EPTOn March 01 2013 10:00 Vivax wrote:
I'm being told that I've been roleblocked and that's it.
Can we lynch MilkMan pls?
I'm being told that I've been roleblocked and that's it.
Can we lynch MilkMan pls?
Toadesstern, what did your roleblock say?
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DoctorHelvetica
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Toadesstern, what did your roleblock say? | ||
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A few things stand out to me which is that after his push on Prom (which was 2-3 posts that didn't go longer than a paragraph or two), he immediately started patting himself on the back and spending the rest of the day arguing with other people about himself. It was his idea to kill the Pardoner (a plan he admitted was bad when he thought about it pregame) but still wanted to discuss it and even push it at the end of the game. What I don't get is why a scum Toades would vote for VE under any circumstance when he knew there was a chance VE would kill him. Other than that, I see no reason to believe Toadesstern is really town in this game. He's quick to anoint himself as the star and most useful player in the thread but was absolutely useless for Day 1. Plenty of people came to the same conclusion on Prom without his help (I wasn't even aware of his case when I made mine) and he is more than willing to toot his own horn for it. Killing off the pardoner as well would only give him 2x the town cred. There are a few other little things, like his disinterest in being mayor I find curious. He said essentially he'd only run for mayor if he could lynch a veteran, really strange thing to say. The fact that there are no bodyguards I now understand to be only relevant for scum because a well playing townie is a target regardless of whether they are elected or not. That kind of immediate survival instinct rubs me the wrong way. | ||
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On March 01 2013 10:26 MilkSuckler wrote: I dont think it was early day one.. no1 has rided the town cred hard enough (not even Dr. H) I think it was an adapted bus situation... seriously.. if the case was just Dr.H.. prome prob woulda responded but with Dr.H/me/Wade.. bus time occured. (in my opinion) Toades hasn't? wat? Are you kidding me? I did more than anyone in this game so far. The game started 01 am my time. That's really late and still everyone's on prom because of the 3 posts I DID about him and laya / VE and later on everyone else agreeing with what I said / repeating what I said about prom in everyone's one words. I'm just trying to understand what you're accusing me of... especially considering that I've got people in skype laughing about me because it's so obvious I'm town this game and I won't stand a chance next time I roll mafia if I keep on playing the way I am right now. Was kind of busy owning mafia and playing dota inbetween. how do you get that idea I'm disinterested in communicating my own reads? Communicating my own reads is the reason we're where we are yet because again, I was the guy who just said what was on his mind while people like laya / VE and later on other people only ended up saying "yeah saw that as well Toad, agree". (crediting himself solely while discrediting the people who are helping push and pressure prom, interesting) About how "dominant" I usually am... again I said I'd bet VE's left ball on prom being mafia 2 hours into the game. How much more dominant do you want me to be? I usually stop repeating myself after saying the same thing 3 times or something like that and I think everyone understands what my reads are about now. let's wait and see how Prom flips. Pretty sure he'll confirm me as town. RED ALERT RED ALERT RED ALERT well if he does flip red there's no way I'm mafia. If he's somehow going to flip green it's back to null/whatever you've got me on based on my thread presence (should be pretty obvious townie) I guess but I'm quite confident. whatever. I most likely nailed mafia 2 hours into the game you're welcome that being said Laya, VE (sadly), and I myself are all pretty much confirmed town, dr.H as well though not as much (from a objective point of view ignoring everything else because of timestamps, if you add everything else he probably looks better than the 3 of us). So protecting anyone in that list sounds good to me. After the bus the next brilliant bit of analysis (grush although he provides absolutely no reasoning for it) is that we should shoot a random vet just cause mafia probably has a vet on their team. Also the way he jumped all over MilkSuckler at the beginning of the thread is laughable. Look how he left the Prom lynch completely alone. He started it and everyone else did all the work pressuring Prom and Prom never responded to it. The really scummy thing that Prom did happened many many hours after Toades original accusation (I hesitate to call it a case simply by formatting). In it, Prom avoids attacking Toades or any of his accusers instead pointing a random finger at JJ before signing out. | ||
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also why would in his mind that confirm any of us? has he never heard of a bus before or is he trying to deliberately avoid that kind of thinking altogether | ||
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On February 26 2013 08:57 Toadesstern wrote: No bodyguards means I'm not going to run for mayor :3 I more or less agreed with this sentiment from the beginning of the game but it's actually quite curious. As town, if you're playing very well you're just as much of a target whether you're mayor or not. From a scum perspective, the extra attention from mayor is unhelpful and it might be hard to explain why you survive multiple nights as the mayor. The bodyguards mean no protection from night investigations or vigilante hits. This is a minor + for Toades leaning scum, but on its own it isn't enough to really classify him as scum. what better way to push his lynch and pardoner plan then to run for mayor anyway? nothings really adding up for me here | ||
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can we talk about what I just posted on Toadesstern or maybe anyone has an alternative case they want to push? I have a bit more to add but I'm gonna run to the store real quick | ||
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The fact that he didn't even consider the fact that it could have been a bus is odd. Toades is logical. If he was town, of course he would credit himself but why would this confirm me or layabout or visceraeyes? If Toadesstern really thinks mafia would never attack their own player or let them be lynched then he is sorely mistaken and I can't honestly believe he would ignore the possibility so starkly unless he was deliberately trying to avoid bringing it up. | ||
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Toades complete 180 in attitude and productivity, content to sit on his laurels of his first accusation implies some kind of future knowledge. No way any competent scumhunter would be that confident on a first read going into Day 1 especially considering the most convincing thing about Prom being scum didn't happen until several hours after Toades went after him. | ||
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On March 01 2013 11:40 geript wrote: Since you're here DrH... I brought up 2 posts Toad made twice regarding eliminating the pardoner role... Can you comment on them please. Not your posts but I did think that through (I'm leaving in a minute), he admitted that he considered the plan pregame and determined it was bad but felt it was important enough to discuss at length anyway. He ignores it for the rest of the game until the last few hours then pushes for it. It is a pro-town idea in theory but it would just be another reason for him to credit himself as the best townie of all time, I don't think it's consequential at all. But if I personally decided a plan of mine was shitty (and I've had several) I wouldn't even bring it up, it would be a less productive discussion that talking about who I think is scum and I can't believe that Toades would just stop at Prom. No one else did, but he calls them the sheep? Heh. | ||
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On March 01 2013 10:42 Aquanim wrote: DoctorH, you're pointing out a lot of odd things in Toad's play but you haven't actually said you think he's scum. Are you waiting for someone else to do it for you? Or do you have reservations about Toadscum? I had a longer case that was very clear about that which I accidentally deleted. Yes, I am fairly convinced that Toades is scum and that VE was hit by mafia to avoid him being pushed on Day 2. | ||
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Toad before lynch - Layabout/VE don't get any town cred for supporting the Prom lynch because they just sheeped me Toad after lynch - Layabout/VE/DrH are all confirmed town because they supported the Prom lynch | ||
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On March 01 2013 12:23 Promethelax wrote: late GG to all, sorry for my shoddy play with special apologies to my team. Best of luck! This warrants a warning imo. Your exit post could be taken to imply you weren't intentionally bussed. Under no circumstance should a dead player be allowed to say anything that might influence a game. | ||
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On March 01 2013 11:48 geript wrote: Lets assume for a second that this is the case, does that give anymore suspicion to people who followed me into trying to get Prome elected pardoner thus forcing VE's hand in the selection process. No, it is in essence a protown plan. The fact that he did it is unsuspicious, but the way he presented it is the problem for me. | ||
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If you are a town dayvig in this game you MUST shoot Chezinu right now. I am not inclined to believe Chezinu is the scum dayvig because the scumteam would see this logic coming. There is no sense in shooting Milkman, a player scum has no reason to be afraid of. If you instead prefer to claim tonight, we will lynch you and set town night KP on Chezinu. It is a 1:1 trade. If there is no claim or shot, we can assume Chezinu is in fact the town dayvig so leaping onto him now is beside the point. There is a chance to actually confirm his alignment or get a 50/50 chance with it so I would like to move forward with my points on Toadesstern. Hold your horses BH, this is an easy resolution. This is a semi-open setup but scum would never take the chance of using the dayvig power this early when there is a chance of a counterclaim. I refuse to believe scum would be that reckless after losing Day 1. | ||
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My question - is how on earth could anyone be so sure by hour 2 about Prom that they were ready to claim the "most useful townie award" that early in the game with absolute confidence that the flip would confirm them as town? The RNG discussion thing was bad but it was really just enough to pressure Prom on, it was everything he did after that that led me to believe he was for sure scum. I think the only reason Toades was that confident so early is NOT clairvoyance but it is prior knowledge of his alignment AKA THEY ARE TEAMMATES | ||
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I will wait for a counterclaim to make any further decision regarding Chezinu's alignment because we have a rare chance at actually getting an objective confirmation in this game. Any discussion prior to that will be unproductive I think. | ||
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On March 01 2013 12:37 grush57 wrote: ##Shoot: Chezinu ##Vote: Toadesstern These 2 are scum... You're a real dayvig? I hope so. Because the only other reason I could think of for a scum chezinu to shoot would be to distract from the Toadesstern case  | ||
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