On February 28 2013 11:19 geript wrote: No, lynching someone who not lynching would get you lynched is nothing. Not icing, nothing. Bingo Geript Can I have your updated thoughts on Dr.H; now that is he the pardoner - something you were against. Do you think his approach his cycle is something scum can easily follow through with? | ||
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On February 28 2013 11:20 VisceraEyes wrote: Which is exactly why I didn't mention it. Did you want to respond to the post above that one? I didn't want to be mayor FOR THAT REASON. I tried to NOT be mayor FOR THAT REASON. If I went with the premise that prome was an early orchestrated bus.. I think this clears you.. there is no reason for you to bus prome, be a mayor front runner and then sow uncertainty with prome... it woudl be obvious you would get the heat you are now. You could have easily rode the wave, and become essentially confirmed town. I dunno if you are devious enough, to hope that someone comes to the above reasoning, to then say.. well you must be confirmed town then as the above doesnt apply. Either way, sounds too risky of a play to me. ======== If I went with the premise that you tried to create distance, but actually ended up catching prome with his pants down.. well I could see why you would want to create uncertainty. But this story doesnt sell with promes final post.. effectively giving you permission to bus him without looking back. ========= VE Two questions (1) Macho was a prome supporter, and gave 0 reasoning. Even now, he has no scum reads.. What do you make of this? (2) IIRC, all of Wade Fell posting has been around mayor campaigns. Even his scum reads/cases are used as a platform for the campaign. I never played with BH.. is he that self-centric? | ||
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On February 28 2013 11:31 JungleJorge wrote: The guilt pours out of your pores as you type this half hearted mudslinging attempt . Rest at ease, you aren't long for this world. JJ I dont like MachoMan either. You mentioned filter diving before.. Can I get you to prioritise Geript pls? My read on him has evolved since the lynch, I want to know if we are on the same page. | ||
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On February 28 2013 11:32 The Macho Man wrote: ok just checking you would be scum read #1 then if thats all you plan on doing. OMGUS anyone? | ||
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On February 28 2013 11:33 VisceraEyes wrote: 1) iamp is always a problem for me to read. I'll have to filter him to give you an answer, but honestly his inactivity will make that harder. I will do my best when I get home. 2) Yes. Very much so. He wants nothing more than for his epeen to grow. It's not alignment indicative. Noted on #2 and as I suspected. Can we expect him to be a contributor later on; now that the mayor game is over? | ||
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On February 28 2013 11:36 The Macho Man wrote: actually its not you see he basically decided that his way of "contributing" for the next coming cycle is to tunnel the hell out of me. I in the mean time will be looking for more scum jj can die though. Well I look forward to your first scum read that isnt a +1.. and isnt based on someone attacking you. | ||
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On February 28 2013 11:37 geript wrote: I made no such argument. I stated that selecting someone who you've run your campaign on being mayor is worth nothing. Being waffly on him earlier was worth less. I also agreed that you weren't trying to run for mayor... Other positions however... I also pointed out that you lied about not mentioning selecting Prome as being worth something. You're a lying liar. Day vigs, wait until dawn please. Hold up RipTide If you can reply to this... you can reply to my last request of you. | ||
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On February 28 2013 11:40 JungleJorge wrote: I've actually looked at geript and don't think he should be one of our main suspects for tomorrow. I'm leaning town on him. This actually aligns for me (as in I have gone from probably scum, to "null" | ||
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On February 28 2013 11:45 JungleJorge wrote: Obviously what I got was much better, basically a scum claim from prom in my eyes. Please expound | ||
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On February 28 2013 11:49 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Attacking his defender is basically impossible logic for town. If prom was town then jj would have been correct, there would be nothing to criticize. Yes; but JJ talks as if the reaction was intentional. Maybe hes a super duper mafia player or whatever, but yeah, I dont see how that action is claimable for town cred. If anything the action of prome, sealed his fate.. but also leaves JJ as null/leaning scum (I outlined reasons before) | ||
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On February 28 2013 11:50 ObviousOne wrote: I'm not intentionally trying to be useless, I just have some level of bi-polar tendencies in that some days are good and others are bad, and the gap between is rather wide. Yesterday was bad, hopefully tomorrow is good. I dont give a flying fuck about tomorrow being good. You raise the play this cycle... The whole "case" was a big wall of fluff... if you gotta problem with aqua.. put some fucking quotes that highlight how his questions go no where, and dont show a guy trying to figure things out. saying, for me to filter dive both of you is a big waste of time. | ||
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On February 28 2013 11:55 geript wrote: @Moc you're asking me to read, analyze and evaluate a filter from work on my phone. That is impossible. Apologies, I thought with the posts you were giving to VE you were back. Trust me, I am understanding of phone posting.. heck.. its how I outted my smurf [fluff] I dont think you woulda found me out, if prome didnt know it was me | ||
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On February 28 2013 11:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I thought so too but apparently I misunderstood. Sorry, i read this a couple times and not sure where you stand. Can you please clarify? | ||
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On February 28 2013 12:03 ObviousOne wrote: This post is helpful feedback, thank you Mocsta. Good day, sir. I think I will ignore you since I don't want to have another shit-fest in the thread. Ignoring me is guaranteed to make me shove a foot up your ass. And the comment was raised to you with the intent of constructive criticism. | ||
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On February 28 2013 12:06 JungleJorge wrote: I've looked into Testsubject and I'm leaning town. Looked into Jcarl and I'm leaning scum on him, but not with the same confidence of the other 2 I pointed. Some assistance would be appreciated on JC. There are quite a few aspects of carl play I dont like. Hes definitely choosing to contribute on issues not dominant in the thread at the time.. but then.. the contributions are just pointing things out.. there is no detailed thought process. In short, I do not find him townie, and his demeanor regarding prome is suspect. However... his filter has strengthened my read on Vivax and my theory that prome pushed his meta defense on Grush, to give a meta defense on Vivax. | ||
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On February 28 2013 12:34 The Macho Man wrote: you dont think you were being overly defensive in your post? You could and should have if you were town this is why aqua is scum ......... instead you said aqua is scum because he is acting just like you........unless im missing something. LOL.. thats essentially a scum slip then by OO (obviously YOu = OO in that context) | ||
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On February 28 2013 12:41 ObviousOne wrote: Wow. Yeah please shoot me I don't want to be around these two. Thanks Vig. OO I really enjoyed reading your thoughts in the shadowing thread. I also enjoyed your drive when you were an outted SK in NMM37 and pushing town to scum hunt even though the cycle was dead. I know you are capable of determining this scum team. =============== Please contribute to town, and share with me your thoughts on Vivax. | ||
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On February 28 2013 12:44 JungleJorge wrote: I'm actually leaning town on vivax. Besides his filter size and his general inquisitive attitude towards other players, there is also his long post that he comments on several others. One of those is me, who he actually mixed up with another player and came to the conclusion I was scum based on another player filter. To me that indicates that he had several filters opened when writing it and thus is likely townie. I believe mafia would not only be more careful, but decide their target first before attacking someone. I think we should focus on those 2 (TMM and RO) tomorrow instead. I dunno who u r, so asking in general: Are you aware of Vivax meta, and read any of his past games? I need to know if you're using standard mafia player heuristics, because in my opinion, Vivax is an exception to the rule. | ||
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On February 28 2013 12:54 The Macho Man wrote: thats not what we are talking about but ok I disagree I think your using the heuristic that scum is meticulous and careful... and him making mistakes and having multiple filters open is town indicative. I can tell you now, I am not as crazy as Vivax, and when I roll scum I have no prblem opening 10 filters and doing a list post. Its easy to make fuck ups on big posts, its hard to proof them.. and often there is lack of motivation to re-read them as they take ages to put together. So yeah, if thats what you and JJ agree on.. then I disagree vehemently for that to be a town heuristic. | ||
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It is safe to say you were never a NK candidate... Is it not convenient this all comes about after Dr.H threatens you as a valid Vig target? | ||
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Im reading through prome/aqua filter now.. but whilst I am doing that. If aqua was indeed mafia, does that make OO confirmed town for you? | ||
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On February 28 2013 13:53 JungleJorge wrote: I haven't looked into OO, nor I think that's how I should be spending my time. As I've read the thread normally he didn't seem suspicious to me. Why would aqua being scum make OO confirmed town in your opinion? I would think if you read through aqua filter, my point would be clear... (yes I am being vague intentionally...) | ||
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Aqua prime focus has been OO... its difficult to swallow that aqua play as scum is *so* weak, he can only muster the courage to make reads on scum brethren OO. Thus, the conclusion for me at least would be, if aqua was scum, OO is cleared by association.. perhaps.. confirmed town is wrong because I forgot about existence of 3rd party. So if that was your pretense, fair enough. | ||
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It looked great at first glance, but from my first read I am not convinced he is leaning town. (or whether the content is actually that analytical...) e.g. I am not sure why focusing on smurfs is akin to lurker rage; nor why a large list post of reads is a clear town trait. The content in that list post.. well milkman summarised the fluff of it quite well. I appreciate the effort none-the-less. ============== JJ I read through aqua filter.. i am going to need more that your comments above for him to have traction (with me) I dont think aqua has been particularly useful, but, I like his filter regardless. Theres a degree of tunneling in there, that I think is more synonymous with town play vs scum play. Usually as scum I try to tunnel two or three players to keep my options open.. I dont see this in aqua filter. The major point i didnt like with him was his vote for Wade Fell, where he felt the need to still say OO was his top candidate, before committing to a prome lynch... that post read a bit forced + Show Spoiler + On February 26 2013 19:44 Aquanim wrote: OK, I buy this. ##Vote: Wade Fell I'm still in favour of a lynch on Obvious because I feel like he overreacted to my pressure on him and since my interaction with him all he has is a filter page's worth of useless fluff. In fact, all of Obvious's filter is useless fluff. There's more than one scum in the game though and I agree, Prom's failure to actually try to make anything happen with his RNG gambit does not evoke towny feelings. | ||
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On February 26 2013 19:09 Aquanim wrote: And on Prom, do you think his posturing over RNG is necessarily a scum move? Suggesting a RNG lynch while knowing full well it's a terrible idea is a gambit I've seen before, and "gambit" was the first thing I thought when I saw it. Not sure whether people who did it previously were scum or not though. Still, I don't see how it couldn't be town-motivated, as a method to create discussion. Aqua, The above is *really* conflicting my thought process on you. I need a fleshed out response. Explain to me how discussion of RNG can stimulate meaningful discussion as townie. I am now uncertain how you mentality shifted from soft-defending a guy based on "could be town motivation" to clear that is scummy.. when the evidence presented never changed. Please keep in mind the below:
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On February 28 2013 15:55 VisceraEyes wrote: Actually the crux of my problem with Prom was the way he attacked WoS but did NOT attack Vivax for the same reasoning...which led to my interaction with him in which he got way scummy. But my main point was the attacking WoS but not Vivax. Nice de-lurk. To be frank, I didnt re-read anyones Prome points when writing that.. does it really matter? Me don't think so. | ||
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On February 28 2013 15:44 Wade Fell wrote: Wow I'm so bad quoted for filter purposes Do you have something useful to contribute?... cos your e-peen is looking pretty flaccid to me | ||
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On February 28 2013 15:53 Aquanim wrote: Me no like that answer.Well, I'm still convinced that RNG is bad. Discussing it might not have been, and I thought that people were claiming that the gambit itself was scummy. Until Wade emphasised it I hadn't realised just how little effort Prom had put into trying to get it discussed. Perhaps that had been emphasised earlier, I have no idea - this is a large thread and I haven't read it all thoroughly. In any case, asking WF those questions had another purpose - exploring just how much conviction he had for the case, and how thoroughly he had thought it through. Nice sell on the discourse with Wade Fell but not the point of my question. You know RNG is bad. And I am not asking if the gambit is scummy. I want to know specifically how you think RNG discussion can be beneficial to town discussion, considering that was a major reason of you not accepting the case (initially) On February 26 2013 19:09 Aquanim wrote: Still, I don't see how it couldn't be town-motivated, as a method to create discussion. | ||
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On February 28 2013 15:55 VisceraEyes wrote: Actually the crux of my problem with Prom was the way he attacked WoS but did NOT attack Vivax for the same reasoning...which led to my interaction with him in which he got way scummy. But my main point was the attacking WoS but not Vivax. Since you de-lurked.. have your thoughts evolved on OO now that he unleashed his case 2.0 format? | ||
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On February 28 2013 16:07 Wade Fell wrote: 1) yes 2) usually just after climax i am quite flaccid Guess now we know the genesis of Blazing hand. | ||
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On February 28 2013 16:18 Aquanim wrote: + Show Spoiler + I want to know specifically how you think RNG discussion can be beneficial to town discussion, considering that was a major reason of you not accepting the case (initially) Lemme lay out a possible scenario.
tl;dr - baiting scum to attack you (in a way which will expose them as scum) by making an easily attackable post is a conceivable town tactic. ##Vig: Aquanim Wrong answer The conversation I had with Prome pre-game actually supports your hypothesis. the problem is: promes actions in-game....Which conveniently you quoted for me already Yes? But the idea of a random lynch is good. You should be able to see why. Assuming you don't suck, which I'm assuming. Let me bring to the fore points I raised in my case of Prome On February 26 2013 13:55 MilkSuckler wrote: There is no fucking way a townie goes about achieving a trap like that the way prome went about it.(1) Conjecture: I have PM correspondance with prome (pre-LX) that state explicitly he is against RNG as it is both anti-town and stupid play. ... (2) Track History: Both Nomination & NMM37 contained proponents of RNG. They were both scum. Though this does not guarantee Prome as scum; it does suggest scum are more willing to run with it than town. ... (1) Outcome: Mentions the RNG play didn't generate the discussion he wanted. Yet responds to people with "pro-town gems" like: "you should be able to see why. Assuming you don't suck". There is no effort in his filter to prompt further discourse; and when others critically query him, he immediately shuts them down with insults. ... (2) The plan: Provides details of the RNG plan to unveil scum - because only scum would support RNG. Ironically scum proponent: Djodref, took a similar stance in Nomination mafia. This is a very convenient stance any RNG proponent can outline; without dispute. The real question is whether prome went out of his way to facilitate discussion and identify RNG supporters. The short answer is: no" .... (2) RNG: You can include RNG as a sudden shift as it lost momentum. The whole play read like a farce with zero commitment. ... His RNG behaviour is classic scum mentality; and I believe if a townie ever pushed for RNG it would be performed with a lot more transparency. I actually have respect for your play; and know you pride yourself on picking up bullshit like what Prome did. That you turn a blind eye (repeatedly)... well... there is nothing to say | ||
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On February 28 2013 16:25 VisceraEyes wrote: Frankly the fact that he put so much effort into looking into Vivax for you rather than giving Vivax a once over and getting immediately on looking for scum on his terms speaks volumes in my opinion. Yes it does: and none of it necessarily a town tell. So what does the above mean for you then: On February 28 2013 16:23 VisceraEyes wrote: Does that speak volumes too?Well it certainly looks like he put a lot of effort into it. I disagree with his conclusion, but that's neither here nor there. My read on him will depend on what kind of effort goes into a scum read of his - not looking into someone at the behest of someone else. | ||
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On February 28 2013 16:32 VisceraEyes wrote: What are you asking me? You said.. OO looking into someone @ my bequest speaks volumes of him The inference is town (I imagine) You on the other hand, u said, you wont look into someone @ the bequest of someone What is the inference then lol? the comment was tongue in cheek and prob more rhetorical than actual.. Thanks for treating it srs anyways (i think??) | ||
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I assume you know VE game well. Is he capable of drastically changing up his meta/style between two/three games in a row? | ||
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On February 28 2013 16:41 VisceraEyes wrote: Nonono you're misunderstanding me. THE EFFORT speaks volumes not the action. He put ALL THAT EFFORT into reading Vivax' filter and pouring over meta and whatever the fuck...for a townread...for you. It looks scummy to me. Why not spend that "2 hours" on putting together a case against someone? He's under heavy attack, he needs to find scum. One of the major points against him is that he's had like no scum reads. I looked at Obvious' post because it was new and commented on it. There's a vast difference. Awesome.. I was fucking hoping you meant that. Cool I would love to say that was a "trap".. but yes.. was just honest misinterpretation | ||
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On February 28 2013 16:40 Aquanim wrote: Out of curiosity, what would have been the right answer? If there wasn't one, maybe you oughta reexamine your read for confirmation bias... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=399294¤tpage=97#1940 You gave the right answer... thats why it is the wrong answer. You have proven you understand the reasoning behind town/scum logic with RNG discussion. Yet is You even quote his behaviour and turn a blind eye. For me: This actually for me proves you are scum.. you KNOWINGLY turned a blind eye to what you know (as a townie) *stinks* I conclude with: On February 28 2013 16:28 MilkSuckler wrote: ##Vig: Aquanim | ||
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On February 28 2013 16:46 Aquanim wrote: Yo MilkSuckler, I'm not dead quite yet. Answer the question. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=399294¤tpage=98#1960 There you go dear | ||
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On February 28 2013 17:00 Aquanim wrote: This isn't actually an answer to my question. If there weren't any answers I could have given that would have changed your mind why did you ask the question in the first place? Also... I don't really agree with this, and it certainly wasn't clear to me at the time. F'rinstance, I thought at the time that Prom insulting the first player to question him was designed to rile people up more and try to provoke a response, which would have been a good townie tactic. Your case is still assuming that I have completely read the thread and thought hard about all of it, which is already longer than any games I've previously played. I've been busy since the game started and thus haven't had time to think critically about all 25 players. What exactly is scummy about me not realising Prom's gambit wasn't done well until it was specifically pointed out? Do you seriously think the entirety of my filter reflects a scummy player? I know you, and I know how many townies you've tunneled based on a single perceived inconsistency. You're doing it again. Nice work going ad-hominem at the end. I know you, and I know how many townies you've tunneled based on a single perceived inconsistency. You're doing it again. ========= If you recall, I actually liked your filter when JJ called you out, and said he needs to provide more substance. My issue with your play came about during your defense from JJ. I probed you, and your guilt became more and more apparent; no tunneling involved there. Nice try to discredit there, dear :p ========= Lastly, the right answer: was to not be aware of the right answer. ========Stupidity would have set you free. To expound: That you comment on town-motivation with prome; infers you spent time examining the action in question before deriving at your soft-defense conclusion. Our discussions have proved you are aware of what is right, and what is wrong.. I severely doubt you had an epiphany moment mid-game, to give you improved insight into town/scum motivations; so its safe to conclude you were aware of this pre-game. Thus, you analysed the behaviour.. you were aware of what is town motivation.. but you still turned a blind eye and tried to cast doubt on a prome lynch.. I see ZERO town motivation for that action | ||
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On February 28 2013 17:11 The Milkman wrote: I don't understand your point Milk. Aquanim actually supported candidate who was dead set on lynching Promethelax and just because he did not see through Promethelax's intentions says nothing of him - I myself was not convinced... till like I read 15 pages. People can be wrong. Aquanim has been helpful so far, he's been asking questions, prodding people and getting reactions out of them. He has been consequent with his read on ObviousOne. He seems to really care about this case but he's seen that there is not that much of a support for that lynch (now, because we all seem to have stronger reads). His play goes from point A to point B, your questions and his answers prove just that, there is no contradiction. Those were the same pointers I felt when I stood up for aquanim before. I agree people can be wrong.. and I admit i could be wrong.. I really liked aquanim until this "town motivation' issue occured. The problem is: turning that blind eye. In fact, I think Ver's guide has a similar situation when he nailed scum (not that I am using that as a basis for this) ========= My problem in short: Aqua commented on prome with a soft-defense. Why comment 'off-the-cuff'? It does not fit the style of Aquanim, he is a critical thinker; not an impulse man. If town.. I am confident he would have read the the cases, then re-read prome and go.. hold on.. this doesnt make sense.. and then pose his question due to critical thought. Therein lies the problem.. He has proved he can differentiate between town/scum logic for RNG traps... Hence before he voiced his opinion on the matter, he already ran the town/scum rationale and STILL decided town motivation was a possibility This doesn't hold up ----- If scum I believe he seized an opportunity to appear interested in the lynch by casting some doubt, and then demonstrate conviction to town by being actively 'convinced'. | ||
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On February 28 2013 17:18 Aquanim wrote: I had an epiphany (pretty good description actually) that Promethelax wasn't trying to make the RNG gambit succeed. I thought he might have been at that point, and later realised he almost certainly wasn't. You can take that or leave it. And once again that was NOT A DEFENCE OF PROM. That was a "someone please explain this to me further", and Wade obliged. All scum say: after my flip, do a re-read to see where you went wrong - including prome lol Look: I will do a re-read tonight with a fresh head and see if I agree with how I feel right now. Having said that.. I am not a vig, so from that perspective; I am not the one that needs to be convinced of innocence/guilt. | ||
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On February 28 2013 17:21 randombum wrote: I'm with aqua on this one suckler. The heat you are giving him is easily explained by he figured out the inconsistency in prom's play after his original soft-defense. Yeah im starting to see that, which is why Im taking a break and come back later. I agree townies can make mistakes; and I did like his filter before this situation arose. randombum: since you are here and you asked for pointer directions; some ppl asked about jcarlsoniv before. He was another prome defender.. care to share your thoughts on him? | ||
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My new recommendation is to have a good look through the 1 page filter of hassybaby. This guy has shown zero interest in the game responding only if addressed Is super passive aggressive in his limited posts, And is never trying to develop any ideas Lastly this fucker openly campaigned for pardoner... Saying feel free to shoot me *if* I use the role.... Please consider hassybaby as a legitimate vig target. | ||
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On February 28 2013 22:01 Vivax wrote: + Show Spoiler + On February 28 2013 01:32 glurio wrote: OK nothing vivax? Really? On February 28 2013 03:33 glurio wrote: I'm down with putting prom into the pardoner position and offing him and the role with him. On February 28 2013 04:05 glurio wrote: Ok ill change my vote to DrH so VE doesn't get mayor and goes crazy. On February 28 2013 07:25 glurio wrote: Ok I'm here now, where should i place my vote? On February 28 2013 07:35 glurio wrote: Ok i still don't really get it. So we give a stupid, emotional and possible bad player (just quoting) 2 votes D2? Because you can possibly steer him DrH? On February 28 2013 07:45 glurio wrote: So can we consolidate on someone else than VE now? On February 28 2013 08:11 glurio wrote: -snipped quote here- You got toad and prome confused? On February 28 2013 08:33 glurio wrote: I do think it's a good idea to put prom as pardoner, but VE as mayor i didn't like so much. On February 28 2013 08:40 glurio wrote: When from now is the deadline? How many hours? (Can't get the timezoneconverter thing to work right now) On February 28 2013 08:42 glurio wrote: DrH you should switch to yourself. On February 28 2013 19:44 glurio wrote: With that i'll be away buying groceries for a while. On February 27 2013 04:19 glurio wrote: Do you think vayesh is scummier then prome? On February 27 2013 02:22 glurio wrote: Game started at 1 am my time, had to work this morning and it took me nearly 3 hours to read all those pages, that's why it took so long to contribute. I have to go out for a bit, will be here before deadline hopefully. On February 27 2013 04:11 glurio wrote: I think vayesh does make sense in what he posts. Yeah hes pretty much just prodding around but thats kinda what you have to do in the beginning. And he has found good points imo. Jcarlsoniv do you believe prom and vivax are town? If yes, what makes you believe so? On February 27 2013 04:40 glurio wrote: I found it odd he went so harsh after vayesh because i think vayesh played a good town game so far. Thats why i went after him. Would've gone further in questioning him, if he didn't went afk. On February 28 2013 00:43 glurio wrote: Why would i need to prove to you that i'm town? I believe you alread know. I'll just go on and do some scumhunting, which i am doing right now! So how about answering to my post? It's funny how you start off your case by 1.mentioning things like activity, that actually show I'm town. You should start looking at my meta before you start drawing conclusions based on that, but drawing conclusions is secondary to you, all you're doing is making a puppet case after a bunch of people mentioned me as scumread. 2. Making points that apply mostly to yourself. I know this doesnt help, but fuck that made me LOL | ||
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Context: Day2 - OO caught as SK within 2 hrs Even as a soon-to-be-dead 3rd party; he is actively trying to help town... (This came maybe 4-6 hrs into the cycle) On February 15 2013 01:30 ObviousOne wrote: How about you guys talk about anything but me and anyone who insists on discussing me is obviously not reading the thread. I fully expect to get every single vote today so it will be no information if you pursue your speculation on me. Consider scum hunting as I was advocating before..... Thats townie as fuck regardless of being SK ============== OO, any particular reason you keep requesting time extensions for contributions (bar the Vivax read) | ||
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On February 28 2013 23:25 Vivax wrote: Milkman is probably glurio's scumbuddy, asking some random questions, soft-defending him against me. If glurio flips red you're next. (1) I like milkman... i havnt done a filter dive, but all the things I remember from him give me no inclination to.... (2) Any reason your debating with Glurio and not Toad? Glurio is the one pushing for your lynch next cycle. Toad is the one pushing for you to be vig'd THIS CYCLE. | ||
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On February 28 2013 23:38 Vivax wrote: I don't care if Toad wants me vigged, glurio is scum and should be taken care of one way or another. This RO guy soft pushing me when the mood swings over is scummy as fuck as well. Im gonna be frank (which means being disrespectful to Glurio.. *Sorry*) Glurio has played scum before.. NMM36 His play was atrocious.. like one of the worst scum performances in the past 6 to 8 games. This game is a complete contrast. yes, if you compare Glurio to the townier players in the game (e.g Dr.H etc) he falls short... but if you compare Glurio to NMM36 Glurio or even his previous town games (NMM35/37).. (i.e keep it relative) hes prob the towniest player in the game. This is my 4th game with Glurio, and this is the most pro-active I have ever seen him... if you couple this with being in a 25 player game where some personalities are massively dominating, that type of (relative) confidence goes a long way for me. I aint stopping you from pursuing him.. I am just trying to give you some of my heuristics to why I dont consider him a threat. its up to you if u want to check it confirms. ============== As for RO, i reckon thats a decent lead to pursue, and happy to look at whatever you can dig up there. | ||
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On February 28 2013 23:58 Toadesstern wrote: not really reading right now but I just saw that one. Is someone saying I want you vigged? Because I don't. I said (just like hassy) that you're a possible vig-target at best, not a lynch target. I'd say there's at least 2 or 3 people who look way worse than you though, probably even leaning town on you right now. My bad that was me (n just checked ya filter to confirm).. I recall someone making the request recently. musta been RO K mouth keeping shut, im obviously too tired. | ||
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On March 01 2013 00:03 Vivax wrote: Milksuckler said you want me vigged. Dunno, didn't check. See above, was confused.. sorry :S *Peace Out* been a long day; see you at the deadline. | ||
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On March 01 2013 01:34 The Macho Man wrote: no that conversation does not make me think he is town. all it was was defense no scum hunting that is scummy. Sure. But i dont see what scum hunting you have done. As far as i know.. you have plucked a number out a hat and said.. JJ/Aqua is scum.. theres no development of a read in your filter Yes I dont have to like you to sheep you... but I do have to trust you.. and that currently does not exist | ||
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On March 01 2013 01:39 The Macho Man wrote: that's not what im saying and you don't have to trust me at all. Im either scum or im not hasy and aqua have acted scummy what you think of me is completely irrelevant from my point of view because i know im town so i know im on to something with these two. I have excellent town reads plus i bus all the time as scum so either way you should be winning by going along with me. 1 poor action does not make someone scum... and as you know half this game is separating the bad townie from the scum Like I said before, hassy, I have no problem being taken out - not that I am the gatekeeper. I think Aqua is a poor choice; if anything JJ read was tunneled... im confident of that after the convo with aqua. You do realise, everyone says their town.. including prome. so I couldnt give a rats arse if you "know your town"; Which leads us to: im not going to trust your reads without analysis: something sore lacking from your filter. You do the math. ============ P.S. On March 01 2013 00:15 The Macho Man wrote: i change my mind on jj he is being open with his thoughts and is talking about the game a lot i think he is town now. If we apply your criteria to you.. OK, you are being open with the outcome of your thoughts; and you are talking more. But theres a huge difference in what how you and JJ report your reads. He actually walks through the read; you post the conclusion. Hence, with your rationale, i can not call you a town read.... | ||
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My thoughts actually changed two or three times while I fleshed out my response - hopefully its still coherent. (1) After checking the votes between 60min and Final.. I can see why you think the last few ppl that swapped on you, voted to ensure you were not pardoner. (2) Most of the vets in this game have played self-centric; so I wouldnt hold credence in their words influencing the whole of town (certainly some.. but not all 25 players) For reference of votes: + Show Spoiler + 60min to go VisceraEyes (7): 10min to go VisceraEyes (9): Final Count VisceraEyes (10): Now if this is all purely VCA.. i dont know how you go about ascertaining scum from inactives... I now presume this was the whole point of the post (if so.. apologies, it completely went over my head first read) - i.e. discuss to determine which is scum, which is inactive. (written after writing reads). Most of the below is pretty wishy-washy.. i guess if you didnt realise, most of these ppl haven't been on my agenda this cycle.. If I am around Day2, I will put energy into strengthening my reads. Vivax: Null (from red) - Im actually liking his recent activity.. sure its a touch shallow but i didnt mind it.. subject to change hassybaby: Red - already suggested for vig to check this guy out Macho Man: Null (From red)- I really want to lynch this guy.. hes really rubbing me the wrong way... but im giving him benefit of the doubt for being in two games (and prioritizing the other game over this one).. subject to change Restraining Order: Red - i really dont like this guy from the start.. done nothing since that I can recall vividly randombum: Green (From null)- I dont remember what this guy did most of the game, until he called me out on aquanim.. I liked the way he did it.. I know scum can defend a town read easily.. but i liked his approach (just like milkman) wave: Im stuck with this guy.. i would love to say bad town.. but.. that campaign for pardoner was interesting.. I would need to give this guy a dedicated filter dive to be certain.. will go bad town for time being. | ||
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On March 01 2013 02:50 Toadesstern wrote: VE already mentioned it: He didn't want to be mayor, he rage'ed around the deadline and he was pretty damn unreasonable when he raged. All points that should make someone question VE and yet people ended up voting him as mayor, which is somewhat weird unless it's a "fuck this DrH guy!" attitude going around. I actually agree with him. People voting VE without proper reason are weird because they should have at least stumbled upon his later posts doubting him but they apparently didn't. +1 its why it took me 30min to write my reply... i finally got it after making 2 posts that disagreed with him. | ||
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On March 01 2013 02:56 WaveofShadow wrote: Uh...here's my proper reason: This was quite a while before the lynch, well before VE started going nuts. Yes he was flip-flopping a bit and so i could've voted Dr.H instead (didn't want to vote BH, didn't like his single-mindedness) but meh. I wasn't going to be around and VE was a decently safe vote. Hell I even left my vote on him and warned him before I left. Simple as that. You're welcome to dive into my filter to find more Mocsta, but in my opinion it probably makes more sense to confirm higher-priority targets for tonight/tomorrow like people's thoughts on Vivax or Hassy. I personally have another in mind, but as I said, it's coming. If I didnt have the pardoner campaign in my head.. you would have been green for me. But yes, as it stands you are not a priority read for me.. good luck with ya case, i look forward to reading it. | ||
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Will give a very quick breakdown on why i changed my mind on Grush ============ http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=393344¤tpage=18#342 This is me in Mafia LIX hitting Grush for unleashing Starsenses in his first post The key point is the spoilered meta case from Prome ! + Show Spoiler + On January 15 2013 05:32 Promethelax wrote: But I think he is town, at first I thought the green starsenses was different than his usual bread crumb but I went and looked. LVII Hero LVIII so I'd say he is town. Just annoying not here town. After all that meta evidence (+ include Mafia LIX) we get the outcome so I'd say he is town. Just annoying not here town. ============== This game with a scum prome.. we get: On February 26 2013 12:02 grush57 wrote: oh sure STARSENSES I did it in the first post also btw On February 26 2013 12:06 Promethelax wrote: You said it. But didn't bold it. I thought that might be your super gosh scum start with it. I would say grush is mod confirmed townie at this point, we should make him or WoS pardoner. Ironically.. this is the same quote for why I had doubts with WoS - care to respond pl0xPoint is.. as town.. prome believes in starsenses as a town tell (for early game)... and definitely does not infer STARSENSES is mod-confirmed town tell in any way, shape or form. This contrast in word choice, is too drastic for me to accept as a natural thought; it reads as specifically designed to let Grush fly under the radar. (thats it... his filter is barely readable blah blah etc) | ||
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(1) WoS I liked the case, dont despair because the feedback was low; you need to have confidence to just keep pushing it out there (2) Geript Reading that case wanted to make all the suckled milk in my head EXPLODE!! Its terribad. I won't lambaste you further, every man, cat and dog has been on you for that. The only point I will make is.. if this was Day1, you could have swapped VE for Dr.H and it would have read the same.... | ||
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On March 01 2013 08:16 geript wrote: So Moc. Where's your cases? Its night... why would i make a case.. im not scum | ||
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Or to borrow from when you play town On February 12 2013 01:11 geript wrote: 3. He has diarrhea of the keyboard Where 3 = you | ||
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On March 01 2013 08:35 geript wrote: It's ok Moc. One of these days I'll be Vig and shoot you because I can. Gotta roll town first, dear :p | ||
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On March 01 2013 08:39 geript wrote: My history of playing mafia is like 12-1 VT to mafia And... so what so your history is 12-1.. means fuck all for whether you are town this game You talked up ya game big time in NMM37, not seeing deliveries on any of the promises so far... | ||
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I am going to keep this short and sweet Below are very short notes on each player.. (Leave = Leave Alone; Yes = Put some time in) Feel free to interpret Yes as scum or null + Show Spoiler [Short Reads N1] + Toadesstern: Leave The early bus would only make sense if he ran for mayor. I think ppl are judging him on epeen ego bashing (due to wanting first rights cred) too much. Grush57: Yes Already outlined in my filter why I dont like prome "mod confirming" him. Vivax: Leave Alone Im liking him more and more. Did a good pick up on Toad regarding mayor run. He lasted LXIII as scum with no one suspecting him (even in obs); so will scrutinise him more and more as end game approaches The Milkman: Leave Alone Glurio: Leave Alone I made a soft meta read on him in my filter. I stand by that TestSubject893: Leave Alone His Day1 posts are limited but I liked them.. the low activity is worrying; I would like him to step it up Day2 jcarlsoniv: Yes The Macho Man: Yes I know I said null earlier, and still think that NOW... but.. Day2 this guy HAS to step up, pls pressure him; playing two games at once, we have a decent chance to make him slip if scum Chaos Bear: N/A randombum: Leave Alone I gave reasons before (weak as though).. doesnt seem to be on anyone radar; I would prob start prioritizing his filter after Night 2, for now, content to leave him be WaveofShadow: Leave Alone I have one outstanding question i need him to address (wrote it in italics) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=399294¤tpage=103#2054 VayestMoru: Leave Alone When this guy was around Day1, I shared the same reads as him... want to see more from him of course; but is just not on my active to do list for Day2 VE: Leave Alone His VCA post had some really good insight. Seriously.. i had to re-write my response 2 or 3 times, because I was starting to unravel the implications he made... i really doubt scum would be putting that type of effort to figure out the game (as the contribution was not required at that point in time) MilkSucker: Leave Alone Town, cept all that suckled milk is starting to explode from 110 pages of thread Wade Fell: Leave Alone I would love him to contribute more; he didnt have to sacrifice his campaign in the last 30min.. he actually still had a chance. Not sure if scum would do that, I think his epeen came out enough to not suggest scum play if he did stick it the race ObviousOne: Yes Too much contrast in play from his last game... as an outted Sk, he was trying to help town more than in this game... I know the playing list is larger; but his willingness to post, implies he could contribute *IF* he wanted to Geript: Yes Complete different thought process from his last game (NMM37).. there he prided himself on critical thinking, sorting through the bullshit, and standing up and telling it how it is. What I have seen this game is a guy trying to find others mistakes and just hounding them relentlessly even though the question has been answered (reminds me of Djodref scum play lol)... His tunneling is not really developing reads either because hes so confrontational about it. If I had the means, i would take him out tonight. DoctorHelvetica: Leave Alone If this guy survives night 1... I would pay very careful attention to who he is scum hunting Day 1 JungleJorge: Yes Im still not buying the prome interactions/defense... I have to double check filter but I believe in Day1 he said it was a trap. and night 1 he said it was a genuine defense... Hassybaby: Yes Already gave reasons in filter Restraining Order: Yes Has this guy done anything? One of my higher priority targets to follow up on Chezinu: Yes He was lurky as scum in Mafia LIX (but at least had two ppl mason him as an excuse)... i dont really see one this game.. I would seriously consider just shooting him, so I dont have to be stuck with whether he is town or scum (even one of his posts suggests a game where town talk about that lol) layabout: Yes I cant remember his filter in detail, other than he nit picked at Wade Fell early game on something taken comlpetely out of context. Cant tell if self-centric townie pissed at being ignored or lurking scum. Will prob give him a decent once over if around. aquanim: Leave Alone ================== From the ppl with a yes; my priorities for Day2 would be: jcarlsoniv, ObviousOne, Geript, JungleJorge, Hassybaby; maybe Restraining Order | ||
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On March 01 2013 08:58 VayeshMoru wrote: Also Aquanim had one of the most fucked up posts i've ever seen for his "death" post. Why include reads on people you aren't sure about. Put down the ones you think are scum and why. Null tells are fucking useless. Guess that includes me | ||
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On March 01 2013 09:02 Vivax wrote: I got roleblocked. Anyone else? Show me the breadcrumbs.... | ||
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On March 01 2013 09:14 jcarlsoniv wrote: Oh yeah, I always forget you can double stack kills. Getting in the car for realsies now Why do u feel the need to keep telling me u going to the car, or airport or whatever it has been.... Reads to me as over compensating. | ||
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I asked Geript about Dr.H halfway through Night 1... he responded by changing his pressure to VE (due to Day 1) if scum.. i see no reason for him to tunnel VE that hard.. ESPECIALLY if they knew he was gonna be NK'd Thought on that ppl? | ||
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On March 01 2013 10:00 Vivax wrote: I'm being told that I've been roleblocked and that's it. Can we lynch MilkMan pls? No I havnt seen anything to doubt my town read so far... | ||
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On March 01 2013 10:05 The Milkman wrote: Furthermore: Vivax attacks me on the basis of my day one play. He also claims to be a vigilante. His scum reads he has expressed throughout the day and night were me and glurio. He chose to shoot hassybaby. If he is so dead set on me being scum based on day one play, why he did not try to kill me? Easy. First, he is not a vigilante. Second, he is scum. No.. he clearly expressed disdain for hassy and called him scum (night 1) | ||
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just because prome wasnt his first choice.. doesnt make him scum he did the same thing as aqua when aqua voted for a prome lynch (said he still wanted OO disected) | ||
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On March 01 2013 10:15 The Milkman wrote: He slipped himself that he considered it more of a safe shot. Where... On March 01 2013 09:18 The Milkman wrote: Hassy was safer target? What? How can a vigilante think about someone as "safer" target?! You kill the guy because HE IS SUSPICIOUS. If you thought there is a scum medic and he'd protect glurio... well... Then you have failed miserably. Of ALL the people mafia would roleblock Vivax? Really? Sorry, but many people called for vig shots, so your "breadcrumbs" are moot in this case. It was you that said it was safe.. using your logic.. YOU scum slipped ##Vote: Vivax | ||
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On March 01 2013 10:16 randombum wrote: So I'm looking to sheep somebody to victory here, my original case against OO is weakened greatly by his new play since his posting has clearly improved since I pointed it out. Suckler asked me to look at jcarl recently and I did and posted what I thought was suspicious and I still do. Furthermore his few posts after have not helped him very much. I actually liked: + Show Spoiler + On March 01 2013 07:25 jcarlsoniv wrote: You guys ever have Jury Duty? Here's some advice: don't, it sucks. Been doing my best to stay updated. I'm noticing that geript, you're harping on DrH and VE and their possible motivations for wanting (or not wanting) to be elected into their respective roles. I'd like to point out that Wade Fell was trying INCREDIBLY hard at the end of D1 to get his name into that pool for one of the spots. Generally, keeping elections so close is an anti-town thing to do as it gives scum the leverage they need to get who they want into the right spot. Why are you not also pressuring Wade Fell along with VE and DrH, as he was also apparently motivated for the positions. It starts a with a crappy reason to lurk, but then he actually gets into analysis. That's redeeming, but then. + Show Spoiler + On March 01 2013 09:14 jcarlsoniv wrote: Oh yeah, I always forget you can double stack kills. Getting in the car for realsies now He ends on a reason to lurk. So for now my main lynch target is jcarl. I am not against him being on the table. Why do you say you will actively sheep, when you have clearly shown you can think for yourself? | ||
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On March 01 2013 10:18 Chezinu wrote: Now my only friend left is a bum...bummmer Got it.. you drenched him in alcohol Noted | ||
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On March 01 2013 10:20 The Milkman wrote: Here you go Milk. That was fail quoting by me.. sorry.. notice. i voted vivax.. because i was aware of what you just put above | ||
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On March 01 2013 10:18 Vivax wrote: Remember what DrH said about Prom's lynch being likely early bus play? A sudden 180 ° turn on Prom after a soft defence, and then talking more about others than Prom himself while calling him scum looks exactly like that. Not to mention how this guy just tried to attack my claim. I dont think it was early day one.. no1 has rided the town cred hard enough (not even Dr. H) I think it was an adapted bus situation... seriously.. if the case was just Dr.H.. prome prob woulda responded but with Dr.H/me/Wade.. bus time occured. (in my opinion) | ||
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On March 01 2013 10:25 geript wrote: Moc what you think of toad? Read my last will http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=399294¤tpage=110#2197 (im getting flood controlled every post.. this is so fuckn annoying) | ||
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On March 01 2013 10:24 Aquanim wrote: "Safe" shot might have been an unfortunate choice of words but I don't see how it makes Vivax scum. Hassybaby was a much better shot than Milkman or Glurio and I don't see what's wrong with Vivax making that choice. I dont see anything wrong with it either.. do you guys not read the thread Vivax accused Milkman of being scum saying "milkman called hassy safe" I showed, it was vivax who said it was safe.. hence.. using vivax logic.. vivax is scum Why are you and geript over reacting to this so much? | ||
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i didnt consider toad because he didnt ride that town cred to a mayor/pardoner thing and the town cred thing (whilst in my opinion far fetched) is easily explained by his ego The prom lack of attacking toad, applies to any of you, me, ve, wade ============ I dont have toad as a confirmed town .. or even close to it... but.. for my vote to go his way.. i need more specific things he has done this game that can't be explained by his town ego. | ||
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On March 01 2013 10:34 Aquanim wrote: 1) why are you using vivax logic when you clearly hold it in disdain? 2) why does being wrong about who said it was safe make vivax scum? I'm reacting to this because I think Vivax is town and your reasons for voting him are silly. The sooner silly things are dismissed the faster we can return to finding actual scum. Im going to go ad-hominem here you must be stuipd did you see a vote cast in the voting thread? if not. it doesnt count.. the vote was in jest stop over-reacting, and go back to your calm analytical play pl0x... im meant to the jump the gun guy. | ||
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On March 01 2013 10:36 geript wrote: Over reacting... Naw it's just bad. The real question is how has your game changed from last time. Because I don't notice a real difference and you were scum then so... LOL... so now you trying to twist the knife are you whats funny is.. i put out a point on why you could be town, and everyone ignored it. guess no1 really does think your town Geript.. most of the last wills suggest that too | ||
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On March 01 2013 10:37 DoctorHelvetica wrote: notice also toades is not willing to give me ve or layabout an ounce of credit for the lynch, calling us sheep and patting himself on the back (read his filter) then after the flip he gives us some credit, that's a bit odd also why would in his mind that confirm any of us? has he never heard of a bus before or is he trying to deliberately avoid that kind of thinking altogether That point I can work with and I do find curious | ||
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On March 01 2013 10:39 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I more or less agreed with this sentiment from the beginning of the game but it's actually quite curious. As town, if you're playing very well you're just as much of a target whether you're mayor or not. From a scum perspective, the extra attention from mayor is unhelpful and it might be hard to explain why you survive multiple nights as the mayor. The bodyguards mean no protection from night investigations or vigilante hits. This is a minor + for Toades leaning scum, but on its own it isn't enough to really classify him as scum. what better way to push his lynch and pardoner plan then to run for mayor anyway? nothings really adding up for me here This... i really agree with Shall we vote Toad? | ||
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On March 01 2013 10:43 Chezinu wrote: WHY YOU NO TALKS TO ME MR MILKMAN!!! Are you givin them bottles to that Milk Suckler! Where's my mooney!!! you scarez that I knows who you be? Y u think he is the mutant? | ||
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On March 01 2013 10:55 Vivax wrote: ? 1. If that's your reason for voting me then you just lost all credibility. 2. It's not true. On March 01 2013 10:45 MilkSuckler wrote: Im going to go ad-hominem here you must be stuipd did you see a vote cast in the voting thread? if not. it doesnt count.. the vote was in jest stop over-reacting, and go back to your calm analytical play pl0x... im meant to the jump the gun guy. Satisfied | ||
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On March 01 2013 10:55 Chezinu wrote: ooc: your totally missing it... unless you are who I say he is... bartender mutant same thing (3rd party) yeah. so why u think milkman is the bartender? | ||
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On March 01 2013 11:00 Vivax wrote: Do you mean you just called me scum for shits and giggles? Chez, do you have any proper reads besides some blabbering about third party paranoia? Not exactly.. it was to highlight YOUR fallacy | ||
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On March 01 2013 11:02 MilkSuckler wrote: Not exactly.. it was to highlight YOUR fallacy I actually like your build up to shooting glurio or hassy; so I can consider the RB genuine.. im just surprised scum picked up on dem crumbs enough to produce the RB could just be your completely unpredictable and usually roll blue anyways - thats the simpler option | ||
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On March 01 2013 11:04 Chezinu wrote: Dude, I'm a sheriff. I can't just go on and revealing my investigations publicly... except for those that are erroneously solved. Sheriff: As the Sheriff of this fine(ish) city, you spend each and every day keeping the peace and making sure nothing gets too out of hand. You may inspect a player each night and determine if they are Innocent or Guilty. So where does bartender fit into this? | ||
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On March 01 2013 11:07 Chezinu wrote: PSH.. that's no sheriff! Real sheriff got... welll... I cannot say atm.. I will just say that that sounds more like a weak detective. Well if you the "sheriff" who can check bartenders.. I am happy to go all Warren G on u | ||
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On March 01 2013 11:12 Chezinu wrote: You should have seen me when I rolled a bank.. oh and I wasn't making money... I was literally the bank! Chez.. if you were forced to nominate 1 of the 3 players for mayoral lynch.. who would you pick Geript... Jungle Jorge...MilkSuckler | ||
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On March 01 2013 11:16 Chezinu wrote: ITS A TRAP!! Remain calm.... Please sir, put down the weapon! Good.. my answer is + Show Spoiler + That milk suckler Now I can really go Warren G on ya ass KK.. lets do it properly Jungle Jorge... Toadesstern... Milkman which 1 for instant lynch | ||
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On March 01 2013 11:17 randombum wrote: I got 6. So glurio. Overall I like his posting. Something I noticed was he seems be to paying attention and caring. He mentions that quote he dislikes about OO, and remembers it later and still dis-likes it. The only thing I have agaisnt him is that he seemed to tunnel pretty hard on vivax, and then his last post is he now likes the effort vivax puts in. That was pretty short and easy to do so I'll do another one before I go play more dota. Cool.. that aligns with my thoughts. What do you do if you RNG yaself -_- lol | ||
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On March 01 2013 11:21 Chezinu wrote: OK, you good guy! As of now, I never really liked that Toad guy. He always put the wrong guys in jail. I was expecting you to choose the bartender. The exam has progressed from multiple choice to short answer. Q - 10 points Please outline in dot points why Toad is selected over Milkman ---------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------- (10) | ||
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On March 01 2013 11:24 Vivax wrote: Mocsta what's making you so sure that milkman is town? You're shrugging off whatever points I brought against him with little reasoning, and he was dead set on making my claim look bad. I also don't see whatever fallacy you just mentioned about me. My points against him are clear, although I left a few out:
Just wanted to say, I liked the way you presented ya thoughts with this post.. was clear to read (I would prefer if you kept producing content that way) Look, you're right, I am just saying he is town.. Let me read his filter and confirm where I stand with milkman.. THEN I will comment to whether I agree with your case or not. | ||
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On March 01 2013 11:28 geript wrote: Sure. I think he's playing the same game. What'd you think of my points on toad? Lol please dot point 3 things that are similar | ||
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On March 01 2013 11:25 WaveofShadow wrote: So...nobody has had a look at MilkSuckler/Mocsta in a little while, and as much as I'd like to, people tend to ignore my shit. Vivax, Geript, Aquanim and DrH. Any thoughts regarding him at all before I dive in at some point in the near future? Is there something in particular u want to address to me? If you feel confident I am scum.. why do you need bandwagon support? You had no problem stepping up to ask for the pardoner role.. why should this be any different? | ||
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On March 01 2013 11:29 randombum wrote: Alright 22, Restraining order, Overall, another really short one, but the conclusion is different though. I don't like his posting. Mostly lurkerish and minimal analysis (focused on JJ). His tone also really bugs me like: I hate comments like that which really shouldn't be a part of team liquid. His most redeeming post is: Which is basically a scum list with no justification. In other words, it's pretty pointless/bad. And that's his most redeeming. So he's super suspicious to me. Not quite as strong as jcarl because jcarls filter just as shitty, but as I posted earlier jcarl backtracked his reads with almost no explanation which to me is worse than lurking. Randombum.. thanks for going through the filters. you have identified two people you are suspicious of. What do you intend to do with them? | ||
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Yeah cos you cant.. spewing bullshit again just like you did with VE keep it up Geript Let me remind you of this.... On February 20 2013 12:27 geript wrote: Because you played like an asshole the whole game. I have no problems with people being wrong, that happens. I can deal with pushing bad reads. But I stand behind everything I said about you two creating a negative town atmosphere; at least Mocsta had a reason to be harming atmosphere. I think part of the reason for no consolidation was the fact that no one wanted to deal with the bullshit you'd give them. I think I even stated in game, there's a difference between being aggressive (which can be good) and being an asshole (which is always worthless). Letting off the gas can be as effective in reading people as putting it on. Why you being the "worthless" asshole right now? | ||
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On March 01 2013 11:40 Chezinu wrote: So, how did I score on the test? 0 failed to submit | ||
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On March 01 2013 11:42 Chezinu wrote: I said that I am the sheriff! THe sheriff with the gun! Not some weak detective! ##shoot The Milkman Its not bolded... | ||
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On March 01 2013 11:49 MilkSuckler wrote: Day2 ##Vote: Toadesstern Geript.. stop being an asshole http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=399294¤tpage=119#2367 | ||
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On March 01 2013 11:53 Chezinu wrote: Just so you guys know, I didn't do it for the cheznos. I just wanted to save town from burning. Lets wait for the flip.. like u said u pm grey? | ||
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On March 01 2013 11:56 geript wrote: Chez I would've hearted you more if you had shot the suckling. u realise your spammy quips is a complete deviation from your town meta.... and your current play is aligned with everything you said you openly detest as town. | ||
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On March 01 2013 12:01 WaveofShadow wrote: The chaos.....THE CHAOS So....is there gonna be a flip or can we get back to productive discussion? On March 01 2013 11:32 MilkSuckler wrote: Is there something in particular u want to address to me? If you feel confident I am scum.. why do you need bandwagon support? You had no problem stepping up to ask for the pardoner role.. why should this be any different? @wos | ||
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And your point being? Im stating fact here.. you clearly said in your forthcoming games you were going to take a rational, well-reasoned approach and when town is focused on the bullshit, steer it back to the right direction with original content. I barely see any of that... I have only two reasons why I think you could be town (1) You havnt given up on your pardoner fixation - but this is a weak tell as scum can do this (just it doesnt happen often) (2) I dont see why you would tunnel VE, to then NK him - this is relatively strong But if you were town, this puts you firmly in bad townie territory, there is no escape from this. You need to shape up and stop being a smart-arse, because point (2) is quickly being thrown out the window and thats your saving grace with me currently. | ||
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On March 01 2013 12:19 geript wrote: Fine then, what's your thoughts in my quote Re toad. I see no reason to bring it up as town considering his response to WF Geript Who are you addressing | ||
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On March 01 2013 10:46 geript wrote: Brought it up at night. Anyone have a reason why he'd agree with BH/WF that it was too hard to pull off and have found that answer in the pre game but still decided to bring it up? Firstly On March 01 2013 11:49 MilkSuckler wrote: Day2 ##Vote: Toadesstern So I am already slightly biased. As for my opinion. I had a good think about this actually.. because.. NMM37 i got slammed for RNG talk, but still raised it in-game. Yes i was scum.. but i had every intention to continue RNG discussion regardless of alignment - it was an ego challenge. Now I know Toad likes to wave the epeen out as much as BH.. but.. i dont see what forum cred you gain for pushing out a rejected pardoner plan (vs getting traction on something stupid like RNG) Really.. the only reason I think someone would push a pre-game plan that failed .. in-game.. is perhaps because he was testing how stupid the smurfs were? =============== In short, though your point raises sound concerns, it is not a nail in the coffin, rather it is icing on the cake. + Show Spoiler [MS Suggestions] + Take this however you want.. but I notice this game you have a tendency to focus on 1 specific action. This is akin to my tunneling of Aquanim Night 1. Townies can make poor choices, and with your methodology, that one mistake can be what sets you onto them. I am suggesting it is important to take their whole filter into context.. what is the overall agenda they have been trying to push. Thats my 2c | ||
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On March 01 2013 12:23 geript wrote: Also, what are your thoughts re: the other 4 who followed me in trying to get Prom as pardoner. Im about to head out.. can you help me out and list who the 4 ppl are.. or give me the page #s in the thread I think it was around p80 when the bullshit started. | ||
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On March 01 2013 12:37 grush57 wrote: ##Shoot: Chezinu ##Vote: Toadesstern These 2 are scum... This 4 real.... | ||
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On March 01 2013 12:41 grush57 wrote: Hmm, the mafia vig actually has to kill 24 hr prior so Chez is town. what.. the rule is you can fire within the first 24hrs of a 48hr cycle.. thats it. first with shoot, is teh first that fires. are you a fuckn dayvig (town or scum) or you just bullshitting cos this wait is annoying.. i was about to head out. | ||
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On March 01 2013 12:43 Chezinu wrote: You and wade ordered the day vig to shoot me. The majority of town voted for you two. I had flashback of getting shot by motbob day one. I shot milkman because thats who I was currently hunting and he never responded to me. You were accusing him of being the bartender i awnt to know why.... | ||
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On March 01 2013 12:45 WaveofShadow wrote: I hate my brain. + Show Spoiler + Oh god what if we have 2 dayvigs or if some retarded reason Chez is town and DrH just baited the mafia dayvig into shooting.....aaaaaaghWIFOMMMMMMM excellent observatoin I am really surprised Dr.h was on the ball to try and clear Chezinu asap... was very well executed & clear visioned im also surprsied Dr.H didnt post that reasoning before the kill went up....as it was generic and could have been issued at any point. | ||
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On March 01 2013 12:52 geript wrote: Promethelax (5): geript, TestSubject893, Toadesstern, Vivax, Layabout I wasn't arguing for town cred from the Prom pardoner push. My argument is that VE was in the lead (and VE ie honey badger does what he wants) wouldn't scum want to force Prome's bussing? Interesting that Toad shows up here too hunh? I presume this is for me umm.. why is it interesting toad is here?.. even if prome was pardoner.. ve woulda lynched him.. making the play useless? (now that ve has been cleared as town) Was that the list of ppl u wanted me to review regarding pardoner vote swap? | ||
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On March 01 2013 13:06 geript wrote: @Moc & Doc. What you think of my last post? To be honest.. im waiting to leave.. so not paying attention to anything enough to comment.. just want to see a flip and then fuck off | ||
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On March 01 2013 14:34 TestSubject893 wrote: Ok, so I rewrote this post like 5 times and changed my mind back and forth, and at the end of it all I ended up not coming up with as great of thoughts as I had originally thought I had when it was all coming togther. I'll start with the basics I suppose. I agree with DrH on Toad. He's the top of the list for me. From there I feel like one of either Aqua or OO is scum. I was gonna write up some reasons on why its OO, but when I was doing that I kind of talked myself into thinking that its Aqua. After that grush is looking suspicious to me, but he's in that category of players where everyone talks about their crazy meta and how it needs to be taken into account and I'm not currently taking it into account, so take that for what its worth. The bulk of my thoughts were gonna be about how when I read Chez asking the questions about the 3rd parties and claiming he didn't know how to add, I thought for sure he was a 3rd party just putting on a show. Because immediately after that WF jumped on him as scum I thought that he has the same read as me and was mafia trying to get the 3rd party lynched. This all still added up even after Chez shot if he is town because mafia wouldn't know for sure he wasn't 3rd party in the time in between. When I was writing it all up I changed my mind on it. WF just isn't scummy looking enough to me outside of that, so I ended up scrapping it. It is something that really jumped out at me though, so if WF becomes the center of attention later, its something we could relook at. ... What are you trying to achieve with this.. you know, someone (I think it was aqua) called you scum. posts like that, are starting to make me think he was right is there proper analysis in this.. or even a conclusion? Waste of a read, as far as I am concerned.. (perhaps Im just pissed at waiting almost 2 hrs for this day vig claim) | ||
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On March 01 2013 14:41 The Macho Man wrote: well if this is true then im gonna guess it was fake. If that claim is fake.. i really think grush should have punishment.. this is bullshit.. its effectively killed off town discussion for god knows how long.. a warning at minimum if my voice means anything. | ||
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On March 01 2013 14:43 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I don't think a newbie scum would make that post. He would just have made his post on OO if it was indeed real, I'm sure it would be worked on and approved in the scum qt. WIFOM but that's my 2 cents. Its a waste of read regardless.. why even say you think Aqua/OO is scum.. if your not going to produce a single iota of evidence or reason. Its like he felt obliged to post, because he said he woudl share some thoughts. | ||
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On March 01 2013 14:44 TestSubject893 wrote: I promised to post some thoughts and this is the explanation of why I'm not doing that. Its not helpful, I agree. Its ok, we came to the same conclusion lol | ||
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On March 01 2013 15:14 The Milkman wrote: I am the Milkman. Good luck. My milk is delicious. GG.. i feel sorry for you haah prob was catching up on 20/30 pages of thread.. and then BAM.. crap i casnt reply to the new notes I just made | ||
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i seen enough on toad to go ahead with that lynch full steam | ||
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But in short I liked his approach, and have thought he was town for a while, as evidenced by my last will and comments prior. I never had a reason to read him in detail which was why I couldn't isolate my thoughts. If chez is town vig then I still have no reason to read his filter. ======= OO you are lucky I got a hard on for toad right now. Whilst again I appreciate u took the time to read the thread. That's a commitment all of us r stuck with. The 27 pages have been condensed down to what again is a big summary post with one or two quotes u think r `gems`. There is minimal -if any- analysis and again u come back with zero pressure. E.g. U accuse me of having a scum game like this, then call me town.. I know from the shadowing of be.. U are capable of detailed analysis but its not here. The zealous approach u take only looks clean for so long... | ||
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On March 01 2013 18:30 ObviousOne wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=399294¤tpage=128#2541. Firstly, much better post than your last one. I would still prefer more 'exploration'; and more of a conclusion - as this seems to be a feeler post. I find a couple things interesting here too: p50; layabout decides to support the prome lynch, and then leaves his options by throwing some town pointers on prome -> which is where the hassy reference ties in. On February 26 2013 11:53 Promethelax wrote: Hassy vanished. Scummy. On February 26 2013 11:55 Promethelax wrote: You k ow hassy at all? Would he vanish like that as town? If anything, this makes hassy more likely to be town (unfortunately) ... i.e. prome sniffed an easy target to push as scum. p53; Dunno if the stuff with BH is "not game relevant".... I have only seen selfish motivations for BH so far - not explicitly town motivations.. so i dont rule out him being a rouge scum (i.e. everyone gives him some hate for distancing).. I figured if he was scum it would be easier to ascertain later cycles, so left him be. As for the quote: how stupid is that (in my opinion).. chaos bear requires a replacement and has zero posts.. how do you do consider him? As for the lurker lynch comment, that could easily be him defending himself. So in short, its a complete fluff post... and the tie with hassy I take more as a pretend-to-contribute moment, than, trying to save scum buddy hassy. [ I admit this is biased by me saying hassy more likely to be town from p50] It actually also reads as if he has no qualms with a hassybaby shooting.... p115; Now this post rang massive alarm bells for me when I read it the first time. The defense is: hassy won pardoner before and didnt use it... how does any of that apply to this game? Translation: when hassy is town he *CAN* be trustworthy in instances. How does this go towards identifying *THIS GAME* that hassy is town... it dosent.. so why throw it in there? In short: I can not see a town motivation for unveiling this information. If layabout has a town read on hassy; there has been no progression in his filter to corroborate this. This is exacerbated by the chaos reference lurker lynch p53 reference, where he seems to have no issue with a hassy death => can not have a town read. As stated before: the post does nothing to devine the alignment of Hassy and also reads as a discredit on aquanim. So then.. why unveil this information? My gut says: he was aware of the game info (prob played in it) and took it as a cheap way to contribute and make it look like he is paying attention to the intricacies of the game. There is no town motivation for this.. I am happy to start/join a layabout lynch *IF* toad doesnt get traction. | ||
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I haven't forgotten about your request I will get onto it tomorrow, most likely in the afternoon (weekends are always busy for me) and tonight is no good for me either. Thanks for your patience. | ||
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On March 01 2013 14:56 TestSubject893 wrote: I was mostly focusing on this post by OO and the response from Aqua. I was thinking that OO is never really saying anything of relevance, but Aqua says this and it really strikes me as scummy: He thinks that posting cases is bad, but is relying on others posting cases. This post feels not productive either. Hopefully it answers your questions, but please ask away if you have more. TestSubject893 In regards to Aquanim...I dont see how that quote makes him scummy. It reads literal. Prome lynch was secure; so there is value to gain by introducing your secondary read. They know they won't get lynched and the case dies. So how can you still help town: if others are introducing cases.. are they doing it because they have a stronger read than prome; or because they are trying to derail the lynch... I believe this was the jist of aqua phrasing.. and I dont see scummy motivations from what you have proposed. ================ For me, you are in the same boat as OO. I know both of you guys are keen players, and capable of delving into things. I am still trying to figure out whether your posts are intentionally lacking content; or whether, you are getting lost in thread/player count. Right now, I am gravitating towards point 2 for both of you (OO really reads to me like an excited puppy lol). But if the content doesnt start improving, that heuristic is going to be thrown out the window pretty soon. *if you want clarification on why there is no content... you guys are taking shallow reads off quotes, as in.. your "analysis" is a word for word of the phrasing (e.g. he thinks that posting cases is bad).. its like your looking for scum slips instead of scum behaviour* | ||
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On March 01 2013 20:03 Toadesstern wrote: ##vote MachoMan see you in 48 hours. not Grush57 anymore dear :p | ||
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Check a post I made on p.128in reply to OO regarding layabout. Contains 1 reason to treat hassy as bad town instead.. Do u disagree with the heuristic? | ||
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(1) Im liking Geript MUCH MORE than WaveofShadows right now. (2) Dr.h is starting to look suspect to me, quite a few oddities in his accusations recently compared to D1 play... even simple things like not knowing the protecteron = jailkeeper is odd.. hes meant to be the guy that checks the facts before posting... this is quite a slip in D1 behavior C ya guys. | ||
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On March 02 2013 16:15 Wade Fell wrote: Mocsta is the terror that lurks in the darkness, the void between this world and the next, he who straddles the rift. With fear and darkness his creeps into the minds of the unwary, whispering seductive lies of villainy and heartlessness and turning peaceful men into creeping horrors [For Mr.CC] Care to Expound? [For Wade Fell] In one FELL swoop; you name: Chezinu, Geript, MilkSuckler as the scum team? lol I think this is just OMGUS for me having a bigger 8======D.. its ok, I forgive you Wade. | ||
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On March 02 2013 17:13 Wade Fell wrote: aquabro remember when you were doubting on the prom case, and i was chilltacular and explained it? I am a chilltacular dude I encourage dudes to chillax That explanation with Aquanim is the ONLY reason I think you're town... | ||
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Im swapping my vote to Chezinu .. for all the points already expressed. Im still confused by JJ role claim.. (before Toad died).. it gave scum two blues to NK? I just dont get it. Be back in a few hours | ||
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On March 01 2013 08:54 MilkSuckler wrote: MilkSuckler N1 Last Will Restraining Order: Yes Has this guy done anything? One of my higher priority targets to follow up on Restraining Order Your filter in summary
This is one of your last posts On February 27 2013 11:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Prom layabout jj geript testsubject vivax On February 27 2013 11:34 Restraining Order wrote: Yes Maybe Yes Yes No Yes Now that over 72hrs has passed, can you please update who your top 4 scum reads are. I presume prome is replaced by Chezinu. Hence, if JJ/Geript/Vivax are still the other 3, can you please provide some dot point reasoning on why. | ||
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On March 02 2013 19:31 randombum wrote: Chez is looking very scummy looking at this point. Although the set-up speculation is giving me doubts. Still, I would be happy to see him lynched. vote chez RandomBum On March 01 2013 13:46 randombum wrote: Going to wait on the aftermath of the day vig before really committing to anything though. ?Chezinu? What happened to Jcarlsoniv? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=399294¤tpage=120#2388 | ||
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On March 02 2013 19:25 MilkSuckler wrote: Im still confused by JJ role claim.. (before Toad died).. it gave scum two blues to NK? I just dont get it. On March 02 2013 23:58 layabout wrote: milk i am fairly sure the point of it was that dr.h was saying that Toad/vivax was a confirmed liar/scum based on them both being roleblocked. @Layabout Yeah, but Dr.H was spewing false information at the time.. My point is: *IF* JJ was town and RB'd Toad.. why admit to it? Lets say, the claim saved Toad from lynch.. then with 2 Mafia KP, we lose JJ & Toad during the night. The outcome of saving Toad becomes pointless. Now JJ talks up his game as if he is ?Syllogism? so I expect with his pedigree, to be fully aware of the risk outcome. Fuck, he could even be day-vigged for that. So I am left with why make the post in the first place? ================ personality i wrote geript off as newbie town day1 when he decided his main goal was to stop Dr.h being pardoner but not mayor. I know what you mean. His continual tenacity makes me want to write him off as town.. But.. he just has this habit of releasing emotionally charged grenades at his "scum targets".My main issue with Geript is I played with him last game (as scum).. and felt the need to shoot him Night 1. That game, he was logical, and clearly cut through the bullshit I was weaving. He was also aggressive without being obnoxious. This game, there is a clear contrast in play: and if he was confirmed town, I dont see scum shooting him any time soon. | ||
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On March 01 2013 12:52 geript wrote: Promethelax (5): geript, TestSubject893, Toadesstern, Vivax, Layabout I wasn't arguing for town cred from the Prom pardoner push. My argument is that VE was in the lead (and VE ie honey badger does what he wants) wouldn't scum want to force Prome's bussing? Interesting that Toad shows up here too hunh? KK. Long delayed but a pr0m153 is a promise. My short reads on the ppl vote swapping end of D1 cycle. Geript: Probably Scum... On March 03 2013 00:14 MilkSuckler wrote: His continual tenacity makes me want to write him off as town.. But.. he just has this habit of releasing emotionally charged grenades at his "scum targets". My main issue with Geript is I played with him last game (as scum).. and felt the need to shoot him Night 1. That game, he was logical, and clearly cut through the bullshit I was weaving. He was also aggressive without being obnoxious. This game, there is a clear contrast in play: and if he was confirmed town, I dont see scum shooting him any time soon. TestSubject893: Probably Town... from early game is suspicious of pardoner role with a genuine conviction. Late Day1 play follows that.. i also really liked his transparency of thought regarding his when he made his promise of reads (that I called him out on). Vivax: Learning Town...I am not used to playing with a non-crazy Vivax. He has really toned it down, which makes me inherently suspicious. If I judge purely off how he has pushed his reads, I am inclined to lean town. Regardless of the outcome of Milkman, I was pretty impressed how he went about pushing that read/case. The effort to go in and re-communicate that case in different format.. i just dont see scum making that effort. Layabout: Leaning Town...Was one of the few with clairvoyance during the vote craze of D1 end; and trying to ensure prome didnt get pardoner. His targets for pressure have aligned somewhat with mine. | ||
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On March 03 2013 00:55 DoctorHelvetica wrote: lol it's just so different i mean i'd really rather lynch geript I am happy to lynch Chezinu/Geript over consecutive cycles, as the cases are not associations. The reason I would lynch Geript > Chezinu, is because: Chezinu already used his day-vig shot. Geript, no idea what role he possesses. Thoughts? | ||
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On March 03 2013 00:55 DoctorHelvetica wrote: lol it's just so different i mean i'd really rather lynch geript I am happy to lynch Chezinu/Geript over consecutive cycles, as the cases are not associations. The reason I would lynch Geript > Chezinu, is because: Chezinu already used his day-vig shot. Geript, no idea what role he possesses. @ALL Thoughts? - Vote exodus to Geript? | ||
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On March 03 2013 01:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote: by the way if the mad hatter had bombs on chezinu and geript id consider lynching the mad hatter or testsubject/geript just blow this game up and let's see what we have on day 3 The flavour says, hatter/engineer can only lay 1 bomb per night.. so if you do that, u kill 1 guy for 1 return. also.. On March 03 2013 01:56 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Who was it that said JJ was scum for claiming Jailer? That person is likely scum and should get shot. That is absolute retardation JJ is confirmed town the only scenario in which JJ could be lying is one in which JJ and Vivax are both scum if I'm actually thinking clearly right now On March 02 2013 07:20 Wade Fell wrote: It's a meaningless claim. The only thing it does is make him look scummier I believe it was Wade Fell. i still dont get why it makes him confirmed town (as per here) | ||
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On March 03 2013 02:03 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Well thats interesting that you profess this reasoning.I actually wondered about that bit too, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and let him clarify before I call it a scumslip. And you because you were there with geript pushing doubt and nothing else on Day 1 Prom Lynch and you're playing very scared and hesitant. Problem with mafia game is differentiating new and scared town from mafia can be pretty hard so I'd hope you start putting some pep in your step and show some initiative here. TestSubject is one of my stronger town reads.. if we look @ your point about doubt.. the way TestSubject has gone about has been transparent and relatively paranoid. - i.e. townie Geript has spewed false logic, and is actively trying to create doubt and chaos. i.e. scummie | ||
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On March 03 2013 02:07 geript wrote: Hmmm That does look like a complete slip. Only people who have to defend their reads are town. I'm fingering 2 people WoS and Dr. Hmmmmmmm. LOL.. i didnt treat it as a scum slip.. perhaps I am unique Nice DE-LURK i treated it as in.. your pushing WoS hard. and he was basically saying.. im town, your gonna look like an idiot post-game | ||
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On March 03 2013 02:08 DoctorHelvetica wrote: so jj being scum depends on vivax lying about the roleblock if jj is scum roleblocker who rb'd toades then the town rb who jailed vivax would still counterclaim so i dont think jj is lying Yeah but using that logic, town day-vig woulda come out I find it odd though that scum vig & scum day-vig would choose to expose themselves. | ||
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On March 03 2013 02:12 TestSubject893 wrote: and its been made clear that when my input isn't helpful, its in the town's best interest for me to keep my mouth shut. Sorry if I made you feel this way.. its just.. theres a difference between saying "hey guys, what do you think of these points" & "hey.. i filter dived.. made a case and came up with no conclusion" what I am trying to say is.. if you filter dived, and ended up null... surely there must be some sort of question you can ask that will make you swing red or green.. ask it.. that is a useful contribution (in my opinion) | ||
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For all doubters of Geript http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=399294¤tpage=143#2858 This perfectly timed de-lurk is about as good a scum claim as promes "c-ya l8a" post. Vote Geript | ||
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On March 03 2013 02:15 jcarlsoniv wrote: I'm still vehemently against a Chez lynch. I'm the only one who has defended against it, and I'm sticking to my guns. I don't think he will flip red. Lets chat about this a bit more Jcarl. I noticed in your filter the prime reason for defending Chez, is you can't see reason for him to have fired (primarily because you dont think he would have been scared of Wade Fells case/push to rush the shot) This is all WIFOM though? And in my opinion the (valid) case on Chez was before the shot was fired anyways, the case is built on meta, and activity in game. You seem to agree: On March 01 2013 11:45 jcarlsoniv wrote: @Wade Fell: Your case is reasonable. However, it is still early in the day, and I want to hear from JJ. Do you believe the day-vig shot WIFOM is strong enough to throw the original meta case/argument out the window? | ||
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On March 03 2013 02:33 geript wrote: Who hasn't he had pegged as scummy at one point or another. LOl Nice De-lurk #2.. ties in with On March 03 2013 00:14 MilkSuckler wrote: [Geript] he just has this habit of releasing emotionally charged grenades at his "scum targets". | ||
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On March 03 2013 02:38 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Being wrong isn't scummy, pressuring someone you later decide is town isn't scummy it's all about how you do it and what your intentions are if you pressured someone, they explained themselves well and knocked down your points against them and you still kept calling them scum, that would be scummy. it's ok to change your mind. Yeppo +1 I had a massive town read on Dr.H all game.. but when he does stuff I dont like, I still ask him for reasoning behind those actions. Anyways, night guys, 6HRS to deadline.. VOTE GERIPT | ||
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He used a specific phrase from your filter iirc Prob did it co u was the only one defending him, mason could have made sense Either way.. Me off for the next 8hrs WoS I will answer your question in more detail when I get back. If u need it. Let me know. In short my meta isn't similar at all. Notice as scum I wait for people to fuck up and then pounce over them This game I am actively trying to converse with others to figure them out, and then pounce if I don't like what I see. E.g. me and aqua night 1 Also, I been pressuring geript since day 1..he is now a good scum read of urs...why would I be bussing him so early if I was scum. | ||
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On March 03 2013 09:07 geript wrote: Well I think that I don't need to check this thread anymore. On March 03 2013 03:50 geript wrote: It is safe to assume, you are referencing yourself here.Because some people are more focused on jerking each other off and picking on newbies than anything else. I can't wait until I get to be a vig, I'm only going to shoot out of spite. NMM37: On February 12 2013 07:12 geript wrote: I think your assumptions are bad Cora. The assumptions I'm seeing in your post are: 1. Geript is familiar with TLmafia board play 2. Geript is familiar with TLmafia newbie players 3. Geript follows usual TLmafia board play While I have read a few games here and skimmed others, where I am used to playing openings are different and people are more liberal with their use of votes (in general) but especially so in early game Here you demonstrate whilst your play may not be A-Grade.. you are far from a virgin-eyed newbie. Quit with the self-deprecating bullshit. | ||
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On March 03 2013 09:46 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Ur basically guaranteed hit or rbd though Hatter just throw bombs down and lets lynch him tomorrow well we know a vig is in the game (vivax) dunno why u so sure a hatter is in? | ||
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On March 03 2013 09:52 geript wrote: A few points before I intentionally go quiet until whenever it is I end up dead. I'm going to recommend not killing me, it's a waste of town KP; and scum may intentionally heal me to counteract it. You can roleblock me if you want, but I'd rather you protect someone else. If I find anything productive to say then I'll post it then. Odds are though that I'm just going to stay out of discussion entirely as I think that's likely the most productive thing I can do at this point. Explain to me how mafia would heal you? Yeah keep flying under that radar baby... (like chezinu and prome did once outed) | ||
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On March 03 2013 10:08 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh sorry to ignore your post Mocsta. I've been meaning to get to you since yesterday but your filter is always so goddamn wtfhuge. Let's see how tonight goes down first, and if it so happens we're short on scum targets tomorrow it may be worth giving it a go. (This doesn't mean I think you're scum specifically, it just means I have to give your filter a dive 'cause I see a pattern. You're null for me right now.) If your null on me whatevz, but can you at least do the courtesy and tell me what you dont like in my play. All game, you have tried to sow doubt on me, by asking the opinion of others.. Theres a reason no-one has obliged. If its purely, you think I am playing a similar game as scum; fine, that is your choice. But you have shown no mentality that is common between the games other than statement of opinion. | ||
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On March 03 2013 10:22 jcarlsoniv wrote: I strongly urge you to reconsider sending your little minions after me. Me dying would be a poor fate indeed. Well, how do you think you are perceived.. now that your best bud Chez was split red? (this is written antagonistically intentionally) | ||
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On March 03 2013 10:19 Oatsmaster wrote: Chaos Bear, the Settler, has been modkilled for not posting since the start of the game. | ||
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On March 03 2013 10:32 WaveofShadow wrote: You're right, which is why I suggest dropping it for now. You're on my radar after the rest of this shit goes down, that's all. (Another major reason why I don't want to go through the gargantuan effort of sifting through your filter is because chances are my case will go ignored anyway. I'm not sure if it's Geript's 'newbie factor' or if people think what I post is genuinely not worth addressing or what.) I read what you write.. I choose not to reply because: (1) A lot of the time, your comments are directed clearly to one person (2) A lot of the time, your comments are verbose +1's (3) A lot of the time, when you doing original content, I don't agree with it (e.g. me = scum) Now.. in regards to (3).. you have to ask yourself (a) Am I just on the wrong track and being stupid OR (b) Are they misunderstanding my case, because I am not communicating effectively Thats my 2c, but from what I have read from vet-to-vet convo.. most ignore posts from people they think are stupid; or not discussing their prime scum candidates. (i.e. they have more tunneled focus) | ||
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On March 03 2013 13:58 grush57 wrote: Surely atleast some scum tried to switch to Geript. I doubt scum would get in the position for both candidates to be scum. Agreed (somewhat) geript (6): DoctorHelvetica, geript, Chezinu, jcarlsoniv, MilkSuckler, glurio, What do you think about JCarlsoniv grush57? On March 03 2013 13:58 grush57 wrote: Tho if geript is scum then we got this in the bag. y? | ||
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On March 03 2013 14:21 Aquanim wrote: You agree that the candidates are probably not both scum but you think Geript is scum? What gives? I asid, agreed (somehwat).. + I misread what he said, i thought he meant some candidates on GERIPT are scum (not that Geript and chezinu) are scum. So whats your latest, I haven't heard from you in a long time. | ||
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On March 03 2013 14:19 jcarlsoniv wrote: Why do you have glurio town? I haven't really seen anything that gave me the townie vibe. Meta read from seeing him progress through the newbies. I made some very short points in my filter before. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=399294¤tpage=101#2009 | ||
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On March 03 2013 14:25 grush57 wrote: Idk this is kinda just rambling but yea I think jcarl is a good vig/lynch target for tomorrow. Grush57 So... if Vivax is the town vig. Do you prefer jcarl or hassybaby or (someone else) as the prime vig target? | ||
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On March 03 2013 14:41 Aquanim wrote: Not nearly as convinced on Geript scum as many people seem to be. Besides that, unless you have specific questions I'd prefer to wait for the daypost. Aquanim Fair enough; but Geript might be worth having light discourse over. What do you think is not sticking so far? I dont need to you to defend his town-hood, just, obviously some points that have been raised I assume you beleive are easily explainable by town motives? | ||
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On March 03 2013 14:53 Aquanim wrote: Doing stupid stuff, OMGUS, making bad cases and being paranoid about vets aren't scum tells. My impressions of the cases on Geript are that they make him bad, not scum. Also he was the counterwagon to Chezinu. Counterwagon.. i been on geript since Day1? i suggest you read NMM37 .. his filter is about 2 pages long (its 4 pages, but some is post-game and pre-game comments) There is no similarity behind the two... | ||
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On March 03 2013 17:51 Mocsta wrote: Im not home. Will flesh this out for u day3. Frankly i cant see how u see similarities in play. But will deal with yhis day3 assuming i am around On March 03 2013 17:56 Mocsta wrote: Whats BPD? Also how do u come to the conclusion of what OO scum game is based on 3rd party play¿ Why do u think OO as VT would act all withdrawn. Have u read his thoughts in the shadow player thread? He gets genuine enjoyment trying to figure out scum team. On March 03 2013 18:36 Mocsta wrote: Geript No need to get so rude. Its just a game will consolidate posts on mocsta when i get home On March 03 2013 19:45 Mocsta wrote: Interesting. A few.think aqua is.scum. Can u pls provide some.reasons why? I will say i expected more.from.him this game On March 03 2013 20:49 Mocsta wrote: Aqua... Why r u so certain geript will be safe. And why do u think he may be a viable nk target | ||
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Not sure if I will wake up in time for deadline, and its way too early for a last will. All I will say is: (1) I am willing to give Geript a fair hearing Day 3; he seems to be speaking more coherently recently. I would prefer if he expanded his reasoning on his identified scum reads, as opposed to town reads however. (2) I called out Restraining Order prior: Still waiting for something... maybe lurky town/maybe lurky scum, won't know till he speaks more. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=399294¤tpage=142#2837 (3) Macho Man promised he would step up the activity (now he is out of the duel mafia game).. im still waiting for the fruits of that action. Night. | ||
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On March 04 2013 07:53 Vivax wrote: Post em or I'll paint the floor with your brains. Assuming you are RB'd | ||
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On March 04 2013 07:18 Vivax wrote: Hi peeps I'm back home. Baby, I haven't heard your voice in so long, I forgot what that sweet serenade sounded like. Who are your reads? I am guessing 2min before deadline, the vig target will be unveiled | ||
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On March 04 2013 08:17 Vivax wrote: Helvetica, Wade and you are obvious scum by now. Scumgame of your life but I uncovered your nasty plans. Must be if you're putting me in the same zone as two vets. Thnx Vivax. | ||
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On March 04 2013 08:25 Vivax wrote: I've changed my mind actually, I won't shoot the Macho Man for not posting. What will you shoot him for then? lol | ||
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On March 04 2013 08:31 Vivax wrote: Dunno I'm still busy spinning the roulette. I will make up a reason after the shot. Any objections? I dont have an objection as per: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=399294¤tpage=156#3108 U reckon Jcarl is worth a shot? | ||
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On March 04 2013 08:58 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I'm on lunch now. How exactly are me or bh obvious scum? I hope you're not going to say anything about my activity level. Im disapointed im not considered as [u]not[/]Obivous scum wahhhhhh | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=399294¤tpage=142#2839 Dont think he would "bus" him like that, when I put RO under some pressure *unless, JK says he RB'd macho.. then sure.. go ahead and lynch him* | ||
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aqua wants to lynch JJ i presume? and several want to lynch aqua? The only defense I have seen aqua make on Geript is that: Geript could be bad town?? It actually provided zero analysis on why Geript is bad town, other than pull a quote or two from like ?Night1? - Pretty weak overall (I thought the little birdy reference mighta been a mason chat log or something) Thoughts people? Should Aqua or JJ, take precedent over Geript? | ||
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On March 04 2013 09:10 JungleJorge wrote: Vivax I assume you are claiming the RO kill? I jailed layabout. I wasn't roleblocked. Some fishy stuff happened here, or scum team is retarded and an amazing chain of coincidences just happened. OK So (1) Layabout = scum? Can you please give some reason why you jailed him; most thought he was pro-town? (2) Scum hit SK With BP (3) Scum withheld shot Unlikely | ||
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On March 04 2013 09:13 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Lynch aqua jj is more or less confirmed town Yeah, I can support an aqua vote He has feigned interest by questioning each lynch, and then being "swayed" onto the lynch. Its a nice approach; but ultimately, his reads contributed have been terrible. I expect much more from a town aquanim. | ||
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On March 04 2013 09:13 MilkSuckler wrote: OK So (1) Layabout = scum? Can you please give some reason why you jailed him; most thought he was pro-town? (2) Scum hit SK With BP (3) Scum withheld shot Unlikely LOL.. what if scum shot layabout SK and JJ jailed layabout, preventing Sk from firing | ||
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On March 04 2013 09:23 JungleJorge wrote: Sigh, if only that was true I could be spared of reading geript's filter. Here I go I guess. It is essential to compare to his town game NMM37 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=395714&user=298120¤tpage=All starts from /confirm | ||
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On March 04 2013 10:12 Aquanim wrote: I was roleblocked. I have no idea why you think this, uncounterclaimed JK is essentially confirmed town he may be bad but that's an argument for another day. Your last will post the last comments were regarding JJ being bad http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=399294¤tpage=158#3158 and thinking Geript is town.. its natural to make the connection, you are replacing Geript with JJ as scum read. | ||
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On March 04 2013 10:12 Aquanim wrote: I was roleblocked. So Vivax CLEARLY says a good 15min before deadline, he will shoot Restraining Order (now confirmed scum) and they decide to RB you > Vivax.... something not adding up here | ||
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Care to share me some pointers on what makes hima scummier individual than someone like Geript? I have seen townies ragequit, and typically they actually just leave and stop posting. Geript is still coming in with pot shot remarks.. obviously hoping the sob story is buying him time... (scummy behaviour if you ask me) | ||
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On March 04 2013 11:06 JungleJorge wrote: Okay. Another theory: Vivax is sk. He shot RO and mafia shot him, believing he was vig. Fark... thats intriguing actually. But and instead of shooting town to even the #'s.. he shot mafia to gain town cred to fulfil the vig claim. INTERESTING... i am comfortable lynchign Vivax just to put this to bed.. as if he is vig.. he is now just a VT, and we have numbers advantage to take a loss if he is mislynched. | ||
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On March 04 2013 11:14 layabout wrote: I suppose that could be the case but it doesn't explain why they would roleblock aqua over vivax, since if they thought he was a vig they should roleblock him to stop the shot or (you)jj since jj might stop their shot going through. The chance that aqua is scum is too high to ignore. nah.. why roleblock vivax.. when you shoot him i assume mafia KP >> Vig shot (so its RB + death) that leaves them to RB someone else.. why Aqua, no idea | ||
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to confirm.. you didnt receive RB notification? the assumption is: JJ sent purely to Greymist? | ||
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On March 04 2013 11:17 layabout wrote: Milk roleblocking aquaman does not make any sense for scum. The most likely scenario is that mafia messed up and didn't send in actions and I see.. i have done that as scum before.. and interesting enough, he was starting to get some heat I do see credence in a play akin to this. Do you actually find scummy things in his filter though? | ||
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On February 28 2013 01:16 Hassybaby wrote: .... This is hassybaby last post several cycles ago. Will he be modkilled? | ||
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so the two for today that are front runners are: Geript and Aquanim now.. aquanim is against Geript, and surely wouldnt vote himself. So i suspect it is up to Aqua to convince us of an alternative. If he backflips and supports a Geript lynch, I am all for then lynching Aquanim. | ||
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On March 04 2013 12:26 geript wrote: I think the real question is why are WF or DrH still alive? Yes a valid qusetion but too much WIFOM Night 1 I can understand BC, maybe VE (that one im still struggling with, unless VE last post regarding ppl voting him.. he was onto the scum majorly) As for Night 2.. we already covered the WIFOM, of whether the actions were even sent to Oatsmaster etc etc | ||
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On March 04 2013 12:31 geript wrote: Nope still a fair question. You guys should lynch any of the that are alive tomorrow. They're very clearly who scum should've been targeting and haven't. That makes them anti town. Why can't scum have created this WIFOM situation?? Yes, I would have thought Dr.H is a key person to shoot, or WF; but as before, there is too much ambiguity surrounding whether actions were successfully submitted. I am not willing to lynch someone off a hunch like that. If you could provide behavioral reasons for why Dr.H/WF is scum, sure, I will read openly and provide constructive criticism. Until that moment is reached.. this reads as a diversion ploy and conspiracy theory (akin to your entire Day1 Filter)... i really hoped we moved beyond this point. | ||
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On March 04 2013 12:38 geript wrote: LYNCH THEM WITH FIRE Seriously dude.. im actually trying to treat you as if you were town, and engaging you in developing thought process.. and you respond with the above? Your not helping your cause at all... Considering Aquanim is a candidate some want to lynch, I would have expected you to join the bandwagon and prove why he is scum.. that you haven't.. im considering Both you and Aquanim are the remaining two... | ||
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On March 04 2013 12:43 geript wrote: Am I the only one who hasn't moved past my day 1 filter? On March 04 2013 00:12 MilkSuckler wrote: Night guys. ... (1) I am willing to give Geript a fair hearing Day 3; he seems to be speaking more coherently recently. I would prefer if he expanded his reasoning on his identified scum reads, as opposed to town reads however. Yeah, must just be you.. | ||
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On March 04 2013 12:58 geript wrote: [/u]Hmmm then you must be the only one. Let me ask you a simple question then, you are the unmistakeable obvious lynch target for the following day. You get asked to formulate your ideas and shit instead of clogging up the thread. You've been seemingly wrong all game and say that there's no real reason to do that one way or another. You get told its important because of some BS about how they'll be important once I become confirmed towny. Despite the fact that we pretty much all know that no ones going to be reading my filter regardless. So you stay up after working all day until 2am and start retreading the thread starting with your own filter. You read an post your thoughts until 6 am then sleep off and on because you were up so late and don't have any time to study before you go into work. You see the asshole who said "It's important a" say "J/K peeps, I just did it so that they'd think to not attack me." Tell me how you'd feel? Also, tell me the actual reasoning behind intentionally playing with the emotions of someone who's already emotionally charged? Do you really think that's pro-town behavior? So I repeat: [b]LYNCH THEM WITH FIRE I dont follow.. most ppl playing this game work full-time or study full-time; many ppl posting game stay up to the hours you are discussing. Why is it a unique circumstance for you? Heck The lynch deadline for me is 8am... so yeah, I am up very often at 5 or 6am JUST to post. Commenting about these things is irrevelant, because out of 25 players, everyone is exposed to the same situation. Your problems in RL are no greater than everyone elses (its all relative to the individual). Fact ism several requests have been made to mend your play; you have consistently taken none on board, and continue to do things your own way. | ||
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On March 04 2013 13:00 geript wrote: So the whole "Go be helpful" into "J/K he's totally scum!!!" is a legitimate attempt to bring out the good in me? Nah dude that's total bullshit and you know it. Stop giving a fuck about Wade Fell... and start giving a fuck about the conversation I am having with you. I asked a few things b4 WF came back.. and u havnt addressed them yet. I am not emotionally baiting you with anything today. | ||
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On March 04 2013 13:21 Wade Fell wrote: Like how serious are you dude, the fact that you think i'm personally not likeable should not be the basis for a case against me. That fact that I have a scumread on you (as do most people in this game) should also not be the basis for a case against me. Are you just super mad I've found you out and shitting up the thread in a hissyfit? You should be better than that, geript. Let the guy speak pl0x | ||
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On March 04 2013 13:18 geript wrote: As far as I'm concerned getting you lynched is the #1 best use of my time. Barring that I have very little interest in this game. Can you please outline in dot points, 3 behavioral reasons you think WF is scum. That should be a simple start. | ||
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On March 04 2013 13:32 geript wrote: 1. Never seen BH do a 1, 2 punch in games with worse players 2. Seen BH toy with people's emotions before (myself included) to get them fuck shit up in the thread 3. No reason townie reason to play nice then take the hard lynch him with fire approach OK... #1, #2 are meta based: I am not familiar with his meta enough to use this. I also don't want to read 5 of his games, to ascertain whether the point is correct or incorrect. Quotes usually help here. This point is essentially conjecture. #3 not sure I agree. Plenty of people change tact. For example, my interactions with Aquanim Night 1. I engaged civil discourse with him, and once he elucidated upon a matter I interpreted as a major scum tell; the lynch with fire approach came out. ================= I don't see how the 3 points you have raised above indicate a mindset indicative of only scum? I noticed in your filter, you seem quite knowledgeable in regards to the human psyche (due to job profession). Can you please identify 3 behaviors in BH play, that can only be explained by the inherent guilt existent in scum? | ||
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On March 04 2013 13:29 Wade Fell wrote: Fair enough. you interact with him for a bit, i'll be back. Wade pls, step down again for a bit. Your not helping. | ||
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On March 04 2013 13:40 randombum wrote: Also, anybody want to discuss somebody not geript? Like jcarl, let's lynch that guy. What do you think of Chezinu referencing jcarl in the fake logs? I say fake logs because Chezinu didnt even bother to put time stamps? The reference to jcarl was due to inserting a specific quote from his filter. | ||
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On March 04 2013 13:43 Wade Fell wrote: I doubt geript knows my IRL, but if he can tell me something only someone who knows me IRL would say, I'll believe at least that. Lemme guess U loss ya left nut in a bmx accident trying to ride over barbed wire? Since then.. you constantly trying to keep up testosterone levels.. hence the name 'blazing hand" | ||
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On March 04 2013 13:55 Wade Fell wrote: I had to defend my honor as an englishman and a scholar! *Gasp* Johnny... is that you? Yes.. I am Johnny your left nut you left to rot on that barbed wire... the worst part was the morning when the crows came by Yeah I know you had to defend urself, but look, you scared him off.. I was finally getting somewhere | ||
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On March 04 2013 13:58 geript wrote: You sure my half brother from a different mother. Answer me straight up, Can you read my mind? You and WF keep trolling is doing nothing to convince others of your innocence.. except apparently Aquanim (who jsut might be in knowledge others do not possess) Please reply to the below... On March 04 2013 13:47 MilkSuckler wrote: OK... #1, #2 are meta based: I am not familiar with his meta enough to use this. I also don't want to read 5 of his games, to ascertain whether the point is correct or incorrect. Quotes usually help here. This point is essentially conjecture. #3 not sure I agree. Plenty of people change tact. For example, my interactions with Aquanim Night 1. I engaged civil discourse with him, and once he elucidated upon a matter I interpreted as a major scum tell; the lynch with fire approach came out. ================= I don't see how the 3 points you have raised above indicate a mindset indicative of only scum? I noticed in your filter, you seem quite knowledgeable in regards to the human psyche (due to job profession). Can you please identify 3 behaviors in BH play, that can only be explained by the inherent guilt existent in scum? | ||
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I know the answer SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SHIT I WAS FOUND OUT DAY 1 FROM MY FIRST POST SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SHIT I WAS FOUND OUT DAY 1 FROM MY FIRST POST SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SHIT I WAS FOUND OUT DAY 1 FROM MY FIRST POST SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SHIT I WAS FOUND OUT DAY 1 FROM MY FIRST POST SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SHIT I WAS FOUND OUT DAY 1 FROM MY FIRST POST SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SHIT I WAS FOUND OUT DAY 1 FROM MY FIRST POST SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SHIT I WAS FOUND OUT DAY 1 FROM MY FIRST POST SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SHIT I WAS FOUND OUT DAY 1 FROM MY FIRST POST SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SHIT I WAS FOUND OUT DAY 1 FROM MY FIRST POST | ||
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On March 04 2013 13:59 WaveofShadow wrote: I can't believe how ridiculous this thread has gotten, and I can't believe we're all still listening to Geript, who has now claimed he knows someone IRL (or from another forum mafia?) just from reading his posts. I agree with randombum. (Except for today's lynch, I can honestly say now I don't even care if Geript is scum or not anymore. He is destroying the thread.) Just so you dont feel ignored +1 Who do you want to discuss (Aside from jcarl) | ||
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On March 04 2013 14:08 WaveofShadow wrote: See that's my problem. If I believe that Geript and jcarl are the last two scum left (and I do) what does that leave? Attempting to find 3rd party? K.. so for you, Geript is sealed.. fine. jcarl, want to provide some pointers of behavior that makes him scum (and NOT bad townie)? You seem to know him personally, so I am all ears if you can identify behavior. (dot points for now is sufficient, doesnt need to be a case) | ||
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On March 04 2013 14:10 geript wrote: If I'm right about both those accounts, then I know that you play elsewhere and have never beaten me in said card game. He'd also be lying. If I'm wrong on any account there, then I've got the wrong person. Right.. so your entire defense is WIFOM on whether you can recognise someone from RL based on a game you played with someone online for the first time. Pls concede so we dont have to wait the full 48hrs.... | ||
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On March 04 2013 14:16 geript wrote: Not a RL game. And I need him to answer the question. I already gave you the answer. He can read your mind.. so can i. Exhibit: On March 04 2013 14:01 MilkSuckler wrote: SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SHIT I WAS FOUND OUT DAY 1 FROM MY FIRST POST SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SHIT I WAS FOUND OUT DAY 1 FROM MY FIRST POST SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SHIT I WAS FOUND OUT DAY 1 FROM MY FIRST POST SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SHIT I WAS FOUND OUT DAY 1 FROM MY FIRST POST SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SHIT I WAS FOUND OUT DAY 1 FROM MY FIRST POST SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SHIT I WAS FOUND OUT DAY 1 FROM MY FIRST POST SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SHIT I WAS FOUND OUT DAY 1 FROM MY FIRST POST SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SHIT I WAS FOUND OUT DAY 1 FROM MY FIRST POST SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SHIT I WAS FOUND OUT DAY 1 FROM MY FIRST POST | ||
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On March 04 2013 14:19 WaveofShadow wrote: The Chez defense is obvious scumtell, but maybe too much so. He didn't even bother really explaining himself. It's this lurking, uncaring and chaotic playstyle that makes me think he is either a member of a scumteam that doesn't give a shit (which seems to be pretty likely right about now). To play Devils Advocate: Chezinu was under heat, shot the gun, and then came under MUCH scrutiny. Why would a hypothetical jcarl risk his neck by opposing the crowd and saying.. hey.. lets save Chezinu (he was all but dead?) | ||
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On March 04 2013 14:26 WaveofShadow wrote: Which is why that point is what makes me think he could be 3rd party; the fact that he legit didn't KNOW what Chez was going to flip and he took a gamble, hoping a green flip after a strong defense would clear his name to lurk for the rest of the game. Fair point On March 03 2013 13:04 jcarlsoniv wrote: While I'm sad that my read on Chez was wrong, I'm more than happy that we've gotten 2 scum in a row by D2 - something I'm He didnt actually answer my question.. I can live with Geript and jcarlsoniv. Until someone shows me more reasoning into why Aquanim is scum over bored/bad townie, I will treat jcarl > aqua | ||
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On March 04 2013 15:01 geript wrote: Moc you still around? Depends | ||
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On March 04 2013 15:14 geript wrote: Look I'm going to post what I've been working on WoS on tues. I won't have time to pull it all together before then. I also don't think that there's any way to get my neck off the block. But just do me a favor and take a good look at him. Dude's not town. I know that you don't really trust me right now, but at least take a look at it afterwards. Ps. This one doesn't count. yeah ok.. i can look into WoS and will judge the info fairly | ||
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On March 04 2013 18:46 Aquanim wrote: Association, Association, Association.Well there's only two scum left and unless randombum and jcarlsoniv are the last two scum I don't see why scum randombum wouldn't attack a suspicious-looking jcarlsoniv. After all, randombum has to do something... | ||
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On March 04 2013 19:44 Aquanim wrote: I also can't picture scum geript being, well, angry for this long. He reads as being really tilted to me, and IMO scum would be more resigned given how the game's gone so far. Also, scum's first instinct is to survive and OMGUSing Wade at this point was basically suicide. This..... I can agree completely Geript reads like this. I have seen scum chuck the shits like this too though... e.g. Normal Mini Mafia 4 - JX So yes, I agree on the frustration read; however, I disagree it is indicative of PURELY town frustration. | ||
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The constant mentor / student association happening here reads with some conviction. Wade Considering Geript refuses to vote for Aquanim (even when Aquanim is under heat) & Aquanim has required coaching (from you ) to agree on each lynch... What are your current thoughts on a Aquanim as the next Day lynch? | ||
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On March 04 2013 20:46 Aquanim wrote: Certainly didn't read that way to me.Assuming randombum is town simply because he's attacking the scummy-looking jcarlsoniv is indeed a pointless association case and that was was in fact the point of my post. Sounded like you said: it is a reasonable course of action. | ||
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On March 04 2013 20:48 Wade Fell wrote: Are u serious? Do u want me to do a Toad?If I had an apple for every time someone drew associative tells between unflipped players, and an orange for every time this associative tell was worthless because said players were in fact not flipped, I'd have a fair number of apples and almost as many oranges. Rather more on topic, I've done a pretty stunning takedown of Geript's N2/D3 play earlier on this page. What are your thoughts, MS? [Toad mode On] I been on Geript since his first post.. when I shot his mayor plan down.. I have been calling him scum since Day1. I am also the one that has been pushing his meta case SINCE day 1. So yeah.. my thoughts are no different Wade... he is scum. [Toad mode Off] Yeah i agree. I been reading the frustration play, and was concerned he stuck to his guns so hard that he could be town.. but.. after the olive branch I extended today, he decided to push away and piss all over. Can only be scum. Even OO who got pissed off with me pretty badly, had contributed more since. | ||
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On March 04 2013 20:56 Wade Fell wrote: Regardless, I will not be drawing associative tells between unflipped players. No no.. i understand that.. im just highlighting prematurely I find Aquanim play severely underwhelming (him self-admitting that, doesnt make him town). Im leaning towards intentional uselessness... the coaching tactic is pretty clever though and next time I roll scum might give it a shot.. It displays interest in the lynch; and also allows the coach to get an ego boost (which always helps with giving town reads) Overall, I like the strat | ||
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On March 04 2013 20:57 Wade Fell wrote: Just making sure. It certainly wouldn't do for a mafia player to cry their way out of the noose. Yes.. but it is a tried and true method. | ||
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On March 04 2013 20:56 Wade Fell wrote: When Geript flips scum, my suspicion of Aquanim shoots up greatly. It has been noted that on the toad lynch my efforts to convince him were not in fact very convincing to others-- though I certainly found them convincing. His odd words about lynching for information during D2 are also troubling, as well as his slowness to vote Chez (though he did verbally commit to such a vote early in the day). I have a couple other candidates on my radar as well, as much as they can *be* on a radar-- hassybaby and ObviousOne With hassybaby.. surely.. he is getting modkilled.. no activity is like 5 days OO, yeah I find the timing of his de-lurk very odd.. i didnt want to comment because I didnt want to interupt the conversation between OO/Aqua... but I found it *VERY* suspicious Sounds like you have no qualms with jcarlsoniv? | ||
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On March 04 2013 21:02 Wade Fell wrote: This might be the only time anyone has suggested that I am too friendly, and this may be a scumtell. That went over my head. is this aquanim? | ||
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On March 04 2013 21:09 Wade Fell wrote: zZz pro filter time Uou mention in this post (link) that giving and recieving coaching is a good scum strat for appearing productive, and would allow a coach (in this case, me), to give out townreads (to aquanim) easily with an ego boost if we were scumbuddies. Typically, I have a highly abrasive style of play and people criticize me for being too brash (as a scumtell) rather than too nurturing (as a scumtell). I was pleasantly surprised to read this. Fair enough.. I assume your saying Aquanim treating you as a coach is the scum tell In the case that you are indeed referencing me.. I am the one that has been having digs at you all game for the e-peen contest. Either way... I just wish these cycles were shorter, its now not even a case of having good reads.. town has the numbers advantage (Especially with max. 1 KP from scum (maybe 2Kp for one night if JOAT is around)).. we can just lynch systematically to the win. In fact, scum really should just concede if they used the JOAT night 1 .,. cos no chance bartender can douse everyone left to a win. | ||
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On March 04 2013 22:12 geript wrote: Well you're at least right about me having no tools. Hmmmm, we'll see about how much I've been feigning if I ever become a vig. No, my lynch became unavoidable halfway through D2 at the latest. No, at D3 I realized who you are(or who I think you are). Well you're partially right I have stopped trying. So since you're so interested in me doing something productive, I'm not going to. I'm not interested in doing anything that could possibly help someone who is intentionally making a case for a retributive lynch. Quite frankly, the fact that you're making the case should help me when I say: LYNCH THIS MOTHERFUCKER WITH FIRE!!!!! Im getting tired of this Seriously.. PM the mother fucker and ask if he is "xxxx" .. This side-story is total bullshit to read and is almost worthy of a warning for playing against your win-con (whether town or scum) | ||
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On March 04 2013 22:39 Wade Fell wrote: True true.. apologies for lapse of thought.I'd actually recommend against PMing me, and if you do so I will probably ignore it while we're still in this game. PMs no good. in any case I assume that this, like many other things geript has said, is a fabrication | ||
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Let us rejoice. Geript. Plenty of town rage quit. The problem in my opinion is that u came back after a short period of time. However. I am swapping my vote to aquanim. Geript frustration is reading with true conviction to me. I don't think it is of being a shit scum player...yes, I have been swayed by emotion. Have we all not been `lost` in previous games? I think geript play is a classic example of a guy underestimating the skill and reputation some players have and was on the back foot from his first post. As for aqua. His martyr request for the role block simply does not bode well for me. His constant requirement to be coached does not bode well for me. His lack of genuine scum reads does not bode well for me. Sticking with guys like OO or hassybaby isn't redefining scum hunting by any means. For all those fuckers that want to say I'm sticking up for a scum buddy. Go fuck your self and make a case on me, otherwise please read the above and determine whether your thoughts are that tunneled on geript to consider his emotional plea to be purely that of scum. | ||
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The thing is he has been consistent in this approach all game. Suggesting a player tilted from the when his mayor campaign was insta-rejected. If scum, I would expect even novice level to change gears and try to save themselves. Not geript. He still chooses to be a bulldozer with an undersized engine. I think that is much more synonymous with bad town play than shore scum play. Again look at aquanim and his approach to entering all lynches. This guy loves Beijing the critical thinker when town and putting down all others who are impulsive and obnoxious, if he thinks you`re not contributing... He tells y. There is none of that this game except for an rb which has no basis. Lynch aquanim | ||
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Your conversation with your top scum target WoS.. reads very forced. Frankly I don't care what you do in real life, and I judge you on your on-game ability, not your apparent skills from profession. Bring out your WoS case as promised, I will judge fairly; and will do my best to ensure it is fairly judged across the board. I expect a well-reasoned, rational case removed of fallacies, in particular emotion. That you are back to actively communicating (instead of yelling) suggests your mindset is capable of producing this quality, please deliver. | ||
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On March 05 2013 10:11 geript wrote: I'll do my best to have it done before clinical tomorrow morning. Dude.. Let me be clear. You're in the shit.. and there is 23hours to deadline. In order for you to have a chance at clearing your name; you require at least 6 hrs of discussion (to account for the timezone differences). Further, in order to clear AND find a sutiable alternative (not necessarily WoS) I think you need at least 12 hrs. Further, that you stated you had the goods ready to go, and are now asking for extensions... I CERTAINLY do not like. I am at work for ~7hrs. If I dont see a solid case on WoS by the time I get home today, my vote is going back on you. It is that simple. | ||
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On March 05 2013 10:55 The Macho Man wrote: i guess we should just wait howeer geript lasts posts seem to be testing the waters in whether he should bother in making a case or not. that is scummy to me. Agreed in full. hence the deadline. So after this flip TMM, whose your next target? | ||
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On March 05 2013 12:09 geript wrote: Moc I appreciate it but it clearly wasn't worth wasting my time. Its your call and most importantly YOUR time. One thing i Know is.. lynches are never certain till the deadline.. I have only played 7 games, but seen plenty of last minute vote swaps.. ESPECIALLY in situations like this, where it stays uncontested fro such a long time, the self-doubt comes out. You made your bed and now have to sleep in it. So see you in post-game. | ||
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The desire to keep responding, is actually more of a scum desperation plea; than a pissed off townie. Further; if you intend to play more games within this community, I suggest you re-read this game. I don't think Dr.H/BH have done anything wrong. The arguments you chose to engage them in were terribad:
Hence, its not the fault of any player who thought you were scum and chased you. If you want a similar example of scum using "your existing tactics" Try Normal Mini Mafia 4... Player: JX Read the last part of his filter before I nailed him (using the same methods as BH to you in this game). | ||
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On March 05 2013 12:47 geript wrote: No, let's just say that I've gone through the stages of denial at least a few times now and I've mostly reached acceptance. I'm talking because I'm bored at work and if anything this is a cathartic release right now. I don't fault them for thinking I'm scum; although I would figure that they were better. But when I play BSG the hardest people to read are the newer players because they don't understand how you think they should play. Again, you're trying to rationalize emotion. I mean the dislike of BH is likely more obvious; I fault him on some level for projecting onto me how he thinks a normal townie by his standards would play. Something similar to what I was likely doing earlier on with VE/Doc. I am just not that, not will I likely ever be. Please don't treat this as an attempt to delynch myself or try and read into this in any other specific way. I disagree, but its post-game talk. Will save it for then if you still around. | ||
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Congratulations on what I assume is to be your first post this game exceeding more than 2 lines Well done. | ||
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I really like the emoticon.Maybe I should retire Mocsta, and stick with this I.D.? Every time I roll town, I can copy Grush starsenses and go | ||
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On March 05 2013 13:58 WaveofShadow wrote: Wait now I'm confused. Do you hate me too? No, cos you get ignored Im SOSOSOSOSOSO bored | ||
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On March 05 2013 13:54 The Macho Man wrote: implying more than one or two lines is necessary. Coulda just said: "UR SCUM COS YOU DIDNT MAKE A CASE ON ME AS LYNCHBAIT" | ||
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On March 05 2013 14:02 geript wrote: No, implying that it's a super odd time for you to decide to get involved in discussion. Besides, everything I've written at this point has been ripped to shreds in one way or another. The only thing which anyone even liked was the fourth point re: VE which Doc liked and then dropped once VE made a simple bland response. Doc has essentially made it clear nothing I post is worthwhile. BH says he'll go back and read my thoughts, but considering how my thought process in my experience is rather unique I don't think it would help him at all. Other than just the sheer time commitment it takes me to write up cases (due to the long editing and confirmation process), it's just not worth putting the effort in to just have it rejected. Not to mention the fact that I'd rather not have to revert back to the first or second stage again So eh. That is your own introduced fallacy. A case is not meant to convince your target THEY are scum. A case is a campaign to get support to bandwagon. If you are simply discussing scum reads: dot points are more than sufficient. In fact, I am trying to move away from cases as much as I can these days. If you can convince ppl of from just from the dot points, then you are becoming a more effective communicator (in general) | ||
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On March 05 2013 14:39 geript wrote: Even if I did, the game would still go on regardless. You guys still have 2 to find plus the possible 3rd party. *buddying *+1 *desire to not be looked at *desire to appear engaged *desire to be noticed without discussed *never taking an actual hard stance *making a case but not pushing it whatsoever *displaced emotions *natural defensiveness without showing same/similiar responses to previous pressure (NMM36) There you go, enjoy. Now I concede and you still have 2 scum and a possible 3rd party to catch. Yes, I can agree with much of that. Its funny this whole VE/WoS/Geript menage trois. Apparently VE was speaking about you feeling scripted... but.. for me.. its WoS who was scripted. Specifically here: + Show Spoiler [WoS scripted] + On February 26 2013 10:41 WaveofShadow wrote: Ok I'm back. Just kidding about lurking, y'all! Appreciate your efforts to stimulate discussion, Aquanim. Let's see what my extremely extensive D1 filter has reeled in. Oh look, a wild Promethelax who drops a scumread on me along with this timeless wisdom: At which point VE can't even contribute because I apparently 'lurked hard' D1 in my NMM game (despite the fact that if he even took 5 seconds to look at my filter from that game I was one of the highest post counts that day, well above the real lurkers in that game). Real strong cases to go on D1 guys, bravo. /golfclap In other news, there are 5 people who have yet to post and 5 possible scum. COINCIDENCE? Your fate is sealed unfortunately, but I more than support WoS to be the next lynch. | ||
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On March 05 2013 15:17 WaveofShadow wrote: I am in no danger. You forgot to add (yet) at the end | ||
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On March 05 2013 15:30 WaveofShadow wrote: I LEARNED FROM LAST GAME BOYOS I AM FEARLESS IN THE FACE OF (weak) ADVERSITY Whatever If you need a recap Player X: I think WaveOfShadow is town but I will make a fake case against him to gauge reactions <Case Released> WaveOfShaows: umm thats a really good case, I dont have a defense other than I will try harder yeah.... fearless indeed lol But FEAR NOT, for when I start to shove my town foot up yo' ass, you will know it | ||
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On March 05 2013 15:40 Aquanim wrote: Is this one of those memetic virus thingamies? As soon as anything refers to randombum it becomes invisible and nobody notices it? I ignored it intentionally. I assume you wanted ppl other than myself/vets to comment. | ||
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On March 05 2013 15:44 WaveofShadow wrote: Yeah last time I sniveled away when under pressure because I had no idea what else to do. This time I'm not. BRING IT MOCSTA BRING IT HARRRRDDDDD Im not bringing anything cos you asked. I am waiting for a flip just like everyone else, and will see what that changes. As far as I am concerned, out of the remaining ?16 players, there prob 6-10 I couldnt give a shit to who gets lynched first. You're on the list. | ||
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[QUOTE]On March 05 2013 11:51 DoctorHelvetica wrote: an sk is unlikely[/QUOTE] ??? | ||
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On March 06 2013 00:35 layabout wrote: an sk is unlikely ??? | ||
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Please order these 3 in scumminess (scummiest first) randombum, layabout, ObviousOne Please order these 3 in scumminess (scummiest first) glurio, Grush57,Aquanim Please order these 3 in scumminess (scummiest first) TheMachoMan, Vivax, testSubject893 Please order these 3 in scumminess (scummiest first) Wade Fell, Dr.Helvetica, MilkSuckler WoS.. Please order these 3 in scumminess (scummiest first) randombum, layabout, ObviousOne Please order these 3 in scumminess (scummiest first) glurio, Grush57,Aquanim Please order these 3 in scumminess (scummiest first) TheMachoMan, Vivax, testSubject893 Please order these 3 in scumminess (scummiest first) Wade Fell, Dr.Helvetica, MilkSuckler, JungleJorge Jcarl & u is intentionally off the list. | ||
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EBWOP WoS.. Please order these 3 in scumminess (scummiest first) randombum, layabout, ObviousOne Please order these 3 in scumminess (scummiest first) glurio, Grush57,Aquanim Please order these 3 in scumminess (scummiest first) TheMachoMan, Vivax, testSubject893 Please order these 3 in scumminess (scummiest first) Wade Fell, Dr.Helvetica, MilkSuckler Jcarl & u is intentionally off the list. | ||
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On March 06 2013 09:16 jcarlsoniv wrote: I'm assuming there's a method to your grouping? Thats only for me to know. | ||
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On March 06 2013 09:38 WaveofShadow wrote: Lol Mocsta what the fuck? I thought you were massively misposting or something, you actually want me to do that? Alright give me a bit. And I'll say a few things before I start: I don't regret lynching Geript. For those (such as JJ) who think his lynch was a mistake, just look at his play. He made himself impossible to ignore, and impossible not to lynch. Remember his reads, his gameplay and remember what I'm saying now, and we'll see where D4 takes us. It shouldnt take long.. you should live reads on everyone.. im not asking for justification.. its order the ppl from the 4 groups | ||
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On March 06 2013 09:36 Aquanim wrote: 1) There are other reasons why scum KP might not have been effective. Town JOAT is probably most plausible. 2) If Vivax is SK it should be blindingly obvious tomorrow or the day after and we can vote him then. There's no point in lynching him before then. 3) Pretty sure Vivax is town, have been since before he claimed vigilante. Sorry, why is it more plausible for JOAT > SK (whether Vivax or not) | ||
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On March 06 2013 09:46 WaveofShadow wrote: [/b]If you want 12 reasons as to these twelve reads then gl, 'cause it'll be a while. I'm honestly not sure what you hope to gain from this besides some massively fucked up association case. You can implicate me for wanting Geript dead since D1 practically but I feel I was justified. Nothing complicated, I just wanted to know if we were on the same page. Or not.. its not associating or implicating anyone. Geript fucked himself up by not trying to take consistently take emotional stances. I am more disappointed we lost a perfect lynch record, than that we lynched Geript. | ||
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On March 06 2013 09:48 Aquanim wrote: Barring an extremely unlikely scenario, if there is an SK it must be Vivax and he must have really badly not thought through his vigilante claim. JOAT is not hugely likely but SK is even more unlikely and, I repeat, if Vivax is SK he MUST out himself by shooting every night and until then there is no point in worrying about it. If and when we conclude there is no SK, JOAT is the next reasonable hypothesis. KK.. in my opinion. no point talking about it till after the night cycle. See how many NKs there are, and take it from there. Thank God mutant MUST shoot, should make it easy to ascertain. | ||
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On March 06 2013 10:03 WaveofShadow wrote: My stance right now is since we (probably) don't have any vig bullets left we need to start eliminating the rest of the lurkers, or at the very least get them to speak the fuck up. It is way too easy for the final two (plus 3rd party?) to hide. Jcarlsoniv grush glurio randombum These are the worst 4 offenders imo. I include Glurio even though I believe him to be town based on meta. iamp and JJ are toeing the line right now; have contributed more lately and been slightly more useful, especially JJ. OO I consider to be lurking since he didn't do anything for almost 3 days. (Although his de-lurk was pretty decent.) That is 7 players here with not a great amount of activity this game.VERY easy for one or both scum to be hiding here since none of them (aside from iamp and maybe OO) have been under any amount of real pressure at all or done a great deal of contributing. I am inclined to agree. Though it would be AWESOME if Dr.H or WF was scum.. i find it unlikely given the general apathy of scum play so far.. suggest they were defeated from the start. I am inclined to consider one of the below three should be tomorrows lynch Randombum; Aquanim; TheMachoMan I liked randombum earlier, but, yes, recently he has been non-existent. Actually I would vote for him now if I could. | ||
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On March 06 2013 10:16 jcarlsoniv wrote: I'm curious. You say you agree, and yet you don't agree with WoS's opinion that I'm top scum. In fact, you even defended me during the day cycle. May I ask why you don't hate me like everyone else does? I already explained my thoughts on you before.. I dont see why a scum would hard defend a 100% dead Chezinu (and it was obvious there was no coming back from him).. Townies stick up for scum all the time; that doesn't make you scum. For me: You are in the bad townie category, and I have no interest in furthering your lynch. Having said that I wouldnt defend you either - that is your job; if someone is pushing for your lynch, my responsibility as a townie would be to find a better alternative. (See below) ============ As I stated prior, Randombum ticks all the boxes for scum play (including, the slowly decaying thread contributions to signify bored VT) TheMachoMan has not lived up to his promise of increasing post count (as this is now his sole game). His contributions are mainly +1 (e.g. He plus +1'd me on Restraining Order). I am satisfied with him as my 2nd lynch choice. | ||
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On March 06 2013 10:33 DoctorHelvetica wrote: If I survive to Day 4 it means one of two things. 2. Scum are intentionally avoiding shooting "big name vets" (I hate saying that) to mask that they are led by one. - This is a plan I've personally employed as scum, to intentionally hit lurkers/less experienced players to push suspicion onto different vets around Day 3-4. On March 06 2013 10:10 MilkSuckler wrote: Though it would be AWESOME if Dr.H or WF was scum.. i find it unlikely given the general apathy of scum play so far.. suggest they were defeated from the start. by awesome i mean. awesome scum play: I still think this outcome is unlikely; however if the next 2/3 lurker lynches don't produce fruits, whoever is left should DEFINITELY consider policy lynching either of you. | ||
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On March 06 2013 11:15 The Macho Man wrote: what do you think of glurio? (1) You are off my lynch list.. This was a really good contribution in my mind. (2) I support Glurio tomorrow > randombum I really like what you found, and it made me realise two things (that are in your content but not highlighted) (A) On March 02 2013 01:17 glurio wrote: I believe vivax is telling the truth with his roleblock and vig statement. Also i think chez is probably a misguided town-dayvig would scum be so bold and really just shoot someone who isn't a big scumread in the face like that? Now for those saying, Jcarlsoniv also thougth Chez was town day-vig.. check out the difference in approach On March 02 2013 03:20 jcarlsoniv wrote: If chez was scum, he knows milkman is town, and that shooting him would raise suspicion. Shooting first as a scum day vig is risky because of counter claiming (which no one did). jcarlsoniv actually presents uncertainty, and shows a mindset associated with trying to figure things out with the limited information we know. Glurio on the other hand, has come to a direct conclusion with no indication of insight... In fact he actually attempts to create a syllogism: Major Premise: Reference to Vivax being bold with his RB/Vig Statement Minor Premise: Reference to Chezinu being bold with his Day-Vig target. Conclusion: Chezinu probably be town. He adds further strength to this syllogism, but ending with the question "would scumbe so bold and really just shoot someone who isn't a big scumread in the face like that?" I find, it is scum who often answer questions, by throwing in a WIFOM question... Town take a stance (whether right or wrong, usually due to tunnelled thoughts).. So glurio approach here is indeed scummy. & (B) My read on Glurio was purely based on activity not content. In fairness, being a newbie, activity is probably not a fair indicator of alignment; as playstyles are still developing. So discarding that out the window, I see no positives for Glurio. P.S. On March 04 2013 08:45 glurio wrote: Iamperfection found this scummy because glurio is hiding behind the words of vayehs, and I agree with that.RO does look pretty scummy. But so does geript, and if we follow vayesh's reads (he was right with chez too) he should be lynched tomorrow imo. I find it even SCUMMIER, that he hides behind the words of BC to then: attempt to diffuse the RO lynch, by presenting Geript. Nice work TMM, I will be voting Glurio tomorrow. | ||
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On March 06 2013 11:30 jcarlsoniv wrote: I feel like there's one (if not both) in the following list: WoS, DrH, WF, randombum, Macho Man Need to relook though. Randombum + Glurio Glurio first. Randombum second. | ||
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On March 06 2013 13:43 WaveofShadow wrote: I'll tell you what. I'll do it if I know someone other than you is going to read it. Whats that meant to mean? I am not even asking you something to do... you suggested it upon yourself On March 06 2013 12:13 WaveofShadow wrote: Alright this makes me want to have another go at glurio's filter, though even if I find something that changes my mind from my earlier town stance I can't see myself wanting to lynch him ahead of the other 3 I mentioned. I remember feeling very strongly early that he was town; but I'll check to be sure. The filter is not exactly a big one to digest.... so stop being a bitch and complaining | ||
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On March 06 2013 12:13 WaveofShadow wrote: I may not be town in its entirety, but I am one of the few left who still give a shit. Ooooo Mocsta angwy. I'm serious though. Why should I keep feeding information that only you are going to use? Are you the town in its entirety? How are you going to be using the information I give you in the form of my read on Glurio? You're right I did suggest that I was going to do it; but I changed my mind. I don't find any compelling reason to do it right now. I'm not about to die anytime soon, after all. Mark my words... If I want you lynched tomorrow, you *WILL* be lynched tomorrow. You and I are the only two here that have played with Glurio prior, and coincidentally we both gave him a meta town read. I have reverted; and am curious whether you are going to stick to your guns. If that is too much effort for you, perhaps you should be lynched tomorrow so you can solely focus on your newbie game. | ||
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On March 06 2013 14:05 WaveofShadow wrote: Unless you're scum, of course, amirite?. :D Wow, im so scared because a lurker has made an accusation. You have zero town cred Wave, your more than welcome to try. Will at least cure this boredom. | ||
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On March 06 2013 14:11 WaveofShadow wrote: What? I'm not trying shit, you're the one who threatened me. I merely stated that lynching me would only bring you closer to accomplishing your win-con if you're scum, a 100% true statement. Nothing more, nothing less. :D Well I am disappointed because (1) Aquanim poised a valid question - which I doubt will return a mod-confirmed answer ... and you have spammed it away & (2) You're pro Glu-man, and anti jcarl In what I developed from macho man.. .i showed one example of a clear contrast between Glu/jcarl (which I think speaks town favourably for jcarl). Out of everyone, I expected you to be the most exuberant with this development. | ||
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On March 06 2013 14:23 WaveofShadow wrote: As to your second point...don't make me repeat myself. It's unseemly. Your a twat; that does not refute an iota of what I wrote prior. Or in short. You have investment in both players being contested; yet, now suddenly are too lazy to provide your own stance. And throughout this, you have the spirit of mind to imply: I exhibit mafia behavior. | ||
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On March 06 2013 14:08 Aquanim wrote: @Aquanim I am not sold on JOAT. If a JOAT medic save occured, the hit recipient + medic would be notified of save. I can understand the medic saying nothing (as 2 scum left)... but.. the hit recipient saying nothing is weird. I think much scenarios are; Withheld shot or Hit Mutant. Considering scum position, withheld shot makes no sense; I expect a mutant to be in the mix | ||
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EBWOP @Aquanim I am not sold on JOAT. If a JOAT medic save occured, the hit recipient + medic would be notified of save. I can understand the medic saying nothing (as 2 scum left)... but.. the hit recipient saying nothing is weird. I think much scenarios are; Withheld shot or Hit Mutant. Considering scum position, withheld shot makes no sense; I expect a mutant to be in the mix | ||
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On March 06 2013 14:35 WaveofShadow wrote: Are you frustrated that I implied you are scum for threatening to lynch me? Because I didn't imply anything, Right, so if I look at your filter and Ctrl+F (MS/Milk/Moc) I wont constantly find scum within the same sentence... Cos if that is what you are telling me, then you need to be lynched NOW for lying. And looky here, Soniv has come out to play. Here's some advice, if you're to accuse me of something, at least put in the barest amount of effort to back it up; don't rely on the work others have done. How about take your own advice | ||
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On March 06 2013 14:47 WaveofShadow wrote: Semantics, my dear. I didn't imply you were scum for threatening to lynch me. Never said anything about calling you scummy earlier in the thread. And you make a good point, you're just begging for me to make a case against you, aren't you? You are TANTALIZED by the prospect of it. I already said bring it on, im bored So yes, tantalized indeed biatche And stop bullshitting semantics... this game has many implications beyond semantics.. even newbies like you should understand the basics like that.. Heres 2 quotes for you On March 01 2013 11:25 WaveofShadow wrote: So...nobody has had a look at MilkSuckler/Mocsta in a little while, and as much as I'd like to, people tend to ignore my shit. ? On March 03 2013 10:32 WaveofShadow wrote: You're right, which is why I suggest dropping it for now. You're on my radar after the rest of this shit goes down, that's all. There are many more. P.S. Since when do you ask ppl to look into your town reads.. TWAT | ||
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On March 06 2013 14:49 DoctorHelvetica wrote: no one seemed to be really suspicious of WoS before but now that geript is flipped all of a sudden everyone is riding him? i'm gonna look into it but that seems really weird to me no1 seemed to care much about BC's reads when he died, or toadesstern, or ve, or anyone else Whose riding WoS? Are you even reading the thread anymore, or just pretending to contribute? | ||
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On March 06 2013 14:47 Aquanim wrote: Which is why I am very interested to hear exactly what happened to JJ's night action. Have u tried to PM? I would love the answer to, but I suspect we won't receive it. | ||
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On March 06 2013 14:58 WaveofShadow wrote: Think I'll just dangle you on the end of my hook for a little while longer. I'm surprised I'm getting such a rise out of you, honestly. Im fuckn bored thats the only reason why.. Im more shocked Dr.H thinks this is a serious conversation, and completely side stepped Glurio.. | ||
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So... this leads me to believe, the extra N1 KP was from a scum JOAT. => Vivax is town Vig (no reason for Vivax as scum to shoot RO.. he wasnt pressured hard on that path; and was still under suspicion afterwards) ===== Lead lynches for today (1) Glurio Already shown by Macho as scummy, and has yet to be refuted (even by Glurio) OR (2) Dr.Helvetica Policy lynch on vet; who has conveniently started to contribute less and less (e.g. his comments yesterday on WoS.. odd defense on him.. i wonder if WoS/Dr.H scum team make sense now) Thoughts peepz? | ||
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On March 07 2013 09:17 JungleJorge wrote: I was Rbed. That makes sense at least. Im thinking Aquanim was RB'd for this comment during N2 On March 03 2013 20:36 Aquanim wrote: <To Geript> If you survive the night I'll wager 5 internet points that you don't get lynched tomorrow. A little bird has whispered in my ear. | ||
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Hes now beyond bad townie, he is incessantly walking that fine line of trolling. How does that help town? Lynch the fucker. | ||
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I wonder what the benefit of that was for town? Wade wasnt under high suspicion then....Conveniently JJ hasnt been able to JK since Night 1 when he jailed Toad.... isnt it convenient that when Aquanim is RB'd ... JJ forgets to send in his action? I think we need to policy lynch JJ In fact, I am voting him now. ##Vote: JungleJorge | ||
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On March 07 2013 09:50 iamperfection wrote: should we policy lynch you for being stupid? how would it benefit him as scum? plus we should wait to see if there is another role block.... How would it benefit him? He successfully RB'd the medic Day1. I have already given a strong reason for why Aquanim may have been RB'd.. and this ties coincidently with JJ "not submitting his actions" How is this stupid?... that you immediately jump to his defense already speaks of why it can be considered a good scum play. | ||
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On March 07 2013 09:52 MilkSuckler wrote: How would it benefit him? He successfully RB'd the medic Day1. I have already given a strong reason for why Aquanim may have been RB'd.. and this ties coincidently with JJ "not submitting his actions" How is this stupid?... that you immediately jump to his defense already speaks of why it can be considered a good scum play. The only thing I can agree with you your comment.. is to wait and see if another RB.. considering we only have its what ~9pm for you guys, I hope to get RB feedback within the next 3 to 4 hrs. | ||
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On March 07 2013 09:56 layabout wrote: we lynch aqua today Wait... are you saying Glurio doesnt look And aqua.. refresh my memory.. do you have anything on him other than the RB.. cos if so.. i prefer JJ for all the reason i already said. | ||
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On March 07 2013 10:16 randombum wrote: Decided to start reading filters just based off the order list and composing my thoughts about each one as I go along. So start with grush. First thing that caught my attention: If we never figure out the odd night two I think grush deserves extra attention. The fact that he has "forgotten" to submit an action to both hosts before might be something he kept in mind. Sums up my opinion of grush. He plays around with starsense and then nothing else. Very empty filter. His only reads have been sure that toad is mafia. Very sure on geript being mafia, and then a one liner saying he doesn't like RO and Hassy. His most recent reads are aqua/jcarl. I won't fault him for who he has been targeting. Because I had suspicisions on toad, jcarl, RO and hassy, but its how he has done it. There's literally only one piece on analysis from him this whole game. and that's + Show Spoiler + On March 03 2013 14:25 grush57 wrote: 2 scum left baby! idk I just said something random man and jcarlsoniv.... Well he kind of defended for Chez like why would he shoot town when he could get counter claimed. Plus he shot milkman, which wasn't the strongest town leader this game. Basically he made some good arguments but Chez is scum But then there's also stuff about throwing suspicion on Toad and JJ, and while he also sais bad stuff about Chez he wants to lynch geript, but that was after Dr H. And then there's this which strikes me as a scum to scumbuddy post. Idk this is kinda just rambling but yea I think jcarl is a good vig/lynch target for tomorrow. And that's not even very in depth. I get the feeling that grush isn't even that convinced on jcarl from that post. It's like he's trying to say something, that he can point to be and "I knew he was scum" but not actually be the cause of his death. Does somebody see something I'm not seeing because this just screams mafia to me. Grush is known for being useless (e.g. Dr.H filter at the start talking about Grush) In 5 to 7 games with starsenses, it hasn't been wrong yet. I am not against policy lynchin Grush (as he is almost unreadable) BUT. would prefer to keep him to the end. Thats my 2c, others may beg to differ. | ||
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On March 07 2013 10:39 TestSubject893 wrote: He also claimed when it wasn't really helpful, but we didn't kill him for that either. JJ is confirmed town in my eyes; voting for him alone is enough for me to want to lynch you. Lead the lynch on me then.. might be the first proper stance you have taken all game IIRC. We didnt kill him when he claimed, because Chezinu came into the picture... I already stated before it made no sense to claim.. because if he saved Toad (before modkill came into the picture).. he was outting himself as JK, and toad already outted himself as medic. Again... JJ early claim.. his defense on prome... his convenient fail to submit RB - when Aqua is RB'd (when suggesting he has powers).. and now his claim to having been RB'd The story doesnt add up... and I see no reason why he confirmed town? ======= The only thing that makes sense is if someone else steps up and says they were RB'd.. then I would suggest policy lynching that person to ascertain if lying (if spilt red.. Then JJ is red .. and if spilt green.. JJ is confirmed) | ||
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On March 07 2013 10:55 TestSubject893 wrote: If JJ is scum, that means either Vivax is also scum or there are 2 scum RBs (because of the RB claims from N1). I see those 2 situations as unlikely enough that, for now anyway, JJ is confirmed town to me. Since you think JJ is scum, which one of those 2 things do you believe to be true, Mocsta? I forgot about Vivax RB claim.. kk.. thanks for reminding me, so yes that blows that out of the water then Apparently Vivax has shot mafia before to establish town cred, but, again, he coulda easily shot Geript/hassybaby or any other lurker. I dont think there was a requirement for him to shoot RO (i.e. NK bus) So based on that, Vivax/JJ cleared then. hmmmm, unless someone shows specifically why aqua is scum, I wont vote to lynch off just the RB claim. So I am left back to Glurio | ||
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On March 07 2013 10:59 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Lynch milksuckler LOL.. this is serious comment from you Dr.H? | ||
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On March 07 2013 11:02 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Yeah, you're lying and pushing a horrible lynch rn Lying? With what? Prove it. | ||
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On March 07 2013 11:04 DoctorHelvetica wrote: When did I really ever defend wos and saying me pushing toades was a policy lynch is ridiculous U defended WoS yesterday. On March 06 2013 14:49 DoctorHelvetica wrote: no one seemed to be really suspicious of WoS before but now that geript is flipped all of a sudden everyone is riding him? i'm gonna look into it but that seems really weird to me no1 seemed to care much about BC's reads when he died, or toadesstern, or ve, or anyone else On March 06 2013 14:55 MilkSuckler wrote: Whose riding WoS? Are you even reading the thread anymore, or just pretending to contribute? Was a soft-defense none-the-less and I dont recall saying pushing Toads was a policy lynch.. anywhere in my filter. Again, you proved nothing. Yet accuse me of everything. I expect more from a vet than what you just said. Much more. | ||
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On March 07 2013 11:17 TestSubject893 wrote: Why does everyone want to kill our blues? T_T TestSubject. Do you think Dr.H has any merit on me? Is scum trying to push an active townie? Or is just reading in a rush, and misinterpreted? | ||
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On March 07 2013 11:21 TestSubject893 wrote: Your idea to lynch JJ was terrible. Like I said before, it makes me want to lynch you. So yes, there is plenty merit in DrH wanting to lynch you. You could definitely be scum trying to get a wagon going on the confirmed blue... I really don't see how you could have overlooked all the evidence in his favor. The *ONLY* point in his favour was the Vivax RB Which I said before I forgot about until you reminded me. Since then (and before Dr.H called me out) I already swapped back to Glurio... Do you remember everything that happened in 186 pages of thread? Because I don't. ========= Either way... Dr.H merit to lynch me was not founded upon that criteria. It was based on my apparent "lying". What do you have to say about that. | ||
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On March 07 2013 11:32 TestSubject893 wrote: To say that's the only point in his favor is a stretch. Sure its a reason why there is little doubt in his claim, but you're misrepresenting this situation. If we don't hold people responsible for "forgetting" about key actions throughout the game, we let scum make plays like you just did for free, so yes, I do expect you to remember certain things that happened. Yeah sure.. but you raised the poitn with Vivax, and I realised the error of my logic http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=399294¤tpage=185#3697 I dunno for you, but to me: that reads as guy who realised he was missing a piece of the puzzle, as opposed to scum realising their "ploy" backfired. | ||
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On March 07 2013 11:37 TestSubject893 wrote: Thanks for your analysis of yourself. I was really wondering what you thought of you. Why is there a need to be a smart arse. What have you done all game? I was one of - if not - the first person to bring RO into the limelight. And was one of the first people onto prome, and supported Chezinu. And now you doubt me as scum... Again, What have you done all game to warrant throwing suspicion on me. If you dont like my claim on JJ, fine. I rescinded it, let's move on. Otherwise, make your case because you throwing cheap comments like that is only helping the 2 remaining scum to blend in for this 24hr cycle. P.S. Notice how Dr.H conveniently fucked off after throwing in his lying accusation towards me. | ||
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On March 07 2013 11:47 TestSubject893 wrote: Well see that's the thing, I don't know what I think of you yet, I'm still working that out right now. I had you squarely as town before, but you changed that for me. I think we've about hit the end of where this discussion is productive though. I Still personally dont see how that one action changes everything.. if anything.. my thought process around the whole event has been transparent, which is not conducive to scum play. If you think I was purposely tricking people, fine.. but think about it. its 2 scum, 12 town.. I still think its too early for scum to be sticking their necks out like what I did. But yes.. I agree with you, there is no point continuing this discussion. Im supporting my stance from yesterday.. Lynch Glurio | ||
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On March 07 2013 12:05 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Do you think wos is scum milksuckler? The banter I had with him yesterday to me is non-alignment indicative; as scum, I am not scared of confrontation, and he seems to exhibit the same confidence. Having said that: There is a lot I dont like in WoS filter, but i do not think my personal dislike of filter makes him scum. In fact his last post on Wade Fell spoke volumes to me. Even though it is a contribution anyone can make, I think he put more detail and time into it than a scum player would invest. I will say outright, there is a higher chance of you flipping scum than WoS in my mind. Day1 i had you as probably town, and each day that has slowly dwindled, that for me personally, I list you as null. This was further exacerbated by your claims to my false representation of events. ================= I dont know what to make of randombum; if you think a guy is town, the correct course of action is to identify someone scummier. But, I would have liked if he extrapolated somewhat on his claim that glurio is town (considering the heat he is under) | ||
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On March 07 2013 12:56 Aquanim wrote: @MilkSuckler I'd like you to make a single, unified case on Glurio pulling together everything you think makes him scum. In particular I want to see what you think makes him scum as opposed to bored town. I am not trying to be difficult.. its just.. what i developed from MachoMan was enough for me. I dont actually know if you are implying you disagree with it, or want me to make something from scratch? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=399294¤tpage=180#3592 I have not seen any of this refuted either (including by Glurio) If what you are saying is.. "What if he is bored townie" Yes, the above doesnt consider that option. (I only considered my meta-town read on him early game) Hence as for Bored Townie.. I think Glurio has come into the thread and thrown his weight around enough times to count a bored townie claim. I would expect a bored townie, to exhibit tendencies akin to OO - i.e. fully disappear from the thread. I admit OO case perhaps was rage-induced, but that is what I would expect none the less. Bored Townie:Come in the thread purely to lay down a vote. Also meta-wise, Glurio is historically a low-post contributor, so I can not associate activity as a read for scum or bored townie. Also Note: Glurio has still been commenting on things (e.g. last night); which suggests he is still reading the thread (all 186 pages of it)... Im happy to discuss this in more detial, just highlight what you want to focus on. | ||
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On March 07 2013 13:07 layabout wrote: since an sk is even less likely given what we know we have even more reason to lynch aqua! I have asked a few times if this is the sole reason: On March 04 2013 10:30 layabout wrote: I am suggesting that aqua is claiming he was roleblocked for towncred, since scum should have roleblocked vivax. (No response from you) Considering you thought he was town prior to the RB; I dont think this RB logic is enough to warrant a lynch. Also for consideration: If you think it was stupid i chased JJ; note that, when JJ was NOT RB'd... Aqua was. And I already pointed out a potential reason for the Aqua RB here: On March 07 2013 09:31 MilkSuckler wrote: That makes sense at least. Im thinking Aquanim was RB'd for this comment during N2 On March 03 2013 20:36 Aquanim wrote: <To Geript> If you survive the night I'll wager 5 internet points that you don't get lynched tomorrow. A little bird has whispered in my ear. tl;dr I don't support an Aquanim lynch based off RB speculation. If you think Aqua is scum, perhaps you can provide supporting filter evidence. | ||
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On March 07 2013 13:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote: That flip in reasoning from jcarlsoniv is hella bad. Indefensible practically. @MilkSuckler - I never defended WoS. I said I would read into him last night and just went to sleep before I really could. Why would you call me out for defending a player you think is town? Can you explain how my tunneling of toadesstern was based in any way on a "policy lynch"? This is the 3rd time I have told you. i dont even know what you are talking about in regards to toad and a policy lynch. I dont give a shit if you are ?phone? posting, support it with a quote. I called you out on WoS because it has been evident for several real life days now, you are posting without reading things.. which concerns me, because Day1, you act like someone who is chasing the facts around the clock. And slowly the behaviour has changed to now, you make wild comments founded upon no fact. I have already shown where you defend WoS, who was never cast into danger. Attacking JJ and supporting his lynch is indefensible. JJ is almost certainly the town roleblocker. If you believe JJ is lying then you must also believe that Vivax is his scumbuddy. You're not committing to your own read here though which is really worrisome. I think we should lynch you today. Again, do you not read the thread?This was written before you went gung-ho for me. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=399294¤tpage=185#3697 (I will admit we posted at the same time stamp.. but it just proves I already changed my conclusion based on information I did not consider) That has been fully transparent. | ||
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On March 07 2013 13:15 Aquanim wrote: I am not sure what you expect out of a case? Your efforts on OO had ?3? points mildly expanded.So this is Macho Man's case right? This feels pretty superficial to me. There are basically only two points - first, that Glurio went and summarised everything Vayesh said (which I admit is easy for scum to do, but I don't see direct scum motivation) and second his sheeping of Vayesh (again, easy for scum to hide behind but still). A case is made to bandwagon support for a lynch typically by identifying scummy behaviour. I think this case succeeded in that and I do not think the quotes were cherry picked either. It demonstrates examples you, yourself admit can be interpreted as scummy. The rest of Glurio's posts are covered with a blanket "overall lack of activity and concern for the lynch" which is again true but unfortunately describes about half of the players in this game. Are you able to summarise the remainder of his filter differently? I thought "overall lack of activity and concern for the lynch" is a sound synopsis.Glurio hasn't contributed much but this case isn't enough to convince me. In fact, this reads as a pretty half-hearted attempt by a player with IamP's experience. I have been iffy with IamP all game. As scum, he needs to pick on bad townies - of which Glurio certainly applies. However, because I agreed with the case, and it came at a time in the thread whether direction was needed; I thought it was a town motivated post to make.I havnt seen an IamP case before though (only played 1 game with him) so dont feel confident making the statement you are. Will stick with a town read until proven guilty. | ||
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On March 07 2013 13:40 WaveofShadow wrote: People are called out multiple times as well throughout the thread, hell I didn't even include Prom. That is almost EVERYONE in the thread Mocsta has suggested we lynch. Throwing around suspicion at absolutely everyone he possibly can all the time doesn't exactly strike me as town behaviour. There are a few more gut things that bother me about Mocsta but his filter is just so godawful to go through right now I just can't do it anymore. Hell you can add filter occlusion to the list. His play reminds me VERY STGRONGLY of his play from NMM 37. Scummy. (1) This is retarded. If you manage to secure a mislynch of this, you need to look closely at your reads. Everything you highlighted indicates a townie that gives a shit about the game... not a scum player. Instead of looking at who is accused, why dont you read the reasoning. A lot of is sound (based on what we knew at the time).. the development of thought process is transparent. Frankly, I am getting pissed off you keep refering to my scum game in NMM37. The only thing that is common is activity which is not an indicator for me. My agenda is completely different from NMM37, that game, i tunneled one guy as an excuse to contribute. If anything, your post makes me confirmed town, if you want to put so much emphasis into meta. | ||
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On March 07 2013 13:41 Aquanim wrote: That was, what, three hours into the game? Anyway that's not the point. My point is that I don't think these two particular points make Glurio scum necessarily. Townies sometimes choose to contribute in ways that are stereotypically scummy. I'm not complaining about the effort put in, I'm complaining that I don't think these are super-indicative of scum. Which is not to say that I'm wedded to the idea that Glurio is town, just that these points aren't convincing enough on their own. Yes it adequately defines Glurio. Seeing as how it describes HALF OF THE PLAYERS adequately it's not scummy enough to convince me that Glurio is scum. tl;dr This case does not convince me. I would welcome a convincing case. I may do that. Now the bolded is an interesting point and one I will explore further. Unfortunately I think a number of townies are probably disconnected from the game following Blazinghand's one-man "wagon of justice" driving for the last two days but still. OK, i like the response here, and you raise valid points. I will write a case on Glurio when I get home tonight and address your (valid) concerns, say 8 hrs? Its too hard to write cases at work :sob: | ||
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To re-emphasise the obvious. On March 07 2013 09:00 GreYMisT wrote: It is now day 4! the day will last 24 hours! with 14 alive it takes 8 to lynch! This is the first time all game we haven't had a clear front runner for lynch, and with ~18hrs left I am getting concerned about consolidation (mainly because most of the action will occur whilst I am asleep & there are signs of strong disagreement). I suggest for this cycle we stick with the 3 candidates seriously proposed: (1) Glurio (2) jcarlsoniv (3) Aquanim | ||
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On March 07 2013 15:14 ObviousOne wrote: if you're still here is that a parallel or series list of names. Is that the order you think is most likely to flip red? I'll give glurio another read when I'm at a proper computer but I know I was concerned about jcarl given his threatening tone towards DocH earlier and his eagerness to vote that I also pointed out. Ordered by introduction as lynch candidate. My vote is on glurio as it stands. Will have a deeper re-think when I get home and have a chance to read all 3 filters. Welcome back to the thread. | ||
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On March 07 2013 15:17 Aquanim wrote: Well if someone brings a convincing case against someone not on that list I have no intention of not following it based on some silly policy. I agree town is not in a clear-win situation; but I would rather have a lynch with the number advantage we have currently than go through a no-lynch. If you think there is chance for convincing cases elsewhere, perhaps, you can take the lead and provide us a suitable alternative. | ||
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##Vote: WoS Now thou hast been summoth.. Curious is it not: that Restraining Order in his filter of a mere 2 pages, chooses to represent you as town multiple occurrences. On February 26 2013 11:01 Restraining Order wrote: I don't see as big of a difference as you make it sound. And slight differences in posting are to be fully expected from new players. Curiousity amplified: considering the original context Geript references is VE quotes regarding Geript. What dost make of this ! P.S. For good measure On February 26 2013 11:40 Restraining Order wrote: I'd be fine with getting Wave pardoner. That post makes it unlikely he's mafia. P.P.S And more 15min later On February 26 2013 11:56 Restraining Order wrote: In fact, all the worries about the pardoner being mafia can be silenced if we just give it to a townie. So I'm going to vote WoS for now. On February 26 2013 11:58 grush57 wrote: why does everyone think WoS is town et On February 26 2013 12:00 Restraining Order wrote:Because his posts shows the kind of logic I would expect a townie to use. I find it hard to believe scum would fake something like this, especially not a new player. And it doesn't look copy-pasted. In a way, his plan works, even though it's not a good plan, because he proposed a plan that's not good, which makes it kinda good. So Restraining Order in all his love for town, has decided it is best we vote WoS into pardoner.. a role beneficial *ONLY* for scum. P.P.P.S On March 07 2013 15:17 Aquanim wrote: Well if someone brings a convincing case against someone not on that list I have no intention of not following it based on some silly policy. Aqua, you were right. We need to vote someone off the list of Glurio, jcarlsoniv, aquanim. ##Vote: WoS | ||
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On February 27 2013 11:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Prom layabout jj geript testsubject vivax On February 27 2013 11:34 Restraining Order wrote: [Prom layabout jj geript testsubject vivax] Yes Maybe Yes Yes No Yes TestSubject Want to have a go explaining this one.... | ||
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Aquanim, The case on TestSubject893 hasn't swayed me. Maybe my heuristics are flawed, but, I still see honesty and confusion in his posts; so my vote won't go there. (2) Aquanim, I am disappointed you think the case on WoS is based on tenuous associations. As far as I am concerned, WoS association with RO; in addition to his scripted post are enough to warrant a lynch. ========================= (3) All I think with the numbers advantage we need to remove the Vivax WIFOM out of the equation sooner than later. So I will support JJ with a Vivax lynch for this cycle. If he flips scum, great if he flips town, we can all move on. If he is vig, hes just a VT now anyways and has barely been contributing recently. The important thing is, we need a majority = 8 votes, otherwise no lynch ##Vote: Vivax Lets all get behind this. | ||
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On March 07 2013 23:19 Vivax wrote: Must be scum at this point. Considering MilkSuckler's latest play and the fact that glurio and jcarlson seem to exclude each other as scum unless they hard bussed each other early we lynch jcarl. If jcarl flips red, which seems very likely, we should consider lynching MilkSuckler tomorrow. Funny how the two people trying to get me lynched is: WoS & Vivax no one else, (Dr.H was more OMGUS) Funny, JJ has a solid scum read on Vivax and I have a solid scum read on WoS & there is 2 scum remaining. Yeah, my vote remains on you Vivax | ||
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On March 07 2013 23:28 jcarlsoniv wrote: Everyone is so eager to jump onto this bandwagon on me. I'm going to laugh so hard when you guys are sitting there with green blood on your hands. Im not jumping there. sounds like layabout wont either. | ||
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On March 07 2013 23:27 layabout wrote: For all intents and purposes we are treating vivax as town. To be frank, I wasn't considering a Vivax lynch until JJ brought him up. - obvious from my WoS case. But doubt on Vivax has been cast several times.. I think for the benefit of town, its best to remove him regardless of alignment.. hes barely contributing now that he is in 2 games anyways (and was contributing fuck all before hand). I dont see it as a big loss to town with scum restricted to 1KP. Nobody has provided good reasons for us to not lynch aqua. Scum KP was missing but we are supposed to believe that scum didn't shoot and choose to block aquanim over the claimed vig or the claimed jailkeeper. The most likely scenario is that scum messed up their actions and aqua claimed a roleblock for towncred. It's also strange that he pointed out what in his filter is supposed to have drawn the roleblock since he has no need to attempt to drawn a roleblock and mafia would have no good reason to try to bluesnipe with their block when there are 2 claimed blue and 1 dead blue. It was me who pointed out what I think could have drawn an Aquanim RB. I agree the RB is odd; but you're looking from the perspective of an experienced player that *always* makes the right mafia decisions. Vivax is an unorthodox player. My read: WoS, is new to the arts of scum play. - As are a plethora of remaining players. Its reasonable to assume they didnt know any better. Yes this is an association defense, but considering there are fuck all vets left; its also fair to apply this heuristic to any scum team combination that doesnt include Dr.H or yourself. ========== If you want an example, Mafia LIX I was killed N3 (before other vets in the game - and to the shock of several in the obs qt) Why? The only scum team left were newer players and made questionable decisions. (IIRC they eliminated me because of the threat that I was more familiar with their game, then the vets) | ||
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As I said before, I will support WoS or Vivax lynch; which ever is closer to hitting 8 votes for majority. Im going to be pissed if we can't consolidate between those two (unless you are layabout lol) Going to bed now anyways. | ||
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On March 07 2013 23:51 layabout wrote: i'd would've sworn aqua had pointed it out but it appear he didn't killing vivax today would be a sack of stupid. If not vivax, will you support WoS lynch? if you and I swap; I believe that gives us 5 votes out of 8 required. | ||
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Gotta go to work now. saw Glurio was on 7 votes, I gave him the hammer vote (8 for majority) be back at deadline. | ||
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I still prefer a WoS lynch. His town read on glurio is based on happenings that occurred way after he declared him as town and refused to extrapolate. None to fuck all is based on the past. Consolidation is important and too late to lead a votr swap, so will stay on glurio. Also for next day cycle. I can work with a vivax lynch, and not just cos its sandroba. Vivax story doesn't add up fully, and he is the common element intertwining the vig claims, ribs and nks. | ||
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On March 08 2013 08:21 The Macho Man wrote: yeah im not getting panicked from wos im getting clueless which is townie. Wrong Clueless suggests lack of conviction and willingness to sheep. If u read lack of conviction in his defends, u might need to set windows language setting back to English... | ||
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On March 08 2013 12:22 Aquanim wrote: @JungleJorge Apologies, I may be quite bad at this game One question: Night two, scum *withholds* KP to frame up me or whoever they thought you'd roleblock for the lack of KP, town vig Vivax shoots RO. Why is this implausible? It is a plausible possibility; however, the likelihood in my opinion is: remote ======================= @ALL To summarise what we know: Night 1: Scum 2KP & 2 NK JJ -> RB'd -> Toad ?? -> RB'd -> Vivax Night 2: Scum 1KP & 1 NK Vivax -> Vig -> RO ?? -> RB'd -> Aquanim JJ -> No submit (layabout) Night 3: Scum 1KP & 1 NK ?? -> RB'd -> JJ (1) The # kills rules out mutant. (This can be explained if you don't see it.. but consider Night 1 as a tell for no mutant and compare to Night 3.... ) (2) If we assume Vivax = town vig & scum found his "breadcrumbs" D1 to RB him Then Night 2, he *SHOULD* have been roleblocked OR shot. Why would scum leave an unpredictable town vig to take a free shot? Further, lets go with the theory that scum left town vig alone N2... SURELY they had to do something with JJ a confirmed town for many.... instead they RB Aquanim & there is no kill??? I have already proven there is no mutant.. so where did the scum kill go? This story isn't selling.. scum don't take these type of risks.. their goal is to survive, and plays like that work off variables they do not have control over. Vivax can not be town or 3rd party. (3) If we assume Vivax = scum The KP to NK ratio makes sense; and also correlates with the action of leaving Vivax to his own devices to "vig" Now also consider that RO was not contributing much; and people like myrself/JJ/Macho were considering him scummy. I can easily see an opportunistic Vivax making this play to gain town cred and satisfy the vig claim. - An action that has precedent behind it (from Vivax). If that is not enough: JJ has alreayd done a good job outlining the mentality differences of a vig; and someone pretending to be a vig. So again, the story of a town-Vivax doesn't add up. But it comes back down to: I have already proven there is no mutant.. so where did the kill go? It went to RO with Vivax "vig" claim (4) Where does this leave Aquanim? When Vivax flips red, I would consider insta-lynching Aquanim. With the context above, the RB (on Aqua vs JJ/Vivax) makes no sense; but Aqua continual urge to justify the RB makes me feel uneasy. If I was town, I would have no idea why I was RB'd.. and would leave it alone as it is all WIFOM.. Aqua instead continues to flesh this out (e.g. the post I am responding to). Conclusion Day5.. majority vote Vivax Day6.. majority vote Aquanim | ||
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On March 08 2013 17:20 Mocsta wrote: Lol, save the defense for Day 6. Day 5 = Vivax Unless you want to dispute the logic above.. I think its quite conclusive on him. For posterity in filter | ||
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I proved mutant does not exist. Each no was the same as scum kp.... This doesn't rule out bartender though Perhaps that explains the apathy u see in people like test subject. Still best course of action is to lynch vivax next cycle. | ||
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 I thought at least one person might try to contest my logic on Vivax. OK, we will have a majority vote Day 5. | ||
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It all comes down to THERE IS NO MUTANT Hence, where did the scum KP go if Vivax is town vig? There was no veteran or medic; otherwise someone would have said something. And we know there was no JK save. Hence, why would scum WITHHOLD KP, when 2 men down to fake an SK (when its easily proven there is no SK).. thats just too stupid and I have to give Vivax and co. more credit than being stupid. Fact: Night 2.. there was 1 kill only. How can anyone say that scum witheld KP, AND RB'd Aquanim AND let a town vig shoot (especially Vivax who you can't predict his town night actions) That chain of events, is so unlikely and remote, I dare say it is impossible. | ||
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On March 09 2013 07:26 WaveofShadow wrote: Well yall know where MY vote is tomorrow. Though the Mocsta-logic-train is chuggin' along. I have to re-read that. No.. I dont know.. please share | ||
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On March 09 2013 07:24 DoctorHelvetica wrote: If scum didn't send in their night actions properly (seems highly unlikely oatsmaster wouldn't have told them directly in the scum qt/irc) how would aqua not realize that and still claim RB? are you positive it's impossible that scum missed their shot? Exactly.. scum submitted RB.. which menas they submitted NK... So its a choice of whether they withheld or made the kill Withehld is just too unlikely ##Vote: Vivax Get the majority going. | ||
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On March 09 2013 07:28 WaveofShadow wrote: Really? 'Cause I've been talking about him being scum all game. I guess to be fair it's been a while since anything happened in here. Soniv. Baby.. I would hold off jcarlsoniv I got something that will give you a GUARANTEED vote for Day5 and Day6. Gimme 10 minutes. Trust me.. *you* of all people will love this one. | ||
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On March 09 2013 07:33 TestSubject893 wrote: They could have forgotten to submit their actions to oatmaster, just like JJ did.... How? They submitted RB dude.... thats clear unless you think the RB claim from aquanim is a charade for forgetting to submit actions... | ||
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On March 09 2013 07:34 TestSubject893 wrote: Or its a fake claim and there was no RB. Lynch aqua. At least we agree it comes down to 2 scenarios Case A: Scum fake Vig-Hit Case B: Scum withhold NK Do you really think there is a 50/50 of this occurring? I suggest you read the scum QT from NMM37. I came up with the idea of withholding NK and pretending to be a veteran who got shot. My coach: VE said IMMEDIATELY, dont do it.. its stupid Mafia is a numbers game.. you need to remove town as often as possible, its not worth the gamble. So again... do you honestly think Case B >>> Case A? & Consider.. case A gives them the NK they need + gives vivax the town cred (which is why you so hard defending him) | ||
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On March 09 2013 07:46 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Did JJ forget to send in his roleblock? What happened to that? Because if he jailed the person mafia hit that would actually explain everything. JJ confirmed it didnt go through (was on layabout) From http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=399294¤tpage=202#4039 On March 08 2013 13:48 MilkSuckler wrote: ======================= @ALL To summarise what we know: Night 1: Scum 2KP & 2 NK JJ -> RB'd -> Toad ?? -> RB'd -> Vivax Night 2: Scum 1KP & 1 NK Vivax -> Vig -> RO ?? -> RB'd -> Aquanim JJ -> No submit (layabout) Night 3: Scum 1KP & 1 NK ?? -> RB'd -> JJ | ||
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(Prome / Chezinu / Restraining Order) & decided to cross reference with Vivax (who is guaranteed to flip scum) (1) Prome + Show Spoiler [Oddities] + WaveofShadow On February 26 2013 09:57 Promethelax wrote: For the moment my top scum read is WoS, he responded to gerpit's candidacy all wrong, obviously assuming gerpit is town but statistically... I'm not a fan of this post or WoS's mentality. Vote me, screw random lynch. I'll lynch WoS. And then 180 shifts to ---> On February 26 2013 11:53 Promethelax wrote: WoS super townie lets make him the pardoner. On February 26 2013 12:06 Promethelax wrote: I would say grush is mod confirmed townie at this point, we should make him or WoS pardoner. On February 26 2013 12:21 Promethelax wrote: <To VE: regarding scum read on WoS> it's goner than gone.i thought I made that clear? & for shits and giggles On February 26 2013 12:04 Promethelax wrote: <To WaveofShadow> I don't want you mayor, even though I'd bet a nut you are town I wouldn't bet a single hair of my beard on you making the right choices. I've been burned by newbie townies before (YAN). If you are elected pardoner do not pardon anyone. Ever. Vivax On February 26 2013 09:59 VisceraEyes wrote: Prom that's closer to what I'm looking for. Why do you prefer to lynch WoS over Vivax? On February 26 2013 10:07 Promethelax wrote: Because I don't care to lynch Vivax. I know I'm the only guy on the forum who thinks this but Vivax is a good player and useful to town when town. Also, as Marv showed in fruity, he is catchable as scum on meta alone. Tl:dr I have a scum read on WoS and not on Vivax. Aquanim On February 26 2013 10:48 Promethelax wrote: <To Wave of Shadow> Are you being serious or sarcastic about aqua? Its funny. the 180' shift was used as a point to seal prome fate. But now we understand the cause and desire for his 180'.. it was to set the play for WoS to become pardoner (2) Chezinu + Show Spoiler [oddities] + WaveofShadow On February 28 2013 03:06 Chezinu wrote: Waveoftheshadow, who are you? This is WoS post, before Chezinu call-out On February 28 2013 02:56 VisceraEyes wrote: Did you read my explanation of that? Because I'm running for mayor, I'm using the lynch to try and pressure people for contribution. And in the case of OO it seems to have worked because he's tried to (from my perspective) feign contribution since. I'll admit that the more in agreement we all seem to be re: Prom, the more likely I am to lynch another of my reads - which is why I've been advocating DocH for mayor lately - but Toad specifically called it "waffling" twice...in a manner that seems to be specifically designed to anger me. He knows Mayoral strategy, he knows the power of the threat of lynch. For this reason, I think it was NOT supposed to be just an observation of my lynch preference, and WAS supposed to be discrediting me. On February 28 2013 03:00 WaveofShadow wrote: But see that's the issue...if Toad (like most of us) actually wants Prom lynched then despite the 'threat of lynch' he can't be sure if what you're saying is just pressure or whether you actually are going to change your mind. Even I can't tell now that you've said you're more likely to lynch someone else. Is it just for pressure or are you gonna flip things on us? WIFOM. If you're serious about not wanting to lynch Prom anymore you need to seriously let everyone know who is voting for you based on that premise. On February 28 2013 03:06 Chezinu wrote: Waveoftheshadow, who are you? This is interesting; when I first read this from WoS, i thought it was super town motivated. Because it gives a chance for town to consolidate on someone else willing to lynch prome. But scum have just as much incentive to know and control the mayor (for lynch vote) as well. Its interesting Chezinu feels the urge to create an interaction such as this. It actually reads to me as a subtle "in-joke".. indicative of knowledge us townies do not possess Then the famous WIFOM list post - I admit this is taking a leap of faith, so feel free to ignore. On March 02 2013 04:45 Chezinu wrote: Town Reads 2.grush57 he is a star 3. Vivax - he is one of the best town players, I said last game 9. The Macho Man 11. randombum He understands important matters 16. Wade Fell - liked him... then found out he was BH whom I used the Chez rule on in the past... Why he hates me 25. aquanim similar thoughts like me 8. jcarlsoniv - first made me think I was mafia before I checked my role cause he knew I didn't check my role... false alarm Null Reads 6. glurio - null 7. TestSubject893 - don't recall posts 10. Chaos Bear - not present 17. ObviousOne one of my summoners... no sure where he went 18. geript 21. Hassybaby - I cried mored 22. Restraining Order 24. layabout Scum Reads 12. WaveofShadow 15. MilkSuckler - don't like this guy 19. DoctorHelvetica can't seem to save anyone 20. JungleJorge I will re-evaluate this list based on the flips we know: On March 02 2013 04:45 Chezinu wrote: Town Reads 2.grush57he is a star 3. Vivax - he is one of the best town players, I said last game 9. The Macho Man 11. randombum He understands important matters 16. Wade Fell 25. aquanim - similar thoughts like me 8. jcarlsoniv - first made me think I was mafia before I checked my role cause he knew I didn't check my role... false alarm Null Reads 6. glurio 7. TestSubject893 - don't recall posts 10. Chaos Bear 17. ObviousOne one of my summoners... no sure where he went 18. geript 21. Hassybaby 22. Restraining Order 24. layabout Scum Reads 12. WaveofShadow 15. MilkSuckler - don't like this guy 19. DoctorHelvetica can't seem to save anyone 20. *JungleJorge *MilkSuckler Confirmed town (Essentially) Now you can call this WIFOM and disregard this entire section, but I think an easy and effective strategy in a WIFOM list post like this is to put a scum player in each category (town/null/scum) i.e. Town = Vivax Null = Restraining Order Scum = WaveofShadow.....<- See the link Look at his over reasoning for Vivax: "3. Vivax - he is one of the best town players, I said last game" - Ties in nicely with Prome read of Vivax *Bye-Bye Vivax* The comment on Grush "is a star" I think is more a pun on "STARSENSES" then giving a false town read. In regards to aquanim: Chezinu tries to create association by "similar thoughts like me"... this ties in interestingly with Promes (serious/sarcastic over awareness for Aquanim) (3) Restraining Order + Show Spoiler [oddities] + WaveofShadow I already outlined RO associations with WoS here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=399294¤tpage=189#3769 All revolves around giving him pardoner role (Conveniently prome wants the same outcome) Vivax On February 28 2013 21:31 Restraining Order wrote: Bottom line, vigs should shoot JJ or Vivax, tomorrow we lynch the other. I doubt the last few pages changed that. RO comments on fuck all, but it is important enough for him to suggest vigs shot Vivax? Reads to me as scum sussing out whether town vig is in the game..... (4) Vivax Based on logic, Vivax can only be scum (i.e. no SK; and his "vig claim" was the only NK for N2. Further, no town claimed medic/veteran save, and JK role didnt activate that night.... he can only be scum) + Show Spoiler [oddities] + Vivax says it all in his big ramble of a list post http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=399294¤tpage=45#896 These are the important parts from the Wall of Text On February 27 2013 00:27 Vivax wrote: Purely based on these early game interactions I've become wary of restraining order/marv given his early dead serious tone despite the comparatively low interest into the mayor candidates. He subtly shovelled shit at MS for that awesome post and fucked off ignoring most of the early opinions. However, given his later contributions to the pardoner talk, dissuading town from following Toad's terrible plan, my read switched back to a more townie one, especially when he suggested that WoS should be elected, which I agree with. I am curious to see what else he will contribute. This guy slams RO (who is known to be scum) and then retreats on the read as null. Why? Because he wants WoS elected as pardoner. aquanim I have a slight scumread on, his early contributions consist of asking MS a pointless question and then saying there's a voting thread. He likes to pick on people like WoS and OO, who I have townreads on and are at best guilty of lighthearted and at worst clumsy play. Most of his filter looks much artificial, his answers to reads look forced. I advise you to analyse him properly and I will support a mayor willing to lynch him. Why is aquanim scum? because "he likes to pick on people like WoS" Note, Vivax does not back off his aquanim read (unlike RO...) Prom. There's a lot to work on with him. What bothers me about Prom is his unusual lack of confidence. He came dead serious into the thread with his RNG lynch idea, but didn't actually RNG anyone at that point, and even said he would lynch himself, which is a retarded thing to do when you know you're town. When people criticized him for his behaviour regarding the RNG, he quickly switched to a WoS lynch preference. Then he votes VE, who wants to lynch him. Again, a point towards scumprom, who would probably not want to get lynched as town, it looks like a subtle buddying attempt. Then again, it confuses me that he's been interacting in a way with VE that suggests that he would rethink his townread on me if just VE convinced him. That was after VE said he thinks I'm scum based on association with Prom (stupid reason). Trying to see this from a scumprom perspective, this doesn't make sense to me. A scumprom would probably try to convince VE that there is an association and that he's null or town on me to frame me for later. Instead he expressed being content with changing his read on me if VE convinced him. I am null on Prom given how he's been handling his reads of me. Massive wall of text, to say, scummy, and then back down on his read and say null. Classic scum tactics to write a massive wall, start off why he is scum; and then finish off with a "null" Vivax from this post alone is proven to be scum. Vivax from his interactions with the scum team (as identified above) is proven to be scum Vivax from logic regarding NK and lack of Mutant is proven to be scum. Vote Vivax Day 5. In short: Vivax is scum.. this is proven by Night Action logic: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=399294¤tpage=202#4039 this is proven by interactions from his scum team (in particular prome hard-meta defense & RO Vig information digging) & is proven by his D1 list post.. which satisfies all requirements of scum agenda. Day 5: LYNCH VIVAX From associations. it is now clear WaveofShadow is scum I identified RO clearly supporting WoS for pardoner (a role only scum want) But now consider.. prome was pushing the same agenda as RO (and resulted in his 180 read shifts) Now consider.. chezinu peculiar interaction with WoS (regarding Prome lynch) Consider.. Vivax supporting RO because he supports WoS for pardoner ========= Since when do the entire scum team have such agreement on an outcome? The fact is.. they don't and shouldn't.. But what are they actually agreeing over? Its about WoS becoming pardoner. The role beneficial for scum. It is CLEAR that scum made a play for WoS to become pardoner, and tried to support him throughout Day1. In reality he was a safe choice.. no one knew him, and as a newbie you dont expect him to make a play like that (but keep in mind he has the scum QT to produce posts for him) Even if you want to discount Vivax information (as he hasnt flipped yet).. the associations from prome/chez/RO are enough to seal WoS fate. Vivax is simply icing on the cake. Day6: LYNCH WoS ========= | ||
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On March 09 2013 07:57 grush57 wrote: wow you totally got him Is that sarcasm? | ||
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On March 09 2013 07:58 DoctorHelvetica wrote: What's enough for me is that Vivax's day 1 reads were based on wifom speculation (that whole prom thing) and in the game I just played with him where he was town he was very direct with his pressure/thoughts, keeping things out of that nebulous speculation area Vivax is scum based on NK action logic. WoS is scum based on scum agenda. (and the point of my whole post I just made) His attempt to immediately discredit the findings was quite humerous actually. | ||
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On March 09 2013 08:02 WaveofShadow wrote: Honestly, that case is so ridiculous it doesn't even worry me in the slightest. I worried myself more WIFOMing the hell out of myself with the Geript lynch than I'm worried about this. If I'm going to get lynched, then go ahead and do it, so long as you honour my death once you find out I'm town and kill Soniv. As long as I am alive. you will get lynched for that association. Scum do no unanimously support someone the way they did with you.. the goal was important enough to warrant it. Supplement this with your wishy-washy game of playing hard to get with dishing out reads; and its pretty clear your #5 on the scum list. Supplement this with your /golfclap post and again its pretty clear you are #5 on the scum list. Vivax first though baby. | ||
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On March 09 2013 08:05 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I don't see how Vivax's logic in that post proves he is scum, you failed to demonstrate scum motivation only associations. Let me look back through my filter to find out what I was thinking when I was actually caring about this game. oh. I didn't touch on Vivax mentality because it was done to death by yourself and JJ already. No point beating the same drum (and others in the thread weren't buying it). So I took the association method to communicate the same message. We agree which is good.. Lynch Vivax, the instant Day5 passes through. | ||
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On March 09 2013 08:18 Mocsta wrote: (1) Vivax has precedent.. he has done it before (2) Vivax is known for acting rouge as scum; and casting doubt on scum team mates without consent (3) Look at the town cred he has.. everyone fighting it vehemently. (4) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=399294¤tpage=204#4063 Do you really think.. "fail to submit action .. so fake RB on Aquanim" >>>> "shoot your own guy, who was contributing fuck all and was going to be under pressure the next day"? ======= I can guarantee you, i was looking to lead on RO >> Geript Day 3.. (but RO death, made me default to Geript) On March 09 2013 08:19 Mocsta wrote: I believe my association case clears you anyways..(when Vivax flips) Even though prome discussion to you is somewhat suspect Vivax clearly treats you differently when calling you scum.. compared to RO/Prome (where he calls them scum and then retreats to null). | ||
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On March 09 2013 08:53 TestSubject893 wrote: So what you're saying is that they can't afford to not shoot someone at night from a numbers perspective, so they obviously shot one of their own teammates instead? That's not sound reasoning. What I've had in my head is a situation where they forget to submit to oat and then try to make the best of it by claiming the RB. With that said, I'm starting to be convinced that your situation is more likely the more I think about. There's some time before we have to vote, so I'll try to put a little more thought into it. Theres a lot of time. 24hrs to be precise. just keep in mind.. no other blues said they forgot to submit Scum have to pay attention to the thread.. it was obvious GreyMist said, post to both. JJ has been here and there, so it makes sense he didnt see it.. but scum dont have the same excuse. the reasoning is sound.. why do you think your defending him so hard... do you even have a case to support that the Aqua claim of RB is fake? There is so much more to vivax being scum, than just the fake town-vig claim.. you need to read everything in context.. its undeniable vivax is scum | ||
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On March 09 2013 08:57 jcarlsoniv wrote: Yeah, milksuckler, I don't really agree with your case on vivax. I highly doubt scum would shoot scum from the position they were in. Right.. and that means everyelse is wrong? | ||
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On March 09 2013 08:59 MilkSuckler wrote: Right.. and that means everyelse is wrong? It doesnt matte what you think is doubtful. scum have to constantly innovate themselves, or are too easily figured out | ||
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On March 09 2013 09:04 jcarlsoniv wrote: That part of your case* I should say. I haven't been at my computer in ~12 hrs. I'll need to review when I can get back to my room. I am more than happy to discuss the case and convince who needs convincing. But I suggest that you read everything before shitting all over the idea. The important posts are for Vivax: scum MilkSuckler: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=399294¤tpage=202#4039 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=399294¤tpage=204#4063 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=399294¤tpage=204#4067 Dr.H: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=399294¤tpage=204#4074 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=399294¤tpage=205#4094 JJ (i.e. Sandroba) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=399294¤tpage=91#1816 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=399294¤tpage=190#3784 | ||
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seriously.. have you played scum before (1) the host reads the QT, and often the NK is discussed there (2) the host typically will PM the scum team, if no actions have been given. Everything was made in the favour for scum to execute the NK... the argument that this chance is more likely than the logic i am explaining, is a strawman argument.. and implies you think aquanim is guaranteed scum. My filter dump of the FLIPPED scum players, suggests aquanim is clear as non-scum; which again is more evidence to the contrary of "fail to submit" actions. Just because *YOU* think its stupid to shoot your own, doesnt mean it can not happen. Scum play needs to be innovative.. town have been demolishing scum left, right and center. Shooting your own, whilst not innovative, is still a big deviation from the norm, and is acceptable play considering the position RO was in. | ||
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On March 09 2013 09:19 Aquanim wrote: I had three problems with this Vivax case. 1) If the only explanation for the observed events was that Vivax was scum why would scum do it in the first place? Answer: Should have been obvious. If JJ had actually done a JK that would have explained the lack of scum KP, which perfectly explains why they didn't roleblock him (which has been mentioned before). Fortuitous in hindsight. I think this was mentioned by JJ but it took me a while to get it through my head. 2) Vivax claimed vigilante Night 1 and scum would have had to "use" their roleblock on him to explain his lack of KP. Answer: Implies a fair bit of planning in advance but I suppose I can see it. Roleblock night 1 is a bit of a crapshoot 3) I had a townread on Vivax independent of vigilante claim. Answer: I've been wrong before and will likely be wrong again. Which leaves the question of "would scum really shoot themselves with their own KP?". I have doubts but it's the kind of plan Vivax and Chezinu would come up with. ##Vote: Vivax Dont forget about Vivax & RO sussing out vig possibilities well before, unveiling vivax as vig in D1/N1. I will give them credit, they put the "feelers" out there, and registered no vigilante so decided to follow through. | ||
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On March 09 2013 10:56 DoctorHelvetica wrote: That town KP question can't be ignored either. My only guess would be town has a mad hatter or several armorers. OK.. if this is what it takes to get Vivax lynched. I am the mad hatter I am in a rush (heading out for the next 6 hours) so will make this quick. I crumbed it twice (1) Day 1 - made a comment about "BOOM" on something IIRC and (2) Night 1 last will post. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=399294¤tpage=110#2197 When I reference myself: If you notice, the bomb is on: Geript On March 01 2013 08:54 MilkSuckler wrote: MilkSuckler Last Will Post MilkSucker: Leave Alone Town, cept all that suckled milk is starting to explode from 110 pages of thread Geript: Yes If I had the means, i would take him out tonight. I have to go, but hopefully this addresses the concerns about town KP. Look, I didnt want to claim like this; but if it is going to ensure Vivax is lynched... then so be it. See ya. | ||
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On March 09 2013 11:15 layabout wrote: Are we doing a KPclaim or a mass roleclaim? I miss the ol' mass roleclaims. We are lynching through jcarl, vivax, aqua, oo, right? Milk why would a player breadcrumb madhatter if they are a mad hatter? Makes no sense since then scum won't set off your bombs. On phone I wrote it in a way, I didnt think people would instantly get... and since no one appeared to KNOW if mad hatter was in the game, I thought it worked. | ||
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On March 09 2013 11:15 layabout wrote: We are lynching through jcarl, vivax, aqua, oo, right? Wrong we are lynching Vivax today no one else comes into consideration. Vivax full stop. | ||
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We know WoS is final scum BTW good work on work in vivax everyone | ||
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On March 10 2013 15:58 WaveofShadow wrote: Apparently nobody cares since Mocsta is basically confirmed town that his most recent read on me is shit despite being right about Vivax. Makes all sorts of associations based on how the mafia interacted with me but where in MY FILTER do you find me interacting with THEM in such a manner? . That is a very fair point.. I will do the courtesy of perusing your filter before casting a vote on you. Regardless, jcarlsoniv is *THE* target for Day6 or TestSubject. (1) If your filter is void of meaningful interactions with the scum team; then I shall vote for TestSubject893. OR (2) If your filter is filled with meaningful interactions with the scum team; then I shall vote for jcarlsoniv =================== Reasoning, with 5 nights pass, the bartender will have doused 5 people. Hence, if he ignites; town could be in serious trouble. I think it is a higher priority to eliminate the bartender currently, then lynch scum *yes, I am assuming bartender exists* To me; TestSubject893/Aquanim gameplay fills the requirements of the bartender quite well. Grush can also be considered; as STARSENSES is more (Anti-Mafia.. then Town I suppose) | ||
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Mafia, if you want a free go at hitting the bartender (cos it works in your favour too) - unless of course you're one of the two. My bombs: "Bomb: jcarl bomb: testsubject" | ||
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